View Full Version : Upgrades to the Magnificent Residence
Sharpielein
22.07.14, 04:00
Prequel:
The Magnificent Residence is currently the most expensive building and it is also strong sink for highend resources.
The problem:
Unfortunately, it is not the most space-efficient building (125 settlers per size of a Frozen Manor for a total of 500 using the space of 4 Manors), so it is widely ignored by people who have the resources required to obtain it and most wealthy players who have these Residences go over to sell them in favour of Frozen Manors - which is a pity for an epic item!
Solution:
Let us upgrade the Magnificent Residence to the point where every player's dream would be to have a level 5 Magnificient Residence on their island.
Suggestion:
Let the Heroic Little Tailor, the "grand finale" of the Fairytales adventures, award a new item called "Magnificent Bricks" in the slot where other Fairytales currently drop followup adventures.
The Magnificient Bricks could be used to upgrade the Magnificient Residence as follows:
Level 2: 1000 Beanstalks + 1 Magnificient Bricks (+75 Settlers = 575 total)
Level 3: 2000 Beanstalks + 3 Magnificient Bricks (+75 Settlers = 650 total)
Level 4: 3000 Beanstalks + 5 Magnificient Bricks (+75 Settlers = 725 total)
Level 5: 5000 Beanstalks + 7 Magnificient Bricks (+75 Settlers = 800 total)
+1
I didn't collect that building, because of need more space. With this idea, I would like to collect and build/lvl up = more time to stay new goal to achieve.
Instead of bricks you could also imagine grout playing a roll in the upgrades:
Level 2: 2000 granite + 100 grout
Level 3: 4000 granite + 200 grout
Level 4: 2000 beanstalk + 300 grout
Level 5: 4000 beanstalk + 400 grout
Awesome idea. Therefor you can be sure that BB will never ever add this.
+1 to this idea, but as Shelob suggests, grout should be used instead of implementing yet another resource, grout is already here.
Mortallicus
22.07.14, 15:36
I like the idea :) but it should be said the Magnificent Residence does hold 500 though takes up too much space.
I dislike the idea, Only because It would devalue the frozen manor as everyone tried to upgrade and in 6 months we could all have the same discussion how the frozen manor needs an upgrade to bring it on par with the Magnificent Residence, it would just be an endless cycle, so that's a -1 from me.
Instead of bricks you could also imagine grout playing a roll in the upgrades:
Level 2: 2000 granite + 100 grout
Level 3: 4000 granite + 200 grout
Level 4: 2000 beanstalk + 300 grout
Level 5: 4000 beanstalk + 400 grout
+1
What Brayarg said -1
+1
This game is about being in an endless cycle. I think people that just want to finish upgrading their island, specialist, w/e.. would better play a single player game offline. Not a (supposed) MMO game..
+1
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This game is about being in an endless cycle. I think people that just want to finish upgrading their island, specialist, w/e.. would better play a single player game offline. Not a (supposed) MMO game..
Rather than creating endless cycles by changing minor statistics between buildings, They could actually spend their time creating new challenging content, That's how most MMO's have operated over the last 20years or so that in turn is a cycle worth being a part of.
Single player games don't offer the social aspect nor the trade aspect, Just because some people wish to have an upgraded island or specialist, Doesn't mean they would be better off in a single player game at all.
Sharpielein
23.07.14, 00:04
I dislike the idea, Only because It would devalue the frozen manor as everyone tried to upgrade and in 6 months we could all have the same discussion how the frozen manor needs an upgrade to bring it on par with the Magnificent Residence, it would just be an endless cycle, so that's a -1 from me.
I remember very well how people threw out Witch Towers when Frozen Manors became readily available, and did you complain?
So why complain when the most expensive building in the game (15k Beans is enough to buy 6 Frozen Manors - with the upgrade, it would be enough to buy 15!) is slightly better than the next expensive?
Sharpielein
23.07.14, 00:12
Rather than creating endless cycles by changing minor statistics between buildings, They could actually spend their time creating new challenging content, That's how most MMO's have operated over the last 20years or so that in turn is a cycle worth being a part of.
Why turn this into an either-or?
Brayarg,
by the same logic you would have to countradict EVERY form of rebalancing in the game?
Making the Mag Residence upgradable is a minor thing. It requires the same amount of work as the Village school upgrade, yet it would have a major effect on the game, as Fairytale adventures would actually be useful in themselves.
As it stands now, a lv50 player with 2 QM's and Major can pretty much only do 1 thing with beans: sell them, to buy Frozen Manors because Fairytale rewards from the shop have nothing meaningful to offer.
What is so terrible about the idea of making Fairytale rewards actually useful for anything other than selling?
So you also suggest that they shouldn't EVER introduce anything that makes something old obsolete?
You disliked the Major General because it devalued the Veteran?
You disliked the MMA because it devalued the Major?
You dislike the Improved Silos because they devalue Silos?
Are you also rallying up against the upcoming Improved Watermill?
I remember very well how people threw out Witch Towers when Frozen Manors became readily available, and did you complain?
So why complain when the most expensive building in the game (15k Beans is enough to buy 6 Frozen Manors - with the upgrade, it would be enough to buy 15!) is slightly better than the next expensive?
Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope. That's a lot of question but I believe I answered them all. Manors are exactly old are they?? Still a relatively new building in my eyes. The Mg the Vet and the MMA added extra dimensions to tactics, A good thing and we could do with more option like this. Silos and watermills are very much Meh I didn't pay RL cash for mine so its not the end of the world and they have been around since day dot.
Are you under the impression that only people that support your cause should post in your thread? Wouldn't that mean all suggestions are one sided? Surly for a suggestion to have a fair weighting it should be open to any and all members to express their views.
Why turn this into an either-or?
Brayarg,
by the same logic you would have to countradict EVERY form of rebalancing in the game?
Making the Mag Residence upgradable is a minor thing. It requires the same amount of work as the Village school upgrade, yet it would have a major effect on the game, as Fairytale adventures would actually be useful in themselves.
As it stands now, a lv50 player with 2 QM's and Major can pretty much only do 1 thing with beans: sell them, to buy Frozen Manors because Fairytale rewards from the shop have nothing meaningful to offer.
What is so terrible about the idea of making Fairytale rewards actually useful for anything other than selling?
Sharpielein, If I believe someone has a good idea, I will call it exactly that and +1 it. Even if they did alter this eventually the player would still be confronted with the excess beans as they no longer need residence, This doesn't solve the problem it just prolongs a little longer.
Sharpielein
23.07.14, 01:00
Sharpielein, If I believe someone has a good idea, I will call it exactly that and +1 it. Even if they did alter this eventually the player would still be confronted with the excess beans as they no longer need residence, This doesn't solve the problem it just prolongs a little longer.
While you are partially right, it only "prolongs it a little longer", though we may have different views on what "a little" means: it would prove to be a near-infinite sink of beans as the total amount of players who will not need any more settler population ever will never go to zero.
Unfortunately, as it stands, the Magnificient Residence was broken from the day of release in the sense that it was always the most expensive, albeit not the most useful residence in the game.
You yourself know why you don't prefer to own any MR over FM, and that reason is because it's broken.
Broken content deserves a fix, regardless of whether fix in the direction of nerf (WPP) or boost(what I suggest here).
The upgrade wouldn't affect anyone who has invested heavily into FM's and is happy with their current population count.
It would only affect those who wish to ultimately upgrade their islands, and for 30k+ beans invested, it would make a difference of merely 240 Settlers!
I'm getting the impression that you think once you have brought all that is currently available for beans/stalks that you have nothing to spend them on. The way I see it you have 2 choices, first stop playing fairy tales or just consider them another trade resource thus increasing your buying power to buy the things that you still need to get from trade.
Once you reach a certain population level the limiting factor is how fast you can train troops not what your max population is. There is no point to a upgrade if it you get no use out of it.
Sharpielein
23.07.14, 09:40
I'm getting the impression that you think once you have brought all that is currently available for beans/stalks that you have nothing to spend them on. The way I see it you have 2 choices, first stop playing fairy tales or just consider them another trade resource thus increasing your buying power to buy the things that you still need to get from trade.
I understand that. However, the point is that if the Magnificient Residence was actually desirable to own in a sense that having more than 1 of them actually means something other than decoration, many more beans would leave the game.
Once you reach a certain population level the limiting factor is how fast you can train troops not what your max population is. There is no point to a upgrade if it you get no use out of it.
Point taken.
Unfortunately, once you have reached that point, you don't need ANY buildings on your island safe barracks and provision house, because you'll be consuming resources at such an alarming rate that your entire economy is just a grain of sand in the desert.
People who are at this stage of the game don't need anything in a serious form or fashion, it's all just about squeezing that last bit of efficiency out of the limited available island space.
And having 10 upgraded Magnificient Residences would permit us to tear down tons of other buildings to make space for additional stuff.
I should know. Honestly, I'm there already: I can earn roughly the equivalent of 500k Bronze Swords and 500k Bread - per day!
But it would still be nice to see beans being useful for anything besides trading.
Is that such an unreasonable request?
Very well I concede your points.
Astraldimension
30.07.14, 16:01
i dont see how to argue against,i give +1
BAAAHHHHHJJJAAA
31.07.14, 02:41
What Brayarg said, we do u draw the line ?
BAAAHHHHHJJJAAA, what line?
As said..
Unfortunately, as it stands, the Magnificient Residence was broken from the day of release in the sense that it was always the most expensive, albeit not the most useful residence in the game.
You yourself know why you don't prefer to own any MR over FM, and that reason is because it's broken.
Broken content deserves a fix, regardless of whether fix in the direction of nerf (WPP) or boost(what I suggest here).
The upgrade wouldn't affect anyone who has invested heavily into FM's and is happy with their current population count.
It would only affect those who wish to ultimately upgrade their islands, and for 30k+ beans invested, it would make a difference of merely 240 Settlers!
If a building gets upgrade options, that's a very limited change.
So what if MR would be the best pop building for a while (til FM gets upgrade options).. To me it seems like the biggest reluctance to such change are from "bigtime traders"..
i dont see the issue the MR is a buy-able structure like the nobles and there upgradable ..the FM like the WT.WC etc are dropped so are not upgradable
To me it seems like the biggest reluctance to such change are from "bigtime traders"..
I see that too, besides wouldn't the MR be more attractive to buy in TO if it were upgradable?
Astraldimension
31.07.14, 14:15
I see that too, besides wouldn't the MR be more attractive to buy in TO if it were upgradable?
yes :)
Sharpielein
31.07.14, 15:35
I see that too, besides wouldn't the MR be more attractive to buy in TO if it were upgradable?
But you can't rip off people for like 20-50% value of an item if everyone can get one for 15k beans anytime in any quantity, lol!
Except that those who are afraid that their trading scheme will go down the drain seem to forget that there will be 3 trade items they can use to replace their current scheme:
Beans, Stalks as well as Rainbow Snow will be in significantly higher demand than right now :)
Astraldimension
31.07.14, 16:13
But you can't rip off people for like 20-50% value of an item if everyone can get one for 15k beans anytime in any quantity, lol!
Except that those who are afraid that their trading scheme will go down the drain seem to forget that there will be 3 trade items they can use to replace their current scheme:
Beans, Stalks as well as Rainbow Snow will be in significantly higher demand than right now :)
You have the biggest point in this thread with your idea from your first post and that stands.
Also beans or stalks for the upgrading would be good enough.
again +1
I just want to make my point clear... I want the MR upgradable :)
As far as balance goes, there is an easy answer. Simply make Dark Castles, Witch Towers and Mag Residences upgradable via some resource or another.
Happy_Santosh
01.08.14, 15:10
Hi that would be a wonderful addition to the game...MR was designed to replace level-5 nobles... as FM added in last x-mas they are most space efficient than MR..but FM already got graphics of level-5 noble so there future of upgrade scheme is lost...leaving MR to compete with FM in space effectiveness by making it upgradable will make much more improvements in game... think this FM comes with MA boxes with added luck so they are limited make change to game..where as MR available any time as long u can afford it..question is Blue Byte took 3years to make school upgradable...so this might take another 2-3 years ...its lateness their greatness...
Cheers..
FM's were introduced with Nords 2, that was quite some time before last Xmas
Prequel:
The Magnificent Residence is currently the most expensive building and it is also strong sink for highend resources.
The problem:
Unfortunately, it is not the most space-efficient building (125 settlers per size of a Frozen Manor for a total of 500 using the space of 4 Manors), so it is widely ignored by people who have the resources required to obtain it and most wealthy players who have these Residences go over to sell them in favour of Frozen Manors - which is a pity for an epic item!
Solution:
Let us upgrade the Magnificent Residence to the point where every player's dream would be to have a level 5 Magnificient Residence on their island.
Suggestion:
Let the Heroic Little Tailor, the "grand finale" of the Fairytales adventures, award a new item called "Magnificent Bricks" in the slot where other Fairytales currently drop followup adventures.
The Magnificient Bricks could be used to upgrade the Magnificient Residence as follows:
Level 2: 1000 Beanstalks + 1 Magnificient Bricks (+75 Settlers = 575 total)
Level 3: 2000 Beanstalks + 3 Magnificient Bricks (+75 Settlers = 650 total)
Level 4: 3000 Beanstalks + 5 Magnificient Bricks (+75 Settlers = 725 total)
Level 5: 5000 Beanstalks + 7 Magnificient Bricks (+75 Settlers = 800 total)
+1
yes i want it to uppgrade too .... but to 1000-1500 settles whould be better.
250 setteles/lvl whoud be super :)
let's see ... maybe they will doit, especilay now with new soldiers types, we need more settles ;)
TheVictorious
07.09.16, 09:08
+1
at leaset we get soem use for stalks after I got everything in market.
Looks like another thread started over 2 years ago but just now re-looked at.
It is always nice to upgrade a population building (Residence, Noble, Floating Residence, Manor, Easter Residence, Gingerbread House) as well as have ones that don't upgrade.
Does the game need more population ? - well, with the introduction of Ventures adding to FairyTale Adventures, Normal Adventures and Colonies it would suggest so.
One solution is to introduce a Level 7 to some buildings (I think this may be in BB's minds as we speak).
If you want the maximum population you only have to look at Lulu's map for placing up to 90 Magnificent Residence which would give you a population of 45k.
I would be cautious as to whether you would need to upgrade a Magnificent Residence - who needs a population of over 50k ?
Before this is thought about - we should be addressing the need to have either a 2nd Barracks / Elite Barracks or to have a 10 x buff for these 2 buildings.
Just some observations, but plenty to look at and for BB to re-dress
Looks like another thread started over 2 years ago but just now re-looked at.
It is always nice to upgrade a population building (Residence, Noble, Floating Residence, Manor, Easter Residence, Gingerbread House) as well as have ones that don't upgrade.
Does the game need more population ? - well, with the introduction of Ventures adding to FairyTale Adventures, Normal Adventures and Colonies it would suggest so.
One solution is to introduce a Level 7 to some buildings (I think this may be in BB's minds as we speak).
If you want the maximum population you only have to look at Lulu's map for placing up to 90 Magnificent Residence which would give you a population of 45k.
I would be cautious as to whether you would need to upgrade a Magnificent Residence - who needs a population of over 50k ?
Before this is thought about - we should be addressing the need to have either a 2nd Barracks / Elite Barracks or to have a 10 x buff for these 2 buildings.
Just some observations, but plenty to look at and for BB to re-dress
And just how do you intend to produce twice as much population a day to make twice as many troops ? Hint the answer is not make breadmen.
so we're all running out of uses for beans and obviously the price is dropping in TO.
how about upgrading mag res's with beans? 15k beans per lvl, up to lvl6 like other buildings :)
c'mon bb, I know this will take 3 years to implement, but surely its a good idea.
Merged
so we're all running out of uses for beans and obviously the price is dropping in TO.
how about upgrading mag res's with beans? 15k beans per lvl, up to lvl6 like other buildings :)
c'mon bb, I know this will take 3 years to implement, but surely its a good idea.
Your in luck was suggested about 2 years ago so only one more year to wait :)
still want this, if posible .... ned more pop
i already have over 50k+ pop but can always use 50k more.
+1
i got 18k, but i still have some space on my island.
i don't want all space filed with pop buildings, don't like it, better if we can upgrade pop buildings, if i get to 30-40k, is ok, i'll have enough for all types of soldiers .... so i'm for uppgrading all pop buildings, manor, witch tower,, all
JohnTheDon1980
27.04.17, 10:25
Cant ever see an upgrade to Mag res tbh. Its 500 pop as it is, which is largest available, and they are very easy to obtain when u hit lvl40-50s. Only limit is how many u can squeeze on your land.
Seems clear to me that BB have drawn a line in the sand, the days of players buying frozen manors and the like for 95 gems to have 30-50k pop are long gone. Ne players now will simply have to utilise Mag res to get a solid population. I have around 26k but 0 space left on main land. all nobles lvl 5. This says to me BB have moved newer players towards a pop limit of around 25-30k max. I can see the logic in it, and although i dont begrudge the vets that spammed FMs, it is clearly not something i think we will see again. Hence the reason FM cost 250-300k gc for one....thats just silly to any new player.
Eve with this said, game has NEVER been so easy, its pretty insane how fast we level now, we have guides to accelerate everything, so idea of the most readily obtainable pop building in game being upgradable is unfort not something i think BB see as viable, for the long term playability of the game.
i got already 30 manors, but that is only 4.200pop ... not that much
i have around 10 witch towers too
.. stll only 18k pop ... i don't want more manours or witch towers, i want to upgrade them
Military takes a lot of pop, and for instance i use 2-3k pop for PVP military which i rarely do
I heare about people with 50k pop... don't know how they got there, only if you make first priority pop, which suxs
i have 11 magnificent residence too, and a little space left on my island
all 18k pop, so i think we shoud be able to upgrade them ... there are 3 types of military, and i cant do one type until i do another to kill units to make room for others ... anoying :(
i got already 30 manors, but that is only 4.200pop ... not that much
i have around 10 witch towers too
.. stll only 18k pop ... i don't want more manours or witch towers, i want to upgrade them
Military takes a lot of pop, and for instance i use 2-3k pop for PVP military which i rarely do
I heare about people with 50k pop... don't know how they got there, only if you make first priority pop, which suxs
i have 11 magnificent residence too, and a little space left on my island
all 18k pop, so i think we shoud be able to upgrade them ... there are 3 types of military, and i cant do one type until i do another to kill units to make room for others ... anoying :(
I have 8 more Frozen Manors (Sorry Manor is a different building available at level 71 and I see from your numbers you mean Frozen), 2 more Magnificent but 6 less Witch towers. My population is 29k. Comparing our respective numbers I should only have about 1.4k more population not the 11k I actually have. There are only two thing I can think of to explain the difference. Number and Level of Nobles and Gingerbread houses, have you thought about more investment in those two building types.
PS with upgrades of existing buildings I could add a additional 2k population.
Kolobok_Zaraza
30.04.17, 21:15
+1
i have 75 mr and some nobles at lev5 a few castles black/white gives a pop at 50300
i have 75 mr and some nobles at lev5 a few castles black/white gives a pop at 50300
So your suggestion is to start over just to get boosted from scratch?
i have 75 mr and some nobles at lev5 a few castles black/white gives a pop at 50300
75 MR :) crazzy
i grouped industry, that was 1'st priority, second was pop
but if they let us upgrade pop buildings from adventures and MR -i'll probably get to 30-40k pop ...which is ok, i'll have enough for all arrmy types
i only have i Black Castle becouse in not a good building, it shoud give 1k pop :))
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