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interested in seeing how many times ppl have done the long letters and if they got the recipe for the manuscript
i am up to 8 times about to do my 9th still no recipe
I haven't even got the 18 snippets to do my 1st yet, lol, too much junk coming out instead of the snippets. But if u done it 8 times with no recipe then something's wrong there. Most ppl who have played it have got it on their 1st try!
Areop-Enap
28.09.16, 20:11
I haven't even got the 18 snippets to do my 1st yet, lol, too much junk coming out instead of the snippets. But if u done it 8 times with no recipe then something's wrong there. Most ppl who have played it have got it on their 1st try!
Yeah, me neither. I have only managed to get 16/18 snippets from long letters so far.
just started my 3rd attempt.
I got it on my third attempt.
Have done a few and only got 50 gems in the reward so far. If it is there - then the chance of getting it is very very very small.
Thejollyone
29.09.16, 06:38
got mine 4th attempt
interested in seeing how many times ppl have done the long letters and if they got the recipe for the manuscript
there are reported cases of people going 30+ times without getting the recipe.
queen-vicious
29.09.16, 10:21
3 tries and no luck so far ... maybe next time *crosses everything*
must have the worst luck ever on this 17 attempts now still no recipe
TheVictorious
02.10.16, 20:25
got it from 2nd or 3rd time not remember :P
I had to abandon the long letter search for snippets, after 4 lots of 20 red logs in a row that was enough for me, At least in the book search you get 20 starcoins most times. Excelsior has been designed to make players spend gems if they want to get anywhere on it.
And for the guy who's played 17 in a row, I take it the recipe is not a 50/50 drop, lol.
resurrect_in
05.10.16, 11:43
got it in first attempt.
Success at the 7th attempt.
Areop-Enap
06.10.16, 11:28
Success after completing one quest (A Threat?!) :D
...and a week long wait of the reward box sitting in star because I thought it was an adventure box, lol
50 gems from my first try (compass).
When I see that people have tried 17 times without success then I count myself very lucky for getting the recipee first time :)
got it from 3th attempt,(settlers and bandits)
finally got it on my 20th attempt
3rd for me compass, settlers and then got it on my 2nd compass
5 tries so far and still trying
queen-vicious
22.10.16, 02:51
10 tries no manuscript lol ... hades8840 you give me hope :)
1st attempt manuscript, 3rd the tome
Yesterday I finished my 15th attempt. No manuscript. Losing my hope.
The_Sarmatian
26.10.16, 07:44
2 tries. 2x 50 gems... NO RECIPES!
Now, I am stack with 3 quests in star menu requiring me to start doing ali adventures to even try my luck once more. All while I can build on my level only the grrr... platinum swords! Outraging. Those ali requests should be from lv56, when all elite troops are unlocked imho.
Also 6 months searching for extra iron deposit with no hit with "lucky find". Gem sector buyer curse I guess, but it still belongs to "unlucky" business category. For 1 long year I have been cracking bn to get some returns and never got any, then I complain about that and like same week finally I get in loot the return to bandit nest... My luck in this game sucks or for some reason Random Number Generator is angry on me.
I got it at some stage during my first attempt to complete long letters. I now have an over abundance of manuscripts when most of yt explorers are fully skilled & don't have much need for them. Wish they could be traded
!
I'm currently at attempt 5. I'm not too bothered because the quests (well, 2 of the 3) give good xp.
21 tries and still no recipe... I have to say it starts getting frustrating, especially when I hear that so many got it after just one or two attempts. Would be nice if that was a bit more evenly distributed. I don't mind having random drops with stuff like buildings, decoration or follow-ups, but when it comes to things that are important for the game (especially with the general skill tree coming...) such a random drop rate is....well I'm not allowed to swear here lol
Managed to get all 3 book recipes - Manuscript on 5th attempt - I use the most in RPH, codex & tomes made in bookbinder - with buff can produce a codex per day (with manuscripts & tomes) :)
queen-vicious
04.11.16, 02:51
wtg daisyduke .. still chasing my manuscript ... lost count of how many tries now :)
TheVictorious
04.11.16, 21:31
Got codex recipe from 2nd attempt, the tome from first snow white, so i have all of them now.
polarbarez
04.11.16, 23:53
I have done 3 long letters ventures (Lost Compass) and got gems each time.
1st try got it :) super happy
11 attempts at the manuscript recipe so far,also done Snow White and The Lost City,not a sausage:)
Gargoyle77
10.11.16, 17:51
First attempt :)
lordloocan
15.11.16, 20:35
7 attempts = 7 lots of 50 gems......
30 something plus, long letters and still no sight of the manuscript recipe, BLAARGH!!! Slightly annoying if I may say so which I ofc do *sigh*
Kryss_Drynn
16.11.16, 12:50
Do you need the Rarity Provision House to qualify for the chance to be better than 0% and can you get the recipe more than once?
can you get the recipe more than once?
No
Do you need the Rarity Provision House to qualify for the chance to be better than 0% and can you get the recipe more than once?
The recipes are for the Rarity Provision House.
While you need the RPH to be able to use the recipe, I'm not sure it is a requirement to have it to get the recipe.
i got one tome from snow in my 6th attemt
i got one from snow in my 6th attemt
No you did not, snow does not drop manuscript recipes, only tomes
21st time did the trick, finally manuscript recipe!
I got it on my third attempt.
Good afternoon can you tell me what materials will be needed if I finally got the recipe?
Thanks.
Good afternoon can you tell me what materials will be needed if I finally got the recipe?
Thanks.
770 Simple Paper, 620 Nibs, 100 Beans, 32 Coins. 7 Hrs 30 mins to make in a unbuffed RPH.
Tome is 790 Inter Paper, 540 Letters, 100 Beanstalks, 6 Manuscripts, 9 Hrs to make in unbuffed RPH.
Manuscripts in 3rd attempt.
Tome in 2nd attempt.
Grats to all the lucky Map Fragments in here :D
(Bitter much... Naa only just a little bit :P BUT the grats is genuine :))
lordloocan
26.11.16, 15:22
woohoo, finally got manuscript on 11th attempt
TabulaRasa
26.11.16, 20:30
woohoo, finally got manuscript on 11th attempt
your achievement make me hope :D one day I will be happy like u are now hehehe
sk_setttler
28.11.16, 11:11
30 something plus, long letters and still no sight of the manuscript recipe, BLAARGH!!! Slightly annoying if I may say so which I ofc do *sigh*
Same here...lost count after 30 :(
i got manuscript at the first attempt..am i lucky man ?
TabulaRasa
28.11.16, 12:21
Got my manuscript recipe, finally :)
lordloocan
28.11.16, 13:12
Got my manuscript recipe, finally :)
Congratz
TruthTeller
30.11.16, 11:42
Up to 17 attempts so far... Still no luck..:(
I lost the count too, but I'm probably near 20 without the recipe, same for another guildie
Managed to get the Tome recipe on the first try, but still on manuscript recipe.
I'm almost ready to give up hoping that I'll get the manuscript recipe, Ive done over 30 quests and am stuck on a diet of compass quests that require me to make a tome which takes ages.
I'll keep plugging away at this nut am definitely not wasting gems on this recipe.
I'm almost ready to give up hoping that I'll get the manuscript recipe, Ive done over 30 quests and am stuck on a diet of compass quests that require me to make a tome which takes ages.
I'll keep plugging away at this nut am definitely not wasting gems on this recipe.
Join the club, mate, 32-34+ tries and no Manus recipe
Got it on the first try from settlers and bandits :) im happy
It was about 10 times for the manu
Still trying here.. up to around 16 attempts no with no joy..
glad to see I'm not the only 1 who never gets the good loot, not just from exelsior but from any adv/quest.
Random loot is not a good system!
glad to see I'm not the only 1 who never gets the good loot, not just from exelsior but from any adv/quest.
Random loot is not a good system!
So just how did you upgrade all those buildings?
Its possible to buy resources.
Got it on my 4th try, ex guildie got both manu and tome recipe on 1st try.
Other people I know got on 2nd try, 1st try or are at 25+ tries and still nothing...to be honest I havent met anybody that got it for example on the 10th try...very soon or not at all...
Still no joy here...please BB do something! :)
still no manu recipe for me and I've given up on it for the moment, I made 6 codex after doing the Compass quests 6 times, which is really the only quest dropping in there for me,
It's more important / pleaseurable to do ali baba addys so doing book in excelsior as I want recruitment guides , which have changed the number of troops I can cook in the elite barracks radically
So staying with the book side in Excelsior for the moment and maybe butt heads again fro the manuscript recipe another time
Maybe
polarbarez
24.12.16, 02:14
Finally
I think it was 17 attempts.
But now I can not get letters when I already have a venture in the star menu.
I try to run annonymus threat and lost compass at the same time but looks like the game will not allow this any more.
Shame.
It finally dropped after about 35 attempts. I'm delighted and happy to move on to Books now, but still think that it's not fair that there's such a huge gap. While I was desperately trying to get the recipe there were constantly ppl telling me that they got it after just one or two attempts. Kinda frustrating...A maximum number of attempts would be nice, so for example let's say you get it guaranteed after 20 tries or something like that. At least you got something to look forward this way.
Areop-Enap
25.12.16, 12:15
It finally dropped after about 35 attempts. I'm delighted and happy to move on to Books now, but still think that it's not fair that there's such a huge gap. While I was desperately trying to get the recipe there were constantly ppl telling me that they got it after just one or two attempts. Kinda frustrating...A maximum number of attempts would be nice, so for example let's say you get it guaranteed after 20 tries or something like that. At least you got something to look forward this way.
Congratulations! What a nice christmas present you got then. :D
Got it on my 14th attempt
Finally today I also got the manuscript recipe, I lost count of how many quests I did, but lately all the quest i was given was Lost Compass which always requires a Codex making as 1st part of the Quest !
I have made about 6 codex for this damned quest though which has tried my patience very much.
When the recipe dropped for me I couldn't believe it as I was expecting another 50 stupid gems.
Muhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I am just about ready to quit the game because of this, it is beyond a joke.
I am just about ready to quit the game because of this, it is beyond a joke.
I'm on my 43rd to 45th attempt, but honestly as annoying as it is imo no reason to quit the game... Don't give up, mate, eventually you'll get it.
Manuscript first attempt :)
fishybreath
19.01.17, 14:22
Can't recall how many times I've done it now and still nada. Bit annoying but fair amount of xp can be got from quest chain at least
The_Sarmatian
21.01.17, 08:36
Still no manuscript recipe here. Around 10+ tries.
At lv53 I was getting the easily doable "settlers&bandits" and only that. I did quite a few of those. At least 4 I think, before it pushed me to lv54. Then the game got obnoxious. It starts throwing at me almost only the codex construction "the lost compass" and only by some chance also "a threat". Game refuses to give me from lv54 any easy doable "settlers&bandits". So I got smart and started doing both "the lost compass" and "a threat" side by side, so buying 1 ali ls will cover them both. This way I spent doing 6 letter quests... Each time dropping me 2x 50 gems, despite me opening these mystery boxes one right after the other. I am lv55 (doing two letter quests in same time drops 1m+ xp each time) and soon I will be only on those quests alone lv57 and still no manuscript recipe in sight.
What is wrong with RNG in this game? Logging in and playing at various hours of day or night DOES NOT HELP moving this RNG a single bit differently. It feels like glued on for some reason. It reminds me like for 1 year at least I couldn't get return to bandit nest from bandit nest adventure, though I was doing them almost daily and even more during events.
Not to mention the undiscovered bugs with "randomness" like the "small islands sector gem-spender" bug, where "Lucky Find" stops working on iron deposits for unlucky people spending gems in this game on purchasing game-items. Is it maybe a bug? Buying some sectors on island for gems instead of beans disables the manuscript recipe in mysterious box as well? What is going on? Why I cant find neither the extra iron deposit to place industrial iron mine for last 6 months (and I need to find it just once) or find the manuscript recipe (10+ tries already)? I have like little over 1m xp left to lv56. Surely letter quests are huge xp boosts, but this is not why I even bothering with them... I would be happy at my lowly lv53... but with manuscript recipe! :P
This feels sooooo salty... and depressing. :( Oh well, lv57 here I come... :)
Still no manuscript recipe here. Around 10+ tries.
At lv53 I was getting the easily doable "settlers&bandits" and only that. I did quite a few of those. At least 4 I think, before it pushed me to lv54. Then the game got obnoxious. It starts throwing at me almost only the codex construction "the lost compass" and only by some chance also "a threat". Game refuses to give me from lv54 any easy doable "settlers&bandits". So I got smart and started doing both "the lost compass" and "a threat" side by side, so buying 1 ali ls will cover them both. This way I spent doing 6 letter quests... Each time dropping me 2x 50 gems, despite me opening these mystery boxes one right after the other. I am lv55 (doing two letter quests in same time drops 1m+ xp each time) and soon I will be only on those quests alone lv57 and still no manuscript recipe in sight.
What is wrong with RNG in this game? Logging in and playing at various hours of day or night DOES NOT HELP moving this RNG a single bit differently. It feels like glued on for some reason. It reminds me like for 1 year at least I couldn't get return to bandit nest from bandit nest adventure, though I was doing them almost daily and even more during events.
Not to mention the undiscovered bugs with "randomness" like the "small islands sector gem-spender" bug, where "Lucky Find" stops working on iron deposits for unlucky people spending gems in this game on purchasing game-items. Is it maybe a bug? Buying some sectors on island for gems instead of beans disables the manuscript recipe in mysterious box as well? What is going on? Why I cant find neither the extra iron deposit to place industrial iron mine for last 6 months (and I need to find it just once) or find the manuscript recipe (10+ tries already)? I have like little over 1m xp left to lv56. Surely letter quests are huge xp boosts, but this is not why I even bothering with them... I would be happy at my lowly lv53... but with manuscript recipe! :P
This feels sooooo salty... and depressing. :( Oh well, lv57 here I come... :)
1 The time of day has nothing to do with RNG.
2 You can not buy sector deeds with gems, beans are the only way.
fishybreath
21.01.17, 12:42
What is wrong with RNG in this game? Logging in and playing at various hours of day or night DOES NOT HELP moving this RNG a single bit differently. It feels like glued on for some reason. It reminds me like for 1 year at least I couldn't get return to bandit nest from bandit nest adventure, though I was doing them almost daily and even more during events.
The hint is in the name ... RNG ... random number generator. Results will not depend on time of day you log in or anything else for that matter. It's called variance. Sometimes we are on the right side of variance and sometimes we are not. All we can do is suck it up.
Play poker for a year and you'll understand all about variance.
7 tries for me without success, I finally got a Palace from princess adv (4% chance) so maybe things are looking up :)
The_Sarmatian
22.01.17, 04:30
1 The time of day has nothing to do with RNG.
2 You can not buy sector deeds with gems, beans are the only way.
2. Yes, You can. 3 entire sectors actually. Exclusively with gems. Trust me, you are wrong. Check yourself: Merchant -> Black Market -> 3495 _gems_ Island Deed. Limit of 3.
1. Yes, It can. Weather conditions over Europe can vary with day time.
random.org is headed by Dr Mads Haahr, School of Computer Science and Statistics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland - this according to their web page. According to their site they use some factor of atmospheric noise to determine the random number instead of the typical programmed way (again more on that later). I wouldn't understand the science of the picking up of atmospheric noise and turning it into a seed value for a random formula but conceptually it sounds more random than how it's normally done.
I could only find one blog about someone saying that generator is skewed. They generated some numbers between 1 and 10 and kept track of the results. They found some numbers picked more than others.
The hint is in the name ... RNG ... random number generator. Results will not depend on time of day you log in or anything else for that matter. It's called variance. Sometimes we are on the right side of variance and sometimes we are not. All we can do is suck it up.
Play poker for a year and you'll understand all about variance.
Unless... RNG is weather based... Right? Plus nothing else explains why sometimes the RNG gets glued for some players to the same % of chance for longer periods of time.
This with chance for "lost compass"... It feels like 50% if not 60% and it seems to affect other people, who do not find the manuscript recipe in their lucky 1st-3rd try.
BTW after writing my comment I found after months my first "settlers&bandits"... It also happened in the very moment when most of my explorers started returning a mass. Strange. Right?
2. Yes, You can. 3 entire sectors actually. Exclusively with gems. Trust me, you are wrong. Check yourself: Merchant -> Black Market -> 3495 _gems_ Island Deed. Limit of 3.
That's island deeds not sector deeds.
1. Yes, It can. Weather conditions over Europe can vary with day time.
According to certain progressions, if it was random you could not have weather reports. Your confusing variation with random. If it starts cold and ends up hot the tempreture progresses from cold to hot, if it goes from 12 to 18 you will know between those two point you will have 13,14,15,16,17 in strict order, if it was random it might go 12,15,13,13,17,16,18.
Unless... RNG is weather based... Right? Plus nothing else explains why sometimes the RNG gets glued for some players to the same % of chance for longer periods of time.
Read what that quote says again, It says that particular site uses atmospheric noise, it does not say weather. You see atmospheric and think weather, the noise could be the sound or something else which may have nothing to do with the weather at all. Some Servers rely on the tiny temperature variations of the CPU's. If our servers are like that then our collective activities in game are responsible for the results of the random results.
The_Sarmatian
22.01.17, 16:46
That's island deeds not sector deeds. It still buys new sectors on small island. It does. How can I convince you it does? You spend gems on Island Deed and apply exactly like Sector Deed, which you bought for beans, and you get a new sector. Trust me. I got them all 3. I know what I am writing about.
Well, atmospheric noise... What it can be... Wild guess... Weather? Have a looksie at random.org. Do they exclude weather conditions entirely? Are you 100% sure? Plus there exist already a blog claiming this RNG is skewed... without TSO being involved even remotely.
21 tries and still no recipe... I have to say it starts getting frustrating, especially when I hear that so many got it after just one or two attempts. Would be nice if that was a bit more evenly distributed. I don't mind having random drops with stuff like buildings, decoration or follow-ups, but when it comes to things that are important for the game (especially with the general skill tree coming...) such a random drop rate is....well I'm not allowed to swear here lol
Completely agree! I've done dozens of them & still no recipe. I can't move on to the evil queen even though I'm lvl 58 now. Seems like such a major event for gameplay should be more evenly distributed.
Areop-Enap
30.01.17, 17:46
Completely agree! I've done dozens of them & still no recipe. I can't move on to the evil queen even though I'm lvl 58 now. Seems like such a major event for gameplay should be more evenly distributed.
You could if you wanted too, no one says you have to get the recipe before starting on the evil queen campaign. It's a choice. :)
You could if you wanted too, no one says you have to get the recipe before starting on the evil queen campaign. It's a choice. :)
Exactly. I've been putting crystals in both now I'm 58. Use the starcoins to buy gems and sell the recruitment guide buff.
I'm 0 for 12 or so attempts. Diwata however was lucky (as she usually is) and got it 3rd try.
got the manu & tome on 1st try's, lost count now how many times i've tried for the codex from travel guides
Nameless_one
31.01.17, 22:14
Did smth happened to the Paperwork Guide spawn rate? I spent more than 150 crystals and never once i got the Paperwork Guide buff...
Did smth happened to the Paperwork Guide spawn rate? I spent more than 150 crystals and never once i got the Paperwork Guide buff...
Not that I've noticed - I get them fairly often
20+ boxes and no joy here.. I'm also at he point now where I should be farming 'Book' content so I've had to give up sadly. Oh well!
I'm wondering how many players are as frustrated as I am over the manuscript recipe. Most players seem to get it within 1-3 tries, but there are some accounts that seem to be locked out of it. I've had 40+ tries with no recipe and I see that other players are in the same exasperating situation.
But this issue is different from other "random drop" situations. Bad loot from an adventure doesn't affect game play that much, but excelsior is a major source of game content for upper level players. It was (it appears) a break from the endless grinding of the same adventures to level up. In addition, it takes months, maybe years to book explorers with only the bookbinder. Recipes from long letters and books should solve that issue. But in order to make codexes, you need to burn through a massive number of manuscripts. So without the manu recipe, the tome & codex recipes are ineffective. Bottom line, players need to get the manuscript recipe before progressing on to books. Even if you elect to move on to evil queen for a while you will still have to return to long letters at some point to get the manu recipe.
How can BB not see how frustrating this is for players? Why spend so much time developing game content, only to have a significant portion of the content be inaccessible because of an issue that shouldn't exist. Let the evil queen drop manuscript recipes if you don't have it already, or put an upper limit on how many long letter quests you have to complete before you get it automatically. Either BB doesn't play the game, or they aren't paying attention to the frustration of upper level players in the forums.
Excelsior affects too much upper level game play to be an RNG drop. Every day you complete the quests & get crystals, so you're getting mahogany logs while the players who moved on to books are getting star coins. That's a big difference in loot. And most of the quests you do will be dictated by excelsior content. So if you can't get the manu recipe, it will be a daily frustration. And after 40-50 tries, it will become infuriating. Why lose high level players over sth that shouldn't be random in the first place? Loot should be random, but access to a major portion of game content shouldn't be.
We play video games to relax & have fun. If there's an issue which is a daily source of irritation, even though a minor one, it pushes people to other games. I've found myself playing settlers less & less over the last month or so. I only do an adventure when I have enough letter frags to get another quest, & I'm sure that wasn't the intention of the excelsior content.
I'm urging players to express how frustrating the issue is and BB to fix the issue as soon as possible. In the meantime, I'll be checking out other city sim games that don't seem to be quite as dedicated to irritating upper level players.
I'm running up to 30+ myself, its getting a bit on my nerves tbh.
Perhaps the chance of getting it should go up a tiny amount with each successive fail.
You barking up the wrong tree if u think BB will budge about this. It is pure intentional by them to get high level players to spend real money on gems to buy crystals.
Yes its a corrupt system, but its not worth quitting over, Ive had 8 attempts without being tempted to buy gems for crystal, I know I will never get it so Ive moved on to books/travel guides.
After gathering much info from players who got it within 3 tries, it seems if u got an island comparable to an Aldi/Lidl budget u will get it quickly. If your island is more Harrod's stature u got no chance, lol.
lordloocan
02.02.17, 20:36
Certainly not something worth quitting over. I got the recipe on about 12th go but I have only bothered using it twice out of interest.
whitewolf69
02.02.17, 22:47
If your island is more Harrod's stature u got no chance id like to think my map was on a par with harrods and i got it 1st go so it really is luck :)
46-47+ tries here and I'm not quitting the game over that, it's just one small part of the game.
Well 30tries here but is ok...., i try to get Mimiron's Head from 2009 so no hurry with this manuscript.
You barking up the wrong tree if u think BB will budge about this. It is pure intentional by them to get high level players to spend real money on gems to buy crystals.
Yes its a corrupt system, but its not worth quitting over, Ive had 8 attempts without being tempted to buy gems for crystal, I know I will never get it so Ive moved on to books/travel guides.
After gathering much info from players who got it within 3 tries, it seems if u got an island comparable to an Aldi/Lidl budget u will get it quickly. If your island is more Harrod's stature u got no chance, lol.
You might be right-it could be based on sth like that, or how often you've spent gems. Personally, I think they do it to test content. Lock a few accounts out of an important reward & see how many buy gems vs how many quit. If enough accounts spend gems on it, it's a big win for them, though frustrating for the players.
46-47+ tries here and I'm not quitting the game over that, it's just one small part of the game.
Maybe it's not worth quitting over, but it means grinding ali baba/wood cutter over and over, when I'd rather go on to the book content. And the rewards for the long letters are much worse than the book rewards (star coins). So it's sth that comes up every day.
Certainly not something worth quitting over. I got the recipe on about 12th go but I have only bothered using it twice out of interest.
I would use it a lot though- I have 8 savage scouts with no books. Not to mention that the other books recipes are worthless without the manuscript recipe.
id like to think my map was on a par with harrods and i got it 1st go so it really is luck :)
It could also be a glitch. For some accounts that didn't get it soon, the game thinks your account already has the recipe. Perhaps it's not really ath nefarious on their part, but such a significant reward should have been an achievement, not a random drop.
I agree that the luck element is frustrating.
I got mine pretty quickly and since then I have made loads of manuscripts. The first 250 I left in star menu till I needed some so I would estimate that I have made in excess of 500. Thats a pretty hefty uplift against someone at the same level, with similar island and game style. An unfair advantage? YES! Especially when it comes to maxing explorers and scouts to take advantage of event explorer finds.
Its why i do not like the gambling aspect in these games. It adds nothing to the game, and causes many to become frustrated. If we must have the luck element then I think the manuscript and others should capped, so you get it after say attempt 15 no matter what.
AllIhadleft
04.02.17, 11:24
I'm on my 22nd try and getting pretty fed up with it... if BB wont budge about making it more fair, then I will do the same and not spend a cent on buying crystals... I'll do other stuff in the game and from time to time try again.
I know this isn't the propoer place but the new 15 minute rule in trade also stinks... after so many great things they have done recently I guess some bad things were bound to happen in other to balance things out.
AllIhadleft
04.02.17, 11:30
I'm on my 22nd try... a bit fed up with it myself... no spending money on crystals because this is rather unfair of them to do this to certain players. There could be limits to the number of unsuccessfull attemps or at the very least increment a better chance of getting them with each new try as somebody stated a bit further back in the thread.
Just an other off topic... the new 15 minute rule in trade isn't one of my favorite new inventions either.
The_Sarmatian
04.02.17, 23:16
Quitting? Those quests do give you like 500k xp and 500 grout each. So no, I do not think so. I am after doing 12+ letter quests now and still no manuscript recipe. :(
However when you get the pestilential compass letter quest once or twice in a row every single time you try to gamble this stupid rnd system to get another but doable letter quest is excruciatingly irritating. I am stack with 5 useless compass craps in my star menu and tbh many times by now I was so irritated that if they were "x" deletable I would erase them from my star menu in a feat of rage. The compass has 50%-66% chance of being found and I think BB silently rigged it this way.
The_Sarmatian
04.02.17, 23:38
For 6 months I tried finding extra iron deposit. Sending geo with "lucky find" almost on daily basis after iron deposits. No extra iron deposit found. This is like what... 180+ days?
The rng spits out compass quest letter at 50%-66% rate for me. I have 5 compass items in my star menu right now. Though I did 2-3 by now they are utterly undoable for long long time for me.
For 1 entire year I could not get return from bandit nest in loot and I was doing bandit nests almost daily. Still all people claim loot from adventures is fine, but not to my experience.
So it is just almost normal and regular for me why after 12+ tries I still cant obtain the manuscript recipe. Plus the 500k xp and 500 grout does sweet it out. Just another day with the TSO rng for me. Though if there are no bugs affecting all this rng stuff I wrote about, then rng in TSO has to be rigged, doesn't it. It is hilariously improbable why rng so firmly roles negative odds against me day after day, years after years in this game. Maybe rng works fine for other peoples, but it never worked fine for me on TSO for some reason.
49-50 tries and still no Manuscript recipe, am getting bitter now...
There IS a SECRET to getting the recipe.
( personally I have a feeling that even BB are not aware of it - if they are then that's a good sign that they have stopped dumbing down the game and giving everything away for little effort or thought. )
Remember the achievement that required us to gain {not 100% sure of exact wording} 15 marble mines but there was only 14 possible ? Then BB TOLD us how to do it by upgrading geologist with books to find the extra mine !! For this reason I believe BB don't even know or they would be spilling the magic beans already :)
Happy hunting.
Gee I must have been blessed, I got it on the first go around :)
There IS a SECRET to getting the recipe.
( personally I have a feeling that even BB are not aware of it - if they are then that's a good sign that they have stopped dumbing down the game and giving everything away for little effort or thought. )
Remember the achievement that required us to gain {not 100% sure of exact wording} 15 marble mines but there was only 14 possible ? Then BB TOLD us how to do it by upgrading geologist with books to find the extra mine !! For this reason I believe BB don't even know or they would be spilling the magic beans already :)
Happy hunting.
So if there 'IS A' secret as you are suggesting, what is it? It's not really making any sense...
Quitting over something that has been running what, a few months? I've been trying for a building from an adventure for years now, sometimes doing the adventure 3 times a day (a lot for a basic island like mine), but still no building. I keep, every now and then, getting a few blue flowers. Perhaps BB have stopped the building . . . who knows, who cares i will keep trying perhaps I should quit . . .
Firstly, just deal with random. It is what it is. Ask any hardcore gambler.
Secondly, it's rather expensive to use so not the fantastic bonus it seems. Much better in Bookbinder.
Thirdly, I don't have it yet either but the wife Diwata got it third try. She doesn't use it though because she doesn't like the cost and the time it ties up the provision house.
So I would suggest not overthinking it and just keep playing. It will happen when it happens. There are many other things worthy of focusing on.
Another player who is frustrated at not getting the manuscript recipe, and to add salt to the wound, getting the quest that requires a Codex to be completed, but 50 gems are nice ;)
And another Lost Compass to add to the list. :(
Taken a month to complete another failed Lost Compass. :(
And another to add to the list :(
There IS a SECRET to getting the recipe.
( personally I have a feeling that even BB are not aware of it - if they are then that's a good sign that they have stopped dumbing down the game and giving everything away for little effort or thought. )
Remember the achievement that required us to gain {not 100% sure of exact wording} 15 marble mines but there was only 14 possible ? Then BB TOLD us how to do it by upgrading geologist with books to find the extra mine !! For this reason I believe BB don't even know or they would be spilling the magic beans already :)
Happy hunting.
There is no secret, there is RNG.
topgearfan
09.02.17, 11:59
All hail the RNG!
TabulaRasa
09.02.17, 16:21
There is no secret, there is RNG.
Math.random();
try this:
Math.floor((Math.random() * 2) + 1);
there is no way someone will throw a coin and will get back the head 50 times in a row... and if there is a remote chance, there is no way it would affect so many peoples :) so no, there is no RNG, just a bad written algorithm using some pseudo random generator as in all the IT nowdays :P :)
Math.random();
try this:
Math.floor((Math.random() * 2) + 1);
there is no way someone will throw a coin and will get back the head 50 times in a row... and if there is a remote chance, there is no way it would affect so many peoples :) so no, there is no RNG, just a bad written algorithm using some pseudo random generator as in all the IT nowdays :P :)
For your claim to be true you would have to have access to privileged information.
My queries would be - Can only get once from a box? Or, can you only get if you have a RPH. I got my RPH house at xmas just gone, and if the answer is yes to one or both of these questions then it could be causing zero results if the code is bugged. Some clarification would be nice to at least put peoples minds at ease :)
A bit of logical thought here helps, more than one is of no use. Therefore you can only get it once. There is no mechanic visible for all other items a player can acquire which they can't use to prevent them getting them. Therefore not having a RPH is no bar to getting the recipe.
If there's code behind the manuscripts, then it's feasible that it could be getting its knickers in a twist. Id love to know if somebody has picked one up though without a RPH. What if for example the client thinks you have already got one when you haven't.
There is a cunning secret to manuscript recipe acquisition ; after 25 fails I realised brute force wasn't the answer. I figured it out and got it immediately my next attempt. There are 2 groups of players here : Players that get it in 1-3 attempts ; Players that are still trying after 20-30 attempts. Its not RNG - there is a difference between these 2 groups. Its not hard to figure out tbh. This is a nice little puzzle here and I'm not gonna spoil it for players that like these kind of challenges but give it another few weeks and I'm sure someone will post the answer ! ( if not then I will post a spoiler alert when I hit level 75 ) :)
There is a cunning secret to manuscript recipe acquisition ; after 25 fails I realised brute force wasn't the answer. I figured it out and got it immediately my next attempt.
I havent spent a dime on this game since 2012 and still got the recipe on 2nd or 3rd attempt.
If thats what you're implying :)
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I think what we have here is the usual case when it comes to RNG - the most unlucky ones are the only ones to speak out, which gives us the wrong impression of the RNG in this game.
There is a cunning secret to manuscript recipe acquisition ; after 25 fails I realised brute force wasn't the answer. I figured it out and got it immediately my next attempt. There are 2 groups of players here : Players that get it in 1-3 attempts ; Players that are still trying after 20-30 attempts. Its not RNG - there is a difference between these 2 groups. Its not hard to figure out tbh. This is a nice little puzzle here and I'm not gonna spoil it for players that like these kind of challenges but give it another few weeks and I'm sure someone will post the answer ! ( if not then I will post a spoiler alert when I hit level 75 ) :)
Lets see. It's possible to roll up to 99 crystal a time. This tells us with say 1000 players that means the system has to be generating 8.6 BILLION random numbers a day minimum. Out of all those rolls you needed just 1 to go the way you wanted. You have no way to prove your so called system works as you can not replicate it.
The fact you got it just shows it was your time to get it, to believe anything else is just delusional.
*cough*Don't feed the troll*cough*
Lets see. It's possible to roll up to 99 crystal a time. This tells us with say 1000 players that means the system has to be generating 8.6 BILLION random numbers a day minimum. Out of all those rolls you needed just 1 to go the way you wanted. You have no way to prove your so called system works as you can not replicate it.
The fact you got it just shows it was your time to get it, to believe anything else is just delusional.
Was your comment meant for me ? I said its not RNG ( not entirely anyway ).
Daybreaker
12.02.17, 22:17
17 trys, now is 18 try , all FAIL :( .
Are people suggesting that if you buy spins with gems you are guaranteeing higher success rates?
And with the new generals, this is more of an issue to those unlucky enough to still not have it.
I myself am at around 30+ long letters without luck while someone in guild got it months ago on 2nd or so try and has been making manuscripts around the clock with barazeks. He can science up his gens as soon as they are released now while I may struggle to get 1 or 2 done :/
And with the new generals, this is more of an issue to those unlucky enough to still not have it.
I myself am at around 30+ long letters without luck while someone in guild got it months ago on 2nd or so try and has been making manuscripts around the clock with barazeks. He can science up his gens as soon as they are released now while I may struggle to get 1 or 2 done :/
It will not be a struggle because it will be impossible. The science system only arrived on test today, the Gens arrive in the shop on Tuesday. There is no way we will be getting General science with just 5 days of testing.
There will be a few months before this goes live at least, but this recipe will be crucial. Ive had 10 tries now without luck, that's 10 tries without spending a single gem! I shudder to think how many gems have been spent by the guys on 30+ tries.
Well I hear the record attempts of trying to get the manuscript recipe is 72 tries, from a poor soul from the German servers, Don't worry, he got it on his 73rd attempt, hehe.
Well even with recipe - if we dont get another way of getting books - like in loot or something,- then it really does not matter with the gen skill tree, woul take several years to get enough books anyway.
If BB dont come up with some other way to get books - they can put the gen skill tree where the sun never shines :p
I got the manu recipe - and no I am not swimming in books - I still only skilled a few of my geos explorers, and the skills I used some of them on are highly outdated for someone my level anyway. In fact there is not much to put them on that matches my level.
I really dont need more map fragments, more whirlwind adventures, more exo wood or any other wood. I dont need marble, stone or granite, really dont need more copper ore, have no use of more beans.
Only useful thing is faster on all searches and the artifact search. The bonus quest thing was nice for some month - but dont need any more quests to do dark priest or whirlwind.
Could do with a move books for free week, and a toltal makeover of the books skill trees for geos and scouts.
So dont fuss about that manu recipe - it is not that fantastic. It is expensive and take a lot of time to make manus in rph.
It will not be a struggle because it will be impossible. The science system only arrived on test today, the Gens arrive in the shop on Tuesday. There is no way we will be getting General science with just 5 days of testing.
Im obviously not stressing with the anticipation that general trees will be in shortly, but it requires 5 manuscripts 10 tomes 6x codex
So dont fuss about that manu recipe - it is not that fantastic. It is expensive and take a lot of time to make manus in rph.
6 codex takes 18 tomes, 28 tomes take, 38 tomes take 140 manuscripts.
Being able to create those total 145 required manuscripts in RPH is a MAJOR boon
A manuscript in RPH takes 7h30, but you can reliably x4 that with a barazek, which gives you a manuscript in under 2 hours each. Compared to a a bookmaker where you can't queue books, and thus buffs are potentially completely wasted/unreliable, taking 10hrs for a manuscript.
So that RPH manuscript making is nearly a x5 production improvement on a incredibly large part of the required items needed to upgrade specialists.
Im obviously not stressing with the anticipation that general trees will be in shortly, but it requires 5 manuscripts 10 tomes 6x codex
6 codex takes 18 tomes, 28 tomes take, 38 tomes take 140 manuscripts.
Being able to create those total 145 required manuscripts in RPH is a MAJOR boon
A manuscript in RPH takes 7h30, but you can reliably x4 that with a barazek, which gives you a manuscript in under 2 hours each. Compared to a a bookmaker where you can't queue books, and thus buffs are potentially completely wasted/unreliable, taking 10hrs for a manuscript.
So that RPH manuscript making is nearly a x5 production improvement on a incredibly large part of the required items needed to upgrade specialists.
Even with that - I think I will have books to skill my gens in 10 years or so :p
It still take way too long to skill specialists
Increasing the drop rate of all the follow on adventures (Like return to bandit nest) would help a little bit, and ensure that you get a manuscript for a short letter quest and codex for long, like you do for normal later quests - Tome reward.
Making books in the RPH is a high level bonus which can be earned, it is not a right which all players deserve just for playing the game. There are going to be a lot of players who can only wait until they are of a high enough level to be able to do long letters, let alone dreaming of being high enough to run books or the highest level travel guides. So saying you absolutely must have the recipes so as to skill up generals is akin to a kid demanding it's parents that it needs that toy just because another kid down the street has one.
It's past the point of ridiculous with the addition of the new skill trees for generals. BB, why would you possibly do this to loyal players who have played the game for years and purchased gems? Why would you possibly create important new content and not allow some accounts to access it? As Koraku pointed out, it would take hundreds of manuscripts to book the generals. It is never going to happen for accounts that can't get the recipe. It's just adding insult to injury at this point.
I have bought gems in the past (a lot of them) so I have no idea if that's why my account is one of the penalized ones. I'd be interested in hearing how many of the accounts that can't get the recipe are gem purchasers. I don't mind spending money on a game I play as much as I did settlers, but I won't do it for content I'll never be able to use. If BB releases the skill trees for generals without fixing the manuscript issue, that will be enough for me to make the final decision to quit the
game. Even for the players where it's not the sole reason for quitting, it will be enough additional frustration to drive others out. Unfortunately, BB apparently doesn't even care enough about retaining players to pay attention to what's being said in the forum or respond to it. Sad!
FastSimTSOmaps
18.02.17, 09:06
I got mine after... 15-20 times trying
Trying from beginning to get a manuscript and still don't have it, its really irritating!
Even don't know how many chrytals I've burned for getting the quests, I use every opportunity to get them and I'm in premium so it must have been lots, didn't expect that it would take that long. Love the extra XP from the quests, but after opening 3 boxes again today.....:S
needtoplay
22.02.17, 15:21
Same here, I have done quite a few, I did the Settlers & Bandits (Book Of Characters) one the other day and still did not get the manuscript.
Getting quite annoying now.
Same here, I have done quite a few, I did the Settlers & Bandits (Book Of Characters) one the other day and still did not get the manuscript.
Getting quite annoying now.
I think the thing that annoys me most about it is that BB won't even acknowledge the issue or make any response about it. I even put in a support ticket for it, but got no response at all from them. Yet they're putting out new content (general's skill tree) that will make a big difference in the game for players that have it. How can they not even respond on the issue?
I think the thing that annoys me most about it is that BB won't even acknowledge the issue or make any response about it. I even put in a support ticket for it, but got no response at all from them. Yet they're putting out new content (general's skill tree) that will make a big difference in the game for players that have it. How can they not even respond on the issue?
I'm going to keep trying regardless, but I would be curious what the odds actually are
Get in!! Got it on the 11th attempt, didn't succumb to buying gems either. but after only getting 2 evil queen & 2 lost city Ive been stuck on long letter for weeks and to have something important as the manuscript recipe at a tiny chance is criminal imho.
Absolute huge part of the game this recipe has become now, the rph is not great for tome/codex but for manuscripts they are.
Feel sry for anyone who's had over 20 attempts without success as I was raging inside on just 10 attempts!
I would hope that BB will look into fixing this issue by giving it to anyone who's had at least 15 attempts but that would be a big disruption in revenue.
As far as changing the system, I have two thoughts:
1) There is no reason why anyone must have the manuscript recipe to play/succeed. You have a book binder. It can get the job done. If you want to invest in buffs for it you can speed things up. And in the book binder it costs less.
but
2) Other recipes for the provision houses were available guaranteed for a fixed price. It seems interesting to me that the book recipes are random, therefore slightly inconsistent. If it was up to me, I would make each chance cumulative so that you were guaranteed to get it eventually - perhaps something like 2% 1st time, 4% 2nd time, 6% 3rd time, etc. up to 100% - or whatever increment would make the most sense to the devlopers.
I'm in the situation of not having it (yet) while my wife already got it, so it's especially annoying to me for that reason alone. But I can't forget point 1 above. Not having the recipe doesn't mean I can't make books, so I just have to do the best I can. (I have an Epic Farm and she doesn't so I can tease her about that :D )
I already have all 25 scouts/explorers and 5 jollies fully upgraded (at least 5 codex on each) within a few months b4 they destroyed the drop on BN. My concern is for the upcoming general tree, It will take years to upgrade 30 generals (which I assume most veteran's have) unless u have that manuscript recipe.
I can guarantee it's just become a big deal to get your hands on it, it's not worth quitting over but can become infuriating. Just ask the German guy with 73 attempts if he think it was important enough, lol.
Kryss_Drynn
27.02.17, 10:29
I'm sure if the recipe was available for gems in the merchant chest it would sell instantly (just an option)
Yes...it is frustrating. 40 attempts to date, but not worth quitting.
Yes, I agree. 37 attempts for me now:(
AllIhadleft
01.03.17, 00:24
26 and counting
WanaBSettler
01.03.17, 03:54
Took Me 27 tries to get the manuscript recopy. It was frustrating indeed, but i am happy i did get it eventually.
40 tries is really a bit harsh. But i don't think BB will do anything to change this. They force many frustrated players to use gems on excelsior with their lower drop rates.
On the positive side i can say that i did in the process make allot of XP from the quests/adv's.
Do Bart the Barterer. Tome every time (takes me 5 manuscripts to make a tome). Better than making the manuscripts to change into tomes.
Lavesh2014
01.03.17, 07:59
Its getting very frustrating now after so many trial still no recipe and its very very unfair while some players with a few tries got the recipe. BB shall consider putting the recipes in shop so we can buy them with gems as an option. Alternatively, BB can also consider a cue system on book binder so we can produce manuscript, tomes, codex continuously.
... BB can also consider a cue system on book binder so we can produce manuscript, tomes, codex continuously.
Like being able to have a bunch queued for unexpected down-times ;)
Lost the count of times I tried, but I now have 72 paperwork guides in stock (never used one), so it gives an idea of times I tried.
tried with gems/without, tried clearing cache, using browser private mode, etc.
Another fail this morning, pretty upset.
Just failed again to get manuscript recipe, my 39th attempt..........Perhaps I will get it at 40th
queen-vicious
05.03.17, 03:12
it really has become beyond a joke that some of us have tried so many times without success :(
I don't know how many attempts I have made but did the short letters 2 or 3 times and 1 medium. the rest has been trying for manuscript :(
Salem_Warrior_1
13.03.17, 06:45
The Great Salem walks into this forum post, yes ive everything and been lucky with so many drops, alas ive no manu recipe, indeed 42 times now, oww well no bother ill keep bashing for the xp is cool whilst trying
I also think it's a travesty that BB won't respond to the thread or make some kind of announcement about the problem. This thread now has more replies than the sticky post, but BB still won't do anything. There's clearly a glitch with some accounts. The "RNG" must think our account has the recipe, so we're never going to get it. Everyone I've talked to either gets it within the first few attempts or is still trying at 40+. That's not a "random" statistical distribution. That's a glitch. Either they can't fix it or it's getting players to buy gems, so they don't want to fix it.
I also think it's a travesty that BB won't respond to the thread or make some kind of announcement about the problem. This thread now has more replies than the sticky post, but BB still won't do anything. There's clearly a glitch with some accounts. The "RNG" must think our account has the recipe, so we're never going to get it. Everyone I've talked to either gets it within the first few attempts or is still trying at 40+. That's not a "random" statistical distribution. That's a glitch. Either they can't fix it or it's getting players to buy gems, so they don't want to fix it.
You're ignoring all the people in this thread who said that it took 10 or 20 or 30 attempt to get the recipe. I understand that it's frustrating if it takes you longer than average, but that's not evidence of a glitch and your 'everyone I've spoken to' is demonstrably false just by the responses in this thread (which also isn't proper data).
It's dumb that BB have made the drop purely random, but that's the way that all loot in the game works - it's either automatic or it's completely random. If the drop is small enough (and I suspect that it's a less than 5% drop from what I can see) then, yes statistically there is a chance that you can play it through 50 times, 100 times or 200 times and not get it. That chance is very, very small, but in a large enough game community, 0.0001% chances can affect quite a lot of people.
I finally got mine yesterday, after nearly 40 attempts.. I don't envy the people who are well beyond that, its ridiculous
I thought I may be lucky with this, my 40th attempt...........I thought wrong:(
GOT IT!
Tried 4 differents things (first 2 did not work, but tried the same day, so maybe they helped)
1- I bought small pack of gems
2- I bought a 2nd spot from someone instead of doing my ali
failed
3- Spend gems for about 20 crystals to get another quest
4- Sent a 2nd map to a friend, he started it and I completed it.
So now I have few days of manu queued :)
Good luck for thos still looking for it
GOT IT!
Tried 4 differents things (first 2 did not work, but tried the same day, so maybe they helped)
1- I bought small pack of gems
2- I bought a 2nd spot from someone instead of doing my ali
failed
3- Spend gems for about 20 crystals to get another quest
4- Sent a 2nd map to a friend, he started it and I completed it.
So now I have few days of manu queued :)
Good luck for thos still looking for it
What may at first appear to be a favorable conjunction of co-incidental events may not be as promising as it first looked.
AllIhadleft
14.03.17, 00:07
Finally, after 27 attemps
45 attempts to date....got 110 paperwork buffs..lol....but still trying
Well so much for my 42nd attempt...........back to the drawing board!
i got mine after 5 tries, i did not use gems and did not do a AB ls, did not buy gems either, just followed the quest, (do have a rph) but random loot does suck
Better luck next time, Amazola and gratz Sanellen. Dropped another compass quest..so after maint done just need to complete AB then see wot's in the box...lucky no 46.I know you get resources from all these attempts but it is holding me back with farmyard quests for upgrades and I have any amount of resources to make the scripts...fingers crossed.
Finally got it,30+ attempts
gratz...Baldyted.....just opened chest no 46...sighs...lucky 47 then...lol
Cheers Murph0,i bet you get it on no.48:))
Dropped another compass,,,out of crystals...tomes in stock....and it just dropped...woooohoooo...lucky 47...good luck all...keep going. Cheers Baldyted.....:)
I fully agree with shasnas "Quitting game over manuscript recipe?" and I can not describe my anger because of endless attempts to obtain some recipe.
Just keep trying, while I agree the random element to getting the recipe is wrong, It still would not make me quit over it.
I was getting to have an attempt maybe every 7-10 days (jus from login & dq crystals) It will drop eventually. Patience is required.
queen-vicious
26.03.17, 03:15
somewhere between 40-50 attempts and i finally have mine :D .... now to keep trying for the others lol
Finally, on my 43rd attempt............hallelujah, at long last I have the manuscript recipe and on Mothers Day too:)))))))))))
Not to dishearten anyone, but I did some spreadsheeting to show how valuable the manuscript recipe actually is.
Say you're a high level player, you have 2 majors, 6 mmas (after easter) and all 3 coa. With a typical investment of 5/10/6 (=21) you're looking at:
55 manuscripts
110 tomes
66 codex
66 codex eat 198 tome, and 110+198 tome eat 1540 manuscripts.
So our totals come out to:
1595 manuscripts (@10h)
308 tomes (@12h)
66 codex (@14h)
Using only the bookbinder this will take 20570 hours, or 857 days if continuously produced.
If the RPH can do manuscripts it takes the total in bookbinder time down to 4620 hours, or 192 days (20570 - 15950 hrs of manuscript time)
Keep in mind bookbinder time is in fact not continuous, you'll miss minutes/hours because of the lack of queuing and therefore buffing is pretty much useless.
The manuscripts in RPH take 7h30, which totals up to 9525 hours or 397 days. But since you can queue and barazek (x4) it, in an ideal situation it would come down to 99 days. If you only do 1 barazek a day which is feasible, you'd be around the 150-170 day mark.
The beauty ofcourse being that you can run bookbinder and RPH together! which means the manuscript recipe alone can cut down your book production from 850 to ~200 days.
This is assuming the investment of 1228150 simple paper 988900 nibs, 159500 beans and 51040 gold coins is not a problem over the course of those 200 days, and ~200 barazeks.
So to those diminishing the impact of (not) having the manuscript recipe in RPH.. here you go.
This thread should not die. This feature is poor game design.
Another 50 gems. Wow. Thrilled.
Another day, another 50 gems that make me less likely to buy gems in the store. A truly inspired piece of game design. I love it.
same here
well i stoped counting still no luck here
trying later today to open one to see if gems or recipe.
but not worth quitting game over eventually it hopefull will come out.
fishybreath
07.04.17, 17:33
Got mine eventually after don't know how many times. Don't give up, keep at it.
TheVictorious
01.05.17, 07:10
Guaranteed loot: This mechanism will guarantee a drop of a rare item reward, if the item did not drop after a specific amount of rolls on the loot table. This mechanism will reduce the frustration among the community for being dependant on "luck". More info on affected game elements to follow.
This update deployed in test server on 27th April :)
looks like its indeed intended for manuscript and other recipes, bit late, but better late than never I guess
This update deployed in test server on 27th April :)
SPOILERS! But joking aside, this change is coming due to feedback just like this thread. Thanks all! :)
lordloocan
01.05.17, 10:36
SPOILERS! But joking aside, this change is coming due to feedback just like this thread. Thanks all! :)
Will this then apply to all rare items? For example, angel gate, pirate residence, bone church? And what about follow on adventures such as More Sec Expts, RTBN, etc?
Will this then apply to all rare items? For example, angel gate, pirate residence, bone church? And what about follow on adventures such as More Sec Expts, RTBN, etc?
Can't do into more details right now I'm afraid, but we'll have more information on it in the very near future. Hang tight!
TheVictorious
01.05.17, 13:15
Can't do into more details right now I'm afraid, but we'll have more information on it in the very near future. Hang tight!
I really hope it is a general not only for ventures.
Thanks BB.
Hooooly moly!
I'm somewhere 20+. Stopped counting. Maybe I should stop hoping.
Please watch the language on the forums
TheVictorious
02.05.17, 12:57
Hooooly moly!
I'm somewhere 20+. Stopped counting. Maybe I should stop hoping.
Please watch the language on the forums
never :)
see the other post, there is new update soon to guarantee the recipe, and some people passed 40 attempts :)
It's about time they made it available in the merchant for gems. I'm sick of trying to get it, every other recipe is there for sale
It's about time they made it available in the merchant for gems. I'm sick of trying to get it, every other recipe is there for sale
+100 Best suggestion ever :)
And there we go. T,he penny drops for BB, and the recipe drops for me.
Typical if I got "lucky" at last before the change, or is it the change? Whichever.
Anyway.... nice to know they do listen and act (eventually! This type of thing is years old, even if the recipe thing is more recent). Well done.
TheVictorious
03.05.17, 07:14
+100 Best suggestion ever :)
-100 no I don't like the paying style, just play and get what you deserve :)
Bluesavanah
03.05.17, 09:20
-100 no I don't like the paying style, just play and get what you deserve :)
I'm sorry but how does one deserve a manuscript recipe ?
You ultimately pay gems for it anyway once you run out of crystals all people want is a set price.
Tried another 2 times, gems again!
More gems, this is getting old
EasyTarget1
08.05.17, 13:28
Chance increase to cater for gen books :)
-100 no I don't like the paying style, just play and get what you deserve :)
If you don't like the paying style that's fine, don't pay for it, but plenty of other are buying gems, I could spend the next 50 years trying to get these recipes, even if we could buy the letter quests for gems with a 100% chance of getting the recipe at the end it would be good
random loot is a horrible system. I have had to buy 99% of my res's from to. would be better if u could earn some kind of points towards a final goal and maybe the amount of points could be random. this would also give incentive to do advs as many of us lack the desire to start yet another adv a day after finishing 1. at least with the evil queen chain ur guaranteed a recipe every time u complete the chain. its still random tho and i'm a bit fed up with trying to get the silo recipe :(
after having said all that, I wouldn't like to see things like this in the shop. you may as well put every single game item in there. then we could buy everything we wanted and there would be no need to play the game!
Mannerheim
08.05.17, 20:59
For those who still don't know: don't waste your crystal's until a new dev diary or update comes. They are adding a guaranteed loot system to the game.
General skill tree is coming soon so I thought I would post this. Also guaranteed loot is a backward step in my opinion - please think again BB.
After about 25 failed attempts to get the manuscript recipe I analysed everything I had done , read all the comments on the forum and came up with a theory. I then got it on my very next attempt. Was fun working this out - more please BB :)
This is how it works. If you have no recipes in rarity provision house the chances are 1 in 19 ; if you have all the recipes except the books the chances are 1 in 3. Simple. Hope this works for you.
Have fun people :p
guaranteed loot is a backward step in my opinion - please think again BB.
??? what did i miss?
i have all recipes and it took me 15 attempts to get it on sandy on north it took me 20 attempts and i dont have all recipes there i dont think
??? what did i miss?
something people been talking about on test server for rare items in addy loots
You are badly mistaken with this, your sample size is too small. I strongly advise that other players ignore any ideas such as this.
You are badly mistaken with this, your sample size is too small. I strongly advise that other players ignore any ideas such as this.
I have never seen you make a positive , constructive comment on any thread - but then again maybe my sample size was too small :p
For everyone else please feel free to post your attempts plus your recipe numbers so we can compare , this is just a theory after all and I'm open to your input.
For myself as above 25 attempts with 9 recipes - fail ; 1 attempt with 16 recipes - win.
Mannerheim
09.05.17, 18:09
Why did you say guaranteed loot is a step back? do you even know how it works because no dev diary or other detailed info is out yet aside the vague test server change log entry.
You say your sample size with 16 recipes is 1, can you please explain how you arrived at a 1 in 3 chance from that ?
I have 10 recipes in rarity,got manus in 1st. try
MorellaCarter
10.05.17, 04:40
5 recipes, 4 tries. I agree with previous comments about your sample size being too small. But that's the good thing with a thread like this, you can gather more data. :)
Why did you say guaranteed loot is a step back? do you even know how it works because no dev diary or other detailed info is out yet aside the vague test server change log entry.
I wondered that myself
11 recepies, 10-15 tries.
This is another case of peopel haivng trouble with cause, effect, causality and randomness. It's how religions start.
The only thing we are accomplishing here is posting how many times it took us to get manu recepie. And we already have a thread for that.
The one guy I know who defo has all recepies, took him 40+ tries.
2 other people I'm almost certian have all got them in 1.
When sample size goes up a bit from "none at all" your theory has more holes than swiss cheese.
TheVictorious
10.05.17, 08:09
Also guaranteed loot is a backward step in my opinion - please think again BB.Really!!?! how? why?
This is what people suggest from ages ago! this is what people want, and BB found solution for this, not your right to say this like all players will support you !!
See this: http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/34448-LOOT-system-(a-reply-to-manuscript-recipe-not-dropping)
and This: http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/33591-random-loot
and there is even more..
No, from my side and as I see from comments and suggestion forum, we like this idea, specially if this applied to all rare items not only recipes.!
Also, before you ask about people experience, read them, they already posted !
Here: http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/33842-manuscript-recipe-from-letters
And Here: http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/34392-Quitting-game-over-manuscript-recipe
I've merged these threads to keep things focused on one discussion regarding the drop rate.
not your right to say this
Relax man , we can all say what we want as long as its pegi 7 and doesn't break the forum rules.( skimmed through all those links and saw others who wanted things to stay as they are ).
Anyone had any luck with manuscript recipe btw - hope my idea has helped.
This is another case of peopel haivng trouble with cause, effect, causality and randomness. It's how religions start.
Beautifully put :D
This is another case of peopel haivng trouble with cause, effect, causality and randomness. It's how religions start.
Beautifully put :D
O, beware - do not anger the God of RNG..
O, beware - do not anger the God of RNG..
You just have for she is a goddess.
You should have gone to specsavers :)
Beautifully put :D
Randomness is the name we give to laws as yet unknown.
Got it yesterday. 15-20 attempts?
700 crystals left, been producing long letters only from day zero till yesterday to get the recipe...
Got it yesterday. 15-20 attempts?
700 crystals left, been producing long letters only from day zero till yesterday to get the recipe...
congrats - how many recipes in your RPH ?
Randomness is the name we give to laws as yet unknown.
Ha, maybe, but this is the thinking that GrimH quietly satirized.
Look for meaning. Believe in it. But I just see a bad game mechanism now hopefully solved.
I needed 45 attempts before I got the recipe. But now I am happy. It costed a lot of time and gems to get enough
Tried another 2x, still nothing, where is the queue we have been asking for in the bookbinder?
still trying here, lost count :D
I got it about 2 months ago, it must have taken me 40 plus attempts. So don't give up, it'll happen. It is worth working for. When I found out about the general skill tree implementation last week I managed to produce 45 manuscripts to get my general updates off to a flying start. Good luck everyone :)
Belgium_warrior
21.05.17, 09:17
I lost count on how many i did but with the latest dropping another 50 gems ( useless, i have gems pits so yes bb already made money on me) i'm just totally fed up, with the release of the new gen skill trees they should change the chance from getting them from luck based to guaranteed on the first long letter.
I'm the last in my guild to not have it, all my guildies are upgrading their gens while i'm happy to get a single manuscript to apply 1 buff, you cant justify that big a difference.
Also, I have the tome recipee, totally useless with the manu recipee
We can all whine all we want, BB really isnt looking here, why would they? Only way to make a difference is contact support and complain, make bb understand it decreases people's joy of playing the 'game' which isnt in their best interest. I believe anyone of high enough level to make long letters has a right to the manuscript recipee on the first run, people will still do them for their xp afterwards.
EasyTarget1
21.05.17, 09:27
Would be nice. I've only done a few less than 10, prolly a long road ahead.
Complaint ticket raised.
Just in case you guys missed it, we're planning on adding a feature to reduce the frustration caused by the random nature of the manuscript:
Guaranteed loot: This mechanism will guarantee a drop of a rare item reward if the item did not drop after a specific amount of rolls on the loot table. This mechanism will reduce the frustration among the community for being dependant on "luck". More info on affected game elements to follow.
It's already being tested on our Test Servers! We'll have more information on this in the near future, so just hang tight!
perhaps you could take into the account the number of failed attempts already made by us unlucky ones in bringing in the guaranteed loot mechanism
Thejollyone
24.05.17, 17:06
It's already being tested on our Test Servers! We'll have more information on this in the near future, so just hang tight!
I think a lot of us are awaiting confirmation on exactly what loots are going to be affected by this mechanism?
Yes maybe the manuscripts, but what about the follow-on adventures from ANY adventure that should drop them? And what about rare buildings, too?
Please can you clarify it pertains to ALL special loots and not just the recipes?
Many thanks :)
last 104 BN have netted 1 RTBN but since I started recording 342 BN has dropped 20 RTBN so 5.85% so they are sort of working its just the % which is too low.
I think a lot of us are awaiting confirmation on exactly what loots are going to be affected by this mechanism? Please can you clarify it pertains to ALL special loots and not just the recipes?
The feature is still in development, so until it's finalised I can't confirm exactly what it includes yet.
Faelivrin23
30.05.17, 05:19
Got it on my 10th attempt here, a little frustrating...but not too bad. And I use it every single day...
Got it on my 10th attempt here, a little frustrating...but not too bad. And I use it every single day...
Congratulations!
So like - If I play test and open a few of these long letter reward boxes I'll notice a change? I've just opened 4 on test following 4 long letter quests. Didn't get the recipe on test, or notice any difference.
So like - If I play test and open a few of these long letter reward boxes I'll notice a change? I've just opened 4 on test following 4 long letter quests. Didn't get the recipe on test, or notice any difference.
The chance of getting the recipe will be guaranteed after enough events where you didn't get it. It's not a 100% chance, but rather protection for the very unlucky few. With the new system, enough failed chances will ensure a 100% drop in due time.
The chance of getting the recipe will increase for every event where you didn't get it. It's not a 100% chance, but rather protection for the very unlucky few. With the new system, enough failed chances will ensure a 100% drop in due time.
That sounds ace! - Is that on test currently? :) I just wanted to confirm before I start grinding haha
That sounds ace! - Is that on test currently? :) I just wanted to confirm before I start grinding haha
It's still currently in development - keep an eye on the test forums for further updates!
Any chance it will take into account my umpteen failed attempts when introduced or are we all starting from 0 ?
Any chance it will take into account my umpteen failed attempts when introduced or are we all starting from 0 ?
Again, we haven't finalised the feature yet, so we can't confirm anything further until development has progressed. As soon as we're ready to share more you'll be the first to know!
perplex_cat
04.06.17, 03:06
Just got my 10th time 50 gems . . still no recipe
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