View Full Version : Has Return To Bandit Nest been removed ?
Greatdane247
28.11.14, 04:27
Since the maintenance, I have done plenty of Bandit Nest and I am still to get my first Return From Bandit Nest as loot.
I have always had a drop chance of at least 25%, so I should have had 5-6 by now.
I have asked in both G-1 and Help and the ones replying all say they have the same problem.
So, have they removed the RTBN or have they lowered the drop chance (would have to be by a lot then)?
RttBN haven't been removed, but seem to drop a lot less after the update.
In this thread (http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/22574-Guide-Loot-overview) people are posting links to their loots. Return to Bandit Nest is still dropped. The amount of loots posted is too low still to get a decent guess at the current drop chance
Greatdane247
28.11.14, 07:10
I have seen the loot screen shots too, but I am sure they are from the Test Server.
I am just worried, that I do not know of anyone, who has actually got a RTBN since the maintenance.
That is why I ask here.
I sure hope just a few can confirm that they got a RTBN here and NOT on the Test Server.
I was talking live server though.
ATHTHEMANIAC
28.11.14, 14:30
rtbn alway been low drop rate....i did 100 earlier this year and got 12....which is ludicrous.....total waste of time ...but bb has made such a pigs ear of bookbinder there is really no other way to get explorers/geo and in future gen/island booked up :(
I used to do 4-6 BN everyday before the update and used to get 2-3 RttBN daily, after update I did the same amount of BN daily and got tot 3 RttBN.
ATHTHEMANIAC
28.11.14, 16:17
i guess some players are very lucky while other are totally screwed then...lmao
i guess some players are very lucky while other are totally screwed then...lmao
Yes true. I had to stop doing RB's because I ran out of luck getting granite on this adventure. I tried so many times to get granite just one more time but it never happened. I gave up.
The drop percentage for RBN has changed for sure but this isn't really a surprise as it coincides with no more weapons from adv and certain adv removed from the shop.
The bottom line is that BB don't want u to progress to quickly any more.
Sharpielein
29.11.14, 19:16
I did about 8 BN adventures and got 0 RBN.
Not enough sample size to talk about probability, but before it was normal to get 1-in-3.
As everyone I know has the same issue, it seems like anecdotal evidence, but maybe after I finish my current adv, there's more to say on this.
ATHTHEMANIAC
29.11.14, 20:30
i have done about 20 bn's past 4-5 days 0 drops.....did 100 bn's earlier this yr got 12 drops.....the % drops for this adventure are fake i guess BB changed them to avoid people getting books for thier geos/explorers....which for this company is expected tbh.....
lordloocan
30.11.14, 19:56
Now done 11 BN for zero RTBN post new arrangements. All the loots showing rtbn are from test.
I have done ten BNs on live since the patch and I've got two RttBNs so far. It definitely does still drop.
On my 14th BN since update and no RBN dropped yet
ATHTHEMANIAC
01.12.14, 10:18
26 bn's still 0 rtbn.....it maybe just a coincidence but in my guild the ones that do bn are still informing me they getting 2 rtbn for every 5-6 bns they do....it seems it's just me and 1 other that got horrid drop rates.....just so happens our posts on forums are anti-bb wonder if there is a connection ???
i am nearly 12 rtbn short of what my other guildie's get.....so something gotta be wrong...there is no way in hell this is right no matter what the BB loving posters think.......
how can some consistantly get drops of rtbn while others get none....make this random drop thing look pretty silly tbh...
You need to understand what randomness, small sample sizes and confirmation bias mean in relation to probability. Then you'll see why it's not what you claim it is. I have had fewer drops since the patch but I've only done 15 or so which is not enough to even begin to draw conclusions from.
26 bn's still 0 rtbn.....it maybe just a coincidence but in my guild the ones that do bn are still informing me they getting 2 rtbn for every 5-6 bns they do....it seems it's just me and 1 other that got horrid drop rates.....just so happens our posts on forums are anti-bb wonder if there is a connection ???
i am nearly 12 rtbn short of what my other guildie's get.....so something gotta be wrong...there is no way in hell this is right no matter what the BB loving posters think.......
how can some consistantly get drops of rtbn while others get none....make this random drop thing look pretty silly tbh...
I can confirm the feeling has crossed my mind too.
topgearfan
02.12.14, 02:11
selling tinfoil hats
get yer tinfoil hats here!
isnt the only adv effected island of the pirates isnt dropping as many motherly love either i was getting them at least 1 ml every 10 iotp but its been around 20 plus iotp now with no ml dropping
selling tinfoil hats
get yer tinfoil hats here!
Hehe, already got one oh so shiny tinfoil hat + one to spare :p
But seriously, something is off with the drop rate on RttBN after the update.
Greatdane247
03.12.14, 08:01
Well, nice to know that some of you still get the RTBN.
All I can say is, that now I have done 30 BN and not one single RTBN has dropped :-(
I guess BB just killed 2 adventures with one move ....... why oh why do they take all the fun out of this game ?
I've now do 28 and no RTBN only doing 2 more and its goodnight BN for me
ATHTHEMANIAC
04.12.14, 03:05
how done 31 bn's almost every loot is the same....not 1 rtbn in 31....they have defiantely changed something to stop people getting rtbn and with it books for explorers/geo's and the rest....
ATHTHEMANIAC
09.12.14, 10:41
after doing 38 bandits nest i finally got my 1 rtbn to drop....2.8% drop rate....BB you suck so much...lmao
at this dropped rate i will only have to do another 5000 to get the rtbn's for the books i need for my explorers....oh what joy doing them will be :)
at 6 a day should only take me 833 days :)
0/9 on RTBN from BN since the update. Appears to be different than pre-update. Perhaps there was a tweak in numbers or we are all very unlucky :P
A Tweak sounds about right, Considering the glue we can make in a couple days time, No massive drama if your reason for doing is books.
The only 'drama' for me is changing rules without telling us what changes, makes it hard to plan correctly.
As for the lack of RTBN and corresponding lack of Books, that is a non-issue for me (plenty of glue to go around, and no requirement to upgrade every specialist in existence).
BB have never specified exactly what changes are made with loots/adventure searches/treasure searches etc etc. Everything is player made as I am sure you already know.
But they did say:
Adventure loot adjustments
The loot will be changed completely. Instead of weapons, raw materials for producing weapons will be included and the loot will be adjusted to the losses of the particular adventure.
within
http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/29601-Dev-Diary-Colonies-and-PvP?p=268421&viewfull=1#post268421
Yup, I knew there were changes, and knew that BB doesn't tell us details about loot drops/etc. Which is a bit of a shame to be honest :( But the mild annoyance will pass in time.
Sharpielein
09.12.14, 21:54
+4 Bandit Nest today - loot isn't all bad, got over 3000 granite combined - but still haven't seen RBN since the patch.
Too rare for my liking.
Even without RTBN i would still do BN (easy/quick adventure with decent chance of granite). Maybe they will give another way to get RTBN?
Greatdane247
10.12.14, 10:35
Well, thank you all for your feedback :-)
I have just finished my BN no 35 in a row without any drop of RTBN and THAT is the end of the line for me !
So, for me it is bye bye to BN and RTBN. Not many adventures left for me now worth doing. And where I actually have some fun doing them.
I wonder if BB keeps track of the number of adventures done ? It does not make much sense to have a whole set of adventures, but people only do 5-10 of them, as the rest are all left in the star menu, as you lose more resources doing them, than the reward you get is worth.
Should a reward not be something you can actually add to your storage ? Something that is a "payment" for your "investment" of resources and the time spent ?
The way it is now, it makes more sense just to let your island produce for storage and then sell it all in TO.
How depressing is that :-(
ATHTHEMANIAC
10.12.14, 11:19
i suppose for those who have go their specialist upgraded its not a problem....but for the mere mortals amung us (me...lol)..its goner be a hard slog with out rtbn to help out....
yes the ability to make glue which we will get in a few days will help but not really much use when you cant que anything in bookbinder tbh...
it takes me 12hrs to make 1 manuscript thats 60hrs for 1 tome 120hrs for 1 codex atm but soon that will be 180hrs...with the amounts needed to skill up specialist...(on just codex's alone thats 30days each specialist....at 11 to do thats 330 days)....lmao
not sure how much faster it will be with the buffs we can make....any one know how much time is taken off each book when using these buffs ?....
Greatdane247
10.12.14, 11:43
Don't forget that the glue you can make yourself only is a 20% boost ....... (at least it was on test server)
I will of course use them, if I get behind with production, so I do not have to stay up too late to put the next book in the bookbinder, but to think it will be a game changer ..... hmm, not really !
A level 5 bookbinder makes a manuscript every 12 hours without glue. Every second you are late and every second you are slow in starting the next manuscript moves that time-of-day forward, until the next one will be completed after you go to bed for example.
Coupled with the Tomes taking 20% longer to make, which means with a 20% reduction they will take as long as a manuscript I will be able to keep my bookbinder fully occupied once I can make those small glue packages. For me this will make an enormous difference.
Keep in mind, I do believe that upgrading specialists was not meant to be a quick thing, nor something you expect to do on all specialists. It always seemed (to me at least) that it was meant to be quick for the first few, then year(s) to do the rest (something we do on the side with the rest of the gaming mechanics).
Also keep in mind, you can choose how you upgrade your specialist, so may opt for builds that are not codex-heavy.
Greatdane247
10.12.14, 15:33
Well, keep in mind that the generals will be added to the science one day as well ......
No matter how you look at it, it will take forever and a day to get just a part of the geologists, explorers AND generals educated with science.
Without a building queue in the bookbinder it almost seems hopeless.
I know some have a lot of their experts educated already and I know several of them.
Those are the guys who set the alarm to get up in the middle of the night to place another book in the bookbinder. Those are the guys with the wifes asking for divorce. Those are the guys where the wifes already left .......
I have never been able to understand why a company like BB/Ubisoft can support irresponsible gambling/gaming.
Should it not be the player running his game and not the other way around ?
Would it really be so bad to give the bookbinder a building queue ? To let the player run his game, so it suits his everyday life ..... with or without family.
A bookbinder queue should of been introduced when the science stuff first appeared, the reason it didn't was that players would be able to upgrade all their geos/explorers way too easy. The current percentage drop of RBN's from BN is proof of this. Must be around 5% drop now, maybe lower!
My explorer results are exactly why everything has changed recently. I have 21 explorers which is the absolute max u can get if you were around in early 2012.
15 savage scouts (10 from shop, 2 from the limited items shop and 3 from the past 2 Easter events.
3 lucky scouts (1 from shop, 2 from events)
3 normal scouts (all 3 from tavern)
all my 15 savage scouts are upgraded with artefact search ( brings home 15-20 rainbows each week average)
My 3 lucky's and 3 normal's are upgraded with the bean search ( brings me around 500-750 beans each week & 500-750 guild coins each week)
All my 21 scouts have books added in reduced search times also. To do this I had to sacrifice playing other adv and just played BN for 4 months solid after last xmas. It was a slog but as u can see it was worth it!
ATHTHEMANIAC
10.12.14, 19:32
like i said previously some are lucky enough to get thier books while the drop rate for rtbn was normal..but now its been so reduced (2.8% for me personally) its goner be almost impossible to do the specialist i have at the moment let alone generals and islands when they come along its totally ridiculous for the drop rate to be changed to such a low rate and for the bookbinder not to have a que system.
the way i see it my specialist will never get done as the game will expire long before i have the books for them.....its almost dead now with these stupid "improvement" and loot so naff its not really worth doing adventures any more....
i dont really see the point of implementing something only to make it almostimpossible to attain...but then i have never understood they way BB run the game
After maintenance 0 (zero) RtBN in my loot for the moment - in general I (must) play 2-3-4 adv (other is 101% rabish) ... so what can I tell more ... :(
the way i see it my specialist will never get done as the game will expire long before i have the books for them.....its almost dead now with these stupid "improvement" and loot so naff its not really worth doing adventures any more....
i dont really see the point of implementing something only to make it almostimpossible to attain...but then i have never understood they way BB run the game
There is no requirement (nor expectation) to upgrade all your specialists.
Smart man realizes how hard it is to make books, and picks and chooses what he upgrades. That is part of the challenge of this game: To make the smart decision.
Me, I made a smart decision: Don't waste books in specialists I don't need, keep a reserve of books so I can upgrade Generals/Island, and use Glue like crazy (which I bought on TO). I'm up to 9 fast explorers and 3 luckies fully upgraded with 100+ books in reserves. By the time General Upgrade comes out I should be able to upgrade all 3/4 generals (MG, 2xMMA, and another MMA possibly). (Why waste books on normal generals, they will/should never be as good as an MG or MMA)
There is no requirement (nor expectation) to upgrade all your specialists.
Smart man realizes how hard it is to make books, and picks and chooses what he upgrades. That is part of the challenge of this game: To make the smart decision.
Me, I made a smart decision: Don't waste books in specialists I don't need, keep a reserve of books so I can upgrade Generals/Island, and use Glue like crazy (which I bought on TO). I'm up to 9 fast explorers and 3 luckies fully upgraded with 100+ books in reserves. By the time General Upgrade comes out I should be able to upgrade all 3/4 generals (MG, 2xMMA, and another MMA possibly). (Why waste books on normal generals, they will/should never be as good as an MG or MMA)
Well some faster geologist is good to be upgraded at least two of them for gold mines and now for coal mines also good. So you need do some full upgraded geo. And i didnt heard anything about general upgrades is it coming soon ?
ATHTHEMANIAC
16.12.14, 17:43
I suggest before you insinuate people are stupid read what they write....i never said you had to upgrade all specialist or what specialists i had upgraded or not...
I am simple stating that rtbn drop rate has changed to an aweful low and with it the way to get supplementary books for skilling specialists...
if you dont understand this then so be it :)
also "Keep in mind, I do believe that upgrading specialists was not meant to be a quick thing, nor something you expect to do on all specialists"...is this written some where?....do you have psychic powers and have read BB mind?
I know for a fact that I have gotten RttBN after the nerfdate, though extremely rare, 1 per 15-20 is my ratio now, BAD, VERY BAD BB!!!
ATHTHEMANIAC
17.12.14, 11:32
count yourself lucky then m8 1 am currently 1 rtbn in 60 bandit nests :(
From your original message:
specialist will never get done as the game will expire long before i have the books for them.
'Them' suggests you are referring to all your specialists. Obviously you have the book for at least one of them, so it can be correctly inferred that you were referring to all of them. Perhaps that was not what you meant (Maybe you meant: .... long before I have the books to for (9/most/several) of them).
ATHTHEMANIAC
19.12.14, 03:50
what bb have done yet again is move the goal posts by allowing a few (not sure how many) to get books but then deny the rest the same opportunity,this is a poor attitude tbh.
If you pay careful attention, they also added glue 20% buff, which helps a little, plus they added a buff canceler. Using the 2 with a bit of mental math will allow you to better optomize your buff scheduled to get the most out of your book house, which we werent able to back before the glue-abundance-days
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