View Full Version : Champions of Anteria , which one you like more?
TheVictorious
04.11.16, 16:05
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In next christmas event, it will come with 3 new general I think you only have to choose one of them, new generals are:
---------- Vargus (180 troops) ------------------- Anslem (150 troops) -------------------- Nusala (165 troops) :
-http://i.imgur.com/VYhPc5d.png-http://i.imgur.com/fJvDT88.png--http://i.imgur.com/uj3WlRT.png
You can see more details:
http://forum.tsotesting.com/threads/22370-Feedback-Champions-of-Anteria-generals
Until now I decided to go for Nusala, but I see they have changed some things like the troop limit.
Too bad I cant get both Vargus and Nussala , they have different roles.I like Nussala more but forcing me too choose, I will take Vargus as it will be usefull against all those foxes and other first strike/assasination camps.
They should have a carrying capacity of at least 200, because of that oversight they will be no more than an mma suicide substitute or lootspot general.
whats the idea if we can get only one a mg would be better though
Kapitalist
04.11.16, 20:26
So, we just have 3 generals with no idea for what use they are designed? Mb here any comments form developers?
TheVictorious
04.11.16, 21:04
So, we just have 3 generals with no idea for what use they are designed? Mb here any comments form developers?
First during event you get one of them I think, from doors you open, and for why they designed them, wait the Dev Dairy later after 1 or 2 months after next event, but those generals are really strong even better than mma in some cases, you can kill big amount of troops as first wave, or even destroy the whole camp with very low troops, i tried to play a few camps in slt, it really was fun.
So, we just have 3 generals with no idea for what use they are designed? Mb here any comments form developers?
I think their main goal is to promote the Champions of Anteria game. We are all getting one of these generals for free, so it would be weird if they were really really good.
At the very least they are good suicide gens which can save you a decent amount of troops.
Thejollyone
05.11.16, 08:45
So, we just have 3 generals with no idea for what use they are designed? Mb here any comments form developers?
theres some very valuable info on test server atm about them - here's the link:
http://forum.tsotesting.com/threads/22370-Feedback-Champions-of-Anteria-generals
As it stands I shall probably get Nusala
I think their main goal is to promote the Champions of Anteria game. We are all getting one of these generals for free, so it would be weird if they were really really good.
At the very least they are good suicide gens which can save you a decent amount of troops.
so far Nussala seems to be the best of the bunch as I'm running all 3 through epic FT & Ali's .........
as long as you load her with ranged troops she kicks A ....the std suicide in BK was a surprise though ....with 1B & 1 LB she wiped out camp 14 (BK killste guide)
def know which one I'm getting :)
The million Euro question: Which is best for AB adv's? Do anyone have an idea?
From my tests both man generals are pretty decent for Raids. General concesus on test now is both man are best on all adventures with the lady being the weakest because of her unit count, but overal all generals are pretty well balanced.
generally all champion is bad for leader camps
For player which play only alibaba adventures
nusala is good for sacrifice (with 1R or X numbers of B/LB), but that means you can use him only one time per adveture
anselm is useful only for camp with unit with low HP or very is low amount units in camp. otherwise 150 units is huge deficit
Vargus is most useful, they allow us to us every time MM and B which is powerful
for players which play regular advetures. is much harded to say, becouse depends on advetures, but generally
Nusala is great general very powerfull, even more than MMA/MG (of course not on every camp)
anselm is useful only for camp with unit with low HP or very is low amount units in camp. otherwise 150 units is huge deficit, but still he will be more useful in regular adventures then in adventures with elite units
vargus is also very useful on this adventures, because dogs was big problem, with vagus dogs are useless
lower level player have much harder choice than high level player. High level player need all 3 general to have some benefit. lower level will be very happy with 1.
For me vargus is best choice, because he eliminates our biggest problem units with skill attack weakest target.
Thank you very much for the detailed summary, Corona, and since I do a lot of AB's, Vargus look like the choice for me... Unless they decide to nerf them even more.
Thank you very much for the detailed summary, Corona, and since I do a lot of AB's, Vargus look like the choice for me... Unless they decide to nerf them even more.
That was based on my first tests, so maybe i miss something.
generally all champion is bad for leader camps
tested all 3 in woodcutter. should be smilar in other
camp 80 swordwielder 80 Mouted Bowman (first camp sector 2)
anslem: 8MS 64K 78B (7MS 60k - 7Ms 61K - 8MS 64K 1B)
nusala: worthless
vargus: 40MS 140B (30-34-40MS)
MG: 10MS 135K 125B (8MS 56K-9MS 62K-10MS 68K)
camp 90 Swordclasher 80 Mouted Bowman (first camp sector 3)
anslem: 150K (74-76-80K)
nusala: worthless
vargus: 21MS 159MM (17-18-20MS)
MG: 240K 30B (57-62-67K)
camp 90 Mouted Bowman 90 Desert Marksmen (last sector first camp)
anslem 150K (78-80-86K)
nusala: worthless
vargus: 23MS 157MM (19-20-22MS)
MG/vet: 200K 50B (65-70-75K)
this only if you want destroy camp in one wave. nusala is only for sacrifice here. i don't test how many you can save when you sacrifice.
I do not want more generals, I am tired of new specialists, I want this game to make an app and remove itself from flash player..
I could imagine how many troops will be saved on Treasure of Knowledge with Vargus...
Thejollyone
10.11.16, 18:05
I do not want more generals, I am tired of new specialists, I want this game to make an app and remove itself from flash player..
lmao
I could imagine how many troops will be saved on Treasure of Knowledge with Vargus...
On any AB I imagine it'll save quite some troops
For any low-level player I would suggest VARGUS as the best choice :
- Can TRANSPORT more units in adventure, which is 180
- Suicide DAMAGE for camps where we use mma 1R suicide, The Black Knights for example, camp 100 Cav + 100 XB,
- Any Camp where numbers od last and strong attacking units, such are Cannon/XB/Bes, can decide the outcome of the battle. Final Camp in BK where we use more Cannons than R as defensive units (85R + 135 Can + MMA).
Need to test Suicide against Fox + Cav which attack our weakest units for Fairlytale adventures like VLT.
For rest of the Players, we need to make hard choice. Would not agree that Anslem is useless (HLT first wave would save me mma on the WT, mma 200 Cav+20S suicide substitution). If we add what its missed, that is Cav/KN (first attacking units), for suicide attacks I think its worth to have (Treasure Of Knowledge, Dark Brotherhood, HLT ...). I would like to see him loaded with KN/Cav against Mounted Bowmans or Horsemans where I use mma+220 Cav to kill Mounted Bowmans... need to test more. If any General does not have particular skill, does not mean its useless.
Nusala looks the best for me. I used it in YWC and it save me half of sent MS. I sent 40 MS, but 22 come to home. I have some XP in situation where I need to use not 40, than 20 MS, outcome can be to reduce even more MS all way to get losses of 0 MS !! For example, if camp can be killed with 20 MS + 145 MM, then reduce even more to 10 MS + 155 MM, losses of MS could be 0. Nusala can be used only if there is no "FIRST" atk units like Fox, Cav, Horsemans etc...Where I see his shine = any camp where Bowmans use in suicide form, HLT for example...need to test more.
To do test, use simulator, any fast G, I use Dracul and I load Dracul with 180/165 units to see outcome, then in Test server I send Vargus/Nusala/Anselm to see differences (Dracul vs Vargus/Nusala/Anselm). In all cases what ever Dracul can kill, any of these new Generals can do, maybe even better.
Gl.
EDIT
NUSALA + Bowman DEADLY against FOX !! HLT leader camp 1, 165 Bowmans kill all 50 FOX and few Bears too !! (VLT camp 12 need to be tested, save M units)
OMG !! :)))
NUSALA + LB SUICIDE ... :) EXTRA :) sorry :)
HLT camp 8 : prnt.sc/d7bsbj ... incredible
(from 60 FOX, Bowmans kill 50 Fox in wave 1 ...)
HLT camp 14 Nusala suicide LB kill all 90 FOX + 20 Bear...
Anselm 150 Cav atk on WT in HLT have same kill ratio as VET + 250 Cav ;)
(1+70+5 left in camp .. simulation on Vet is 68-80 Firedancers)
Personally I'm sitting on the fence before deciding, at the moment there is a fair bit of information about how these generals will do but a lot of it is from simulated attacks which does not give us the big picture. At this point in time there are still 7 weeks in which to make our minds up and for BB to possibly tweak the Champions. There is no need for a hasty decision at this point, a decision which could lead you to repenting at leisure.
ToK here I come :)
Last test for me ...tomorrow ... If Anselm can kill Mounted Bowmans like Veteren can with Cav suicide ...you can do it please ?
Personally I'm sitting on the fence before deciding, at the moment there is a fair bit of information about how these generals will do but a lot of it is from simulated attacks which does not give us the big picture. At this point in time there are still 7 weeks in which to make our minds up and for BB to possibly tweak the Champions. There is no need for a hasty decision at this point, a decision which could lead you to repenting at leisure.
Totally agree ....all depends on whether BB have finished tweaking theses gens ....have run basic adv's, epics & ali's & have been most impressed with nussala...makes the MMA look bad in most cases ....for low lvl adv's like IOP & Sftr uses less troops to finish than the MMA ....amazing what you can do with R's B's & LB's ....lol
pretty impressive running through woodcutter, 2nd & 3rd thief, & very handy on wisdom :)
Nusala fails an important stress test during Surprise Attack vs Housecarl [200].. Here she simply flakes and is unable to take down a camp that the MMA can handle easily. Even with max'd crossbows or crossbows & Soldiers she limps back to camp having taken huge losses.. She's a glass cannon that due to her lack of troop capacity doesn't make her very viable. The other two from testing seem to handle things much better. She needs either better explosive ammunition or higher troop capacity BADLY because she should be 'at least' as good as an MMA!
TheVictorious
03.12.16, 10:01
Nusala fails an important stress test during Surprise Attack vs Housecarl [200].. Here she simply flakes and is unable to take down a camp that the MMA can handle easily. Even with max'd crossbows or crossbows & Soldiers she limps back to camp having taken huge losses.. She's a glass cannon that due to her lack of troop capacity doesn't make her very viable. The other two from testing seem to handle things much better. She needs either better explosive ammunition or higher troop capacity BADLY because she should be 'at least' as good as an MMA!
I tried her in SLT camps, she was a lot better than MMA, it depends on the camps, for sure she fail on some that other generals that can handle better, but she wins in other camps against other generals.
And i think people must test generals on most used adventures, not the very low one, as FT advs, BK, RB, and Arabian Advs.
Nords and SA, are special troops that not commonly used in adventures.
Since I mostly do AB's nowadays I'm leaning towards Vargus...
Please, do not forget 1 important thing, MMA General worth almost like 90 Cav alone !
Cav have : the first strike, attack weakest target first and splash damage.
MMA with 1 R can kill up to 90 Cav deserter(s) in BK ls camp or similar situations. What this means! When you send mma with 180 XB+40M in The Nords, you can expect that you hit enemy with 90 Cav too (180XB+40M +additional 90 Cav strike ... mma 450-500 / 5-10 Cav damage ). Cav in all situation, not only that will have "the first strike", will aslo become "attack weakest target first", so after you kill some units in first attack, you can expect less damage for your own units in wave 2. In this case, you need to use Vargus or Anslem, as it similar to mma striking abilities and skills. Please be aware, Vargus do not have "attack weakest target first" so you will have to add some Cav in his attacking troops when you do testing.
Splash damage is like when you drop 1 stone on to flat sand, you will get shatter in enemy lines and they will spread all over, so your not so accurate Cannons can hit more and kill more. What ppl do wrong, they add many or more "attacking" units, but they do not add defense, or at least minimum what is required. To do test, you need to use BHG, add him enough R to see how many R is required to withstand enemy 1st wave of the attack. Then you will know how many R you need, remove about 20% whats needed as you will kill some enemy due 1 attack .. huuh sorry :) complicated, but that is how it goes :)
Testing ToK (Treasure of Knowledge) suicide form.
Enemy :
70 Mounted Bowman - most wanted to kill (MB)
70 Sword Wileder (SW)
70 Stone Cannon (SC)
mma 220 Cav = 33-35 MB
Vet 250 Cav = 30 - 32 MB
Dracul 200 Cav = 24 MB
Nusala 165 LB * = 22 MB
Vargus 180 Cav = 23 MB + 4 SW *
Anselm 150 Cav = 19 MB
Testing ToK (Treasure of Knowledge) suicide form.
Enemy :
70 Mounted Bowman - most wanted to kill (MB)
70 Sword Wileder (SW)
70 Stone Cannon (SC)
mma 220 Cav = 33-35 MB
Vet 250 Cav = 30 - 32 MB
Dracul 200 Cav = 24 MB
Nusala 165 LB * = 22 MB
Vargus 180 Cav = 23 MB + 4 SW *
Anselm 150 Cav = 19 MB
Some of your testing seems odd to me.At least for Nussala.I would have attach 165 cav to it, same as you did with the MMA. 163 from the 165 LB you placed on her were killed without "firing an arrow", Nussala is killing 21 from the total 22 MB and last 2 LB managed to kill 1 MB.
just pick 1 no matter witch. and buy the other 2 later on in merchant prob solved.
and as lord said ,vargus if playing ab`s. witch i also most do.
I think alot of ppl are being blinded by explosive ammunition on nusala. Like stated earlier in the thread sometimes its better to put other troops in and just use her as a mma that does 1000-1500 damage. Ive done some bk in test and noted that i can do all camps with 85 R 80 K with losses of around 460 R for complete clean with blocks. If i would use B,LB,XB troop cost would rise. So on BK she is approx twice as good as a MMA :) and ofcourse just filling with recruits makes for faster clean :D
Lord-Nazgul
10.12.16, 14:50
That info is not 100% correct about COA gen will come in merchant after event.Will believe it when i see post here in news.
That info is not 100% correct about COA gen will come in merchant after event.Will believe it when i see post here in news.
Players have seen them available in the Merchant on test and just assumed they will be made available here the same way while ignoring the fact that that particular tab is test only and also contains other goodies which are not intended for the live servers, but are intended to provide a more comprehensive test environment.
Lord-Nazgul
10.12.16, 16:17
Those only for test Doro not for sale in gems .
some where one of the BB's said they will be in merchant on live in next year
That info is not 100% correct about COA gen will come in merchant after event.Will believe it when i see post here in news.
Players have seen them available in the Merchant on test and just assumed they will be made available here the same way while ignoring the fact that that particular tab is test only and also contains other goodies which are not intended for the live servers, but are intended to provide a more comprehensive test environment.
some where one of the BB's said they will be in merchant on live in next year
Here..
We plan to offer all three Anteria Generals in the shop at some point in 2017.
Areop-Enap
10.12.16, 17:59
Testing ToK (Treasure of Knowledge) suicide form.
Enemy :
70 Mounted Bowman - most wanted to kill (MB)
70 Sword Wileder (SW)
70 Stone Cannon (SC)
mma 220 Cav = 33-35 MB
Vet 250 Cav = 30 - 32 MB
Dracul 200 Cav = 24 MB
Nusala 165 LB * = 22 MB
Vargus 180 Cav = 23 MB + 4 SW *
Anselm 150 Cav = 19 MB
If you are doing sacs with Nusala, just put 1 ::R:: in her instead of wasting LB for killing MBs, kills about the same.
Nus 1R [Nus 1R] >>> 70MoB 70StC 70SwW [14MoB - 20MoB - 21MoB]
or ::C::
Nus 150Cav [Nus 150Cav] >>> 70MoB 70StC 70SwW [31MoB - 39MoB - 41MoB]
Nus 165Cav [Nus 165Cav] >>> 70MoB 70StC 70SwW [33MoB - 41MoB - 43MoB]
If you are doing sacs with Nusala, just put 1 ::R:: in her instead of wasting LB for killing MBs, kills about the same.
Nus 1R [Nus 1R] >>> 70MoB 70StC 70SwW [14MoB - 20MoB - 21MoB]
or ::C::
Nus 150Cav [Nus 150Cav] >>> 70MoB 70StC 70SwW [31MoB - 39MoB - 41MoB]
Nus 165Cav [Nus 165Cav] >>> 70MoB 70StC 70SwW [33MoB - 41MoB - 43MoB]
Nus' Explosive Ammo should be way better imo - Cav's out damaging LB's doesn't make sense.. It's barely making a difference.
Areop-Enap
13.12.16, 13:51
Nus' Explosive Ammo should be way better imo - Cav's out damaging LB's doesn't make sense.. It's barely making a difference.
I think you forget that Explosive dmg doesn't make the bowmens first strikers...so against Mounted Bowmen and other first strikers they aren't very useful.
Nus' Explosive Ammo should be way better imo - Cav's out damaging LB's doesn't make sense.. It's barely making a difference.
I think you forget that Explosive dmg doesn't make the bowmens first strikers...so against Mounted Bowmen and other first strikers they aren't very useful.
Exactly. The longbowmen in this example aren't actually contributing in any way. Which is how the meagre strikes of the cavalry at least does something.
I wonder whichever we get, do we get to buy a second when they all move to merchant?
Areop-Enap
27.12.16, 20:41
I wonder whichever we get, do we get to buy a second when they all move to merchant?
No promised time as to when they will be available, but...
We plan to offer all three Anteria Generals in the shop at some point in 2017.
I wonder whichever we get, do we get to buy a second when they all move to merchant?
could a BB answer this important question? will we be able to buy all 3 or only the "other" 2? tnx
I wonder whichever we get, do we get to buy a second when they all move to merchant?
I agree with HFoC, we need to know this to make a choice...
could a BB answer this important question? will we be able to buy all 3 or only the "other" 2? tnx
That hasn't been decided yet, so I'm afraid I can't answer that question. The safest thing to do is to assume there is a limit of "1 of each" until otherwise stated.
vargus anslem nusala in that order for me, but all three are good at what they do best.
1. Nusala from event, Vargus, Anslem and 1 more Nusala from Merchant :)
That hasn't been decided yet, so I'm afraid I can't answer that question. The safest thing to do is to assume there is a limit of "1 of each" until otherwise stated.
1. Nusala from event, Vargus, Anslem and 1 more Nusala from Merchant :)
Maybe re-read the above, its 'safest' to assume you can only get 1 of each, max
MuffinMule
31.12.16, 22:25
Think I'll hedge my bets as each has its strengths and weaknesses.
Going to lean towards Nusala for my more active worlds and pick Vargus and Anslem on 2 quieter ones to play around with.
TheVictorious
11.01.17, 23:21
The new generals added into test server merchant, they cost 7K gems each, and you not allowed to get 2nd version of free one from the event.
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