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For those that do not know ...as it was not made part of the notification process, and did not show up as new post when it was amended...naughty smurfs.
This is the new rule for trade chat others have been complaining/referring to:
Please only repost your advertisement if it's been at least 15 minutes since your last advertisement OR there has been at least 15 messages in the trade channel since your last advertisement.
This does not effect me so I have no comment to add but just thought it needed its own thread.
Ok that's it, from now on the MODs are on a diet, no more cake ever.
Thejollyone
04.02.17, 14:11
I saw this amended in G1 yesterday, although not ideal, it did have an immediate effect to those who saw it.
I think this should probably be sent to all internal emails so no excuse is made for any infringement bans in the future - just a suggestion to give everyone fair notice?
"Please only repost your advertisement if it's been at least 15 minutes since your last advertisement OR there has been at least 15 messages in the trade channel since your last advertisement."
for me there was no reason to change it.
what do you think about?
big -1 for this BB
I think it is stupid and unnecessary 5 min has work well for 5 years with many more active players than there is now.. so -1
Curufindul
05.02.17, 09:04
It would be nice to get a notification about such things, I only found out because of this thread.
I don't know about Newfoundland and Sandycove, but on Northisle there is no problem with spam. Not many people use trade channel, so you can see trades from 20 minutes agao most of the time. I see no reason for the change of the rules.
TheVictorious
05.02.17, 09:06
So now it is 15 minutes? since when! why is this! 5 minutes was good enough! so for 3 advertisement need like 30 minutes? this is a joke!!
Big -1 for BB for his, we have now less active players, and swap or sell LS is already painful now it will become almost impossible!! improve your trade system first before you do this!
The updated rule is 15 minutes OR 15 messages.
The 5 minute rule was removed with the implementation of the chat history. This means your message will remain visible to anyone joining the channel if it is within the last 15 messages posted. The new rule was introduced because some people were posting the same advert within 2 or 3 lines of their previous message. On a quiet day this can lead to spam/flooding of the channel because previous messages will remain visible.
If your request has changed within the allotted time, then posting a new request is allowed. For example, if you were selling two or more lootspots and one sells, you can advertise again to sell the remaining lootspot.
If you think about it carefully, this new rule can also be to your advantage on a busy day, especially when the chat is moving in excess of 15 messages per minute.
Salem_Warrior_1
05.02.17, 09:47
TBH this is a mess, BB have tried to sort out spamming, good, but for those who have limited game time play its killed there game, more so in quiet times, i think the 5 minute ruling was fine...
there could have been a better way to sort this without killing small players games
hence today with 1,5 hours prem left i couldn't get a slt ls for the adventure, i posted twice in the new ruling time , but no answer, never mind
to me i dont care ive so many resources makes no difference
TheVictorious
05.02.17, 10:06
The updated rule is 15 minutes OR 15 messages.
The 5 minute rule was removed with the implementation of the chat history. This means your message will remain visible to anyone joining the channel if it is within the last 15 messages posted. The new rule was introduced because some people were posting the same advert within 2 or 3 lines of their previous message. On a quiet day this can lead to spam/flooding of the channel because previous messages will remain visible.
If your request has changed within the allotted time, then posting a new request is allowed. For example, if you were selling two or more lootspots and one sells, you can advertise again to sell the remaining lootspot.
If you think about it carefully, this new rule can also be to your advantage on a busy day, especially when the chat is moving in excess of 15 messages per minute.
This is not not really clarified at first, the rule placed and no one got this explanation, but still, it is a mess, I mean, players will warn each others and you can imagine fight with players and the off-trade chat about this in chat, even MODs; I bet they not understand this, specially if there is a new MODs will come, so it will become more mess, if you want better solution, add a special lock for trade chat to avoid the spam, also, if you improve trade system, like a special category for loot spot trade with comment system like, this for SLT ls, this for BK ls etc!
I think there are a lot of suggestion made already about trade idea, please don't tell me this is not game designed for or not standard, since it is fit with how players play, and what players need, then it is priority.
and Thanks for explanation, TBH make sense, but return to new rulem again still not really helpful, players used to see trades about ls to know, is it still available or not, even with current chat history, if you ask players a lot still think like this way, you want to change this I know, but nothing can't be changed with silent change for rule, as example, today this morning I knew about this rule, just because this thread!!.
TBH this is a mess, BB have tried to sort out spamming, good, but for those who have limited game time play its killed there game, more so in quiet times, i think the 5 minute ruling was fine...
there could have been a better way to sort this without killing small players games
hence today with 1,5 hours prem left i couldn't get a slt ls for the adventure, i posted twice in the new ruling time , but no answer, never mind
to me i dont care ive so many resources makes no difference
+1
The_Sarmatian
05.02.17, 10:43
Selling lootspots hell... :(
TheVictorious
05.02.17, 12:50
The updated rule is 15 minutes OR 15 messages.
The 5 minute rule was removed with the implementation of the chat history. This means your message will remain visible to anyone joining the channel if it is within the last 15 messages posted. The new rule was introduced because some people were posting the same advert within 2 or 3 lines of their previous message. On a quiet day this can lead to spam/flooding of the channel because previous messages will remain visible.
If your request has changed within the allotted time, then posting a new request is allowed. For example, if you were selling two or more lootspots and one sells, you can advertise again to sell the remaining lootspot.
If you think about it carefully, this new rule can also be to your advantage on a busy day, especially when the chat is moving in excess of 15 messages per minute.
BTW BB, is it really make sense to wait 15 messages like this:
http://i.imgur.com/VG4Vtty.png
I would agree if you say 15 lines not messages!
Full page messages make 15 minutes delays not acceptable at all, limit the characters at least !
Agreed with TheVictorious. That message is clearly deliberately made as long as possible (seeing as this person has had no problem shortening their messages in the past), even writing out the word "thousand".
Put a length on how long the messages can be in TO, or this is going to be unbearable.
The updated rule is 15 minutes OR 15 messages.
The 5 minute rule was removed with the implementation of the chat history. This means your message will remain visible to anyone joining the channel if it is within the last 15 messages posted. The new rule was introduced because some people were posting the same advert within 2 or 3 lines of their previous message. On a quiet day this can lead to spam/flooding of the channel because previous messages will remain visible.
If your request has changed within the allotted time, then posting a new request is allowed. For example, if you were selling two or more lootspots and one sells, you can advertise again to sell the remaining lootspot.
If you think about it carefully, this new rule can also be to your advantage on a busy day, especially when the chat is moving in excess of 15 messages per minute.
I for one was unaware that the 5 minute rule had been removed and I know you know how on the ball about game changes I am. From what I've seen in trade tab since chat history was introduced a great many other players were also unaware the 5 minute rule had been removed.
The one question I do have is if they felt the need to re-introduce a rule why did they not just bring the 5 minute rule back. If you have a rule the new 15 minute rule will be no more effective than the old 5 minute rule in preventing spamming.
One big problem here is time. We have players on Premium, we have players with Guild Quests, we have players with Daily Quests, we have players trying to do within X time Achievements, we have players on adventures with the Timer running out, we have players for whom real life is raising it's ugly head. The old 5 minute rule allowed us to get things done in game within the time frames, things the new time frame of 15 minutes will prevent.
This new rule will have the biggest impact on the new players making the game less attractive to them. This will impact BB's revenue stream.
topgearfan
05.02.17, 21:12
this is a bad idea.
i dont see the big deal if you come into chat you see the previous messages so no need to keep repeating yourself like we used to because anyone new coming into trade wouldnt see the messages.... if you sell a ls then you can repost so i cant see why all the whining
Don't really have a problem with the rule now that it has been explained fully.
What I do have a problem with is the way I came to find out about it.
News of this change to the Rules governing player Conduct should have been clearly stated in an Announcement from an official source in, for example, the News and Announcements section, or maybe even The Rules of Conduct section, perhaps even with an accompanying notification on the front page, instead of relying on an ordinary player to have the good sense to post a General Discussion.
TheVictorious
06.02.17, 06:33
i dont see the big deal if you come into chat you see the previous messages so no need to keep repeating yourself like we used to because anyone new coming into trade wouldnt see the messages.... if you sell a ls then you can repost so i cant see why all the whining
You clearly don't understand anything, the idea "re-posting" is not allowed at all until you wait 15 minutes OR 15 messages :)
So you will wait 3x times more than usual to get ls sold.
And respect yourself, no one whine here, we just disagree with BB with new rule and give our feedback and ideas and explanation!
about time they did, to many trade spammers.
How about a ban on those annoying vague ads? ("Selling various stuff on TO" -great, that's what it's for! :@)
You clearly don't understand anything, the idea "re-posting" is not allowed at all until you wait 15 minutes OR 15 messages :)
So you will wait 3x times more than usual to get ls sold.
And respect yourself, no one whine here, we just disagree with BB with new rule and give our feedback and ideas and explanation!
Mod daz stated earlier in this thread that repost is allowed if the sale changes
If your request has changed within the allotted time, then posting a new request is allowed. For example, if you were selling two or more lootspots and one sells, you can advertise again to sell the remaining lootspot.
Also not being able to sell a ls quickly usually means you have to high price so just go down in price and repost (wich as stated is allowed if the post change content) If you are on premium it doesnt really matter for you if you sell or not. And if you want to complete a time achivement then just give the ls away just to make sure :D (it happens that i give ls for free when i dont want to wait)
How about a ban on those annoying vague ads? ("Selling various stuff on TO" -great, that's what it's for! :@)
It's a lot better than listing 20 items they have for sale and taking up half you screen!
"Please only repost your advertisement if it's been at least 15 minutes since your last advertisement OR there has been at least 15 messages in the trade channel since your last advertisement."
for me there was no reason to change it.
what do you think about?
big -1 for this BB
Agreed. And it'll give the officious little so-and-sos who LOVE to moan at people in whisper if they post one minute too soon, or add a little levity to their posts, fuel to their quest to suck the life out of the game with petty moans.
LordofEverything
06.02.17, 13:32
it doesn't matter to me if it's 5 mins or 15 mins .... having a rule is one thing, taking action is another .... will there be an auto-kick or something?
TwilightShadow
06.02.17, 13:41
I was in TO when this 'announcement' was made. Clearly there was no consultation with the players. It was just dropped into TO chat channel by a BB representative - the ensuing critique whilst amusing also had a number of viable points and I have to say that I agreed with most of the comments.
I honestly dont see why it needed to be changed from every 5 minutes. To use the argument presented by MOD_Daz that on quiet times of the day it may look like someones spamming is a ludicrous proposition. Clearly you would see a time stamp for a start. If someone was abusing the 5 mins rule they are often dropped on by a MOD or you, the player, could always just simply change chat channel.
If this unilateral rule change was due to a concern by BB about how sellers were advertising goods/ls's then perhaps BB should spend more time advertising TSO with an attempt to get some new blood into the game. TO wouldnt perhaps be so quiet then!
To coin the expression that if the wheels not broken why try and fix it seems apt here....
TheVictorious
06.02.17, 13:56
Mod daz stated earlier in this thread that repost is allowed if the sale changes
Also not being able to sell a ls quickly usually means you have to high price so just go down in price and repost (wich as stated is allowed if the post change content) If you are on premium it doesnt really matter for you if you sell or not. And if you want to complete a time achivement then just give the ls away just to make sure :D (it happens that i give ls for free when i dont want to wait)
DO you know that sometimes even giveaway a free LS not went well in trade! yesterday I called 3 times for free ls and no one got it, i finished the adv missign 2nd player!
The TO sometimes not work at all, many times I was waiting for 2 days with just "swap" and i'm not asking to give me back ls directly, I rarely selling LS, but when I do, sometimes I sell with max price in range within 5 - 10 minutes, a lot of times even with cheap price get no one buy it! So we are talking about general rule, that fit to all cases!
Add of all, Sandycove trade is already in big mess, prices is down enough, no need to break economy more than this!
topgearfan
06.02.17, 14:45
If you are on premium it doesnt really matter for you if you sell or not.
you dont adventure often do you? if you sell on prem you want get rid asap so you can start new
You clearly don't understand anything, the idea "re-posting" is not allowed at all until you wait 15 minutes OR 15 messages :)
So you will wait 3x times more than usual to get ls sold.
And respect yourself, no one whine here, we just disagree with BB with new rule and give our feedback and ideas and explanation!
you clearly dont understand anything either or neglected to read what mod daz posted about reposting when you sell a ls or your post changes in some way
""If your request has changed within the allotted time, then posting a new request is allowed. For example, if you were selling two or more lootspots and one sells, you can advertise again to sell the remaining lootspot. ""
TheVictorious
06.02.17, 15:19
you clearly dont understand anything either or neglected to read what mod daz posted about reposting when you sell a ls or your post changes in some way
""If your request has changed within the allotted time, then posting a new request is allowed. For example, if you were selling two or more lootspots and one sells, you can advertise again to sell the remaining lootspot. ""
You clearly not understand my point nor you read my previous replies lol
you dont adventure often do you? if you sell on prem you want get rid asap so you can start new
Just meant that if you are so desperate to get rid of it then sell it for cheap or give it away (and yes thevictorious i know that you sometimes cant even give ls away). If you cant then just finish and start a new. it doesnt change your loot just your earnings of ls wich is a bonus, prem or no prem. But we digress from the subject. I will just say i dont mind 15 mins. you just have to use scroll function in window and you could also just search to for fish and sort it.
SettlerPiter
11.02.17, 13:35
"Please only repost your advertisement if it's been at least 15 minutes since your last advertisement OR there has been at least 15 messages in the trade channel since your last advertisement."
This is from BB post... there is very importand word here - "PLEASE". Beeing familiar with law acts in my job, I don't see any rule here - BB just ASKS politely to do not put your trades too often.
Check the other points in this post - there are "prohibited", "can't", "not allowed", etc words which makes rules, but PLEASE do not make any rule.
I'll ofc not spam trade with my post, but if any over-law-abiding kid gonna put warning like this " pls rememcer the new rule is same posts every 15 minits now on trade" every 10 minutes, I'll report it to BB as a spam.
And remember - common sense is the best rule maker.
TheVictorious
11.02.17, 19:43
"Please only repost your advertisement if it's been at least 15 minutes since your last advertisement OR there has been at least 15 messages in the trade channel since your last advertisement."
This is from BB post... there is very importand word here - "PLEASE". Beeing familiar with law acts in my job, I don't see any rule here - BB just ASKS politely to do not put your trades too often.
Check the other points in this post - there are "prohibited", "can't", "not allowed", etc words which makes rules, but PLEASE do not make any rule.
I'll ofc not spam trade with my post, but if any over-law-abiding kid gonna put warning like this " pls rememcer the new rule is same posts every 15 minits now on trade" every 10 minutes, I'll report it to BB as a spam.
And remember - common sense is the best rule maker.
you will get warned then banned, you still think it is not a rule, lol
I think it is stupid and unnecessary 5 min has work well for 5 years with many more active players than there is now.. so -1
i can see it now, "thx fella i;ve sent ur inv. u dont mind waiting 15 mins b4 i can swap the other spot do u?" whats the point in a chat channel if we can;t use it properly?
i can see it now, "thx fella i;ve sent ur inv. u dont mind waiting 15 mins b4 i can swap the other spot do u?" whats the point in a chat channel if we can;t use it properly?
If your original offer said two lootspots, and you sell one, then you can post immediately for the `one left' without this rule effecting you.
Only `repeat' posts/offers are effective by this rule, and remember its fifteen posts OR fifteen minutes which ever is the quicker. It seems many players are `glass half empty' with this part ;)
I cant think of any good reason to have this rule. And even worse not to inform players of the change. There has not been a problem with spam at all in general. The very few spammers, that have been there, have been braking lots of other rules as they have not been in trade to trade.
Please BB rules are to make things work ok - and they already worked fine.
It feels like someone is trying to turn the game into a Catholic boarding school :p- So many rules and so little plan with the rules :p
Why not make rules if there is a problem and let things be if there is no problem. I would think rules should have a purpose.
If your original offer said two lootspots, and you sell one, then you can post immediately for the `one left' without this rule effecting you.
good tip, maybe after this and Urd's comment bb will relent and just let us go back to 5 mins.
SettlerPiter
15.02.17, 19:29
you will get warned then banned, you still think it is not a rule, lol
If I see at BB anouncement "DO NOT repost your adv..." then it will ba a rule.
And btw - i I was a witness of one annoying player sent warning text (i mentioned before) every 10 minutes and no mod take any action for about 2h... (both trade 'spamer' and annoying guy).
If I see at BB anouncement "DO NOT repost your adv..." then it will ba a rule.
And btw - i I was a witness of one annoying player sent warning text (i mentioned before) every 10 minutes and no mod take any action for about 2h... (both trade 'spamer' and annoying guy).
Well exactly the point - those who are annoying breaks many other rules. that does not mean we need more rules.
Kapitalist
15.02.17, 20:37
Hello, Pls make *an exception* for loot spot offers, back to 5 min.
I feel reason of this rule for basic TO offers, but if someone selling LS, that means he on full attention by waiting offer is gone.
Its not like *wts watermill* and easily going afk without care. You siting here and waitng.
With this new rule, time to sell LS ups x2 x3.
ps Sorry my english.
There is another tread about this. But Kapitalist is right. I would say go back to old rules though.
When trade is busy then 15 lines will be there pretty fast. But during quiet times might happen no one else writes. With loot spot people would think it is long gone after 5 minutes, so waiting 15 before posting again makes no sense.
Another problem is that BB have no mods to make sure people stick to that rule.
Last but certainly not least - this rule does not make anyone happy, and it does not make any change for the real spammers.
merged
After reviewing player feedback, the trade posting rule has been reverted to the following:
You are only allowed to repost your trade advertisement if it's been at least 5 minutes since your last advertisement OR there has been at least 15 messages in the trade channel since your last advertisement. Failure to abide by this rule can result in temporary chat ban, with further moderation for repeat offences.
Due to this I'm also closing this thread.
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