View Full Version : bugged artesian well & packed wheatfield question
Antilochus
15.01.13, 10:49
Hello, since the anniversary gift versions of these are found to be bugged (see http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/21846-Artesian-Well-and-Packed-Wheatfield-rebuild) what can we expect to happen to those items?
Apologies for linking to a closed topic, but it's a vitally important economic question that might be easily answerable if a BB policy for it already exists.
Thanks
You have got to be kidding? Vitally important economic question? You are taking this game WAY too seriously...
It's a bug, it'll be fixed when it's fixed. If you invest to exploit a bug, that's your decision and your risk. End of story.
Antilochus
15.01.13, 11:15
I always take games seriously :p If there's a set policy in place dealing with things like this then it would be good for people to know so that no-one need risk anything.
I'd prefer it for BB to say all these items will be reverted to normal ones, and if that's a known policy then it answers this question. If it's not a known policy then I'll feel so cheated if they later decide that people can keep the ones they have. Sometimes companies do that, and that's the entire point of this thread. If it's a possibly that might happen then I'd sell all my nobles and invest everything I had into them - that's why it's a vital question.
SettlerPiter
15.01.13, 15:08
It's a bug, it'll be fixed when it's fixed. If you invest to exploit a bug, that's your decision and your risk. End of story.
You are wrong, man. I.e. - I hever had these items before, thought they are OK. And later I was sure it's kind of special gift (I never suspect BB can [do it so wrong instead of the f-word] the Birthday gift). So... I think many people were sure it's not a bug, they bought some more fields/wells and now they feel little 'cheated'. There would be no probblem if fields/wells be not-tradeable, but they were, some people spent GC and they just do not like it.
Hello guys,
I can confirm that this is a bug, once depleted, it should vanish. It should not return to the star menu.
Thanks for your crucial feedback, this bug has been sent and reported to the appropriate department and will undergo a thorough investigation.
Best
BB_Dantesama
Ok so that confirms that IF DEPLETED it should vanish but doesnt clarify if demolishing them when not empty will return them to our star menu or wether that bit is also a bug?
Sinister-King
15.01.13, 15:57
Hello guys,
I can confirm that this is a bug, once depleted, it should vanish. It should not return to the star menu.
Thanks for your crucial feedback, this bug has been sent and reported to the appropriate department and will undergo a thorough investigation.
Best
BB_Dantesama
Ok so that confirms that IF DEPLETED it should vanish but doesnt clarify if demolishing them when not empty will return them to our star menu or wether that bit is also a bug?
Hello dorkan,
They shouldn't return to the star menu after demolishing, this is also a bug.
Best,
Sinister-King
SettlerPiter
15.01.13, 15:59
Right Dorkan, and it was monday 17:23. And I found first rumors like 'it's a bug' sunday late evening. But before sunday packed fields were about 400gc (little less for wells). And I can imagine if someone bought 10 fields and now feels [you know how].
It's fixed already on the test server so expect it to be fixed on live shortly.
I didn't receive either of them for the anniversary, perhaps that was a bug too?
Harald_Villraade
16.01.13, 01:45
I am one of those, who didn´t believe it possible for bb to change the programming of an item unintentionally... But hoorah, they managed it, and I´m thoroughly impressed! Kudos to you, who have become cynical enough to expect bugs around every corner, without loosing interest in the game. I guess I´m getting there, one or the other... ;)
Buying 10 fields was not a huge investment, nothing worth crying over. But having spent a day trading, I had managed to get the numbers of fields I had to rebuild every day down to a level that wasn´t painful anymore, as well as solving several placement issues. I was blissfully happy for a day or two, now it all gets taken away. That bugs me.
Bb has answered the massive moaning over endless bugs, errors and misinformation, by sprinkling gem gifts over us since halloween. Not to be ungrateful, but as a player, I want to be rewarded for my actions, not for hanging around waiting for gifts or compensation from the company. Add in this kind of arbitrary rule making on the go, and you have a game that pacifies instead of inspiring to action. (How many are ready to go at the next event after eotw?)
Not a step in the right direction...
Sorry, I´m bitter now, but at least that´s said ;)
@BoltAngus: You were supposed to subscribe to the newsletter, instructions were given on the front page. If still nothing happened, you were to contact support. No idea, but guess its past date now...
-H
Hello dorkan,
They shouldn't return to the star menu after demolishing, this is also a bug.
Best,
Sinister-King
If they are one time use only why spending 95 gems?
95 gems version are infinite?
The advantage is they contain a lot more than your standard so will last longer, that way you don't have to replace them as often
EmperorScruffy
16.01.13, 09:50
There is going to be a lot of [censored] off people :)
People who've bought wells and fields and do not read these forums. Only to find after Wedesdays maintenance, all their fields are no longer 'gold stared' fields, but normal trade shop ones that don't return to star menu. All that gold investment wasted.
The advantage is they contain a lot more than your standard so will last longer, that way you don't have to replace them as often
- And I'm sure BB has noticed how many people bother spending 95 gems on these fields.... apart from 2-3 naieve newbies, NONE. Tells you how useful they are doesn't it? :) I know this won't change anything. But at least if they were re-usable if demolished before exhausting, then people might get them (even then they are not worth the gems to everyone). Poor-mans Silo = re-usable Packed Wheatfield.
Hello EmperorScruffy,
Please don't use profanity.
Sinister-King
The confusion over the Packed Wheatfield and Artesian Well in the Architect is long standing:
These both need to be moved into the resources tab, as being under architect implicitly implies they are building deeds like the noble house that can be moved and re-used without problems.
THEY ARE RESOURCES only.
26.03.12
That players must still search year old threads and and often a Forum for an entirely different server/country for basic information is absurd.
There are many things to love about TSO, repeated oversights and less than crystal clear responses are not among them and this describes far too many people's feelings:
Kudos to you, who have become cynical enough to expect bugs around every corner, without loosing interest in the game.
Whilst efforts are clearly being made to improve communication and this is appreciated, the *magic* in the Gift items was a known bug and certainly one that could have been addressed before the weekend.
well- an unlimited item for 95 gems is too good to be true, and as all things that seem too good to be true, they usually are....
and the bug was fixed and came back, probably same time the guild indicator went on the blink again, last time it took like 6 months to fix the guild indicator so u might have a longer stretch of use out of the fields and wells- then again we might be surprised soon and they fix it fast
The fact that an exploit is in game will not speed up the bug fix process though- as the infamous parrot exploit has shown us
well- an unlimited item for 95 gems is too good to be true, and as all things that seem too good to be true, they usually are....
Aye, but there is no need for the guessing game. If they were kept in Resources or the Descriptions were actually descriptive there would be no problem.
Apologies, by 'addressed' I meant 'commented on'. The bug hit German servers last Easter when Artesian Wells were sent as Gifts, confirming they functioned properly this time should have been the work of a few clicks. The sending from on high of an email down the ranks would have been helpful but as that did happen all the discussion in chat should have made its way up the ladder and provoked at least an acknowledgement.
People will put up with a lot if they know what is going on, it's when problems and potential problems are kept murky or worse, completely ignored, that frustration takes a firmer hold. It's a shame really, it takes so little effort to avoid those situations.
SettlerPiter
16.01.13, 17:24
Right - items description is realy poor in TSO. Looks like made to misslead newbies and suck more money.
Antilochus
16.01.13, 18:04
Right - items description is realy poor in TSO. Looks like made to misslead newbies and suck more money.
Item description is poor in places, but I don't think it's intentional. I mean, just look at BHG - it doesn't list the most important feature which is that he fights twice as fast.
Bambo_0cha
16.01.13, 18:17
There is 2 type of packed wheatfield one from Merchant shp for 95 gems and one BB gift:
1. From Merchant shp for 95 gems
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8455/95gems.png
2. From BB gift
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6072/bbgift.png
Everything with this http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/9943/noblew.png when you destroy ll go into star, and because of that i didnt thought this is bug.
Bug, is when some functionality is not working as it should be, like history of the TO. Mistake, but definitely not a bug, is when some1 sent you gift, that is misconfigurated item(intentionally or not). What if banking employee enter my 1000 euro deposit into the banking software as 100 Paraguayan guarani? Software bug or mistake?
I, as a developer, can imagine how this could happen:
BB's programmer made separate application that send mass in-game messages to specific players(the test of the application was performed on test server multiple times days before... a lots of messages with gems was received by me). Each message contain items and this items configurations are hardcoded into the "application", because the "application" is not part of the game and therefore can't get directly the configuration of the field/well (e.g. the desired ones). Somewhere between the copy/paste of the configuration into the app, some1 make a mistake and now we have fields/wells that are "buggy".
I understand that BB have to keep balance between player's interest and their own and I'm sure it's not a easy task, but if my imginary scenario is (close to) the truth... "bug" is not the word.
Excuse my English.
SettlerPiter
17.01.13, 00:06
Mistake, but definitely not a bug, is when some1 sent you gift, that is misconfigurated item(intentionally or not). What if banking employee enter my 1000 euro deposit into the banking software as 100 Paraguayan guarani? Software bug or mistake?
Well said borobe.
http://flagpedia.net/data/currency/pyg/100000guarani.jpg
EmperorScruffy
17.01.13, 08:26
The problem is, the gifted wells/fields were an item that is not meant to be in game. the gift sent the wrong item, and BB MAY replace that item with the correct one that exists in the game.
Problem is that it's BB's mistake, and players should not loose out because of BB's mistake. But players WILL loose out, and there will be no compensation for loss of gold/resources used to purchase the 'mistaken' gift BB sent. You'll just log in to find your field is a normal Trade Shop one, and will not return to star menu. Goodbye.
Nobody is going to lose out except idiots who tried to take advantage and are now crying foul.
Everyone who accepted the gift in good faith, and maybe used the exploit a couple of time to good effect, has gained from it.
I suggest this thread be closed. It's just an excuse for people to rant about their own errors of judgement.
EmperorScruffy
17.01.13, 14:17
Nobody is going to lose out except idiots who tried to take advantage and are now crying foul.
Everyone who accepted the gift in good faith, and maybe used the exploit a couple of time to good effect, has gained from it.
I suggest this thread be closed. It's just an excuse for people to rant about their own errors of judgement.
This game is full of mistakes and haphazard implementation of bugged concepts and items. (It's supposedly BETA still after all). And those 'idiots' you speak of have been finding ways to use what is dealt them by the developers to benefit them for a long time. And often to great effect.
You play the game long enough, and you soon learn to take advantage of anything that comes along, because chances are, it's either intentional, or won't be fixed for months anyway.
Never was it mentioned, until just recently, that the items BB gifted were meant to be anything other than what they are. And it's only been commented on by Moderators, and not confirmed at all by BB.
This is not the first time BB has introduced things to the game that don't fit with other parts of the game. And some of those things were intended as they were. So it's not a far leap for people to assume this 'gift' from BB was intentional. BB have still not said it isn't. BB have not said anything at all, they never do. All we've heard is comments from Moderators, who themselves have said they do not represent BB, but only work for them in the capacity of Moderators, not developers/imperilmentors.
As is always the case, players are left in the dark, guessing as to what they are meant to do with what they are given without any information.
So hop off your pedestal, stop the insults and name-calling, and post something remotely constructive, or at least true/accurate.
Sinister-King
17.01.13, 20:57
Hello!
This thread is no longer necessary, thank you for your constructive criticism.
The bug will be fixed during next weeks maintenance :).
[Thread closed]
Thank you,
Sinister-King
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