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I know this will probably get ignored anyway :( but
I know you are all angry the Germans got 3x bonus on gems we haven't and probably wont or they will do it when the majority of people wouldn't be able to buy then anyway.
I also know you are all angry with the situation of the groupings in this event which do look unfair groupings.
However......
Did you honestly believe we could beat the Germans in this event??? i knew we couldn't even if they didn't have the gem bonus etc
The whole event is about TEAM work... not much going on in the forum that i can see. There is a lot of moaning and kicking off going on but who actually is trying???I know i am doing my best to try get the server rewards
Why instead of moaning etc don't we just show them how well we can do even with disadvantages in our way
I am making balloons.
I will continue to do so.
So why don't everyone just try their best for the server OK we might not get 200% but we should get 100-150% at least if we all pull together and work as a TEAM
Agreed, if we pull our socks up, we can reach 200% and get the same reward all servers bar 2 are able to achieve (the fastest and the most)
I am doing my part as well for Team_Awesome (W1 and W3), I'm sure we can get there!
Just because were angry lulu doesn't mean were not working as a team in game. Were just very annoyed but are still working on the event.
Moaning is not stopping me making balloons. Just saying. :)
Heartily agree,
I do the event not for the glory of coming first or the rewards (although they are nice) but for the sense of being part of a team that had fun achieving a goal and i salute all like minded players for doing as much as they can to help out in whatever way they are able!
I am making ballons 24/7 and there is a small group that works toghether all the time on the balloons.
telling us to stop pointing out plain mistakes does not change the unfairness. It also does not change our comitment towards making balloons.
you guys got a much better deal than we did. But we dont give up
I'm glad you guys like me all still trying hard.
And no it don't change the unfairness.
Just saying even with the disadvantages we CAN still all do it if we all work together
If anything we (as in all 3 UK servers) need more people to take part and show them (BB) even in adversity we can still overcome it and succeed :)
If we reach the targets, we get those rewards anyway, even if it takes the whole of the Event to get there. Probably winning the additional prizes is not going to happen, but we can get the 100%, 150% and 200% prizes. They are within our reach. We are almost at 50% at the time of typing. 100% is possible in another 4 days at this rate, and 200% 8 days after that - approximately 17th July. That should give us a few days before the end of the Event to get over 200%.
The issue of contention is that BB promised a fair competition.
We had an entire phase wholly designed to allow them to 'balance' the competition and give every server (or group of servers) a fair chance.
Why blow smoke over that issue and pretend it didn't happen?
Why give a lip-service reply rather than trying to rectify the injustice?
Complacently ignoring an insult or injustice just sets you up for more in the future.
If the imbalance is not addressed during this event, what do you think will occur in all future ones?
I am doing my part in this event. I am not enjoying it though and I am still waiting for a feasible excuse or explanation from BB [ Removed ]
Please try to remain constructive with feedback,
peck_ed
Still going for it, despite the clear disadvantages that have been imposed.
Please BB, take a very long, hard look at how this was run, and seriously ask yourselves if this was ever a fairly run 'competition'.
Salient points to view are:
The downtime suffered by certain servers in Phase 1, Germany 9 and 10 had less than 3 days to qualify as opposed to 4 days elsewhere.
This in part lead to some of the following:
The pairings/groupings of servers for Phase2. On the whole, none of these ever made sense, there are several 'power pairings' and quite a few that seem completely handicapped. As an example, just compare the pairings of Germany 4 (known 'quest monsters' in previous events) and Germany 9 (my server) which is an eqivalent age to newfoundland, very active, and again a proven track record in these events. versus Northisle (came 3rd of our local servers in Phase 1) paired with Czech Republic 1, a very young server.
These just don't stack up, and the tables show this, there is a massive gap between all the German groupings plus Poland 1 and 2, compared to the rest of the world.
Maintenances, yet again the rest of the world got handicapped here. The german servers had their regular maintenance on Monday night, before Phase 2 got under way and after Phase 1 was complete, so no production at all was lost.
This may have balanced out over time, if we hadn't then seen the UK servers get surprised with 10 minutes notice that our maintenance was a day earlier, with no chance to renew buffs and explorers stuck out in limbo, Provision Houses left idle, quite a kick in the teeth there.
The French fared even worse than us, with their regular maintenance Tuesday night (again into Phase 2), they were then surprised with an extra 'special' maintenance the following night, utter chaos.
Seeing as there is a reward for finishing the 100% goal first, everybody else is playing 'catch up', as the unaffected servers will easily reach this goal before they experience a maintenance.
The Germans did experience some unexpected downtime yesterday, which the Techs worked manfully to resolve quickly, and no doubt that in part, this crash was due to an overload because of the following:
The 300% gem sale. This is completely cynical to time this now, and completely unprecedented. Never has there been such an offer, and it doesn't seem to relate to any 'special occasion', and has given an huge advantage in this competition. The top two Polish servers must be furious at this, they are both now being overhauled by the boosted 'pay to win' teams.
Sickening manipulation of what was supposed to be a 'fun event'.
WhiteWizzard
05.07.13, 15:24
very very well put nogbad... +1
+1. Great post nogbad. Took the words right out of my mouth :)
Agreed Lulu our 200% victory will taste like honey,uncorrupted earnend fair unlike sauer tasting gemboosted reached goals ;)
Drop the rage and convert like maniacs as a salute too Dante
[23:13] System: You donated 40000 of the resource Balloons. It has been taken from your storage.
ill keep trying. but the "fair" should be taken out of the description of that event ;)
Did you honestly believe we could beat the Germans in this event??? i knew we couldn't even if they didn't have the gem bonus etc
This is not the point lulu...
Play fair and lose, is better... lose in a match that someone "must" be the winner one way or the other, is different!
Let us speak the language of truth.... the result ain't depent of the % ballons of possible active players at any server. In that case we would have servers seperated in pairs, one strong and one weak. In the other hand we have strong servers alone, middle servers in pairs, and all weak servers alone... so, the 200% of the ballons is not a percent something, but a true number, same number for any team (1 server alone, pair, or 4-5 servers together).
When they seperated the servers they didn't put 1 strong with 1 week, because that would be tough for the strong servers... oh, the Germans ones!!! So they let 'em run alone, knowing that they have the avandage, as older and bigger servers.
Among to all that, and with the Germans servers allready winning, they gave 'em 1 more weapon. Almost free (happy hour x3) gems!!!
So, players with less than level 50 there, or even level 50 players with not covering all their island with buildings, they do have the change to buy cheap watermils, deerstalkers, and recyclings, for having water, meat and coal for balloons!!!!
This resembles rather a death sentence for all other servers!!!
If they wanted to be fair.... They would have given an x3 happy hoyr to all!!!
If they wanted to be moral... They would have given an x3 happy hoyr to all week servers!!! (Greek, Italian, Malteze etc)
But to give such an advantage, only to the servers that allready had an advantage, and this happens to be servers of their own country, happens to be the only strong servers, happens to be at a country with strong economy, that need those economic benefits less than anyone else, is more like giving the victory to someone, no matter what all the others do!
It is not that I am not fighting... I allread have donate 300K balloons, only in phase 2 of the event... at least you saw it... you can see it every day, how hard I fight for our realm.... but those tacticks make me beleive that even if I had donate 1 million ballons, or 100 millions ballons, I would finish second, and not first.
Next time they can make it more simple.... "C'mon settlers, here what we have.... 12 German servers, 12 firsts positions, they will not race ofcourse, so all the other servers race for positions 13-39!!!!"
It will be more honest at least! Same tactic, but more honest!!!
No I don't think we could ever beat the Germans... but why...?
Not because they have bigger level players, or more active players, or because they are gods or something...
Just because they had allready givven the presents they need to take the 1st place at qualification...
How many times did you remember, happy hour x3 in our realm...?
How many times did you remember playing The Nords 2 in our realm...?
How many times... how many times... how many times... ???
Defeat is something that does not scares me... setting up a race is something differnce...
At least we have the honor to say that we run for the possition we took... and we are not first just because someone else just put us there!
I know only one thing in my life... always fight, never retreat, never surrender!
PS. Still creating balloons in my provision!
MuffinMule
05.07.13, 22:53
How much longer will this 'segregation' continue?
There's pretty much two different games going on, one on servers that have long since dropped the 'beta' tag, who get the chance to buy premium packs, who get regular 'happy hours', free gifts, competitions, added content etc... and 'the rest'.
I love settlers, have done for 21 years since I rec'd a working demo. Our money is as good as anybody elses, all I ask is that we play the same game, with the same content, and for pity's sake, start addressing the bugs.
The only way to win is to stop donating balloons, instead attach them to your islands. When we have enough attached balloons your island will float over the English channel, At the right moment cut the strings and crush the german like bugs.
Its not about the winning that's gonna go to Germans they got 100% 1st so unless everyone on all uk servers start making and donating balloons we cant be 1st to 200%.
Its about team work and getting us to over the 100% mark and up as far as possible and it still can be achieved in the time to get the 200% mark.
If we pull together we can do this we just need more people to donate balloons or help with resources/buffs etc and some not just purely wanting to profiteer from the event as with other events i have taken part in.
Has anyone else noticed what has happened to servers that have hit 100%? Their progress seems to have slowed to a crawl. Odd.
Yes I'm angry and disappointed by the actions of BB, and I've got it off my chest on the other thread, but as the saying goes `don't get mad, get even'. Its clear the `race' was won before it even began, but the quest to reach 100%, 150% and 200% is still there to be achieved. I set my own task to produce 500K balloons from my own island production and resources at the outset of this event, my settlers are working their little pixel bottoms off and we have passed the 150k mark before a third of the event time, so barring an `early unscheduled maintenance end to the event' I'm confident we will get there. Can you do the same ? If so Step forward, fill your lungs and blow up them balloons, share those buffs, buy lulu's trades, work your guilds. This is no longer about BB, this is about Newfoundland and Sandycove players standing together and working together to achieve a common goal that we are probably not meant to achieve....lets show them otherwise ;)
well said Larili :)
And don't just buy my trades there is a hardcore group of people who know who are trying their best that use /j global-4 so we can pass resources on to them that are doing it and can get more PH's filled at once :) between several guilds and players and majority of us in G4 can trade with others on their to help out the distributions and buffs etc.
This is no longer about BB, this is about Newfoundland and Sandycove players standing together and working together to achieve a common goal that we are probably not meant to achieve....lets show them otherwise ;)
Well put Larili!
And to help people make the decision to continue donating balloons. You are NOT ALONE.
I still try to get my queue back to 24 hours so I can use another bunny, and will keep trying that till we are at 200%
The issue of contention is that BB promised a fair competition.
We had an entire phase wholly designed to allow them to 'balance' the competition and give every server (or group of servers) a fair chance.
Why blow smoke over that issue and pretend it didn't happen?
Why give a lip-service reply rather than trying to rectify the injustice?
Complacently ignoring an insult or injustice just sets you up for more in the future.
If the imbalance is not addressed during this event, what do you think will occur in all future ones?
I am doing my part in this event. I am not enjoying it though and I am still waiting for a feasible excuse or explanation from BB [ Removed ]
Please try to remain constructive with feedback,
peck_ed
When have BB ever hold there word, a fair event they are to stupidt to do that, and wtf is the 3x extra gems on the german server?
Has anyone else noticed what has happened to servers that have hit 100%? Their progress seems to have slowed to a crawl. Odd.
Yeah I've noticed it too, maybe the res they was able to stockpile pre phase 2 has run out and now they are just running on what they can produce. Is it yet not to late to close the gap? Are we still in with a chance if we work hard enough?
Yeah I've noticed it too, maybe the res they was able to stockpile pre phase 2 has run out and now they are just running on what they can produce. Is it yet not to late to close the gap? Are we still in with a chance if we work hard enough?
That might be the case. I was on the Polish server (PL2) the other day watching their chat, and they seem to think that it will be much tougher to get to 150%. I heard a few people making donations of 500k balloons, and they are pretty committed, but they also feel that there is no chance against the Germans.
Basically their tactics seem to be to fill their islands with wells, keep donating balloons, and never shut up about it in global chat. They post their donation messages in chat and cheer each other on. Even so, they feel they are slipping and they make similar comments about the Germans and BB. They have a theory that storing resources in the Star Menu can increase lag, and are trying to clear their Star Menus quickly. They also donate quickly and don't spend much time complaining.
It is possibly difficult to compare the enthusiasm of a server playing by itself and having good results, to the rest of us who have been 'paired up' as we have, but we can still learn something from them: the prizes are out there. We can still achieve 100%, 150% and 200% if we try and work together.
Ozzymandeus
06.07.13, 15:33
The only way to win is to stop donating balloons, instead attach them to your islands. When we have enough attached balloons your island will float over the English channel, At the right moment cut the strings and crush the german like bugs.
I LOL'd... I guess every cloud has a silver lining.
They have a theory that storing resources in the Star Menu can increase lag, and are trying to clear their Star Menus quickly. They also donate quickly and don't spend much time complaining.
strange but you never know stranger things have happened, oh well i have no resources let in my star menu just buffs and adventures now
It is possibly difficult to compare the enthusiasm of a server playing by itself and having good results, to the rest of us who have been 'paired up' as we have, but we can still learn something from them: the prizes are out there. We can still achieve 100%, 150% and 200% if we try and work together.
yea we can :) you just got to keep on going :)
Yeah I've noticed it too, maybe the res they was able to stockpile pre phase 2 has run out and now they are just running on what they can produce. Is it yet not to late to close the gap? Are we still in with a chance if we work hard enough?
I'm wondering if BB have changed the calculation once a server hits 100%? They've been messing about with things, so maybe getting to 200% is not just a matter of doubling the number of balloons it took to get to 100%. It really is very strange. Even if those servers had drop-off after 100%, why would ALL of them slow down so much? Something odd is going on... and, as ever, BB will not tell us what. There must be some explanation as to why those servers have slowed up enough that no one may get to 200%.
We should run a community fan art competition :P Make up news articles features TSO artwork along with images showing off the gem price cheating and poor grouping for servers, at least these might have a lasting effect of showing up in search engines when people search for information about what kind of company blue byte is.
We should run a community fan art competition :P Make up news articles features TSO artwork along with images showing off the gem price cheating and poor grouping for servers, at least these might have a lasting effect of showing up in search engines when people search for information about what kind of company blue byte is.
people should contact their newspapers and computer magazines to and tell them what BB are up to
KaffeKalle
06.07.13, 17:10
first i say; i do make balloons,but not as many as be4. Reason ; well german had bonus ,others didnt,it should be even for all at a world event. 2. a fair team setup wasnt made as promissed ,so wedidnt had a chance to win at all,nomatter how hard we would try.So i donate like 10k a day and thats all u get from me :)
I know this will probably get ignored anyway :( but
I know you are all angry the Germans got 3x bonus on gems we haven't and probably wont or they will do it when the majority of people wouldn't be able to buy then anyway.
I also know you are all angry with the situation of the groupings in this event which do look unfair groupings.
However......
Did you honestly believe we could beat the Germans in this event??? i knew we couldn't even if they didn't have the gem bonus etc
The whole event is about TEAM work... not much going on in the forum that i can see. There is a lot of moaning and kicking off going on but who actually is trying???I know i am doing my best to try get the server rewards
Why instead of moaning etc don't we just show them how well we can do even with disadvantages in our way
I am making balloons.
I will continue to do so.
So why don't everyone just try their best for the server OK we might not get 200% but we should get 100-150% at least if we all pull together and work as a TEAM
well, i agree with 99% of comments on this thread. ;)
all valid points and reasoning.
on another note, personally imho, all of those "nay-sayers" should be exempt from the loot/rewards for such events, thus eliminating/reducing the chances of poor turnout and encouraging more members to participate !! :p
it gets tiring listening to folk grouse'n'grumble they want new things to do, and then when BB try something new, such players just continue with their negative comments and try to discourage others away from the event :mad:
to all those that are actively making/donating balloons, well done and keep up the sterling work :cool:
to all you nay-sayers, hang your heads in shame !! :o
KaffeKalle
06.07.13, 18:29
doesnt sound u agrre at all
Salem_Warrior_1
06.07.13, 18:46
personally iam making and buying so all guild can make balloons, iam not bothered if we don't win, as long as we get 200%...i want to be able to have pride in the fact that i participated in a event that gave gems and cool items to all the server....and have pride in the fact that some players that are struggling with the game or at lower levels get a much needed boost
well, i agree with 99% of comments on this thread. ;)
all valid points and reasoning.
on another note, personally imho, all of those "nay-sayers" should be exempt from the loot/rewards for such events, thus eliminating/reducing the chances of poor turnout and encouraging more members to participate !! :p
it gets tiring listening to folk grouse'n'grumble they want new things to do, and then when BB try something new, such players just continue with their negative comments and try to discourage others away from the event :mad:
to all those that are actively making/donating balloons, well done and keep up the sterling work :cool:
to all you nay-sayers, hang your heads in shame !! :o
I agree - and it is possible to agree with the points made in the thread without having to moan about them all the time. I'm not terribly impressed with a lot of aspects of this Event, but despite that I will continue to make balloons as quickly as I can because I believe that we can make the targets of 100%, 150% and 200% by the end of the Event. I'm not terribly comfortable with the idea that all the non-participating players will receive the rewards at the end of the Event, but I would prefer that we did reach the targets than give up early so that no one gets anything.
We can do this, we've got time and enough motivation to get there.
I agree - and it is possible to agree with the points made in the thread without having to moan about them all the time. I'm not terribly impressed with a lot of aspects of this Event, but despite that I will continue to make balloons as quickly as I can because I believe that we can make the targets of 100%, 150% and 200% by the end of the Event. I'm not terribly comfortable with the idea that all the non-participating players will receive the rewards at the end of the Event, but I would prefer that we did reach the targets than give up early so that no one gets anything.
We can do this, we've got time and enough motivation to get there.
I can't stress this enough... check out what is happening to the servers that have passed 100%. Something funny is going on. Forget 200%, because something is getting seriously changed when a server hits 100%. Go look.
=D that would be epic
we hit 100% and get nerfed imo forum xplodes then.
I assume Top servers made a sprint for the 100% reward using high rate conversions maybe with some cheap gem boosts and now sit back. Not willing to burn resources for xtra gems and skins
=D that would be epic
we hit 100% and get nerfed imo forum xplodes then.
I assume Top servers made a sprint for the 100% reward using high rate conversions maybe with some cheap gem boosts and now sit back. Not willing to burn resources for xtra gems and skins
It's too consistent. All the servers that have got there have throttled back. I think it's either a bug with the rankings or the target changes when you hit 100%.
It's too consistent. All the servers that have got there have throttled back. I think it's either a bug with the rankings or the target changes when you hit 100%.
target changes when you hit 100% ???? Has BB studied different maths than us? if 100% is X balloons (whatever X might be), 200% is twice as many balloons, and not 5 times or 10 times. Then don't call it 100%, 150% and 200% target, call it simply target 1, target 2 and target 3. Some exact figures form BB about what 100% is would definitely be welcome. Or is it that, as someone was suggesting earlier, the data is being tempered with all the time?
It's too consistent. All the servers that have got there have throttled back. I think it's either a bug with the rankings or the target changes when you hit 100%.
No, BB have just been busted for cheating, there's no way they could carry on with their advantage so they must have done something, I'm hoping the german players have quit in disgust after realising their win was manipulated
yawn!! back to the Rugby/F1/tennis/cricket/TdF/ - I had a go!!! and donated probably 30k balloons... but why bother to compete in an pointless competition?
There seems to be a serious case of stupidity in the organisation.... everyone knows how to make a fair system.... you either have one competition with first and last then second and next to last etc as groupings..or you run several small competition groups..
I'm quite happy to see the German/Polish servers winning... just don't expect the rest of us to get very excitited about it!!
yawn!! back to the Rugby/F1/tennis/cricket/TdF/ - I had a go!!! and donated probably 30k balloons... but why bother to compete in an pointless competition?
There seems to be a serious case of stupidity in the organisation.... everyone knows how to make a fair system.... you either have one competition with first and last then second and next to last etc as groupings..or you run several small competition groups..
I'm quite happy to see the German/Polish servers winning... just don't expect the rest of us to get very excitited about it!!
Not expecting you to get excited really and the pointlessness of trying to win in a rigged contest is noted. However, some of us are still going to try and get at least 100% for our server group. We are not doing it to win the prizes that we have no hope of winning, but to have the satisfaction of achieving what we can attain. If you aren't competing, could you do your game and let us do ours?
We won't ask you to make balloons if you don't want to, please don't dissuade people who do want to compete from joining in.
Not expecting you to get excited really and the pointlessness of trying to win in a rigged contest is noted. However, some of us are still going to try and get at least 100% for our server group. We are not doing it to win the prizes that we have no hope of winning, but to have the satisfaction of achieving what we can attain. If you aren't competing, could you do your game and let us do ours?
We won't ask you to make balloons if you don't want to, please don't dissuade people who do want to compete from joining in.
well Sto... aren't you a great cheerleader?... I'm not interested in dissuading people, as I said i HAD A GO and did 30k balloons on my short daily visits... but my point is quite valid... I didn't mention the silly gem situation, just the mechanics of running a competition... if you want to keep running into a wall with your head when these competitions come up that's fine.. I tried that... it hurt...
well Sto... aren't you a great cheerleader?... I'm not interested in dissuading people, as I said i HAD A GO and did 30k balloons on my short daily visits... but my point is quite valid... I didn't mention the silly gem situation, just the mechanics of running a competition... if you want to keep running into a wall with your head when these competitions come up that's fine.. I tried that... it hurt...
Canute, I can't help seeing the irony in your last post and your username :D Your point is extremely valid as is everybody's on this matter. Maybe its the rebel in me, but I'm not going to be beaten down by the unfair and the unjust just because it hurts on occasions. If BB chooses out of ignorance or desire to treat their customers unfairly, that's their problem. I like Settlers the game, and its the game I choose to play, it doesn't mean I have to play it their way..just because they put us in different teams doesn't mean that we can not look at the rankings and calculate how OUR servers team would have performed had we been teamed together. As such we can have just as valid conception of beating the German server teams as they have of `winning ' from being given an unfair advantage. The 3EU/UK servers have done themselves proud in this respect and them getting a few more extra gems at the end of the event doesn't change our performance or what we are achieving, and what is still left to achieve ;).
I admit I cleared my PH the night the news broke about the happy hour, but then I remembered the targets I set myself for this event in `MY' game, and BB and other servers were not going to spoil MY game with their actions. So I picked myself up and got back into it. I'm not going to tell you or other players how to play your game, but I would like to think that if you could use some spare capacity of your PH and/or resources to just keep some balloons being produced, you would be helping our servers go from `whining sore losers' to `those that have the metal to complete the task' DESPITE the failings of others....and that has got to be irritating for them...and worth a few balloons :)
`whining sore losers'
???????? It's not that at all,BB have blatantly just cheated in a competition tey themselves declared as fair, if they hadn't then your comment would be valid but you seem to imply that we should just ignore their undehand tactics
Ozzymandeus
07.07.13, 13:17
I'll just leave this here:
How can newer game worlds compete with older ones?
We heard your feedback from the End of the World event, some game worlds will collaborate together in order to achieve a common goal and win rewards. Rest assured that cooperation will be limited only to results, game worlds will not be directly connected in any other way.
The amount of balloons required depends on the economic output of your server. The leader board will take into account the economic output of each server; relative to its amount of active players. This should guarantee a fair competition, no matter how old or young game worlds are.
well Sto... aren't you a great cheerleader?... I'm not interested in dissuading people, as I said i HAD A GO and did 30k balloons on my short daily visits... but my point is quite valid... I didn't mention the silly gem situation, just the mechanics of running a competition... if you want to keep running into a wall with your head when these competitions come up that's fine.. I tried that... it hurt...
Well, I'm still having a go. I'm still enjoying it. I've donated over 150k balloons now and am pushing through the pain. It will be worth it.
Quote Originally Posted by Larili View Post
`whining sore losers'
???????? It's not that at all,BB have blatantly just cheated in a competition tey themselves declared as fair, if they hadn't then your comment would be valid but you seem to imply that we should just ignore their undehand tactics
Sorry veganbot, I was speculating on how the game managers could probably try to justify the unjustifiable in their meeting tomorrow ( if they have such a thing ). This is the perception I had after the EotW event, and given what has happened I think I may have a point ;)
I am certainly not implying that by continuing to strive and reach 200% despite this unfairness I am in any way condoning the unfairness, but rather that any argument I make regarding this issue will carry more weight, as it can not be dismissed so easily as coming from someone who is `whining' because it was too difficult or because I did not achieve the goal which was set.
Lulu put this thread up to re-motivate some of you who like myself were very angry about what has happened, and how our trust in BB has been abused so badly. The easiest thing to do would be to no longer take part either on principle or protest or both. But there are more ways to be a winner in a game than just be first past the post, and there are more ways to protest than walking away and not participating, if you think it is the right thing for you to do then you have no argument from me and I will respect you no less for it. I'm posting here to give those that are wavering another option, will a few resources turned into balloons really break your island or game plan? But it could make the difference in getting prizes for the server community and give even more relevance to our criticism of the event and how it has been managed. I won't even promise BB will pay any attention to us the players here on EU/UK servers if we do get 200% or if we stop where we are right now. But I do know that I'm going to make 500k balloons by 23rd July, barring BB locking me out of my island :) For my own satisfaction of beating my challenge to myself, if it annoys BB game fixing event management then that's a bonus right now ( and secretly I'm throwing one of them down every well I build....what can I say I'm evil when I'm angry :) )
For all you ` I am not taking any further part in this fiasco event' Go on make another 10k balloons, I know you want too, I won't tell anyone, it will be our secret ;)
Another solution, to be ready for the next time.
We all make a new account on a Polish server including our other friends from overseas, and in our spare time build up its economy.
Then, when the time comes, and another 'fair competition' begins, we all concentrate our efforts there.
That would hit them in the proverbials, as the ensuing outcry from the German servers would be incredible. ;)
Another solution, to be ready for the next time.
We all make a new account on a Polish server including our other friends from overseas, and in our spare time build up its economy.
Then, when the time comes, and another 'fair competition' begins, we all concentrate our efforts there.
That would hit them in the proverbials, as the ensuing outcry from the German servers would be incredible. ;)
Nogbad - I've got an account on one of the Polish servers and am trying to be as actively inactive as I can be for this event, working on the theory some people have that low level players can 'dilute' the balloons. I'm also watching their chat to pick up any ideas. I had thought that we should ally ourselves with the US, other UK servers, the Czech server that got stuck with Northisle and possibly some of the other servers that got stuck into groups, but there is also the option of helping the Poles beat the Germans. They are not terribly happy with the various advantages that the Germans have been given either and they don't see themselves getting a 'podium finish'. However, they are pretty good at making balloons and cheer each other on the whole time.
Since I would quite like the UK 1 & UK 3 group to pass PL 2, I won't change my tactics for this event unless they really do go up the leaderboard.
Why is everyone accusing BB of "cheating", or rigging the event so the Germans win?
That would be stupendously ridiculous.
It's just good old fashioned incompetence
Ozzymandeus
08.07.13, 17:48
It's just good old fashioned incompetenceYou're right!
I'm sure that, in amongst all the computer scientists, programmers, technicians and other boffins at BlueByte, there was absolutely nobody smart enough to have the slightest inkling that staggering happy hours across servers would give those that got it earlier any sort of advantage whilst there's a competition running with an award for "The game world that is the fastest".
[/SARCASM]
I'm sure that, in amongst all the computer scientists, programmers, technicians and other boffins at BlueByte, there was absolutely nobody smart enough to have the slightest inkling...
I'm sure several people would have, just not the person who decided to run the promotion. Probably some marketing person...
Ozzymandeus
08.07.13, 18:06
I'm sure several people would have, just not the person who decided to run the promotion. Probably some marketing person...
You imply that person was ignorant of the competion criteria. I say it just as (if not more) likely that they were counting on the Germanic servers spending loads of Euros in order to win... Because that's the kind of way marketing people think... at least the successful ones anyway!
Shouldn't you be saving this for the `happy hour thread';) Positive thinking here now people....like we're gaining on P1 and took 2% out of them today so far...keep up the good work Newfies and Sandycovians ( And Northislers, I'm still rooting for you too :D )
After them comes the first of the German servers, what more motivation do you need? Especially as they will be celebrating reaching 100%...now's the time to catch them napping ( Tortoise and Hare people, Tortoise and hare ;) )
Positive thinking here now people....like we're gaining on P1 and took 2% out of them today so far...keep up the good work Newfies and Sandycovians ( And Northislers, I'm still rooting for you too :D )
After them comes the first of the German servers, what more motivation do you need? Especially as they will be celebrating reaching 100%...now's the time to catch them napping ( Tortoise and Hare people, Tortoise and hare ;) )
yep i agree we are gaining on them, they are all slowing down and were catching them up lets go uk servers :) team tortoise all the way :)
Ozzymandeus
08.07.13, 19:15
Shouldn't you be saving this for the `happy hour thread';) Positive thinking here now people....like we're gaining on P1 and took 2% out of them today so far...keep up the good work Newfies and Sandycovians ( And Northislers, I'm still rooting for you too :D )
After them comes the first of the German servers, what more motivation do you need? Especially as they will be celebrating reaching 100%...now's the time to catch them napping ( Tortoise and Hare people, Tortoise and hare ;) )Sorry... It's not so bad for you other guys but, speaking as a Northisler, it's kinda hard to stay motivated when there are currently so many Germanic/Polish teams with around twice my team's total in this so-called "fair" contest... Though, it's not stopping me from producing around 100,000 water per day! :-)
You might like to read this, copied from the global chat on Germany 9 earlier this evening. Now most of the people on there have been very decent sorts, but comments like this have been made several times by people who aren't usually in the chat:
This followed a previous comment about the fact that "The Polish (then a word that Google could/would not translate) still had a very small chance"
Then this:
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You may get your own translation, but the gist is "...but now we've put lots of money into gems".
What's the first line of that anthem? ;)
(And BB, if you think in any way or form that last comment may have some racist overtones, then I strongly suggest you pull some of the German chat logs, just search for the word Panzer, and a country that certain people still claim does not exist, some interesting comments relating to the Sudetenland as well, and people accuse us of living in the past!)
English only please,
peck_ed
Sorry... It's not so bad for you other guys but, speaking as a Northisler, it's kinda hard to stay motivated when there are currently so many Germanic/Polish teams with around twice my team's total in this so-called "fair" contest... Though, it's not stopping me from producing around 100,000 water per day! :-)
Ozzymandeaus your doing a grand job, Northisle and the Czech server are staying ahead of the French and are streets ahead of the Americans, I believe your punching well above your weight, keep it up babe :cool:
i just had to get it out on the other pages again..
This is really well put. When even players from the german servers points out its unfair for the others,, Cmon!
Still going for it, despite the clear disadvantages that have been imposed.
Please BB, take a very long, hard look at how this was run, and seriously ask yourselves if this was ever a fairly run 'competition'.
Salient points to view are:
The downtime suffered by certain servers in Phase 1, Germany 9 and 10 had less than 3 days to qualify as opposed to 4 days elsewhere.
This in part lead to some of the following:
The pairings/groupings of servers for Phase2. On the whole, none of these ever made sense, there are several 'power pairings' and quite a few that seem completely handicapped. As an example, just compare the pairings of Germany 4 (known 'quest monsters' in previous events) and Germany 9 (my server) which is an eqivalent age to newfoundland, very active, and again a proven track record in these events. versus Northisle (came 3rd of our local servers in Phase 1) paired with Czech Republic 1, a very young server.
These just don't stack up, and the tables show this, there is a massive gap between all the German groupings plus Poland 1 and 2, compared to the rest of the world.
Maintenances, yet again the rest of the world got handicapped here. The german servers had their regular maintenance on Monday night, before Phase 2 got under way and after Phase 1 was complete, so no production at all was lost.
This may have balanced out over time, if we hadn't then seen the UK servers get surprised with 10 minutes notice that our maintenance was a day earlier, with no chance to renew buffs and explorers stuck out in limbo, Provision Houses left idle, quite a kick in the teeth there.
The French fared even worse than us, with their regular maintenance Tuesday night (again into Phase 2), they were then surprised with an extra 'special' maintenance the following night, utter chaos.
Seeing as there is a reward for finishing the 100% goal first, everybody else is playing 'catch up', as the unaffected servers will easily reach this goal before they experience a maintenance.
The Germans did experience some unexpected downtime yesterday, which the Techs worked manfully to resolve quickly, and no doubt that in part, this crash was due to an overload because of the following:
The 300% gem sale. This is completely cynical to time this now, and completely unprecedented. Never has there been such an offer, and it doesn't seem to relate to any 'special occasion', and has given an huge advantage in this competition. The top two Polish servers must be furious at this, they are both now being overhauled by the boosted 'pay to win' teams.
Sickening manipulation of what was supposed to be a 'fun event'.
Shouldn't you be saving this for the `happy hour thread';) Positive thinking here now people....like we're gaining on P1 and took 2% out of them today so far...keep up the good work Newfies and Sandycovians ( And Northislers, I'm still rooting for you too :D )
After them comes the first of the German servers, what more motivation do you need? Especially as they will be celebrating reaching 100%...now's the time to catch them napping ( Tortoise and Hare people, Tortoise and hare ;) )
Although, to be fair to P1, we have just been given a similar advantage to the germans last week, albeit a shorter promotion.
Feels more than a little dirty now.
Although, to be fair to P1, we have just been given a similar advantage to the germans last week, albeit a shorter promotion.
Feels more than a little dirty now.
Yes Nogbad, the cynical side of me saw that as well, and if BB marketing strategy was to sell gems by manipulating a competition this way then they can give themselves a well deserved pat on the back. The fact remains that BB will have a much harder time to repeat this again, as it is clear that the trust given to them for a second time to run a `fair' competition will not be so forthcoming for a third. To be honest I can not see them even attempting this again, and they will only do smaller events between localised server groups. ( For me though I still would want to see ALL the calculations upfront, they will not manipulate my trust again)
However onwards and upwards I hit my halfway target this morning 250k balloons :) :) And a big thank you to those lootspot buyers for adding extra hwl to the price that was asked, your the people that make this community great :cool::D
However onwards and upwards I hit my halfway target this morning 250k balloons :) :) And a big thank you to those lootspot buyers for adding extra hwl to the price that was asked, your the people that make this community great :cool::D
yeah well done :D
This event is and will never be and never have been fair. The way they paired up the servers.
The ones that benefit the most are those low pop german servers 12 and 15 that got put in with 2 and 3. they're getting carried to the top and getting their 200% prize completion without effort.
its disappointing.
Once you get to 100%, there is no point in trying to go for 200% (those extra gems isn't worth the donations).
Save all your balloons and convert them to coins in the next patch update. You make more money selling balloons than the value of the gems you get from those extra 100% -> 200%
They rigged it so that the required amount of balloons have diminish return. As I noticed somebody has done a stats comparison on the rate of donations.
250k balloons = 2500 coins. You can easily buy watermill or silos with that (value of 600+ gems).
Once you get to 100%, there is no point in trying to go for 200% (those extra gems isn't worth the donations).
Save all your balloons and convert them to coins in the next patch update. You make more money selling balloons than the value of the gems you get from those extra 100% -> 200%
They rigged it so that the required amount of balloons have diminish return. As I noticed somebody has done a stats comparison on the rate of donations.
I personally am going to be making balloons and donating them to the end of the even if there is some qued up in ph that wont count when event over fair enough if we can change them into coins like on the test server but i'm not purposely going to store any.
At the end of the day I am doing this for server pride to see how far we can get not give up as soon as we hit 100% whether the rewards are worth it or not its all about pride after 100% not the rewards.
Also I set myself a new target to have donated 2 million balloons in this even so i'm aiming for that already over my 1 million mark yesterday which was my original target I thought I could reach
Bring on the water balloons to the bitter end I say :D
This game was meant to be my bit of fun, a bit of relaxation, I liked the chat and the challenge of moving up the levels, I like to help my guild if I can, I don't have the money to spend on gems (I have only ever bought $5 worth) so I have have to wait a very long time to earn anything, I don't know the ins and outs of why this event has been run the way it has been, all I know is my spare resources are gone I have used them to make thousands and thousands of balloons and whats the point? I have no resources and the bottom 8 on the results table are so far behind the top 8 it's very obvious somethings not right with the way this has been run, I will continue to make what balloons I can but needless to say I'm not a happy bunny. And if they ever run an event like this again I think twice before I participate. And I don't think I will be alone :(
Maybe next time they need to give people the option to opt out of events? Then the people that continue would actually be the ones interested in playing. Another way of doing it would be to ask people to sign up to play an event - opt in.
Or make it so that the top x number of level 50 players from each server compete, based on their activity from a short qualifying phase.
Where are you getting this information that we will be able to convert balloons to coins, for the life of me i don't recall seeing any mention of that.
I will continue to make balloons until we either make it to 200% or the event is over. I am making approximately 170k balloons per day and have donated a little over 1.4 million to date (I can't say for sure just how much we are donating as a guild but we estimate between 750k and 1m daily). I can't say that every member of The Immortals is involved in the event but a heck of a lot of us are. Some are focussing on balloon conversion, some making buffs and some building and rebuilding wells... and this event has brought us closer together as a guild (guild chat has never been busier since I joined). Sure it stinks that the 300% gem bonus was rolled out to some servers before it got to others and there is no doubt that this gives an advantage to those who received it first. Am I disappointed that this occurred? Yes! Am I going to let it affect me to the point that I give up on the event? Definitely not!
Happy settling,
Mr. Halerose (",)
Where are you getting this information that we will be able to convert balloons to coins, for the life of me i don't recall seeing any mention of that.
My guess would be that someone is presuming balloons will be the same as pumpkins, presents, footballs and so on, with a conversion button created in the PH. I think they may be very wrong in presuming this! :) I for one will be astonished if balloons are EVER worth coins.
Where are you getting this information that we will be able to convert balloons to coins, for the life of me i don't recall seeing any mention of that.
they have it available on the testserver 25 balloons gets you 1 gold coin on there
Be aware that there is a post from BB_Pandur on the German forums that it might not be available on the live servers. Or if it does make it, the conversion rate might be less profitable.
Free translation:
from the german post (http://forum.diesiedleronline.de/threads/94212-Jubil%C3%A4ums-Event-Feedback?p=875978&viewfull=1#post875978)
Currently, a decision as to whether that comes into play or not, or in what form, is not decided.
Greeting Pandur
I will continue to make balloons until we either make it to 200% or the event is over. I am making approximately 170k balloons per day and have donated a little over 1.4 million to date (I can't say for sure just how much we are donating as a guild but we estimate between 750k and 1m daily). I can't say that every member of The Immortals is involved in the event but a heck of a lot of us are. Some are focussing on balloon conversion, some making buffs and some building and rebuilding wells... and this event has brought us closer together as a guild (guild chat has never been busier since I joined). Sure it stinks that the 300% gem bonus was rolled out to some servers before it got to others and there is no doubt that this gives an advantage to those who received it first. Am I disappointed that this occurred? Yes! Am I going to let it affect me to the point that I give up on the event? Definitely not!
Happy settling,
Mr. Halerose (",)
Brilliant! That's the spirit that we need to get through this event! :D
Be aware that there is a post from BB_Pandur on the German forums that it might not be available on the live servers. Or if it does make it, the conversion rate might be less profitable.
Free translation:
from the german post (http://forum.diesiedleronline.de/threads/94212-Jubil%C3%A4ums-Event-Feedback?p=875978&viewfull=1#post875978)
Got to say that I am gobsmacked they would even CONSIDER doing this.
This has got to be the stupidest idea EVER, to give people the option to keep hold of their balloons rather than donate them in aid of the competition.
Not forgetting that the german servers have such an advantage over everyone else, that they'll all have at least a week of being able to make balloons after reaching 200% causing a massive gold influx after the event.
Having a weeks worth of balloons which could be converted to gold coin will only affect those german servers, after all they can't transfer it to other servers. What it will do is completely change the nature of their Trade office by driving costs up. A majority of players at the end of the day will see no reward from converting balloons to gold, since their running costs will rise enough to eat through their balloon bonus.
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