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The company's responsibility was to fix the glitch as soon as it was discovered. Now it is possible that the glitch was already appearant during testing and in that case they had the responsibility to fix it before that. However if it wasn't then they did what they had to. Aka fix the glitch as soon as they could. This includes time to make the patch, time before it was reported/discovered, etc etc. Did they do the second yes. So that responsibility they had they covered quite neatly I'd say. However if they already knew about the glitch and still released it, they should apologize for that. Should they allow you to keep the stuff you got because of the glitch? No way in heck. You continuously clicking and relogging: your responsibility and the consequenses of that are for you. Not to mention the fact they let people keep UP TO THREE for free as a way of saying: yeah our bad there was a glitch, so those three we consider an accident and our fault. Sooooo yeah they have been rather generous I'd say.
Generous? Are you serious? Do you remember when the bluebyte give the german players to buy 3x gems sales on the baloon event? Or you have short memory and dont remember that?
And the topic is here:
http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/24664-Happy-hour
Is this action of the company fair for the others European players or its against them(cheat)?
What on earth does that have to do with this? Absolutely NOTHING. This is not about whether it's fair they got a bigger discount event then we did ... this is about the fact they let people that abused a glitch keep 3 improved warehouses. Unless they abused the glitch more then they had to return them ... So yeah they could have been REALLY heavy handed and demanded everyone give back all warehouses they shouldn't have had. But no they didn't. There have already been people that admitted they have gotten 3 and that it wasn't a mistake. These people go FREE. They are allowed to keep them. No consequences, NOTHING. And just because they didn't have the same event in a different regional settlers it is ok now to abuse a glitch here is what you are saying?
Go ahead ... find me a store that has the same prices in every freaking country with the same events. Let me tell you something funny. If I buy something directly from creative Europe I pay MORE then if I would buy from Creative US. And if I buy from a Dutch reseller I pay LESS then if I would it from Creative Europe. (last time I checked the Dutch were still part of Europe so rather weird prices vary between Creative Europe and a reseller). They all have different Events too (price sales).
And yes these are 3 internet sites that sell Creative brand items. Cheating? Hardly. Different countries, different rules, different advantages.
So why you are bringing that up here in a topic about a glitch that was abused by players? No idea ....
Thejollyone
24.07.14, 17:33
BB want the items back, and looking at other server forums, there will likely be no further argument over it. My advice is to get them in star ready for the exchange.
What on earth does that have to do with this? Absolutely NOTHING. This is not about whether it's fair they got a bigger discount event then we did ... this is about the fact they let people that abused a glitch keep 3 improved warehouses. Unless they abused the glitch more then they had to return them ... So yeah they could have been REALLY heavy handed and demanded everyone give back all warehouses they shouldn't have had. But no they didn't. There have already been people that admitted they have gotten 3 and that it wasn't a mistake. These people go FREE. They are allowed to keep them. No consequences, NOTHING. And just because they didn't have the same event in a different regional settlers it is ok now to abuse a glitch here is what you are saying?
Go ahead ... find me a store that has the same prices in every freaking country with the same events. Let me tell you something funny. If I buy something directly from creative Europe I pay MORE then if I would buy from Creative US. And if I buy from a Dutch reseller I pay LESS then if I would it from Creative Europe. (last time I checked the Dutch were still part of Europe so rather weird prices vary between Creative Europe and a reseller). They all have different Events too (price sales).
And yes these are 3 internet sites that sell Creative brand items. Cheating? Hardly. Different countries, different rules, different advantages.
So why you are bringing that up here in a topic about a glitch that was abused by players? No idea ....
Do you read the topic?
The balloon event is common on all of servers of settlers in the world
And the company gives the advantage of the 3x gems sales to the german servers and not in the same time to the other servers Is that fair or cheat?
wolf_man95
24.07.14, 17:48
What complete and utter tosh children do no generate a sense of morality until they reach about 10 to 12 other wise they just obey what there parents tell them an yes if tso had contacted me about this issues and told me that this is what had happened then yes i would be able to explain to him what was going on, understand a child dose not think like and adult about corporation about profits everything in there life is free, so would they have known they were doing wrong no they would not, would i have been able to tell him that u cannot do that no i would not cos it shouldn't happen he shouldn't of been able to do it in the first place, no I'm affrade at 7 years old the difference between right and wrong is Mommy or daddy tells me i should do that cos its wrong, as a parent he knows not to bully that is a completely different argument, but being able to do something he should not of been able to do how is an adult going to be able to help there child in that situation, is it something u would teach your children, " now jacob if u have a chance to get something and u know that the game is giving u it and is should not and everyone else has had a go u shouldn't cos it will cost BB a lot of money " YEAH thats standard parenting practise isn't it, I will say again I'm not saying it was wrong to recall the imp's but the manner in which it was done is not suitable for children. Rhylian can u tell me how many paragraphs are in the windows 8 t's an c's and exactly what points are covered, cos i would take a bet on 95% of the adult population not knowing never mind 7 year olds, hell Apple give me a new set on every update do i read them from front to back each time no.
Ah and how many times people have complained about something and then found out the ToS that had been changed and they didn't bother to read it? Yeah ... not the companies fault. Also since when is it a company's responsibility to keep track of what age someone is? And how would they know who is the parent of a child that abused a glitch? SERIOUS? Are you daft? If you teach him not to bully that does not guarantee he will not do it online. Why else do you think we have hordes of 13 year olds saying how they did your mother, on Xbox and PS? Is it the responsibility of the company to check their language? No they just wait till they get a report and BAN. They certainly are NOT going to contact you first to ask if you would pretty please talk to your child and teach him not be a douche online ....
Ah and how many times people have complained about something and then found out the ToS that had been changed and they didn't bother to read it? Yeah ... not the companies fault. Also since when is it a company's responsibility to keep track of what age someone is? And how would they know who is the parent of a child that abused a glitch? SERIOUS? Are you daft? If you teach him not to bully that does not guarantee he will not do it online. Why else do you think we have hordes of 13 year olds saying how they did your mother, on Xbox and PS? Is it the responsibility of the company to check their language? No they just wait till they get a report and BAN. They certainly are NOT going to contact you first to ask if you would pretty please talk to your child and teach him not be a douche online ....
How many players "cheated" in your server?
How many players "cheated" in your server?
How would I know? o_O
How would I know? o_O
Do you believe if the company ban all of them what the gain for the Bluebyte?
Do you believe if the company ban all of them what the gain for the Bluebyte?
The gain? The certainty that less people might abuse a future glitch if such a thing were to happen again and they will need to do less damage control
The gain? The certainty that less people might abuse a future glitch if such a thing were to happen again and they will need to do less damage control
And why me or you or anyone player continue to spend real money if in an future glitch we make an accidentally use of this they ban us?
Do you believe if the company ban all of them what the gain for the Bluebyte?
if they let them to have stores it will be unfair for the ppl who already gave stores including me .they will remove from their islands i think.its on bb hands what will do. not yours
You don't "accidentally" relog and re-click something more then 2 times really .... unless you are braindamaged. Wanna know how many extra stores I got? ZERO. Did I know of the glitch? Yes. Did I pay for the game? Yes. So yeah I am not stupid enough to risk my account over a glitch. So stop saying you accidentally clicked 10 times .... that is complete nonsense
You don't "accidentally" relog and re-click something more then 2 times really .... unless you are braindamaged. Wanna know how many extra stores I got? ZERO. Did I know of the glitch? Yes. Did I pay for the game? Yes. So yeah I am not stupid enough to risk my account over a glitch. So stop saying you accidentally clicked 10 times .... that is complete nonsense
If the bluebyte ban the players for the bad programming of the company i personally dont spend a single euro for the game again and your excuses with the players is breached the rules of the game is nonsense to me
If the bluebyte ban the players for the bad programming of the company i personally dont spend a single euro for the game again and your excuses with the players is breached the rules of the game is nonsense to me
lol better not play any other online games then. They all have a ToS which YOU accepted when signing up. And they will all ban you for abusing a glitch. Heck go ahead and abuse a glitch on WoW. You think they will ask you to return the items? HAHAHAHA no. You just wake up and then find out you cannot login anymore at all. Without warning.
lol better not play any other online games then. They all have a ToS which YOU accepted when signing up. And they will all ban you for abusing a glitch. Heck go ahead and abuse a glitch on WoW. You think they will ask you to return the items? HAHAHAHA no. You just wake up and then find out you cannot login anymore at all. Without warning.
Play alone then
And make joke of you let the company to ban all the players to prevent them from an abuse of a future glitch HAHAHA
Play alone then
And make joke of you let the company to ban all the players to prevent them from an abuse of a future glitch HAHAHA
Nah more then enough people sensible enough not to abuse a glitch and risk their account :P
*yawn*
Time to close this one I reckon
lol better not play any other online games then. They all have a ToS which YOU accepted when signing up. And they will all ban you for abusing a glitch. Heck go ahead and abuse a glitch on WoW. You think they will ask you to return the items? HAHAHAHA no. You just wake up and then find out you cannot login anymore at all. Without warning.
+1
A lot of people here are thinking about "worst case scenario".. Why? You've been given chances to get even again..
Yes, BB could have handled this a lot better, though if you exploited the bug and think you have valid reasons to give back no imp storehouse.. Fine, stick with it, but please.. Stop whine about it here!
sorry point still stands i don't disagree with BB about the imp's but i do disagree with this method, the answer is simple remove or leave, without this return them of u will get a perma ban rubbish
Exactly where have you read about a "perma ban"?
Reread the mails and FAQ and you'll just see "your account will not be banned"-answers to "Will I get banned.."-questions..
*yawn*
Time to close this one I reckon
+1
Generous? Are you serious? Do you remember when the bluebyte give the german players to buy 3x gems sales on the baloon event? Or you have short memory and dont remember that?
And the topic is here:
http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/24664-Happy-hour
Is this action of the company fair for the others European players or its against them(cheat)?
To be fair, the EU-server BB did give us the same offer when we pointed it out.
Mannerheim
24.07.14, 20:54
According to some other site GM (don't remember if it was Poland or some else) everyone was going to have 3x offer anyways and did. They don't have the gem sales same day or even week on each site as each place have them own culture and time zones. Dunno if they launch the sales based on trends and analysis from where they know when its most profitable times of month to run one.
wolf_man95
24.07.14, 22:22
Exactly where have you read about a "perma ban"?
Reread the mails and FAQ and you'll just see "your account will not be banned"-answers to "Will I get banned.."-questions..
As a result of not giving them back.
wolf_man95
24.07.14, 22:27
The gain? The certainty that less people might abuse a future glitch if such a thing were to happen again and they will need to do less damage control
You don't have children do you buddy, and yes the company can stop children playing they know the game is pegi-7 so content filters will allow the game through, lift the pegi to say pegi-16 and content filters will block access to the game meaning when BB wants to treat us like adults it can quite freely.
Hmm, whilst I am in favour of exploits being closed and the ill-gotten gains removed (remember the Parrot farce?), it does rankle somewhat to hear of items not being replaced due to bugs in the opposite favour. What's sauce for the goose... etc.
As a result of not giving them back.
You'd probably be banned, yes.. And probably a parent to a child with a banned account would step in now to sort it out, don't you think?
already been said that it was not obvious that were the 4 or less storehouse mistakes or exploiting (one normal click, 1 extra click at start, 2 clicks at end) more than 4 total is something that was not normal according to statistics and was considered exploiting. There is no point to cause more problem than needed.
so 'let's reward the ones who exploited the glitch 1x... and punish the ones that did it more than once..."
again. seem legit.
In BB's words. "fair play" for those that exploit a TINY bit.
Salem_Warrior_1
25.07.14, 07:15
*yawn*
Time to close this one I reckon
+1
so 'let's reward the ones who exploited the glitch 1x... and punish the ones that did it more than once..."
again. seem legit.
In BB's words. "fair play" for those that exploit a TINY bit.
Well they also don't reward those that DIDN'T abuse the glitch.
Mannerheim
25.07.14, 13:16
so 'let's reward the ones who exploited the glitch 1x... and punish the ones that did it more than once..."
again. seem legit.
In BB's words. "fair play" for those that exploit a TINY bit.
It's not rewarding but technically impossible to detect who clicked by mistake and who did not with small amount. Are you suggesting that everyone with even one extra should have given it back? that would mean large portion of the player base where most did not even try to exploit. Now it was limited to a very small group who mostly did it on purpose.
And in case you did not read it properly what you had to do to get on the exploiter list I suggest you read it again. It was not about one or two clicks.
There are two more posts in 28758-Multiple-Improved-Storehouses (http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/28758-Multiple-Improved-Storehouses?p=262763&viewfull=1#post262763)..
Why don't I get an additional storehouse for not abusing the exploit?
As explained earlier, every Improved Storehouse integrated into the game had an effect on the overall balance. Our goal is to restore the balance and this would have the opposite effect.
What balance do you find most important? The ever inflating economy ingame or the ever inflating dissatisfaction of how things are handled..
Thank you Ravel for posting the expanded Q&A concerning this issue. Sadly, most of my questions were answered by saying that those questions are not to be discussed. Will those answers never be provided, or is it just publicly that they will not be discussed but I should look for a response from support? As for the remainder, which concerned the after-effects of reporting that I will not be returning all SHs, I am still confused as to whether they will be addressed by support or forums, as each has indicted they will be answered by the other.
I understand and appreciate the explanation of why the Hack & Cheat category for Support was used rather than Problem with the Game, although the use of terms like "bad intention" and "dishonest motives" seem to contradict that.
There have been a lot of bugs in this game already, no one got punished. Why now?
Earlier bugs and players who abused them are under no consideration here. This callback is only because of the bug from Saturday, July 12th at the end of the Calendar.
The bug at the start of the event was way bigger (complete Calendar could be opened). A callback of all resources gathered, because of that bug, will not be done. A single structure can be called back easily and with a maximum of data security.
Finally, it is quite interesting to learn more about BB's version of "fair play", by which players who do not return all SHs will be threatened with punishment and bans, but those who used the "way bigger" full calendar bug are apparently exonerated of all "bad intentions" and "dishonest motives." That is an unfortunately creative use of the term "fair," but I thank you for the clarifications.
So...Who got the most storehouses from the bug? I thought maybe it was a competition from BB. Whoever gets the most storehouses from a bug wins a gem pit?
(...) but those who abused the "way bigger" full calendar bug are apparently exonerated of all "bad intentions" and "dishonest motives."
There were people who clicked accidentally there too and others who didn't. There are bound to be some players who intentionally abused the early calendar bug and the end of event bug to a greater extent... I don't think there's any exoneration going on, just damage limitation.
I'd value what I got off the bugs in this event at 15kgc. If they had some kind of in-game resource sink that didn't really do anything I'd throw that coin at it and any message I got about "fair play" I'd already have a clear conscience about anyway without donating the 15kgc.
I would thank you in the future to not change words in quotes that you are attributing to me. What I wrote was not an indictment of those using the earlier bugs in the calendar, but surprise at BB's definition of "fair play" that not only will there be no reclamation of goods (or as they have called the SHs, "wrongfully acquired" goods) from the exploitation of earlier bugs, but that other exploits are not even to be discussed. Meanwhile, the SHs are being reclaimed WITH THREATS because it is easy for them to do so.
Thejollyone
26.07.14, 17:07
this is boring now - pay up, close thread, move on...
I would thank you in the future to not change words in quotes that you are attributing to me.
Myeah, I changed the word because "used" isn't appropriate and underlined it so it was obvious. You discover a bug accidentally or you find it and abuse it... By definition you don't "use" a bug.
What I wrote was not an indictment of those using the earlier bugs in the calendar, but surprise at BB's definition of "fair play" that not only will there be no reclamation of goods (or as they have called the SHs, "wrongfully acquired" goods) from the exploitation of earlier bugs, but that other exploits are not even to be discussed.
Considering the length of time that has lapsed since the start of the event and the variety of goods that were on offer from the calendar do you really expect them to go back, try to figure out which player owes what and attempt to reclaim everything from the earlier incident as well as dealing with the fallout from the end of the event ?
Considering what you've written it seems the options you're presenting are (a) take flak for the handling of this recall and not acting on the earlier one or (b) take flak for the handling of this recall and start up a second recall that's likely to be messier and create more bad blood than the first.
Meanwhile, the SHs are being reclaimed WITH THREATS because it is easy for them to do so.
Agreed.
this is boring now - pay up, close thread, move on...
+1
I'm watching Netflix and it's a poop film, needed something to do. :o
... do you really expect them to go back, try to figure out which player owes what and attempt to reclaim everything from the earlier incident as well as dealing with the fallout from the end of the event ?
Considering what you've written it seems the options you're presenting are (a) take flak for the handling of this recall and not acting on the earlier one or (b) take flak for the handling of this recall and start up a second recall that's likely to be messier and create more bad blood than the first.
Yes I do. foofygirl makes fair comment considering the state that the event was in when it was presented to the players. Considering that BB knew that it had serious problems, if they intend to use threats with menaces in the guise of fair play they should apply it to all the bugs that may have been (ab)used during the event. Better yet, they should apply it to none and learn from the experience for the future. There was ample warning that the event was full of bugs from the test site users, as I know because I was one of them.
Foofygirl did not propose that anyone else be penalized; she simply pointed out that the penalty had been unequally and therefore unfairly applied, in the name of "fair play." and I agree with her.
Certain posters continue to forget or ignore that some players cannot return the ISHs because they are not available in T.O. and the players in question do not have enough gems. They are not complaining about nothing.
A small number of players active on forum apparently would be pleased to have such an injury befall their fellow players. I would not.
There would have been far less bad blood had BB reacted promptly, not 6 days after the event close. If they felt they absolutely had to get the extra ISHs back, they should have requested their return, politely and without menaces. This disastrous PR episode has done untold damage to the relationship between the community and BB and between the players themselves and that is on BBs heads and their heads alone.
For the record I was not one of those who had to return ISHs. However, since BB chose to send out the event "as is", it was not unreasonable for players to think that BB was ready to accept the consequences of the bad code it was ready to release. Therefore I have no quarrel with the players who want to keep the extra storehouses.
Yes I do.
Well if you expect all that to happen then fair enough, it's a nuts idea though. :rolleyes:
If I knew someone would couldn't pay back, I'd help them out. No-one has asked me... :confused:
what a disaster. The bug was a bad one, the solution dissatisfying, and it looks like BB just carries on as usual.
It was bad design to start with. But I havent seen a *sorry we messed up*, the closest that comes to an excuse is "We are all human".
It's a way too relaxed attitude that keeps BB from improving their performance. After each and every bug, the WC had at least 2 major bugs, they just carry on saying *hey well, everyone makes mistakes you know. Peace!* But I want to see the developers being disappointed with how things went, BB has to realize this was a bad executed job, and they disappointed a lot of people. Only if they realize this was their mistake and it should not be allowed to happen again, then they can look into ways to improve. Like... look at the feedback from the testserver perhaps. If they simply lack talent in some aspects, hire experienced people who are capable.
If I make a mistake at work, I do feel annoyed and I do look into the problem. How did it happen, what can I do to prevent it from happening again. I do share both mistake and follow-up actions with my colleages, so we can all learn from the events. Indeed we're all human, making a mistake is part life. Some humans try to learn from it, sother humans work at BB.
Somehow the FAQ about the improved storehouses is a pretty decent one. I didn't know BB was capable of communicating. Which makes it even stranger they usually dont say anything. Now we know they are capable of typing up a response, but apparently they just bluntly refuse. A pervious community manager announced a regular feedback on the suggestions for example, but even the much supported call to increase the 25# limit in the barracks, or the suggestion to stack items in the star menu remains without answer from BB.
It looks like too many people at BB just dont care. They dont care to communicate and share the answer they do have. They dont care to improve, since they whole company just lets them get away with the *we're all humans* answer on all mistakes. But running The Settlers is not a hobby, it's a professional job. Take a little honour in (trying) to do it well. Its a product lots of people pay or have paid for, a little more professional attitude is not too much to ask for.
what a disaster. The bug was a bad one, the solution dissatisfying, and it looks like BB just carries on as usual.
It was bad design to start with. But I havent seen a *sorry we messed up*, the closest that comes to an excuse is "We are all human".
It's a way too relaxed attitude that keeps BB from improving their performance. After each and every bug, the WC had at least 2 major bugs, they just carry on saying *hey well, everyone makes mistakes you know. Peace!* But I want to see the developers being disappointed with how things went, BB has to realize this was a bad executed job, and they disappointed a lot of people. Only if they realize this was their mistake and it should not be allowed to happen again, then they can look into ways to improve. Like... look at the feedback from the testserver perhaps. If they simply lack talent in some aspects, hire experienced people who are capable.
If I make a mistake at work, I do feel annoyed and I do look into the problem. How did it happen, what can I do to prevent it from happening again. I do share both mistake and follow-up actions with my colleages, so we can all learn from the events. Indeed we're all human, making a mistake is part life. Some humans try to learn from it, sother humans work at BB.
Somehow the FAQ about the improved storehouses is a pretty decent one. I didn't know BB was capable of communicating. Which makes it even stranger they usually dont say anything. Now we know they are capable of typing up a response, but apparently they just bluntly refuse. A pervious community manager announced a regular feedback on the suggestions for example, but even the much supported call to increase the 25# limit in the barracks, or the suggestion to stack items in the star menu remains without answer from BB.
It looks like too many people at BB just dont care. They dont care to communicate and share the answer they do have. They dont care to improve, since they whole company just lets them get away with the *we're all humans* answer on all mistakes. But running The Settlers is not a hobby, it's a professional job. Take a little honour in (trying) to do it well. Its a product lots of people pay or have paid for, a little more professional attitude is not too much to ask for.
Everything in the above bears saying twice...
what a disaster. The bug was a bad one, the solution dissatisfying, and it looks like BB just carries on as usual.
It was bad design to start with. But I havent seen a *sorry we messed up*, the closest that comes to an excuse is "We are all human".
It's a way too relaxed attitude that keeps BB from improving their performance. After each and every bug, the WC had at least 2 major bugs, they just carry on saying *hey well, everyone makes mistakes you know. Peace!* But I want to see the developers being disappointed with how things went, BB has to realize this was a bad executed job, and they disappointed a lot of people. Only if they realize this was their mistake and it should not be allowed to happen again, then they can look into ways to improve. Like... look at the feedback from the testserver perhaps. If they simply lack talent in some aspects, hire experienced people who are capable.
If I make a mistake at work, I do feel annoyed and I do look into the problem. How did it happen, what can I do to prevent it from happening again. I do share both mistake and follow-up actions with my colleages, so we can all learn from the events. Indeed we're all human, making a mistake is part life. Some humans try to learn from it, sother humans work at BB.
Somehow the FAQ about the improved storehouses is a pretty decent one. I didn't know BB was capable of communicating. Which makes it even stranger they usually dont say anything. Now we know they are capable of typing up a response, but apparently they just bluntly refuse. A pervious community manager announced a regular feedback on the suggestions for example, but even the much supported call to increase the 25# limit in the barracks, or the suggestion to stack items in the star menu remains without answer from BB.
It looks like too many people at BB just dont care. They dont care to communicate and share the answer they do have. They dont care to improve, since they whole company just lets them get away with the *we're all humans* answer on all mistakes. But running The Settlers is not a hobby, it's a professional job. Take a little honour in (trying) to do it well. Its a product lots of people pay or have paid for, a little more professional attitude is not too much to ask for.
Well said :-)
dodos_manus
28.07.14, 13:33
Regarding Multiple Improved Storehouses (2nd & 3rd post) by BB_Ravel
http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/28758-Multiple-Improved-Storehouses?p=262763&viewfull=1#post262763
Reading the text of the replies, I would say it is at the right level and well worded. Actually determines the level of error made by both sides. I believe that such an initial text would solve many of the misunderstandings that arose in all directions.
I have nothing further to add to this debate.
I was reminded of something this morning:
If the "balance" of the game is so important, why hasn't the lack of balance of the cannon making buildings been addressed in the last 3 years?
I was reminded of something this morning:
If the "balance" of the game is so important, why hasn't the lack of balance of the cannon making buildings been addressed in the last 3 years?
The high end weapon structures being virtually useless is an issue, no argument there, but the fact that it's pointless switching them on and only really worth placing them and upgrading them to complete quests doesn't create an imbalance that needs to be immediately addressed whereas the spoils of the event do. If the high end weapon structures were broken and they could churn out countless high end items at virtually no cost which could then be sold on for a massive profit I'd say that'd be something that needed sorting pretty quick, as it stands it's the exact opposite of that so likely no-one in BB land is too bothered that we've sunk a ton of resources in to sleeping buildings.
Due to the many requests in this regard and the constant trend of this thread to go off-topic, the thread will now be closed.
Not trying to threaten anyone, but as a reminder, there's maintenance tonight so don't forget to put the Improved Storehouses in the Star Menu (if you so choose).
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