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Hi
Like the new Ali Baba content. However i do not think there is much point in the new content if you can not get the new adventures. Explorer searches yield poor results, i get co-ops (delete them), Scenarios (delete them) map frags and VLT.
Please make Ali B woodcutter as easy to get as VLT. For example In the adventure menu for 595 map fragments
Thejollyone
17.01.16, 07:10
-1 there must remain some kind of challenge within the game. Why make everything too easy?
Many of us waited too long for additional content, and the XP these adventure pay is enormous. To be able to obtain them with ease would just mean many would reach level 75 within months. What's the point in that? The challenge has already been set with the drops rates BB already assigned. I wouldn't want this changed.
Let's not exaggerate. I highly doubt if the presence of ABYW in adventure shop will trigger mass lvl up to 75.Not all 1001 arabian nights adventures in the shop only the first one for lets say even 999 map fragments ( like the first fairy tale adventure in shop, VLT). There are plenty other bottlenecks like very long training speed for elite barracks even with the x3 buff, lack of a better barracks buff, lack of grout ( and I am not talking about those who bought 200k grout at past events).Did you checked the XP chart needed to level up past 66?
Yep i agree the xp appears enormous. But in the context of being lvl 60 its not all that. Not much different to being lvl 45 and doing BK's at a guess. I'm to lazy to do the math. :)
It's not really a challenge as you put it, that I enjoy to be honest, the gamble, if you can get an adv or not, depending on luck. But i accept that is part of the game, loot drops, treasure searches etc
I just don't see why the Ali Baba chain of adventures would be treated differently to the Tailor chain. Where the first one is obtainable.
anyhow just my 2 cents.
woodcutter comes from blt/hlt and searches- so in that respect there are sources- While a shop option is a nice want to have i don;t feel it is an essential
-1 there must remain some kind of challenge within the game. Why make everything too easy?
Many of us waited too long for additional content, and the XP these adventure pay is enormous. To be able to obtain them with ease would just mean many would reach level 75 within months. What's the point in that? The challenge has already been set with the drops rates BB already assigned. I wouldn't want this changed.
I totally agree
Bluesavanah
17.01.16, 22:20
-1 there must remain some kind of challenge within the game. Why make everything too easy?
Many of us waited too long for additional content, and the XP these adventure pay is enormous. To be able to obtain them with ease would just mean many would reach level 75 within months. What's the point in that? The challenge has already been set with the drops rates BB already assigned. I wouldn't want this changed.
pretty much sums it up, if you want a continuous supply of wood cutter adventure your going to have to sacrifice something somewhere or come up with a strategy. The challenge has been set, embrace it.
Found 2 Woodcutters with 19 explorers in the last 2 weeks, could do with a bump up in % chance in adv searches, considering it costs a bunch to do that search....
Have found aboutish 10 in 2 weeks with 20 exploerers, but yes I agree to increase the chance of finding it and remove all the rubbish co.ops from the search all togother.
2 more ABtywc today.
Please be careful to keep your language PEGI7, thank you.
Thanks MOD_Houri, I always keep forgetting the word "rubbish" :D
Have found aboutish 10 in 2 weeks with 20 exploerers, but yes I agree to increase the chance of finding it and remove all the rubbish co.ops from the search all togother.
2 more ABtywc today.
Please be careful to keep your language PEGI7, thank you.
Swap explorers with me Bosse? I'm making more elite troops than I can use with my luck on woodcutters and followups ;)
i think explorers are bring back enough i have 16 out looking and have more than enough to keep me going :)
Hi
Like the new Ali Baba content. However i do not think there is much point in the new content if you can not get the new adventures. Explorer searches yield poor results, i get co-ops (delete them), Scenarios (delete them) map frags and VLT.
Please make Ali B woodcutter as easy to get as VLT. For example In the adventure menu for 595 map fragments
and then what?
then you will complain how explorer not worth to send on adventure searches because he can't bring any good adventures.....
bad move is making adventure search worthless
also if you have max number of explorers they can bring you a lot young wood cutters.
i have 81 wood cutter now, i sold around 20 and played around 30
TheVictorious
18.01.16, 21:09
-1 there must remain some kind of challenge within the game. Why make everything too easy?
Many of us waited too long for additional content, and the XP these adventure pay is enormous. To be able to obtain them with ease would just mean many would reach level 75 within months. What's the point in that? The challenge has already been set with the drops rates BB already assigned. I wouldn't want this changed.
+1 for -1 and +1 for the -1 for post here :)
+1 for -1 and +1 for the -1 for post here :)
wonders how the devs will parse that :)
Well, the argument that everyone would be lvl 75 in a whimp is highly exaggerated. You need over 1 billion xp to get there, and if you would play 1 woodcutter adventure a day without premium it would cost you around 5 years to get to 75.
stonewaller
19.01.16, 06:41
Well, the argument that everyone would be lvl 75 in a whimp is highly exaggerated. You need over 1 billion xp to get there, and if you would play 1 woodcutter adventure a day without premium it would cost you around 5 years to get to 75.
I agree with this sentiment if not the math. Generally people need a reality check on where level 75 is. A woodcutter a day (non premium) would take a shade under 20 years to reach level 75 not 5 years. Doing a premium aladdin and the beautiful princess every day would take almost 3 years, assuming the loot table I'm looking at is accurate (around 680k non premium/just over million premium).
As to drop rates perhaps I'm just very lucky, 2 fast explorers (not lucky's) fully improved for adv searches have brought back 4 woodcutters in last 2 weeks which is about as fast as I can do them with a level 4 unbuffed elite barracks.
Thejollyone
19.01.16, 07:31
I agree with this sentiment if not the math. Generally people need a reality check on where level 75 is. A woodcutter a day (non premium) would take a shade under 20 years to reach level 75 not 5 years. Doing a premium aladdin and the beautiful princess every day would take almost 3 years, assuming the loot table I'm looking at is accurate (around 680k non premium/just over million premium).
As to drop rates perhaps I'm just very lucky, 2 fast explorers (not lucky's) fully improved for adv searches have brought back 4 woodcutters in last 2 weeks which is about as fast as I can do them with a level 4 unbuffed elite barracks.
You guys are forgetting that the woodcutters drop other adventures, which in turn drop mini quests, which in turn also drop high amounts of xp. Okay, perhaps months was a bit of an overstatement; maybe a year... But I have no doubts that upping the drop rate WOULD have an affect on the game as I previously stated...
coninuously making game easier/good content easier available is not really the way to go - it ends up dumbing down the game to the extent that people will walk away as it is just a grind- Need some luck/challanges etc in a game and yes- some adversity to keep the juices flowing.
The best content should not be very easy to get- Explorers and follow ups fom fairies should keep enough coming in on average to keep it ticking over- then there is the added option (at times) to buy em with guildcoin and ofc there is trade. High end players do not need to get everything handed on a plate and have the edge in the market as well
So imo not making em available for map fragments is not a bad thing and as to lvl 75- that will need some more fleshing out of post 50 content and adventures to make it feasible anyway and whatever drprate there is on ali baba- 75 is a loooong way away even for the super hardcore adventure grinders
TabulaRasa
19.01.16, 08:08
I am absolutely on the side to have an Ali Baba Woodcutter for map fragments in the adventure shop.
Why we producing map fragments if we have no adventure to buy with?
Play VLT to get SLT to get BLT to get Wood Cutter is a non sense path to most of us and the chance is miserable.
+1
topgearfan
19.01.16, 08:27
what price would you put on the woodcutter? 5k? 10k? 20(ish)k?
probably same as vlt is my guess- or maybe for 1 mf just to make it easier
seen all weird prices already like 900 mf is fair
if you look at current market prices- something like 25k fragments is getting close but probably low - which will lead to the next outrage from the same people as they label it too expensive.
gem bought seems the best option for easy woodcutters- u want it- u feel it in the wallet and it pays for running of the game )
The problem is the chances to get woodcutters is not the same for everyone, Many have reported that they get their fair share of them even with low scouts/explorers and many of us get no where near that.
I have the max total of scouts in the game (21) all searching on very long adv search (it costs a fortune btw), I get maybe 2 woodcutters a week if I'm lucky.
That's around a 1% chance for me where others are getting the prescribed near 10%. U don't need me to tell u that is an utter disgrace.
I think we all just want some consistency and not the corruption we are seeing!
TabulaRasa
19.01.16, 09:37
what price would you put on the woodcutter? 5k? 10k? 20(ish)k?
I think about 1200mf for a wood cutter would be nice compared to 600mf for a VLT
I think about 1200mf for a wood cutter would be nice compared to 600mf for a VLT
HAHAHAHHA
ofc-
maybe 4000 gems is a good price
TabulaRasa
19.01.16, 09:41
HAHAHAHHA
ofc-
maybe 4000 gems is a good price
LOL
1200mf is a real prize, remember VLT is 600mf....
advs for gems ? LOL and a real LOL!!!! :D
they are already in shop for real money
1200 MF is a joke- look at price difference between buying for around 1k gold versus the return on searches and figure in the search cost
You are basically proposing to make extended searches useless artefacts in the game - gues syour next suggestuion would be indeed to add nords 2 to the search and some more ali baba adventures to make it useful.
1200 mf is a complete joke- adventure searches need to bring a real advantage to the players using em.
If you'd say the searches need to be revisited to have a more even spread from the random number generator so people get em more consistently- sure- thats a balancing issue. Requestion trivializing content so you can have an easy ride at a low in game cost- ridiculous
I sent 2 lucky explorers out on an adventure search ( first time in about 2 years ) just to test the water. Both came back in 17hours each with a woodcutter. Was a pleasant surprise ! Pardon the pun but I guess I was just lucky.So I sent all the rest of my explorers out on adventure searches instead of artefact search - takes 1 day and 2 hours ; they will all be back after maintenance. Hope my luck holds :)
Wood cutters in shop for mfs ? nah.
-1
I think about 1200mf for a wood cutter would be nice compared to 600mf for a VLT
did you miss 2 or 3 zeros?
Map frag price that fair for a ywc 30,000 to 50,000mf
Nords is only available on treasure search, mystery adv box or for gem
Nords is regular availability and costs around 4000gc so do you propose we add nords to the shop for say 5 map frag?
TabulaRasa
19.01.16, 10:15
they are already in shop for real money
1200 MF is a joke- look at price difference between buying for around 1k gold versus the return on searches and figure in the search cost
You are basically proposing to make extended searches useless artefacts in the game - gues syour next suggestuion would be indeed to add nords 2 to the search and some more ali baba adventures to make it useful.
1200 mf is a complete joke- adventure searches need to bring a real advantage to the players using em.
If you'd say the searches need to be revisited to have a more even spread from the random number generator so people get em more consistently- sure- thats a balancing issue. Requestion trivializing content so you can have an easy ride at a low in game cost- ridiculous
this is just you.....
my opinion is 1200mf for a woodcutter and stop this nonsense prizes inflation started just due to that.
i do not use explorers for adv search as they bring back rubbish, not advs :) artifact is a better investment...
and no i do not search an easy ride, just an easy was to play the game without being involved in greediness on the trade...
and again 1200mf would be a very very fair prize compared to other advs, especially VLT.
other ali baba for gems would be ok, but not woodcutter the entry point to everything else.
TabulaRasa
19.01.16, 10:17
did you miss 2 or 3 zeros?
Map frag price that fair for a ywc 30,000 to 50,000mf
Nords is only available on treasure search, mystery adv box or for gem
Nords is regular availability and costs around 4000gc so do you propose we add nords to the shop for say 5 map frag?
do u understand how much time u need to produce 30k mf????
just check VLT prize and u will understand everithing :)
if you want a better chance of finding woodcutter get more explorers! either through events or with gems ... if your excuse is you dont have gems either buy some or save them from weekly 100 and from leveling up and from certain achievements or quests..i find enough woodcutters to keep me going easily
TheVictorious
19.01.16, 10:21
wonders how the devs will parse that :)
Well, the only devs will understand that :P
Mannerheim
19.01.16, 10:24
Cost of woodcutter is high only cause of limited availability. If it would be available in merchant it wouldn't be comparable to the trade prices of course so thinking over 10k mf is excessive. However woodcutter is almost the only reason the new search exists. They could have easily added storm and woodcutter to the previous search drop table or make them available in the merchant in the first place but then there. But since neither happened I doubt they will change this any time soon.
do u understand how much time u need to produce 30k mf????
just check VLT prize and u will understand everithing :)
I think its yourself that does not understand how something works. I also think like a small hand full of players the truth is you got used to artifact search and dont want to change.
I have to ask why this is being just asked by a few for ywc. The same would apply for BLT and HLT
Now maybe a young woodcutter can be added to the shop like the FT follow up were. A good price could be 2500 star coin
yep- no need to make stuff easy all around -
the fact that you think artifact searches have a better return to adventure shows already that you want your cake and eat it- Use the proceeds from artifact to buy woodcutters then- that should solve issues- I see woodcutters in trade on a regular basis so some get more than they need
TheVictorious
19.01.16, 10:40
1200 mf is just so cheap (actually its "free" with this price), in rarity you make them in so cheap resources, this is the issue, and 1200 mf = 1200 gc these days, seriously ? this is joke, VLT is so cheap not even worth 80 beans max, while woodcutter at least 4000 beans, so wooductter its like 5000% more than vlt , so at least would be 30K mf (30K gc which is cheap atm because its around 50K gc in TO). does not matter what it cost or how much time, but this what is really worth if you want it with mf.
Sharpielein
19.01.16, 11:40
I got 22 Explorers, and found 3 ABYW since New Year. Well, it may just be luck ... at least I could run WW 24/7 for a year.
I could imagine ABYW in the Shop for 5000 Fragments, because that's more than you could produce by yourself, and since ABYW is desirable for High Level players that might push up the value of MF's, balancing the purchase and actually helping lower levelled players trying to acquire some resources.
topgearfan
19.01.16, 11:45
This thread is proof that prices of things are way too different in different servers and BB has to make a price that fits ALL servers.
I support woodcutter for sale in merchant for gems and star coins. Would also like to add a suggestion to sell it for beans. Price maybe 3-5k? Might seem a little weird but at least the option would be there and more options is always good.
In map fragments BB would probably put a price that makes adventure search pointless. That 1200 is a good guess, it wont be over 5k for sure.
I have switched my scouts from Artefact search to adventure search. Although they have no upgrades in adventure search the return in value is better than in Artefact search.
This thread is proof that prices of things are way too different in different servers and BB has to make a price that fits ALL servers.
I dont see how thats possible when for example gems are cheaper to buy on the USA server then the euro server
Sharpielein
19.01.16, 12:19
This thread is proof that prices of things are way too different in different servers and BB has to make a price that fits ALL servers.
I support woodcutter for sale in merchant for gems and star coins. Would also like to add a suggestion to sell it for beans. Price maybe 3-5k? Might seem a little weird but at least the option would be there and more options is always good.
In map fragments BB would probably put a price that makes adventure search pointless. That 1200 is a good guess, it wont be over 5k for sure.
Since players trade Babas for about 5k beans in TO (at least in Northisle), I would imagine that setting the fragment price to 5k would bring Fragment price close to Bean Price. And since high level players currently consider Fragments a trash resource, that may actually be a good thing.
This thread is proof that prices of things are way too different in different servers and BB has to make a price that fits ALL servers.
I support woodcutter for sale in merchant for gems and star coins. Would also like to add a suggestion to sell it for beans. Price maybe 3-5k? Might seem a little weird but at least the option would be there and more options is always good.
In map fragments BB would probably put a price that makes adventure search pointless. That 1200 is a good guess, it wont be over 5k for sure.
I have switched my scouts from Artefact search to adventure search. Although they have no upgrades in adventure search the return in value is better than in Artefact search.
I think many already find the very long adventure search pointless, because we are spammed with advs like Lakeside, whirlwind, arctic explosion...
I got 22 Explorers, and found 3 ABYW since New Year. Well, it may just be luck ... at least I could run WW 24/7 for a year.
I could imagine ABYW in the Shop for 5000 Fragments, because that's more than you could produce by yourself, and since ABYW is desirable for High Level players that might push up the value of MF's, balancing the purchase and actually helping lower levelled players trying to acquire some resources.
22 Explorers ?
Was there a Eggplorer in the 2012 Easter event ?
alakama789
20.01.16, 12:31
You guys are forgetting that the woodcutters drop other adventures, which in turn drop mini quests, which in turn also drop high amounts of xp. Okay, perhaps months was a bit of an overstatement; maybe a year... But I have no doubts that upping the drop rate WOULD have an affect on the game as I previously stated...
You are forgetting that the real bottleneck are elite barracks and not the availability of woodcutters. More woodcutters would change nothing in the speed of leveling up.
I think AB woodcutter should be available for map fragments, but not for the mentioned price, but much higher, around 4000-5000 map fragments. A kind of emergency when your explorers cant find any for long time, so that you can buy a woodcutter or two from time to time, not buying them regularly each day.
Bluesavanah
20.01.16, 12:42
To me the price would have to be around 3000-5000 beans, a possibility could be to put them in the epic part of the merchant on something like a 7 day cool down with a level 56 requirement on purchase, this wouldn't break the market but would supplement what your explorers bring back (which for me atm is 10 wood cutters from the last 162 searches).
I have been doing only very long adventure searches for some time, and noted down all they brought back.
Some of you seem to have been very lucky and some very unlucky. out of 140 searches I got back 11 woodcutters.That is ok - and much better than what I got the first 2 weeks of searching - then the % was around 4- 5 %. I dont know if something was adjusted in between.
I still think that the very long search is rubbish. The number of woodcutters is ok - the problem is the rest,- I dont need it. SE, DB RB BK- I can get from the other searches. Same goes for the Co-ops and riches of mountain. I dont know when- if ever I get to use any of the storm recovery. But ok it does belong there.
So Yes I think the drop rate might be ok now if it is around 10% - but would prefer that the rest of the advs was removed and replaced with mfs - and that we got the option to get woodcutter with mfs.
I dont want to argue about the price, but some of you seem to forget that not all can or will use gems. Not all have 16 explorers. So the price should take that into account. Then it might be very cheap for some, that is just the way it is then.
Here you have my statistics:
http://prntscr.com/9sixrh
I think the ABtywc is easily obtainable as it is with the vl adv hunt + the chance of getting from BLT/HLT, imvho no change is needed there.
SoneVracevGaj
28.11.16, 19:02
I like if Ali baba young wood cutter be added for map fragment.
Price can be about 3k - 5k map fragment.
We cant have enough for playing becose price is too high.
Map fragment price is too low, all adventures in merchant are low price in map fragment.
And here we go again . http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/32396-Ali-Baba-Woodcutters
Thank you - Merged
SoneVracevGaj
29.11.16, 09:47
Ty mate ;-)
TabulaRasa
29.11.16, 09:48
I like to see this thread active again. :D
I am still waiting YWC for MF in merchant.
lordloocan
29.11.16, 13:17
-1 there must remain some kind of challenge within the game. Why make everything too easy?
Many of us waited too long for additional content, and the XP these adventure pay is enormous. To be able to obtain them with ease would just mean many would reach level 75 within months. What's the point in that? The challenge has already been set with the drops rates BB already assigned. I wouldn't want this changed.
Normally agree with you Jolly but not totally on this one.
You say that if the drop rate was increased then players would hit level 75 'in months'. That's going to be one heck of a lot of months even if Woodcutter was available in the merchant for 1 map frag.
Taking a player who is on say 50million xp so far, that leaves them 950 million xp to go to reach level 75. Now if we say that every Alibaba they do drops nice extra quests or are linked to Excelsior quests so they get a hugely generous 500k xp per Alibaba on average. 950 million/500k = 1900 Alibabas. Next let's say they can achieve 3 of these per day (Not going to happen due to the elite barracks cooking speed but hey ho), this gives them 1900/3 days of Aliabas ie 633 days or approx. 1.7years to go. If we are more realistic and say they can do 2 Alibabas a day then this becomes 2.6years. For the ''normal'' player, with no premium and hence an average of say 350k per Alibaba, plus some real life, so that they do an average of 1 Alibaba a day, the figures lead to them needing approx. (950million/350k)/365 = 7.4years to get to level 75...... Thta's why many have stopped bothering to even aim for level 75.
Yep, game is about more than getting to the top level, which is just as well as it's going to be some time before anyone gets there, increased Woodcutter drop rate or not.
tried to? another good source :)
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