View Full Version : Proof the German servers (and possibly others) HAVE used an exploit in EOTW
So BB, you shut our threads down and your mods made posts that implied that we're all paranoid and bitter about the state of the EOTW leaderboard. But here is a post from the German forums that proves they've been using an exploit, and they admit it.
http://forum.diesiedleronline.de/threads/82626-Feedback-Weltuntergangsevent?p=722704&viewfull=1#post722704
For those of you who don't speak German, basically they've been cancelling the adventure after the first sub-quest, and this has been counting towards their total. Which is probably why they're streets ahead of the rest of us.
We pointed out to BB not long after the event started that this was a glitch and it was being exploited, but they shut all talk down. I said in G-4 that if people were cheating it would all come out somehow. Either BB would have to admit it (I still believe in Christmas miracles) or the perpetrators would start bragging about it. And here we are.
This event was a sham from the get go, with young, low level servers pitted against old, high level servers. Even if it glitch-free, some of us never stood a chance.
I don't think ANYONE should get a reward from this. Just scrap the event and move on. It's the only way for it to be fair. If you give prizes to everyone you're still rewarding the cheats.
And before this thread gets closed down, perhaps someone from BB or a mod can explain exactly what has been done to prove
no such exploit exists
Well, maybe an indication. I doubt anyone can prove anything though except BB themselves.
There is no public info how many adventures have been counted per server or any other base stat used in calculating the progression percentages.
However- if many people on the server are admitting to using said tactic and that server is going up the rankings faster- there will be a clear case of smkoke and hence likelyhood of a fire aka a working exploit
The exploit will be worth a fair few euros to each person on the server as the one getting first to 100%, highest ranking and to 200% (which looks to be german 06 server atm for all 3 prizes) being 1250 gems, 3 x nords 2 x pirate residence, 2 silo, 2 watermills 10 buffs and a gold trophee and some minor goodies
But it is time for BB to come with some reaction imo which goes a bit further than the standard replies
this made me so disappointed when I read it...
It's like the parrot bug debacle all over again. - and that debacle caused a few of us to have trust issues with corporate BlueByte.
The Moderators can only work from the guidelines that have been set for them, and I actually think they do a very good job in what is sometimes very difficult situations.
However - BlueByte could have done a lot more here. Issues were raised last week with BB_Dantesama and he investigated and came back with an answer on the forum.
I decided to accept that answer. However, when I then see the contents of the German forums - It makes me think again... I do not trust the answer, and it has nothing to do with BB_Dantesama. It has to do withe the way BlueBute has behaved previously. Trust has to be earned.
I applaud BB for coming up with an event, but at the moment the whole thing leaves a rather sour taste in my mouth.
Surely BB have the capability to see who fully completed the adventure, even if it's only by the time taken?
Unless they're saying it's not a glitch because it's acceptable to do it this way, in which case they should have come out and said that to all the servers, instead of letting others gain an unfair advantage.
Surely BB have the capability to see who fully completed the adventure, even if it's only by the time taken?
Unless they're saying it's not a glitch because it's acceptable to do it this way, in which case they should have come out and said that to all the servers, instead of letting others gain an unfair advantage.
Your premise is still that it works- Which is not proven. It might be likely but that is the firmest the accusations can get atm. And the only ones that can really look into it and come with an answer is BB- who now have the additional issues of distrust to deal with
So the biggest losers are actually the people donating goods for the others to do the adventure as it should've been done! The fair way requires the whole server population to work as a team, lower levels supporting the higher but that way we'll get nowhere. Those who never gave any resources away or sold Eotw for high prices are the only ones to benefit on our server. This just feels wrong. :(
Something else I just found out is that BB made an official announcement on the German front page about how only full adventures will count, but didn't make the same announcement to the other 20-odd non-German servers. And then people wonder why others get so paranoid!
If this is the case, is there going to be a full investigation into each servers completed adventures before prizes are awarded?
this made me so disappointed when I read it...
It's like the parrot bug debacle all over again. - and that debacle caused a few of us to have trust issues with corporate BlueByte.
The Moderators can only work from the guidelines that have been set for them, and I actually think they do a very good job in what is sometimes very difficult situations.
However - BlueByte could have done a lot more here. Issues were raised last week with BB_Dantesama and he investigated and came back with an answer on the forum.
I decided to accept that answer. However, when I then see the contents of the German forums - It makes me think again... I do not trust the answer, and it has nothing to do with BB_Dantesama. It has to do withe the way BlueBute has behaved previously. Trust has to be earned.
I applaud BB for coming up with an event, but at the moment the whole thing leaves a rather sour taste in my mouth.
I agree
1) Previous times denials and fixes have made the word of BB not always to be taken at face value
2) The discrepancies between servers is huge and needs to be analyzed and explained. If this means giving some more data like percentage of active players that completed 1 or more adventures and some analysis of differences between servers. Issues raised by players focus on a few things:
a) Tradability of adventures and discrepancies between servers in this
b) The counting bug after first sub quest pops up
c) Maturity of server population and impact in ability to finish the adventure (there is no low lvl version to accomodate lack of certain troops)
d) The availability of 220 general
e) Stability of population (meaning some servers are locked for new players and hence have a much stabler population of active players over time, others are open and will have a more fluctuating population of active players
f) last but probably most important: Definition of active players - why this is a far definition and how this is impacting statistics (1 login of a 26+ in the previous 30 days triggers the active flag- how many of these actives have not logged in during event at all and basically were counted wrongly in the statistics)
And yes- this event really exited me when i read about it- even though i would lose a lot of gold doing it as i am sacrificing troops and materials to complete an adventure with underwhelming loots and worthless xp (at lvl 50) so the benefit is not in any comparison to the rewards for the adventure itself in any way- especially considering i had to buy adventures at the beginning @ 60 mf as they weren't tradable and i ran out of the explorer found ones fairly fast (running 3 to 4 adventures a day depletes them fast) To my surprise i couldnt equate the efforts i saw on server and number of completed adventures announced in G-4 with the statistics that showed up on the website- unless BB was either not registering all wins or the number of actives used to calculate the percentages was hugely inflated
Maybe one way for BB to show that the competition was fair and there were too many slackers is to post the highest % of adventures completed per server as 100% and all other servers ranked behind it in a % based on this highest percentage. If that gives a similar outcome at least we know it is not the number of actives (still has the counting of incompleted adventures as posted on german forums to solve as a potential issue/cheat)
If it dosn't work then surley they would be miles behind from wasting their time..
On our BF3 Teamspeak 2 germans have said all week they are doing the above method, infact there whole guild was demanding everyone did it, as not completing the 'whole quest' meant no heavy losses, so even low level players could acheive a score.
Let us keep bashing adventures and hope BB gives a reaction. The stats isnt updated and BB surely will understand this exploit is used,making pp unmotivated wich gives extra unfair odds. The idea was great high level players kicked into action again,g4 made server more fun. Its just sad for BB their idea is ...... up by obvious some german players and who knows more.
I just hope proper actions will be taken no innocent players will be punished and i know its wishfull hoping Bb learns.
I just fear the scammers wont be punished and the fair players wich clearly had odds and later motivation against them will pay the price and Bb will act like no exploit was used.
I really really hope this is not the situation and at the very least we should recieve a full report into this not just a ( no you are wrong response )
Exploit or not, somethings wrong when one server takes such a strong lead from the start (followed by to other older servers)
also only German and Polish servers are in the top 15, non of the difrent nations servers pass the 100%
we don't have any information on how populated are servers here in TSO, but it can't be possible 2-3 realms can complete the objectives easily fast and other servers (majority) are left behind by a mile. Definately somethings up, would be nice to see official statement either way.
MasterJohn2
17.12.12, 12:45
If this is no fixed myself and most players will leave.
Cheating is wrong and they should be punished for it, can clearly see who is cheating and who is not.
ConteDracula
17.12.12, 12:46
so why BB no adjourn stat? if old players are more strong and do more adventure , why german server 1 no is first on all ? for german server 6.... from 100% at 150% in a day. is a fact.
all clues bring in in same direction....
Elementary dr. Watson
If you were BB, what would you do to fix this? I imagine they don't actually have granular enough detail to see who has and hasn't done 100% (if this actually exists of course). So you can't just punish the "cheaters"
Start it again, have everyone who put everything in have their efforts wiped out?
Give everyone the 200% reward? So those who tried less get it anyway?
Give everyone 100%? So the servers who managed to break 150% get less?
Be tricky to be in their shoes right now.
If that's true then i'd like to know how they've fully completed so many (Forgot to post the one I was replying ot - Icegirls comment that BB posted on the German forum that only completed adventures will count)
If you were BB, what would you do to fix this? ... Be tricky to be in their shoes right now.
Firstly, an apology would be nice.
Secondly, a forum poll asking all players of all servers to vote on how to proceed from here might restore some faith amongst players.
Suggested options :
a) Restore servers back to the point where we were before the event started
b) Give everyone 200%
c) Cancel the event and play Scrooge
Nashius-Maximus
17.12.12, 13:46
While it's possible that there's some dodge that has allowed older more populated servers (those not in beta too) to leap ahead i just think it's so much more likely that the event was just skewed in their favour from the start.
I know there was some statement about balancing going on with the results but never actually defining what the balancing system was... and, if as it seem, the balancing actually makes no difference when the adventure prohibits lower level players and big surprise when the newest servers are at the bottom.. the mid-aged ones in the middle and the original ones at the top.
All in all it was an ok idea, poorly implemented, created mistrust and unhappiness in the players who could take part and disappointment in those who can't due to level and crappy rewards.
I also love how the leaderboard actually backfired.. it was supposed to help and encourage participation.. instead once we saw how far behind we were in the first 24 hours a lot of people just gave up and after a few days those left worked out how unlikely we were to even reach 100% it declined even more.
If you were BB, what would you do to fix this? I imagine they don't actually have granular enough detail to see who has and hasn't done 100% (if this actually exists of course). So you can't just punish the "cheaters"
Start it again, have everyone who put everything in have their efforts wiped out?
Give everyone the 200% reward? So those who tried less get it anyway?
Give everyone 100%? So the servers who managed to break 150% get less?
Be tricky to be in their shoes right now.
I would just want an answer not interested in the rewards! Being open and honest goes a long way to gain respect, at the moment do we really trust them, people who answer with one line responses usually are hiding something, a simple no that is not the case is in most cases pretty lame.
Stamping your feet to get attention will do us no good, but requesting a proper response may ... hopefully give us some answers.
Saying that I still think the Rankings would not have changed too much
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This was posted just now in the German server, looks like BB are once again saying you need to 100% it to complete it.
Just now is 3 days late and 3 days they been bad boys. but not all have done the bad but those that have have contributed to there percent without it being taken off
or adjusted. They also agree its unfair for newer servers with lower level players giving the newer servers less chance.
Reading the rules the ones saying the cheat on german servers should have be banned for speaking oof they way to do it
but are they i dont think so
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This was posted just now in the German server, looks like BB are once again saying you need to 100% it to complete it.
This is the type of reply we wanted from BB_Ros I am more than happy wih that reply thanks, pity it is on the German Forums
its latin america...
in germany it is still rankings fair and balanced calculated according to specific criteria. " (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=forum.diesiedleronline.de%2Fthreads%2F83434-Absolute-Zahlen-zum-Weltuntergangsevent%2Fpage24) (BB_Pandur)
HogarHorrible
17.12.12, 15:49
An interesting observation ..... no response from BlueByte on ANY of these threads about the EotW adventure scoring !!! ... THAT SAYS IT ALL !!! Just "Light the touchpaper and run ....! ". Typical !
An interesting observation ..... no response from BlueByte on ANY of these threads about the EotW adventure scoring !!! ... THAT SAYS IT ALL !!! Just "Light the touchpaper and run ....! ". Typical !
because he replied on a different topic ?
Hey guys,
I have gathered of all your feedback, it has been sent to the right people.
I do understand how you guys feel and I have asked for a better explanation.
I'm awaiting more information. I will keep you informed as soon as I know.
Best
BB_Dantesama
BB_Dantesama
17.12.12, 16:28
Hey guys,
I did not want to sound like Captain Obvious but I'll throw in my two cents on what's going right now.
It is pretty obvious that some servers (german mainly) had an advantage due to the fact that they have a lot more higher level players (older server).
The lack of precision in numbers and the lack of infomation on the calculation process have been an issue indeed, I think this has caused confusion on your objectives for the adventure, this would also explain the conspiracy theories, the cheat rumours, trust issues...
We will provide more details next time.
So yes, the stat calculation is flawed, It's actually far from being perfect. However, NO, cheats do not exist for this contest.
I will try and provide more details on the calculation process and how cancelling a quest was DETRIMENTAL to the Contest more than anything else.
Remember, this is BB's first attempt in organising a little competition between servers. Your feedback is crucial and things will be different next time round.
I actually think this has been a positive event, (beyond the obvious faults) it has brought people together and united them. This has also giving you an idea/hint on how your server might react facing future PVP events.
I will forward any information I have as soon as I have any.
Best
BB_Dantesama
Dialecticus
17.12.12, 17:05
I would like an answer to the following question: what does 100% actually mean? How is it possible that half of the servers cannot reach even this 100% mark in ten days?
I would like this investigation to provide the following data: breakdown of levels for each server (number of players with each level), number of players and number of active players for each server (per the definition of "active" that you used for this adventure), and in line with this topic shortest duration of completed adventure for each server.
Also, an explanation for "Sandycove/Newfoundland mystery". AFAIK Newfoundland is older than Sandycove, so it should have more high level players. The explanation of "older servers being advantageous" does not apply to this case, so what's the explanation?
Tanthalasa
17.12.12, 17:07
Maybe it is just me... but if the calculation is flawed, doesn't that mean,there actual will be loopholes, if you find a way to use them, then you would raise quickly. Well I just find it a little strange, that they manage to do the quickly raise, so far, I only have the idea, that the calculation might include low level players,who can't go on the adventure yet, and if that is true, that is truely a flaw.
Well all rumours start with a reason, and I think it is a bit weird, that some servers just manage to take a leap on almost 20 percent point down to the second, and just keep it that way. I have been making the adventure some times, and not really looking like it making any difference to the server, and even though, I hear people been a lot more active than me, so makes it strange, since our server is that far behind. I also wonder, what those mini quest along the adventure does, since you from time to time, receive something for solving them, and other times, you don't, not make lot of sense to me.
HogarHorrible
17.12.12, 17:18
Having just read the very first message in this thread i have a message for "edit". In the immortal words of Sir Alan Sugar .... "You're Fired !". The claim that "No such exploit exists" is clearly misleading.
EDIT DANTESAMA: Please avoid blaming and shaming, it's counterproductive HogarHorrible, after investigation, BB concluded there was no exploit. If you wish to blame someone, then blame me, send me a private message.
As mentioned previously, I might be able to come up with more information in the near future.
Bear with me
Thx for letting me spend alot of time trying to help to get to atleast 100% but as i see it after have done 20+ its just not enough, no matter how old the german server is and how many active they have its just not a fair contest. when we cant even get to 100% with so many working so hard on g-4 to keep the adv killing running.
I think i will spend the next few day to see if im going to keep playing this game using rl money or go back to basic and do it with out spending a cent on it.
one more thing they say the active count goes 1 month back are you kidding me, the guild im in there are 24 in total 18 to 20 only log in 1 time every 7 day and dont do anything at all how can they count as active, i even made sure the guild made atleast 1 adv pr member to be sure the guild did not pull the % down.
So thx to all the helpfull players on Newfoundland sorry all youre hard work just was not enough and all the ress you donatet to keep us trying.
Regards
Jebpers not so happy about this game any more. :(
HogarHorrible
17.12.12, 17:24
I found Dantesama's post AFTER my entry, so apologies for not spotting it earlier. I am supporting his approach to this ! It's just sad that it has taken so long for someone to "Grasp the nettle" ! and some at BB have been carelessly dismissing earlier concerns as "winges" from the losers .... this issue has been about since DAY 2 !
EDIT DANTESAMA: Noted, thanks HogarHorrible.
Hey guys,
I did not want to sound like Captain Obvious but I'll throw in my two cents on what's going right now.
It is pretty obvious that some servers (german mainly) had an advantage due to the fact that they have a lot more higher level players (older server).
The lack of precision in numbers and the lack of infomation on the calculation process have been an issue indeed, I think this has caused confusion on your objectives for the adventure, this would also explain the conspiracy theories, the cheat rumours, trust issues...
We will provide more details next time.
So yes, the stat calculation is flawed, It's actually far from being perfect. However, NO, cheats do not exist for this contest.
I will try and provide more details on the calculation process and how cancelling a quest was DETRIMENTAL to the Contest more than anything else.
Remember, this is BB's first attempt in organising a little competition between servers. Your feedback is crucial and things will be different next time round.
I actually think this has been a positive event, (beyond the obvious faults) it has brought people together and united them. This has also giving you an idea/hint on how your server might react facing future PVP events.
I will forward any information I have as soon as I have any.
Best
BB_Dantesama
This is all many of us ask for an open and frank explanation, it goes a long way
Thanks
NelumboWhite
17.12.12, 18:18
To BB-Dantesama
Whilst it may have 'brought people together and united them' - do you not think it has done so in anger and frustration? This is more likely to have a detrimental impact than a positive one.
As to giving a hint as to how our server my react facing future PVP events - this is even more worrying. I don't see how a competition event that pitches servers against servers (and therefore gets lots of people to support others in G4) can be considered similar to PVP in a single server environment unless its guild against guild which says to me - 'don't bother unless you have lots of active and high level players in your guild'.
i had a look at the polish servers and it seems they were doing the same and it has booset their numbers. also, they spotted that some of the servers were loosing percents between the stats updates. maybe one of the ideas there is good though : mass complaints to the support, they might ignore 1 letter but not 1000's of them
They probably over simplified the calculations, an active player could simply be one which has production on their island, this means inactive players who have had their island visited by others would still count as active as all their buildings come alive for a set period of time after the visit, they might not have played for 6 months+ but because people check to see if they have been active recently, it causes them to damage the score for the server.
Ideally the active players counted should only be the ones who have done the adventure at least once. At the same time they should score the completions based on the players level so that low level players contribute more due to the higher difficulty for them, the score contribution per player would decrease as you get soldiers/xbows/elites/cannons.
There are lots of German servers and any new players are likely to be distributed more, they will be far less effected by new players who only stay for a couple of days before they stop playing.
a great read... i was of the understanding that the German servers could trade the adv from day one and that all the adv were passed up to higher ranking players... to be fair, that might just be hogwash, but something is certainly up when you see a 40% jump in one day on a server when other servers can't gain 5% in 3 days..
the mathematics don't make sense, unless every member of a server is completing 10 to 15 adventures a day... there must have been a shortcut regardless of denials of such IMHO, even if the coders haven't been able to realise where it all went wrong yet... sure this matter will get cleared up by BB eventually, but might take some time to do it so the blushes reduce...
it's just a game at the end of the day, but if it is indeed the End of The World, it might just be the catastrophe BB needs to put it out of it's misery..
BB_Dantesama: After reading your response to this matter, I have changed my opinion, all I wanted to see was that BB is well aware of the mistakes made in this event, I myself agree with you when you say it was your first event, I don't know of any MMO's that first event was a complete success, this one I will admit, the idea was very well done, but yes the adventure it self and a few other thinks which your aware of was a little bummer but all in all, the event was in good spirit.
I saw people in my Trade channel offer to give goods away for free, adventures where sold for 1 fish and loads of tips and guides where given freely and if that was the goal of the event, the goal was reached.
I hope to see more events in the future which all the feedback that was given taken into consideration, everyone can complain as much as they want, but BB does take our feedback into considerations, the new TO as well as the new quest system I think is a blast and im loving it.
So thanks for event, glad to see that BB is indeed out there and listening, hope to see some cool events in future,
the mathematics don't make sense, unless every member of a server is completing 10 to 15 adventures a day... there must have been a shortcut regardless of denials of such IMHO
The maths do make sense without a cheat - it's all down to the high-level players. Here's a quick example to show how big a difference it could make - none of these are BB figures, just ones I've made up as an example:
Server A - 1,000 active players - 750 above level 40, 150 level 30-40, 100 below level 30.
Server B - 1,000 active players - 400 above level 40, 400 level 30-40, 200 below level 30.
Above level 40 complete 5 adventures. Level 30-40 complete 2 adventures. Below level 30 complete 0 adventures.
Server A = 750x5 + 150x2 + 100x0 = 4,050 = 405%
Server B = 400x5 + 400x2 + 200x0 = 2,800 = 280%
Massive differences in % completed can be shown simply because of the number of high-level players.
BB have still messed up - and in a way that could and should have been avoided - but the differences in servers can be explained by the experience level of the players alone.
JoyDeAvayana
17.12.12, 20:44
I bought gems whit 25€ for this even't, so I can have second vet and more scouts. I feel robbed, cos I know we have done a great job together and I would have not bought those whit out the need for End adves - wicht we could not even trade first. Thank's Dantesama for answearing, but the good that this event gave us players is not as much as it gave us disstrust and agression towards BB.
This all stinks and as for me, one thing is sure: BB is losing my trust is this happens to be true. And they will lose even more of it if the truth will come out from not their mouths.
I can't even imagine why we should trust that there hasn't been cheating. We can read the numbers.
How did they explain Poland 03 Server?
13/12/2012 Afternoon 39,3%
14/12/2012 Morning 50,3%
14/12/2012 Afternoon 49,2%
They didn't. That's the point, they are obviously not telling us what's going on!
They didn't. That's the point, they are obviously not telling us what's going on!
Oh, i thought they did. Since i saw many post thanking BB Dante.
Dear BB,
I'm reacting to make you aware of the disappointment in the guild I'm in. We were trying to do our best to do our part in the Maya-event. In the case events didn't go correctly (for one reason or another) we hope BB takes it's responsability. That could go either way: cancel the event and compensate (their was a poor reward/loss ratio in the adventure) or reward everybody.
We have hardly the means to check what's happening in the background. Can we trust you to take this step?
PS Our strength as players lies in our numbers. Make BB aware that you care about the outcome of their investigation.
dear bb
i am the leader of lowlands
an my guild is very dissapointed
and so am i
I fully agree !!
Dear BB,
I'm reacting to make you aware of the disappointment in the guild I'm in. We were trying to do our best to do our part in the Maya-event. In the case events didn't go correctly (for one reason or another) we hope BB takes it's responsability. That could go either way: cancel the event and compensate (their was a poor reward/loss ratio in the adventure) or reward everybody.
We have hardly the means to check what's happening in the background. Can we trust you to take this step?
PS Our strength as players lies in our numbers. Make BB aware that you care about the outcome of their investigation.
ArjanWeijts
17.12.12, 23:25
I've pretty much deleted all the EOTW adventures I found after doing the first 1. It seemed rather pointless after looking at the rankings a few days into the event with the adventure itself wasting a whole evening of time and providing useless loot. If they cheated just scrap the event and let us be done with it. Maybe you could spend some time creating decent new adventures with fair enough rewards. Recolored graphics remind me of World of Warcraft and it's recoloring of old models...
Dear BB
I'm in a guild where there are more low level players than high level ones, 30 members, only 9 over level 40. We are not a "gaming guild", we are a chatty, active, fun and social guild that spend more time typing than anything else. But we have done almost 90 eotw adventures put together, and we are still at it. The low levels have helped the high levels with resources and adventures, and if this has been all for a bit of xp and some lousy loot for a few of us, well, then you can most likely kiss our involvement in future events good bye, because it's not fair, and it's not worth it.
Dear BB.
Dear BB,
I'm reacting to make you aware of the disappointment in the guild I'm in. We were trying to do our best to do our part in the Maya-event. In the case events didn't go correctly (for one reason or another) we hope BB takes it's responsability. That could go either way: cancel the event and compensate (their was a poor reward/loss ratio in the adventure) or reward everybody.
We have hardly the means to check what's happening in the background. Can we trust you to take this step?
PS Our strength as players lies in our numbers. Make BB aware that you care about the outcome of their investigation.
Agree with the others fully agree and hope that this good is sought.
rokkenjager
18.12.12, 00:12
unfortunately I have the EOTW half-way cancelled, even I had build more troops than still i coudnt finish the EOTW in time.
for people who just start this game you cant imagine that they finish the EOTW with only recruits or bowmen, after I hear what you get when you finish this EOTW, it seems to me that it more cost than what you get, so this EOTW is out of balance.
maybe fun for experienced players lvl 40 and higher but not for the players beneath that level, its a hell to play and im a lvl 38 player.
I am surprised and confused if I may believe the the numbers/ percentages from al servers if they are correct.
what i understood of all this..??
blah,blah,blah... far away from a perfect job,blah,blah,blah...good luck next time...
till then,say congratz to germans,see u around...
Warlock-UK
18.12.12, 02:26
my guild and I worked hard, but got no where. Gutted and we believe the cheat, glitch or wotever you want to call it was there at some point. I would like to know how a guide for the adventure was released by a player from the top german server on the friday before the event went live, hhmm strange that. Anyway big fail, well done all who tried
Wenn BB comes with mistakes and obviuos faults wich dont benefit BB profits,dosnt irritate players???
I actually think this has been a positive event, (beyond the obvious faults) it has brought people together and united them. This has also giving you an idea/hint on how your server might react facing future PVP events.
Yes some parts are great, less great is stats while some servers struggle gain 0,5% and other make huge% jumps (nah no exploit excist)
No effort is done to made this a clear,fair event wich makes me belive its been build to be shady as no stats equals no proper choice was given to stop early as goals wasnt achievable. Fc Barcelona vs 5year old soccerteam yea thats no fault thats foolishness or worse planned.
Bb in end is the only winner assume many new vetgens and nobels are bought
Gratz to Germans if they used exploit great if not even better,pity for them BB made their win fair or unfair questionable, wich is also due too their own forum thread,well never know as BB will never admitt such and tbh i stopped caring.
Fool as iam still doing the adventure BB made it impossible for us gain a fair chance though giving up is no option.
Futere events? Then BB assume players like beeing fooled
Don't forget the actual villains here are those that used the exploit, I'm sure BB tried their best to stop this kind of thing. I'm still not 100% sure though, I mean it is possible the Germans think they are pulling an exploit but are not.. That said if it didn't work the percentage would be sub average.. so..
Dialecticus
18.12.12, 08:34
what i understood of all this..??
blah,blah,blah... far away from a perfect job,blah,blah,blah...good luck next time...
till then,say congratz to germans,see u around...
But there will not be a next time if BB does not clean this mess. As of now the players would like to know how did it come to this mess (malice or stupidity), and how will it be cleaned up, and BB is at the position that there was no mess in the first place. Without more details I predict a rift between the two.
Dear BB,
I'm reacting to make you aware of the disappointment in the guild I'm in. We were trying to do our best to do our part in the Maya-event. In the case events didn't go correctly (for one reason or another) we hope BB takes it's responsability. That could go either way: cancel the event and compensate (their was a poor reward/loss ratio in the adventure) or reward everybody.
We have hardly the means to check what's happening in the background. Can we trust you to take this step?
PS Our strength as players lies in our numbers. Make BB aware that you care about the outcome of their investigation.
I totally agree. The idea of BB was very good, we all worked as a team together but when you here there's been cheating.... doesn't feel right.
Hope BB will come with an answer, compensate for the losses and in the futher be open towards us, the players.
Cheat or no Cheat?
BB should have put an lower limit to the players lvl that are counted in statistics.
Every player is able to participate now. Even if they just joined 1 day before Event start. And our server is still open for new players :D
Somehow i don't think they are much help.
So Why not include only lvl35 + in statistics. That would have changed everything.
Lower lvl-s could still help by finding adventures and some resources, but that is only to put sever and guilds closer together.
Without saying reward should include all active players, so no lvl limit here.
By everything I see here and in the german's forum,it is clear that some servers did use an exploit.I do understand that BB can't just say it or you couldn't give the rewards to the servers that are on top of the rankings and that would cause even further problems.However this event it is far too unfair for the most of the servers and no one can deny that.
The calculation of the active players it is just unacceptable,for example someone who did log in the 4 weeks before the event start,even just one single time,you count as an active and that it is a very big mistake,you should look at active player some one that did log on at least 80% of the days in the 2 weeks before the event.As everyone can see older servers have less of that problem,with time those who don't play often just go away from the game...
At the end reading all this and your posts BB_Dantesama it sounds once again that you don't make very much sense as for example for the previous guild quests that everyone saw it was just too wrong,but you were trying to say they were good and playable,then BB admitted they weren't and change all that to very different and much better ones.
I Agree with Kuchuk and Drevil.
Like this it's NOT fair and NO fun!
Dear BB,
I'm reacting to make you aware of the disappointment in the guild I'm in. We were trying to do our best to do our part in the Maya-event. In the case events didn't go correctly (for one reason or another) we hope BB takes it's responsability. That could go either way: cancel the event and compensate (their was a poor reward/loss ratio in the adventure) or reward everybody.
We have hardly the means to check what's happening in the background. Can we trust you to take this step?
PS Our strength as players lies in our numbers. Make BB aware that you care about the outcome of their investigation.
By everything I see here and in the german's forum,it is clear that some servers did use an exploit.I do understand that BB can't just say it or you couldn't give the rewards to the servers that are on top of the rankings and that would cause even further problems.However this event it is far too unfair for the most of the servers and no one can deny that.
The calculation of the active players it is just unacceptable,for example someone who did log in the 4 weeks before the event start,even just one single time,you count as an active and that it is a very big mistake,you should look at active player some one that did log on at least 80% of the days in the 2 weeks before the event.As everyone can see older servers have less of that problem,with time those who don't play often just go away from the game...
At the end reading all this and your posts BB_Dantesama it sounds once again that you don't make very much sense as for example for the previous guild quests that everyone saw it was just too wrong,but you were trying to say they were good and playable,then BB admitted they weren't and change all that to very different and much better ones.
By everything I see here and in the german's forum,it is clear that some servers did use an exploit.I do understand that BB can't just say it or you couldn't give the rewards to the servers that are on top of the rankings and that would cause even further problems.However this event it is far too unfair for the most of the servers and no one can deny that.
The calculation of the active players it is just unacceptable,for example someone who did log in the 4 weeks before the event start,even just one single time,you count as an active and that it is a very big mistake,you should look at active player some one that did log on at least 80% of the days in the 2 weeks before the event.As everyone can see older servers have less of that problem,with time those who don't play often just go away from the game...
At the end reading all this and your posts BB_Dantesama it sounds once again that you don't make very much sense as for example for the previous guild quests that everyone saw it was just too wrong,but you were trying to say they were good and playable,then BB admitted they weren't and change all that to very different and much better ones.
What about the fact that we (the players) have no access to the any numbers? Only BB has access, only they can say if this exploit is true or not.
I tried to read this topic to have a clear picture, but nobody seems to mention this little fact :(
This whole situation is VERY confusing :|
Wenn BB comes with mistakes and obviuos faults wich dont benefit BB profits,dosnt irritate players???
I actually think this has been a positive event, (beyond the obvious faults) it has brought people together and united them. This has also giving you an idea/hint on how your server might react facing future PVP events.
You have a point there, I have made a list of people I will not ever trust when were going to PVP, these hustlers tried to make a fortune out of the ones that played EotW.
On another note, if this is not cleared good enough, it will be the last day ive been here and with me several others as well, shame of the real cash ive put into it though but not worthy to play any longer as well.
You have a point there, I have made a list of people I will not ever trust when were going to PVP, these hustlers tried to make a fortune out of the ones that played EotW.
On another note, if this is not cleared good enough, it will be the last day ive been here and with me several others as well, shame of the real cash ive put into it though but not worthy to play any longer as well.
This is how I feel. I don't want to play a game where the developers don't care about the players. We're your bread and your butter, and you must treat us with more respect, not brush all this under the carpet.
Some people, including Sinister-King, have read Dant's message as 'there will be a full investigation and we will let you know the results'. I read it as 'yes, we screwed up and some of you never had a chance but we'll do better next time'. Next time is not good enough, you must make amends for the mistake you made now. Not by giving us all fabulous prizes, but by explaining how you allowed this to happen in the first place. We need to hear your voice BB, and we need you to hear ours too.
They are obviously cheating, in just 24-48 hours they had gone from 100% to 207%. And all the german servers are jumping up ahead. I think the rward should be given to the servers who haven't cheated.
Can somebody PLEASE explain me how they cheated/exploited if nobody knows the numbers (except bb)? I find no logic in this! :(
But there will not be a next time if BB does not clean this mess. As of now the players would like to know how did it come to this mess (malice or stupidity), and how will it be cleaned up, and BB is at the position that there was no mess in the first place. Without more details I predict a rift between the two.
I agree. IF there will be a an event such like this one in the future i would think twice to put any effort in it.
10 eotw for me and we are at 63% on my server.
Perhaps ppl just dropped off after the first two days when they saw all servers from Poland and Germany fly away.
In football terms we would be scotland or wales in the World Cup. We now know in events like this one: Don´t bother!
Unless there is a mayor change... somewhere... don´t know where since i just see the board day in day out.
Just like to add one thing!
The new players of this game are the ones most likely to spend money on it. Since they lack all of the fine prices we old ones allready have saved up to in for example previous events or even with cash. We don´t really need to spend so much on the game, we allready did.
BUT!
Will we recommend this game to anyone? will we?
Congratulations EU02 for biggest leap in 1 day ( afternoon score -> morning score ) 7.8 up. This proves that we are still fighting.
Not as good as others like G06 38,1 or G05 34,9 or P01 32,9 or G04 34,4 or all others, except Italians ( WE beat them Yeah ).
I would play on German server but i don't think it is fun server. All they do is EotW.
I think then every server should be given the same presents for winning. Otherwise a lot of players will lose hope of winning next time there is an event.And then there will be no more competition. It's great fun and we are all doing out very best to win, but it has to be fair!
Hey guys,
I did not want to sound like Captain Obvious but I'll throw in my two cents on what's going right now.
It is pretty obvious that some servers (german mainly) had an advantage due to the fact that they have a lot more higher level players (older server).
The lack of precision in numbers and the lack of infomation on the calculation process have been an issue indeed, I think this has caused confusion on your objectives for the adventure, this would also explain the conspiracy theories, the cheat rumours, trust issues...
We will provide more details next time.
So yes, the stat calculation is flawed, It's actually far from being perfect. However, NO, cheats do not exist for this contest.
I will try and provide more details on the calculation process and how cancelling a quest was DETRIMENTAL to the Contest more than anything else.
Remember, this is BB's first attempt in organising a little competition between servers. Your feedback is crucial and things will be different next time round.
I actually think this has been a positive event, (beyond the obvious faults) it has brought people together and united them. This has also giving you an idea/hint on how your server might react facing future PVP events.
I will forward any information I have as soon as I have any.
Best
BB_Dantesama
As soon as it became obvious, that other servers had an advantage, then the event should have been scrapped; I have no wish to spend hours of my time striving for something that will never happen.
Everybody can make mistakes, but that doesn't mean it's OK to let things go this way. BB, admit there where errors, don't try to hide it! It is really too bad this has happened and you guys are making it even worse!
I feel bad for all those who bought gems to participate in this event and for those who sacrificed their troops to give others a great reward.
Why 'others?' Because the reward of the adventure was garbage and the troop loss (especially for lower leveled players) was extremely high.
Not to mention that the rewards in general where bad as well. Only those who where the first to achieve the 100% and those who ended highest (very likely to be the same server) would have something off this event.
This was an good idea, but not sufficiently worked out and developed.
Thejollyone
18.12.12, 14:22
if its flawed, reward all servers who have taken part with the same prizes. At least those of us who have "wasted" time doing the adventures many times, and those who have donated lots of resources get something out of it.
The effort involved has been immense and it would be a shame not to get something for it, if not satisfaction.
Rantarosvo
18.12.12, 16:04
This is just horrible and I feel scammed. What a waste of resources and time when we never actually had a change to get anything.
There is no official news post about this, only forums post which you are lucky to find if you browse around or get direct link. Many people still don't know about this and waste their time for nothing. In-game chat is filled with conspiracy theories and cheat accusations when its obvious and seen from the charts that stuff don't match up.
Some servers have their percentages manually set up between days and no official word about the 2 day trade advantage anywhere except German forums. They admitted it was an advantage and seems Polish server got the 100% first reward too due that.
Horrible, just horrible. Thanks for Dantesama posting some info for us. Now it all depends how will BB event management in Germany react to this as I don't wish to see any more of these events when it's not fair from the beginning.
I've stopped doing the adventure, as have most of my guild. Seems pointless now looking at the score tables. I've only just got the level to complete this adventure without ridiculous losses. I have done 4 of them. How is my server only 20% of the progression those top servers have? We're nowhere near 100%, likely because there are more inactive players or players who don't do adventures or aren't high enough level to do it without crazy losses. At the very least the number for what makes "100%" is not calculated fairly to be balanced between the servers. The older servers with more high level players clearly have a huge advantage
Executor959
18.12.12, 16:45
Apart of all what everyone it is posting here it seems that "maybe?" BB it is thinking of pvp between servers...No,this can't be true,it is ridiculous of any one in good mind think that the majority of the servers can come to a pvp with the germans and if you BB really do this I will have no doubt at,if I have any...,that you are giving great rewards to the germans and only them.
There is no chances at all that most of the servers can stand on a pvp against them.
By the way BB are you giving to the germans the rewards of this event??? If so then it is too bad for you and again you show that we can't trust you.In that case obviously you did this for them!!!
And yes,no matter what excuses you come with,they did exploit it!!!
Just look at near 40% in few hours over night,are you trying to say that the whole server was doing adventures all night long??? No one can believe on that!!!
Dear BB,
I'm reacting to make you aware of the disappointment in the guild I'm in. We were trying to do our best to do our part in the Maya-event. In the case events didn't go correctly (for one reason or another) we hope BB takes it's responsability. That could go either way: cancel the event and compensate (their was a poor reward/loss ratio in the adventure) or reward everybody.
We have hardly the means to check what's happening in the background. Can we trust you to take this step?
PS Our strength as players lies in our numbers. Make BB aware that you care about the outcome of their investigation.
I fully agree with the above
lets be rational - it was the first attempt...
lets see what transpires and what action BB now take....
Talking about unfair -- just before the event started, we had an influx of new players who just popped up - some were silly enough to admit, they also play on other servers......and were they playing eotw??? nope
quite simply , they registered to mess with the ratios - (taking advantage of active rule)
And look at the handicaps we got.
Guild chats kept breaking down, generals and buildings disappeared without trace, and we had to wait for the scheduled maintenance to fix the trading mayan advs bug, whereas there was a hotfix elsewhere a day and a half before to fix it, and to top it all, the end time got brought forward 20 hours earlier than we had been told it would end, but that was only announced at the last minute.
I ended up chained to the keyboard trying to rush through the last 3, so I could keep the promise I made.
And look at the handicaps we got.
Guild chats kept breaking down, generals and buildings disappeared without trace, and we had to wait for the scheduled maintenance to fix the trading mayan advs bug, whereas there was a hotfix elsewhere a day and a half before to fix it, and to top it all, the end time got brought forward 20 hours earlier than we had been told it would end, but that was only announced at the last minute.
I ended up chained to the keyboard trying to rush through the last 3, so I could keep the promise I made.
I agree with you. And if the Germans could trade the adventure from start, they could share them easily and cheep. We had to buy or search them with explorers.
During downtime at the maintenance I was making settlers in PH and soldiers in the barrack. So instead of having them in the morning I had to wait several hours for them to finish. I feel that it has been several problems with this event. Some bigger and some smaller but all very irritating. If the outcome of this event isn't handled correctly by BB then I don't want to have anything to do with the next one. :mad:
so this is how ww3 starts
The only things has proved, is that the Germans were more prepared than we were. There is no proof that they cheated.
A Two year old account would have a more established island with a larger army. They could do twice as many adventures per day than the average player here. It's a simple as that.
fair enough Tierartz, but how does it explain all the bragging about short adventure option on the polish and german servers?
fair enough Tierartz, but how does it explain all the bragging about short adventure option on the polish and german servers?
And BlueByte have already stated that only COMPLETED adventures will be counted
yes BB stated,though the on the forum players bragged it worked,stats showed huge jumps and BB is not trust worthy. If it the exploit excists or not isnt really the problem,problem is BB prooved they cant be trusted nor can they create flawless events or game upgrades. Non or late responding shows BB dosnt care bout feedback,players qwestions etc
So Bb can tell annything it wont be accepted for truth you forgat about parrot exploit,the other events and latest update?
A Two year old account would have a more established island with a larger army. They could do twice as many adventures per day than the average player here. It's a simple as that.
Very tru absolutly right you are though still BB makes a competition where younger server needed to go against those servers wich tells alot bout pro attitude at BB:cool:
result pp on eu servers and other servers are now tired off tso and 'mistake' nr 100000001
cant we get an list wich shows numbers and level of players on each server so we have an chance of knowing if it is an waste of time to be active in an coming event based on wich server you play on ?
MizMoneyPenny
19.12.12, 21:57
I cant say I am stocked at how this whole event went, it was riddled with many issues, and unfair advantages. But at the end guys this is just a game and as a group of servers we did really well!!! We should be proud for getting as far as we did!!!!!!
Plus BB has said all participating servers will receive rewards (does it really matter what it is) I would like to think though that they will consider moving the 100% bar down abit for the younger servers when it comes to handing out the good prizes....... hey dreams are free :)
I find it significant that bb's only contribution to these discussions is to close threads .....
fairest solution...
Reward those players who played it properly....
The whole thing was flawed, and what is this 200%? 100% is the max, you cannot go above 100%
If one server get to 250+% en another can't get over 10%.
I can only say that what ever happend there was never any fair chance
The winners where clear from the get go, regardless of true or untrue rumors of cheat/bugs.
All in all a nice idea , but it needs a lot of work before it can take the bad taste out of my mouth.
The whole thing was flawed, and what is this 200%? 100% is the max, you cannot go above 100%
of course you can- percentages is all about context it is used in
if you talk about dividing 1 pie, they yes 100% is max- if you talk about relative positions from a common starting point- so more used like index- then you can go over 100% :P
Ask anyone that got a loan from a loanshark if you can get over 100% :P
Congratulations EU02 for biggest leap in 1 day ( afternoon score -> morning score ) 7.8 up. This proves that we are still fighting.
Not as good as others like G06 38,1 or G05 34,9 or P01 32,9 or G04 34,4 or all others, except Italians ( WE beat them Yeah ).
I would play on German server but i don't think it is fun server. All they do is EotW.
Yea that day we decided on G4 to try the trick, everything wwas lost anyway, need i say more?
BB_Dantesama
21.12.12, 10:42
Hello all,
Thank you all for your constructive feedback on the End of the World event.
I'm going to go ahead and close this topic, I have noted all the main points and have sent them to the appropriate department.
Thank you.
BB_Dantesama
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