Guilds sending unsolicited Guild Invites to strangers

[fishslice]

Ok so this has wound me up. I am a Guild Leader and today 2 of the guild members received unsolicited invites to new guilds and these invites came from people that aren't even on their Friends List.....

BB please change the way that the Guild Invite works. You shouldn't be able to invite a stranger, that just adds to the spam.

Example invites received
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And an example of a response from a Guild Leader!
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And a further Guild Leader response....
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BB_Ravel Please consider updating the rules to make this behaviour unacceptable. Or at least make PVP mandatory so I can go and nuke the offenders when its introduced.

Regards,
fish




And for anyone thinking of joining a guild, please talk, whisper or email the people in the guild first of all. there's nothing worse than being in a guild where the players don't share your language, time zone or playing style. Guilds are there to help you expand your enjoyment of the game. So if you want to try one out then ask a few questions and be prepared to answer some as well. I love being part of a guild and relish the additional challenges it brings. Its about making on-line friends and supporting each other.

[bobo007]

BB_Ravel Please consider updating the rules to make this behaviour unacceptable. Or at least make PVP mandatory so I can go and nuke the offenders when its introduced.


Regards,
fish

At least last sence i'd like (Nuke the Offenders) and i think i now troop ammount of fishs.. that will hurt for those offender:)

[Miranda_84]

i agree , too much peeps get to much random invites..

they say hi in g1 or help and bam a guild invite.. 1 second you see em without tag and the next with tag.. this is not how its done!! ( when they say apperantly im in a guild now , now idea how , gives a clue too.. new guys just click in mails , dont aften read it)

i would also like to state that it might be handy to have a level limit for when you can found a guild. some do it when they are very low and have now idea how it works.. they go and random invite peeps. ( also the large guilds do this )

there are a lot of 1 player guilds.. those also should be looked at and if not active no more deleted.. i recon that guild will then not go on the next cause there is no next in line..

i do think this post will be moved , but im hoping it will be read ;)

Greets Miranda

[fishslice]

Thanks Miranda,
I would hope it doesn't get moved - its relevant to "Guild Information & Recruitment". In fact I propose it should be a sticky lol....


I really don't get how BB thinks sending Random Guild invites is anything but stupid. You should only be able to send an invite to someone that has previously accepted a Friends Request.

[Miranda_84]

i agree :)

[adriaa]

Maybe they need to change completely the way the recruitment for guilds is done.As per other posts/threads, a guild recruitment channel/global ,will be beneficial ( not a lot of people are looking on the forum, and even if they do , they do not have the patience to look at all the posts)and will solve the issue of unsolicited mail and random invites.

[Fexno]

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[Dorotheus]

Maybe a limit on how many invites a day can be sent or maybe a cost in guild coins per invite.

[Mortallicus]

It would appear that this has not been stopped. In the last couple of hours 4 members of my guild have received unsolicited guild invites from another guild (the same one). I think BB should stop this practice. My members are free to go where they want its their choice. But this Officer of another guild is not on their friends list and he is spamming and harrassing my guild. If he saw our guild chat it might make him feel differently :D Just shows they cannot build on their own merit.

[Kit_]

Yep, too many guilds send unsolicited mails to new players (and old players already in guilds).
Maybe a new system is needed to prevent guilds from being able to do this. The guild shield already has an 'apply' button. Change the guild application system so it is set up so players may only be accepted into a guild if they apply to the guild via this button. No ability to send invites at all, just an accept or decline option on a guild application. This way guilds can post on the forum as they do, encouraging players to apply via the shield, and guilds can then accept or decline any applications.
No more unsolicited mails, and guild recruitment stays firmly on the forum.

[Mortallicus]

and the invites are still coming from the same guild. I agree Kit it is not just unsolicited invites to other guiilds' members that should be stopped but those sending to players not in a guild too.

[Dorotheus]

Or maybe Invites should be treated the same as person to person trades, I.E they have to be on your friends list for 24 hours before a guild invite can be sent. This at least would provide a cool down period where remove friend can be used in the appropriate circumstances.

[Ozzymandeus]

BB_Ravel Please consider updating the rules to make this behaviour unacceptable.

+1

Lots of good ideas as to how to handle it here... surely one of them should be implemented. There is one certain guild here on Northisle that I used to get mails from every week or two asking if I would like an invite. That stopped for a good while, but now that same guild seems to be skipping the (relatively) polite mail and jumping straight to the unsolicited invite. Quite frankly, IMO, it's bang out of order!

[SmurfAsH]

Don't you think a simple "Block sender" should work here?
Why suggest changes that would make it a lot worse for guild leaders that do not abuse guild invites..

You're talking about getting several invites per week.
As guild leader I get several non-qualified applications per day. That means I have to write and send a mail back to ask for informationen needed, for each and every of them. You're suggestion is to make that even more?

[Kit_]

SmurfAsh, you realise the rules state that all guild recruitment is supposed to be done via the forum, so no sending unsolicited invites via mail, no recruiting in chat. Guilds are supposed to receive guild applications via the shield or mail from the person wanting to join a guild, not the other way around. You may not like receiving all those applications, but that is how it is supposed to work.

[SmurfAsH]

We have had the guild applications now for less than a year.
I think guild invites have been sent since the introduction of guilds. How comes that's been a big issue now and why can't that be solved by a simple "Block sender"?

[Kit_]

Doesn't solve the issue of some guilds using global as a recruiting method and sending invites to any new player as soon as they talk in global. I recently had a new player in help who had accepted such a guild invite, he actually said he thought a guild tag was just for show, as there was no-one ever talking in his guild chat, and he had no idea what a guild was supposed to be like. After many players explaining what a guild was supposed to do and what he was missing out on, he promptly left his guild and joined another (better) one. There are many new players getting caught like this, only to find out their guild is really no good after asking for help in chat and being told their guild is supposed to be offering trades/buffs/help. Some players don't even know what a guild quest is, as their guild is too small to even get them and the guild leaders are not giving any information.
Yes, any guild sending unsolicited mails repeatedly can be blocked, but doesn't solve the entire problem with regards to unsolicited guild recruitment and lurker guilds.

[SmurfAsH]

Well, the entire problem is bigger than just unsolicited guild recruitment and lurker guilds. Your suggestion do not solve it, but instead pushing it to serious guild leaders.

Your example of that new player being in a "nonsense guild" would probably not even looking for a guild in the first place and would still have no clue what a guild was supposed to be like..
Atleast, being active in global channels makes him available for valuable information like that you passed on to him.
Since the introduction of achievements, there has been a lot more applications.. Almost everyone do not qualify in my guild, but if sent to a "lurker guild"...what do you think would happen?

(Yes, that player will probably NEVER get the idea what a guild was supposed to be like.)

[Sharpielein]

Maybe a limit on how many invites a day can be sent or maybe a cost in guild coins per invite.

Seriously, they should even cost Gems, at an increasing cost of 1/invite, resetting with each new day.

1 invite = free.
2nd invite= 1 gem
3rd invite = 2 gems
....

That would still make it possible to recruit as much as you want, as even 20 newmembers would come at the low, low price of 190 gems (fairly affordable) but spamming guild invites would be ... uh, costly :D

[JJahorn]

I think sending invites to people already in a guild is wrong. They are in one and can make up their own mind.
I don't think it is wrong for a mid-level guild to 'tempt' the new players. They will get the advantages of the guild - hopefully with support and tips, and when they are stable players can move on to another if they feel the guild isn't doing enough for them.
Don't forget, at the beginning of the game there are enough other things to learn and process. A lot of people (not me) probably don't dive right into the forum to understand the finer points of the game.

I think - no direct invites to people already in a guild. If they actively want to change guilds, they can quit the one they are in and get the invite to the new one.