Full Resource Payback when Buildings Demolished

[Nuttymut]

Game development has caught me out more than once when balancing my economy.

I'd like to see resources returned to a player in full when they demolish a building.

Having to knock down L5 buildings which cost granite and exotic wood to construct, especially due to game development, is particularly unpallatable.

[Peajay]

+1

Also costs for moving buildings is too high.

[Faststriker]

A full payback i can´t agree to, but to get some more of the resources i´m all for. Instead of only the cost of the lvl 1 Building a payback of about 20-25% of all resources spent on upgrading to lvl 5.

[Bluesavanah]

You have several choice in settlers, firstly whether to plant the building in the first place, then 4 more choices about whether to upgrade it. There's no need to refund any more than already happens it's part of the strategy.

Here's a tip for you as well, make sure it's in the right place before any level 5 upgrade is finished.

[PChamps]

You have several choice in settlers, firstly whether to plant the building in the first place, then 4 more choices about whether to upgrade it. There's no need to refund any more than already happens it's part of the strategy.

Here's a tip for you as well, make sure it's in the right place before any level 5 upgrade is finished.

Why I do sort of agree with this I also see it from the other point of view. BB introduce improved silos and warehouses long after the existing warehouses and silos. To be able to replace the existing I would need to remove them in cases like this I think a full refund should be due. If BB introduce new buildings that super seed old buildings then maybe for the first week of them being out they offer full refunds on level 5 buildings that they replace. This is beneficial for BB in terms of people spending gems to buy the buildings quick while they can get a full refund on the old version.

[Bertolucci79]

In just a week you will not have enough stuff to move around buildings to fit the new one in the best way, on all spots.

Secondly if you are having silo's and warehouses upgraded to level 5 you must be playing long enough to know how expensive the granite is you spent.
So no i don't think you oughtta get it back.
Just play adventures and get new granite :P

[PChamps]

In just a week you will not have enough stuff to move around buildings to fit the new one in the best way, on all spots.

Secondly if you are having silo's and warehouses upgraded to level 5 you must be playing long enough to know how expensive the granite is you spent.
So no i don't think you oughtta get it back.
Just play adventures and get new granite :P

You would be surprised what one can do in a week. Anyway that was just an example could do the first month. I know how expensive granite is, that is exactly the reason I am agreeing with this post by saying when BB bring out a new building well after existing ones which are better they should make a grace period to get a full refund this would encourage people to buy them. If I knew I would get my hard earned granite back for all my level 5 silos I would have maybe spent gems buying improved ones.

[Nuttymut]

You have several choice in settlers, firstly whether to plant the building in the first place, then 4 more choices about whether to upgrade it. There's no need to refund any more than already happens it's part of the strategy.

Here's a tip for you as well, make sure it's in the right place before any level 5 upgrade is finished.

I don't have a choice in when BB release new buildings which supersede existing. I currently have 93 silo's. If they were all advanced to L5 (as was my original goal) then I would now be out of pocket for a serious amount of Granite and Exowood due in absolutely no part to my own choices. It is more than clear to me that BB have introduced the Improved Silo because the overall gem cost for the first version was stratospheric and they needed to address that.

When BB roll out a new building and tell me that it's better than the first I'm not necessarily going to want to agree with them. And the reason for that is simple. Agreement with them comes out of my pocket. And in all honesty BB should man up and admit they have made a mistake, albeit with the wonderful benefit of hindsight. But expecting me to pay for the new improved silo's and the granite and exowood is, perhaps, gratuitous.

Indeed I'd go one step further and I'd strongly suggest that BB consider how they protect paying players in the future from this sort of issue. Those who choose not to pay have exercised their choice. Those who choose to pay have indeed kept the entire process alive.

Making a building obsolete which someone has paid for can't rank up there in the top ten of marketing ploys.

Even a farmer knows you can only milk a cow so many times before it has no more milk to offer.

Best
Nutters :-)

[Dorotheus]

Shout it from the top of the mountains, hold a bake sale, have a parade, what ever it takes to get this out of your systems. The simple fact is 100% refund is never going to happen.

[Bluesavanah]

With silo's I agree to an extent, but as Dorotheus states it's never going to happen, your also faced with an even tougher choice soon regarding farms and you'll have to think really carefully how you approach it.

On the bright side given that you originally had a layout taking up 186 squares plus a few for field and storage, your wheat production will take up considerably less in future if you encompass the new stuff.

[Bertolucci79]

Nuttymut, sell your silo's 3 at a time (whenever you have enough gems for improved silo) for granite and you will have your level 5 costs for improved silo right back from the trade office.

Silo's might be obsolete to you as a paying player lvl 50 in need of buildingspace, but for lvl 40 player non paying the building might still have value in reducing Island maintenance at the point where there are going to be ever more farmfields collapsing daily.
Just like the houses may become obsolete with the introduction of frozen manors, they also still have market value.

Exo wood isn't all that expensive (on TradeOffice) and hardly worth mentioning here.

OW btw gemprize of 3 silo vs 1 improved silo differs 5 or 10 gem?? (maintenance at the moment so can't check) so your idea that BB would introduce the improved one cuz of gemcost seems farfetched, unless you are telling me you buy exowood and granite with gems instead of adventuring, lootspotting and trading to get them???????
(I myself pay for gempits now and then, but i will never spend even 1 gem on resources i can get for free from gameplay)

Bluesavanah that's maybe why grout is invented and level 6 instead off creating an improved farm.

[Nuttymut]

Shout it from the top of the mountains, hold a bake sale, have a parade, what ever it takes to get this out of your systems. The simple fact is 100% refund is never going to happen.

No. The simple fact is this. I have put it forward a suggestion. Which is clearly what this board is for. That's fact. And in putting it forward to BB as a suggestion I would expect it to at least go through a process which means it is considered.

You're speculation is of course merely that. Pure conjecture. There is no credible reason for you to suggest it will not happen.

It would be prudent to discuss facts as they stand. There is nothing preventing BB from considering the suggestion and there is nothing preventing them from implementing it. That's fact. Your comment isn't fact, it's speculation and conjecture.

It serves no purpose. This board is for suggestions. It is not for anything else. That's fact.

[Dorotheus]

Fact: You get 25% back from tearing down a level 1 building. Why should you have the expectation that BB will give you 100% from a level 5 based on the afore mentioned fact. So far your argument has demonstrated I'm not the one wearing rose tinted glasses.

[Sharpielein]

While it would be nice to get refunds, the counter-argument is: "You got the value out of the level 5 building already".

I mean, it's not like you get a full refund from Ford for your 10-year old car just because a new, superior model comes out. Not even if you maintained the car well all the time, not even if you tuned and pimped it for a couple grand. You bought it, you used it, you can get a new one anytime - but you're not forced to.

Also, the game is in dire need of resource sinks, and full refunds would make it just a bit too easy to end up having more resources than you'd ever need.

[aklbr]

Shout it from the top of the mountains, hold a bake sale, have a parade, what ever it takes to get this out of your systems. The simple fact is 100% refund is never going to happen.

How about a 'buff' that returns the value they ask, special 10% drop from one of them stupid adventures like GP?

[Proliator]

I like the idea of 100% refunds on demolishing a building but this will need to be balanced out if implemented on.

A new player up to say level 15 could get 100% refund on demolishing a building as they are now starting out and getting used to the game, its mechanics, timings and placements.

Whereas as a player say 16-25 would have a better idea of the game, mechanics and timings so maybe 70% refund

Players 26-35 have played longer, become more adept and are exposed to adventures now so maybe 40% refund

Then players 36-45 are considered as Veterans and subsequently maybe a 10% refund

Then there is the level 46-50 Elite, the fully developed player who is well versed in just about every aspect of the game, its mechanics, timings and placements maybe a 0% refund on demolishing.

What this does is it creates opportunities to learn from mistakes at earlier levels with less to no penalty, and in some cases aiding to part thereof their own economy and income.

This also penalises the seasoned players for not making adjustments from mistakes earlier on and not only provides a greater challenge for players as they level to be as efficient as possible but also provides a greater risk to reward ratio for them even though most of the players in this category will probably not change up their island much anyway.

[Steve1077]

Truth of the matter is BB pretend to listen but that's about as far as it goes, just look at the improved silo, those of us that spent a fortune on normal silo asked for an option to exchange them for the improved silo or have some sort of upgrade option in the market, BB said oh yes we will take that on board and think about, we also asked for it to be able to replace 3 normal silo rather than a dumb 2.7, and what happened? Nothing, they just ignored us and went ahead with it with no modifications at all, so why do any of us even bother posting in here?

So like it has been said, its never going to happen :p