Surprise Attack with Veteran and MMA

[Brimo]

Surprise Attack Updated


Average losses (Veteran with crossbows and elite) 274R 154M 19S
Average Losses (Veteran and MMA with x-bows/elite) 401R 50M 19S

Adventure Info:
Player Level: 36+
Difficulty: 6/10
Number of Players: 2
Duration: 4 days
Where to get?: Trader (Shop) for 695 Diamonds, from a mystery box, TO
Max XP: 41820

Brimo’s note: This guide only adds MMA to PrincessAlly’s guide (http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/16332-Guide-Killste-Collected-Adventure-Guides-by-Various-Authors?p=209199&viewfull=1#post209199), which is based on the Hasmir guide (http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/17261-FWB-Hasmirs-s-adventure-blog-for-Veteran-fighters?p=180068&viewfull=1#post180068) as compiled by killste (http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/16332-Guide-Killste-Collected-Adventure-Guides-by-Various-Authors). I also decided to lose recruits instead of militia and soldiers. Can also be found here (http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/16332-Guide-Killste-Collected-Adventure-Guides-by-Various-Authors/page145).

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One VETERAN general with Crossbows
Three NORMAL general, using round blocks


Units needed: 299R 181M 307S 298E 204C 195XB

Units lost, average: 274R 154M 23S
Units lost, maximum: 299R 176M 23S


One MMA general with Crossbows
One VETERAN general with Crossbows
Three NORMAL general, using round blocks


Units needed: 460R 67M 307S 298E 204C 195XB

Units lost, average: 401R 50M 19S
Units lost, maximum: 460R, 67M, 23S



http://static3.thesettlersonline.com/sites/default/themes/siedler/images/common/footer/ornament.pngGarrison Position G1 (Camps 1-3)

Position A: One MMA general with Crossbows or VETERAN general - To save time you can place the general at position C from G2

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From A to Camp 1) 130 Karl, 70 Valkyrie
VETERAN general: 2M 1E 87C 160XB (0 - 1M - 2M)
MAJOR general: 100C 1E 169XB (0 - 0 - 0)
MMA general: 5R 40C 175XB (0 - 0 - 0)

From A to Camp 2) 100 Karl, 100 Valkyrie
VETERAN general: 11R 1E 122C 116XB (0 - 2R - 11R)
MAJOR general: 135C 135XB (0 - 0 - 0)
MMA general: 10R 70C 140XB (0 - 0 - 1R)

From A to Camp 3) 120 Housecarl, 80 Valkyrie
VETERAN general: 31R 25M 1E 61C 132XB (31R 17M - 31R 21M - 31R 25M)
MAJOR general: 31R 20M 1E 95C 123XB (31R 10M - 31R 14M - 31R 19M)
MMA general: 68R 2M 10C 140XB (56R - 64R - 68R 2M)

http://static3.thesettlersonline.com/sites/default/themes/siedler/images/common/footer/ornament.pngGarrison Position G2 (Camps 4-7, BLOCK)

Position A: NORMAL general for block
Position B: NORMAL general for block
Position C: VETERAN general
Position Random: MMA general (Note: MMA is needed for camp 4, while Vet is needed for block. You can place MMA in Position C, just remember to switch with Vet before block.)

Note: 9 Feb 2013 changed the order the generals are shown in the following diagram to C-B-A.

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For the first attack only your MMA general or VETERAN general is needed:

From C to Camp 4) 100 Housecarl, 100 Valkyrie
MMA general: 63R 2M 50C 105XB (42R - 51R - 63R)
VETERAN general: 17R 25M 1E 102C 105XB (17R 14M - 17R 20M - 17R 25M)


Send all generals after each other with a small pause between each. There is a lot of time in this block and so you don't have to be too fast.

From A to Camp 5) 140 Housecarl, 60 Valkyrie
BLOCKING NORMAL general: 124E 76C {minimum 270 seconds to end of battle, rounds 10 - 12 - 18}

Wait 3 seconds

From B to Camp 6) 200 Housecarl
BLOCKING NORMAL general: 59S 111E 30XB {minimum 270 seconds to end of battle, rounds 7 - 7.9 - 12}

Wait 3 seconds

From C to Camp 7) 100 Housecarl, 90 Berserk
VETERAN general: 55R 29M 1S 165XB (55R 15M - 55R 23M - 55R 29M) {maximum 215 seconds to end of battle}


http://static3.thesettlersonline.com/sites/default/themes/siedler/images/common/footer/ornament.pngGarrison Position G3 (Camps 8-10, BLOCK)

Position A: NORMAL general for block
Position B: NORMAL general for block
Position C: VETERAN general or MMA general

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Send all generals after each other in the order A, B, C. Don't be too quick sending your generals, the biggest risk is getting intercepted by the camp you are trying to bypass so count to 3 between each send.

From A to Camp 8) 130 Housecarl, 70 Valkyrie
BLOCKING NORMAL general: 5S 110E 82C {minimum 250 seconds to end of battle, rounds 10 - 11 - 14}

Wait 3 seconds

From B to Camp 9) 130 Housecarl, 70 Valkyrie
BLOCKING NORMAL general: 137E 31C {minimum 250 seconds to end of battle, rounds 8 - 10 - 16}

Wait 3 seconds

From C to Camp 10) 100 Jomviking, 90 Valkyrie
MMA general: 65R 15C 140XB (40R - 50R - 65R) {2 rounds to end battle}
VETERAN general: 74R 1E 65C 110XB (57R - 66R - 74R) {maximum 190 seconds to end of battle}


http://static3.thesettlersonline.com/sites/default/themes/siedler/images/common/footer/ornament.pngGarrison Position G4 (Camps 11-15, BLOCK)

Position A: NORMAL general for block
Position B: NORMAL general for block
Position C: NORMAL general for block
Position D: VETERAN general or MMA general

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For the first attack only your MMA general or VETERAN general is needed:

From D to Camp 11) 100 Housecarl, 100 Valkyrie
MMA general: 63R 2M 50C 105XB (42R - 51R - 63R)
VETERAN general: 17R 25M 1S 102C 105XB (17R 14M - 17R 20M - 17R 25M)

Send all generals after each other in the order A, B, C, D. Don't be too quick sending your generals, the biggest risk is getting intercepted by the camp you are trying to bypass so count to 3 between each send.

From A to Camp 12) 90 Housecarl, 110 Valkyrie
BLOCKING NORMAL general: 61E 139C {minimum 250 seconds to end of battle, rounds 9 - 10 - 16}

Wait 3 seconds

From B to Camp 14) 120 Housecarl, 80 Berserk
BLOCKING NORMAL general: 75S 118E 7XB {minimum 245 seconds to end of battle, rounds 7 - 7 - 9}

Wait 3 seconds

From C to Camp 13) 100 Housecarl, 100 Berserk
BLOCKING NORMAL general: 2M 80S 118E {minimum 250 seconds to end of battle, rounds 8 - 9 - 15}

Wait 3 seconds

From D to Camp 15) 100 Jomviking, 90 Valkyrie
MMA general: 65R 15C 140XB (40R - 50R - 65R) {2 rounds to end battle}
VETERAN general: 74R 1E 65C 110XB (57R - 66R - 74R) {maximum 180 seconds to end of battle}


http://static3.thesettlersonline.com/sites/default/themes/siedler/images/common/footer/ornament.pngGarrison Position G5 (Camps 16-20, BLOCK, LOOTSPOT)

Position A: NORMAL general for block
Position B: NORMAL general for block
Position C: NORMAL general for block
Position D: VETERAN general
Position Random: MMA general (Note: MMA is needed for camp 16, while Vet is needed for block. You can place MMA in Position D, just remember to switch with Vet before block.)

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A lootspot buyer can attack camp 16 with 2R but make sure they do not place their general in the paths of your generals.

For the first attack only your MMA general or VETERAN general is needed:

From D to Camp 16) 150 Housecarl, 50 Valkyrie
MMA general: 60R 15M 5S 140XB (52R - 60R 2M - 60R 11M)
VETERAN general: 48M 1E 34C 167XB (39M - 44M - 48M)


Send all generals after each other in the order A, B, C, D. Don't be too quick sending your generals, the biggest risk is getting intercepted by the camp you are trying to bypass so count to 3 between each send.

From A to Camp 17) 100 Housecarl, 100 Berserk
BLOCKING NORMAL general: 95S 105E {minimum 225 seconds to end of battle, rounds 8 - 10 - 17}

Wait 3 seconds

From B to Camp 18) 160 Housecarl, 40 Valkyrie
BLOCKING NORMAL general: 150E 50C {minimum 260 seconds to end of battle, rounds 10 - 11 - 17}

Wait 3 seconds

From C to Camp 19) 130 Housecarl, 70 Berserk
BLOCKING NORMAL general: 188S 12E {minimum 210 seconds to end of battle, rounds 5 - 5 - 5}

Wait 3 seconds

From D to Camp 20) 120 Jomviking, 80 Berserk
VETERAN general: 20R 25M 24S 1E 180XB (20R 25M 14S - 20R 25M 19S - 20R 25M 23S) {maximum 190 seconds to end of battle}


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All garrison setups have been tested using this simulator (http://settlersonlinesimulator.com/dso_kampfsimulator/en/).
Don't be too quick sending your generals in the blocks the biggest risk is getting intercepted by the camp you are trying to bypass. All blocks have lots of time.

I've put honest effort into this, but I'm only adding MMA to an already finished guide. THE BULK OF THE WORK WAS DONE BEFORE I EVEN STARTED. Please give credit where credit is due.
Brimo

[Sundisno]

Another setup for G4 on Surprise Attack:
The camps positions are good, only the troops for camp A will be 127C and 73E. Then you can with camp A block camp 11 instead of killing that camp. The other camps do the same thing as in the Guide. This save the kill on 11 and 1 step less to do on SA. Count to 4 before sending gen of camp B.

[urgabel]

Edit: I have moved my guide to my own thread, as I plan to add more guides and I want to get feedback and to keep them together.

Guide for Suprise Attack (http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/28328-Guide-urgabel-s-Adventures?p=258039&viewfull=1#post258039) with full blocks, optimized for low population and using Veteran/Major and optionally Martial Arts general.
Average casualties with Veteran + MMA: 192R 41M 31S

[Brimo]

This was (and is) intended as follow-up to PrincessAlly's guide with added MMA. Setup is not optimal by no means. This is not one of evil-j's guides. It intends to lessen the losses by retaining the relatively low difficulty on blocks. I am aware there are more troop-efficient guides out there. However, do note that time-wise must sometimes outweigh troop loss to achieve cost-efficiency. This game is not played in isolation and time for further block + a considerable margin for error must duly be noted. I've only stepped up to provide a more cost-efficient, time-conserving, block-conservative alternative to the most-used exp adventure. All and everyone are more than welcome to correct me in any way possible.

[A-Lia]

Hello Brimo!
Just wanted you to know how much Appreciated -& used- is this Guide of yours!

Many Thanks to you, for the MMA update, and to Princess Ally of course, for the original Guide!!!

Take care!
:)

[Vopicus]

"From C to Camp 19) 130 Housecarl, 70 Berserk
BLOCKING NORMAL general: 188S 12E {minimum 210 seconds to end of battle, rounds 5 - 5 - 5}"

5 Rounds is 100 seconds: Note the battle will be lost so there's no pulldown effect.

Adjust the amount of Elites for a longer block, ideally up to 165ES/35S which will give you a minimum block of 180 seconds (7 rounds + win) and 99% of the cases 200 sec block, but less works too.

[CrazyBat]

"From C to Camp 19) 130 Housecarl, 70 Berserk
BLOCKING NORMAL general: 188S 12E {minimum 210 seconds to end of battle, rounds 5 - 5 - 5}"

5 Rounds is 100 seconds: Note the battle will be lost so there's no pulldown effect.

Adjust the amount of Elites for a longer block, ideally up to 165ES/35S which will give you a minimum block of 180 seconds (7 rounds + win) and 99% of the cases 200 sec block, but less works too.


I have played SA with that block probably 200 times and not once did that setup failed It is a last block in the attack and Main general kills the leader in 2 rounds.

[Vopicus]

Didn't say the block would fail, I havn't tried it, I said the info of the time is wrong, and you can adjust setups to make it longer.

[CrazyBat]

Alright, still no need since last attack lasts 20 seconds. 100 seconds of the block is more then enough.

[Vopicus]

Last attack last up to 40 seconds, and there's walking time to add too.

[CrazyBat]

2-2 rounds - veteran - 20 seconds. Dude, it never fails and I am taking my time with sending out attacks.....

[Vopicus]

2 rounds only take 2 seconds if you loose, when you win you have to pull down the camp too, in this case a camp with 250 hp.

2 Rounds combat = 20 seconds yes, but then the camp have to be removed too, which is another 2 rounds. ((120+40+40)*2>250)

2+2 = 4 rounds = 40 seconds.

As I said I never said the block was apt to fail, the timing information however is wrong, and I pointed out ways it could be made safer, all the way up to extremely safe.

Yes 60 seconds is a decent amount of time to pass through the red area, and if you're happy with that, fine go ahead and continue doing so, if you want to make it safer, I added alternatives. I'm just adding safer alternatives, I'm not trying to force you to use them.

[Brimo]

"From C to Camp 19) 130 Housecarl, 70 Berserk
BLOCKING NORMAL general: 188S 12E {minimum 210 seconds to end of battle, rounds 5 - 5 - 5}"

5 Rounds is 100 seconds: Note the battle will be lost so there's no pulldown effect.

Adjust the amount of Elites for a longer block, ideally up to 165ES/35S which will give you a minimum block of 180 seconds (7 rounds + win) and 99% of the cases 200 sec block, but less works too.

The rounds here are probably copy=paste wrong. This block has a minimum of 210 seconds, which makes it very, very safe.

[Vopicus]

5 rounds (lost) takes 100 seconds, not 210 seconds, you're welcome to time it.

[Moogy7]

nice i waited 3-5 seconds between each send and over 100 elites killed, great..

[Moogy7]

You're right about the interception possibility if u dont count to 3, but the problem is 3 sec is not enough, i counted 5 seconds and they still got intercepted by the same camp and i lost 100 elites, kinda annoyed at this guide for guiding me into useless blocking. Because the wiki has a safer way to do this, without losing so much casualties or taking so much risks.
Sure the wiki guide takes a little bit longer but u dont lose so many.

[Xibor]

Sure the wiki guide takes a little bit longer but u dont lose so many.

Agreed - if you follow the wiki guide the blocks are probably the most stable in all the advanced adventures. I lost a lot of elite once but only because I was positioned wrong - my fault and not the guide. The jury is still out if you can make the final attacks (4 camps plus leader in the bottom right) in one attack - I know its been tried - but otherwise, if you are careful and use the wiki guide the adventure is easily done.