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I started this thread because posts were ending up in the Christmas Feedback threads when it seemed to me it is a separate issue.
What I'm asking about is if there is a summary somewhere of all generals, their detailed stats, all skills, etc.? For both newer and older generals I may add.
I would be helpful if terms related to the generals could also be explained. "Attacks weakest target" is probably self-explanatory but a note that it is defined by Hit Points and if there is a match there is a ranking order would be nice, but other terms are either new or changed over time and it would be nice if I could get a clear definition of 'Flanking' for example.
A nice chart / guide for everything you need to know about the generals would be wonderful and save time having to check combat sims or going to the merchant to pull out snippets of information.
If such data is available I'd really appreciate knowing where.
Kryss_Drynn
02.12.16, 09:37
All 3 are designed to do more with less, so don't be put off by their lower troop capacities (yay!)
2 of the generals work very similarly to existing generals so existing guides can work with minor troop adjustments. These are Anslem (Major General) & Nusala (MMA). So Anslem is a good all-rounder for content up to and including Arabian Adventures. Nusala, because she is similar to the MMA she will pack a punch and rip her way through vanilla content but struggle when facing Arabian content.
Vargus works a little bit differently, but can handle everything just as well as Anslem, but is quicker defeating his camps. He's basically a really good tank and lets you work more efficiently with ranged dps or first striking units.
So if your fairly casual and enjoy a certain adventure set, you need to decide which of the above will suit you better. They are all actually very good :)
If I was new Id grab myself a Nusala and run about killing bandits! But yeh, she's basically MMA 2.0 and will rock on everything up until Arabian stuff. She's the best suicide bomber out of the 3. Nusala will be very good during our quarterly events as will Vargus
http://settlersonlinewiki.eu/en/military/general/
only link I could find Xibor
I've been playing the 3 equally on the test svr ........& on ali's & ventures the 2 guys are "pants"....
have recently been re-running Nusala through them again, so far troop loses are the biggest factor, as on avg they're lwr than using the MMA :)
looking forward to getting her as it will reduce my losses & painful elite rebuild time.....
everything is a personal choice ....I just choose to win
Faststriker
02.12.16, 14:23
Chaos51
How do you use the gens on ali´s then?
As suicide bombers or real attack gens?
Chaos51
How do you use the gens on ali´s then?
As suicide bombers or real attack gens?
Always as attack gens, otherwise testing them would be moot............. :)
I started this thread because posts were ending up in the Christmas Feedback threads when it seemed to me it is a separate issue.
What I'm asking about is if there is a summary somewhere of all generals, their detailed stats, all skills, etc.? For both newer and older generals I may add.
I would be helpful if terms related to the generals could also be explained. "Attacks weakest target" is probably self-explanatory but a note that it is defined by Hit Points and if there is a match there is a ranking order would be nice, but other terms are either new or changed over time and it would be nice if I could get a clear definition of 'Flanking' for example.
A nice chart / guide for everything you need to know about the generals would be wonderful and save time having to check combat sims or going to the merchant to pull out snippets of information.
If such data is available I'd really appreciate knowing where.
There is a long discussion about them on test server forum i dont have link at hand maybe someone does
from the pages i read on that the other week people were saying basically nurusla was better for normal adventures and a bit better than a MMA using bowmen etc
they said that vargus was good for ali/ft adventures
and at that point in time they were undecided about anselm but said he seemed to be a good all rounder but wasnt much info on him last time i got the link off someone in global chat
my plan was get teh link in next couple weeks and read through the long thread all again see what they taught was better in long run but my gist of what i seen was
lower levels and them with 0 mma get nursula
then if do lots ali/ft addys get vargus
and if do a mix maybe get anselm
im so undecided what to do on 2nd server i play on as i originally thaught i would go for nursula there due to having 0 mma over there but now in 2 minds as im not to far off level 54 there so thinking maybe i should go for vargus as im hammering ft addys to get beans to get res/stalks etc so can claim/kill rest of archipello for the tav gen guides im doing for them. and hope to get mma at easter over there but saying that by easter i should be into ali addy attacking so thats where my problem lies mostly who to go for there :(
However this account as i do have 5 mma and endless other gens i think i will be going for vargus for the ali addy factor but thats only if i got the gist right from the test server thread that i need to re read before i make my mind up completely for what to get where
I think Nusala is best for normal adventures - in some cases better than mma because of giving bowmen splash damage and attack weakest - and having better first attack and attack weakest than MMA.
Anslem is best in tailors - often his ability to halve attack of most enemies enough to let own units survive and hit enemy ( but not if they have to many hitpoints ) - therefore he is not so good on Ali's where enemies have high hitpoints
Vargus is strong on Ali's - mainly because he prevents the enemies to use 'attack weakest' and he therefore can use Armoured Marksman and Mounted Marksman on camps with first-attack units.
But this isn't what Xibor nor I wanted, we want from BB CLEAR meanings of the gens and their specialities
But this isn't what Xibor nor I wanted, we want from BB CLEAR meanings of the gens and their specialities
good luck as we all know BB tend to talk in riddles and we have to work it out for ourselves mostly what they mean on some things.
But this isn't what Xibor nor I wanted, we want from BB CLEAR meanings of the gens and their specialties
ROFL ....
A basic supposition would be that BB wants the player to work out whats best for their own style of play.....hence the multitude of different opinions
It makes using the test svr all the more important when making choices.....only thing missing from that is an accurate simulator ...(well in the public domain that is :cool: )
ROFL ....
A basic supposition would be that BB wants the player to work out whats best for their own style of play.....hence the multitude of different opinions
It makes using the test svr all the more important when making choices.....only thing missing from that is an accurate simulator ...(well in the public domain that is :cool: )
Sim here has the 3 new gens on :) (http://www.thesettlersonlinewiki.com/combat-sim/)
ROFL ....
A basic supposition would be that BB wants the player to work out whats best for their own style of play.....hence the multitude of different opinions
It makes using the test svr all the more important when making choices.....only thing missing from that is an accurate simulator ...(well in the public domain that is :cool: )
Been bitten once too often with what's issued from test server.
But this isn't what Xibor nor I wanted, we want from BB CLEAR meanings of the gens and their specialities
Completely agree, as requested in the feedback thread, we really need the official BB stats on what each general will be in their finalised version to make an informed decision on our choice.
Dev Diary is too vague at present, no mention of each generals attack values and hit points and some of the "special abilities" description is a bit vague/ambiguous.
Sim here has the 3 new gens on :) (http://www.thesettlersonlinewiki.com/combat-sim/)
thats nice ....there are others but they're NOT ACCURATE... yet! :rolleyes:
thats nice ....there are others but they're NOT ACCURATE... yet! :rolleyes:
That's a strange statement to make when players on the live servers have adventures which are not available on test, this means no sim as yet can be said to be accurate.
But this isn't what Xibor nor I wanted, we want from BB CLEAR meanings of the gens and their specialities
Thank you - I was thinking nobody was able to get my point.
I'm working on my own list combining data from the merchant where available, battle reports, etc. I can't see any other way. I know many of the generals are the same except perhaps the carrying capacity but I prefer working from nice clear charts in front of me not having to remember too many nuances.
Have patience - try testing them
BTW all three new generals will be made available in Merchant next year
I think Nusala is best for normal adventures - in some cases better than mma because of giving bowmen splash damage and attack weakest - and having better first attack and attack weakest than MMA.
Anslem is best in tailors - often his ability to halve attack of most enemies enough to let own units survive and hit enemy ( but not if they have to many hitpoints ) - therefore he is not so good on Ali's where enemies have high hitpoints
Vargus is strong on Ali's - mainly because he prevents the enemies to use 'attack weakest' and he therefore can use Armoured Marksman and Mounted Marksman on camps with first-attack units.
A bit too much of a generalisation. Neither of those generals is best for certain kind of adventures, at most you can say they are more fitting to certain camps if you can find those.
Ie. consider any kind of adventure where camps are boosted up to 350-450 units, in such case none of these three will give you any advantage regardless of their special skills simply because they cant carry enough units to even kill half of the enemies before your army is dead meat.
Skills wont save you when, due to capacity constrains, you have to be using 100 offensive units instead of 220.
thats nice ....there are others but they're NOT ACCURATE... yet! :rolleyes:
I dont get how they are not accurate
obviously everything on TEST can change when it go's to live servers but sims use the info on gens on test and then if they do get "tweaked" when they go live they get updated and are accurate then i would assume
I dont get how they are not accurate
obviously everything on TEST can change when it go's to live servers but sims use the info on gens on test and then if they do get "tweaked" when they go live they get updated and are accurate then i would assume
The contention is just that. That we can't be sure about the testinformation and hence can't make an informed decision about generals since it may or may not be subject to change. That simulators will be adjusted afterwards when we know the stats is of no help since the problem is that we would like to know *now* what the generals do, and not on the day the choice has to be made.
The contention is just that. That we can't be sure about the testinformation and hence can't make an informed decision about generals since it may or may not be subject to change. That simulators will be adjusted afterwards when we know the stats is of no help since the problem is that we would like to know *now* what the generals do, and not on the day the choice has to be made.
I dunno im thinking maybe vargus for here as i have 5 mma so dont need nursula and have 2 majors so dont need anselm but vargus be better as here when i do do adventures it tends t o be ali ones
other server im still torn between nursula or vargus but thinking as we can get all eventually in merchant i prob will get nursula there due lack of mma and when i tested her on sim she did well in like BK etc which always handy for other events in future
As for need to know now since when do BB ever make things easy and give straight answers to things? they only give us info that they want to (limited at that) they probably think they being straight forward with us but tbh re this i do think possibly only the DEVS be the ones with the answers so maybe somehow need to get someone to contact the DEVS ??
Faststriker
05.12.16, 16:48
Have patience - try testing them
BTW all three new generals will be made available in Merchant next year
Where do you have the information about them being availeble in merchent next year?
Never mind found it..
As for need to know now since when do BB ever make things easy and give straight answers to things? they only give us info that they want to (limited at that) they probably think they being straight forward with us but tbh re this i do think possibly only the DEVS be the ones with the answers so maybe somehow need to get someone to contact the DEVS ??
Could be possible if you've got a large enough table.
Will need a group of us to sit round it and join hands. ;)
Ozzymandeus
06.12.16, 02:56
Could be possible if you've got a large enough table.
Will need a group of us to sit round it and join hands. ;)
Think I'll have a better chance of thinking of happy things and my heart flying on wings forever in Never Never Land!
Could be possible if you've got a large enough table.
Will need a group of us to sit round it and join hands. ;)
LOL it could be worth a try need one really big table though :p
OR a BB can get in touch with them maybe??? us players have no clue who the DEVS are :(
Find, use search option by Victorious : Champions of Anteria , which one you like more? (for .net / EU )
or
http://forum.tsotesting.com/threads/22370-Feedback-Champions-of-Anteria-generals
This is what I've come up with combining simulators, available text and combat reports. Please let me know if anything is in error:
'Tavern' regular generals:
Hit Points: 1, Damage 120-120, Accuracy 80% (error?), Initiative Normal. 200 troops max.
Veteran: Same as above but 250 troops max and fights faster.
Major General: Same as above but 270 troops max and fights faster.
Battle Hardened General: Same as Tavern generals but fight faster.
General Log: Same as Tavern generals but fights faster and can carry 220 troops.
(all below are specialists that fight faster)
MMA: Hit Points 1, Damage 450-500, Accuracy 80%, First Strike, Attack Weakest Target First, Splash Damage, 220 troops max.
Lord Dracul: Hit Points 999, Damage 111-333, Accuracy 77%, First Strike, Splash Damage, 200 troops max.
Master of Defense: Hit Points 5000, Damage 25-50, Accuracy 80%, Attack Weakest Target First, Splash Damage, 200 troops max.
New Generals
Anslem: Hit Points 150, Damage 1000-1500, Accuracy 50%, Attack Weakest Target First, Splash Damage, Reduces enemy accuracy to 0%, max troops 150
Nusala: Hit Points 150, Damage 1000-1500, Accuracy 90%, First Strike, Attack Weakest Target First, Splash Damage, bows/marksmen gain Splash Damage and Attack Weakest Target First, max troops 165
Vargus: Hit Points 150, Damage 750-1250, Accuracy 80%, First Strike, Splash Damage, Enemy's do 5% less damage and can't attack weakest target, max troops 180
Faststriker
09.12.16, 06:13
Xibor - This is really nice info and should be put together with the info of the gens. in the "Great library".
Plz do so some BB character.
Battle Hardened General, General Log: Same as Tavern generals but fight faster.
General Log 220 troops max (not 200 as implied)
and info about all new general stats http://settlersonlinewiki.eu/en/events/christmas-event-2016/christmas-event-2016-champions-of-anteria/
Kryss_Drynn
09.12.16, 10:26
Both excited and disappointed with Nusala from my testing. She's great for single waved attacks (perhaps that was their design), but I cant help feel she should be the best choice of general for adventures/ventures that feature our viking friends that have last strike. In these case she often fails due to her low troop count. Sure, she's great on Nords, but as soon as you try harder camps in more difficult adventures she can't stay alive.
Both excited and disappointed with Nusala from my testing. She's great for single waved attacks (perhaps that was their design), but I cant help feel she should be the best choice of general for adventures/ventures that feature our viking friends that have last strike. In these case she often fails due to her low troop count. Sure, she's great on Nords, but as soon as you try harder camps in more difficult adventures she can't stay alive.
suppose it depends on adventures you try her on
Just thinking ahead we all know in events BK's seem to be the addy of choice to get event resorces due to low losses, fast version and if possible 3 way swaps etc
Bearing this in mind this is just the 2 comparisons of nursula on middle and top DC
Middle DC
http://image.prntscr.com/image/442f0561f2d543be8cf4eee71aac45a0.png this MMA attack middle DC
http://image.prntscr.com/image/ccfc57e013a841809499e4c361f435df.png this nursula attack middle DC
Top DC
http://image.prntscr.com/image/6c0ffe6123414fe587330c3b6e3247e8.png mma attack top DC
http://image.prntscr.com/image/41b57efa53c34352925760fef2f28e3c.png nursula attack top DC just on them 2 alone you can see basically she can save some decent troop numbers if she did it with lowest
thats why im thinking possibly getting her on the other server i play on as i dont have even a mma there yet until Easter hopefuly
she also kicks the bum on island pirates also with less losses than a MMA i think form what i remember when i run her in sim with that so i think she definitely good for lower level players or them with no mma
as for nords if i remember rightly it was only last leader she may struggled on the rest she did ok with
some of the SA attacks yeah with major/mma can loose recs but if changed some attacks with recs to militas and used less crossbows that would use in other generals she seemed to do ok with leaders on there also again apart from last leader had to swap that from recs in major to solds in nurusla but she still could kill the camp in 40 seconds so the blocks should hold also
we just have to play around on the sim and see where you can and cant use all the generals if cant get on test to try them out properly the sims can give you a idea where you can and cant use them,
Corrections made and additional information much appreciated
suppose it depends on adventures you try her on
Just thinking ahead we all know in events BK's seem to be the addy of choice to get event resorces due to low losses, fast version and if possible 3 way swaps etc
Bearing this in mind this is just the 2 comparisons of nursula on middle and top DC
Middle DC
http://image.prntscr.com/image/442f0561f2d543be8cf4eee71aac45a0.png this MMA attack middle DC
http://image.prntscr.com/image/ccfc57e013a841809499e4c361f435df.png this nursula attack middle DC
Top DC
http://image.prntscr.com/image/6c0ffe6123414fe587330c3b6e3247e8.png mma attack top DC
http://image.prntscr.com/image/41b57efa53c34352925760fef2f28e3c.png nursula attack top DC just on them 2 alone you can see basically she can save some decent troop numbers if she did it with lowest
thats why im thinking possibly getting her on the other server i play on as i dont have even a mma there yet until Easter hopefuly
she also kicks the bum on island pirates also with less losses than a MMA i think form what i remember when i run her in sim with that so i think she definitely good for lower level players or them with no mma
as for nords if i remember rightly it was only last leader she may struggled on the rest she did ok with
some of the SA attacks yeah with major/mma can loose recs but if changed some attacks with recs to militas and used less crossbows that would use in other generals she seemed to do ok with leaders on there also again apart from last leader had to swap that from recs in major to solds in nurusla but she still could kill the camp in 40 seconds so the blocks should hold also
we just have to play around on the sim and see where you can and cant use all the generals if cant get on test to try them out properly the sims can give you a idea where you can and cant use them,
Surprise Attack, the camp with x200 Housecarl nearer the start. Typically you would use x100 soldiers and x100 crossbowman. Nusala fell apart because she can't support enough units. I wasn't using recruits or militia during my tests as I knew she wouldn't be up to the task. She failed at something the MMA can do easily, yet she's the explosives expert and designed for adventures featuring our Viking friends!?
CenturionSA
17.12.16, 05:29
Hey Ho!
I have read the very interesting posts in the TSO test forum.
Most, if not all, the posters have been made by players that are over level 50, many doing Ali Baba type adventures.
My dilemma is that as a mid level player (42), without a MMA, just a Lord Dracula, is which Champion to choose.
I would like to have some input as to which Champion is a good choice for a certain level range.
For example:
Levels 21 - 39 ( if do not have a MMA - Nusala)
Levels 40 - 49 ( undecided)
Levels 50 upwards. (Vargas)
Any input would be greatly appreciated!!!
TheVictorious
17.12.16, 08:53
I want 1 info now, do BB will provide those generals for gems after the event? and how much cost?
I want 1 info now, do BB will provide those generals for gems after the event? and how much cost?
They will sometime during 2017, no one know what they may cost in gems, but my guess would be 15k-ish.
TheVictorious
17.12.16, 12:05
They will sometime during 2017, no one know what they may cost in gems, but my guess would be 15k-ish.
for all 3 15Kish !? or the 1 general, if you mean single one, I don't think so, I think not more than 5K !
for all 3 15Kish !? or the 1 general, if you mean single one, I don't think so, I think not more than 5K !
No my guess on the gen price is 15k-ish gems each, it is BB and their pricing we talk about, you've been here long enough to know how insane it can be ;)
No my guess on the gen price is 15k-ish gems each, it is BB and their pricing we talk about, you've been here long enough to know how insane it can be ;)
Be silly if you must. But there is already a price point in gems for special generals, MMA and MoD. Somewhere in between those.
Surprise Attack, the camp with x200 Housecarl nearer the start. Typically you would use x100 soldiers and x100 crossbowman. Nusala fell apart because she can't support enough units. I wasn't using recruits or militia during my tests as I knew she wouldn't be up to the task. She failed at something the MMA can do easily, yet she's the explosives expert and designed for adventures featuring our Viking friends!?
That is one of the camps can block so cant see it being a problem really or you could still use mma kill that camp and you could use her to kill the leader after it only you would have to substitute normal recs used in a major say to become the following
http://image.prntscr.com/image/7cf9be1d19e2416b9466eeb0b3bf3a1b.png
instead of http://image.prntscr.com/image/0cb4024c639d43dea3121b5d50152e24.png
Haha. So use Nusala to effectively destroy 2x more resources :P.
That's the thing with the new generals, they are not always the best choice. Sometimes on SA MMA is better than MG, sometimes other way around. Just because a general is not good on one camp doesn't necessarily mean it's no good. And just because a general is good at some camps doesn't mean he is a good general (ha!) choice, e.g. Anselm kinds falls into this.
Haha. So use Nusala to effectively destroy 2x more resources :P.
That's the thing with the new generals, they are not always the best choice. Sometimes on SA MMA is better than MG, sometimes other way around. Just because a general is not good on one camp doesn't necessarily mean it's no good. And just because a general is good at some camps doesn't mean he is a good general (ha!) choice, e.g. Anselm kinds falls into this.
yep each general has a use its just the trick of finding the way to utilise them to the best they can do for your style of game play
Anselm im still unsure about but he really does save a lot on camps with foxes in compared to other generals it seems on the sim
this that camp we was discussing last night on north snowy after unicorn on VLT if want to kill it in 1 wave say
http://image.prntscr.com/image/0e4008e2963b49d79cbf0ffcd78eac50.png
with Anselm it can become this and rec loss only instead so cheaper losses http://image.prntscr.com/image/ec02744c3d0f40dc87c3c1146a397dde.png
its just a case of finding out where can and cant be used best really and if needs be as in case of SA say if nursula would be lower levels fast general and they could do blocks then they could use her but have to swap out recs for militas in some cases or even solds if needs be But she does really well on other "normal" adventures to.
Vargus the general consensus is hes better for higher end players for alis and FT i havent really tested him out on sim much yet though to make own mind up
the main thing is though every time a new general comes into play the game play dynamics change so players change their attacking way also to make best use of what they have whether it be troops or generals to suit their needs and game play style and what ever people choose they all gonna take some getting used to where to use them best along with generals already have etc
Does anybody knows on which link I can find Anslem based guides?
Does anybody knows on which link I can find Anslem based guides?
http://settlersonlinewiki.eu/en/?s=anslem
http://settlersonlinewiki.eu/en/?s=anslem
thanx m8
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