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Hi, since logging on today after update,I've got loads of the above marks on various stuff,like fishermen,but all deposits are full. They are also on my schools where one doesn't need anything.
Any ideas
I think it's the latest update, if your workyards have nothing to do (because your stores are full, for example) they now have the exclamation mark. Really annoying, my island's covered in them too...
Thank you thats probably it,and yes very annoying.
TheVictorious
21.02.17, 12:23
I like the idea to know which is full, but some buildings need to be ignored, like schools
But Yes, Red is so bad, red usually means to give attention, not like an info! If you change it to something more friendly well be better for sure.
Just sell some of the items from those production chains to an inactive guild mate (or friend you know wont take the deal) and store the excess in your mail once the trade is declined...I usually accept the declined trade once my stores are full again so that the goods are moved into the star menu as it gets a bit messy having loads of emails to sort through...
No more exclamation marks and previously idle production chains can start up again, win win...
does the title look dumb with all those ! marks? well, so does my island with maxed out prod buildings.
Please remove this, its a horrible idea or make it removable like animation options. I'm sure i'm not the only 1 that has a lot of maxed prod!
Merged
lol yes u probably are as your so mean :) x
Yes, horrendous to look at for sure! Really not a fan... I like to have a serene landscape, with only necessary stuff sleeping as even that disturbs my calm a little. Besides, that graphic already indicates a lack of resource for a workyard which is more important to know I think.
Seriously, who thought this change was a good idea?
I hate all those exclamation marks, can we please get rid of them as soon as possible?
the sooner this is gone the better. it adds nothing but aggravation! (and I felt a bit guilty putting one exclamation mark on that lol)
would be nice if that donate button in storehouses, was changed to send to starmenu :) for all the tightwads (me include) who dont wanna give away or sell their resources and just like to horde millions :)
polarbarez
21.02.17, 17:48
I like the idea but I wish it was a different symbol that did not move. To confusing with the
other symbol that says you are missing an item needed to continue production.
Economic_Crisis
21.02.17, 17:57
I agree. A total mess.. My map is awash with ugly red exclamation marks... I KNOW what's full, I'm paying attention... Please get rid of this asap or at least make it optional in Settings...
(Tried really hard to not use any exclamation marks in this post... There... Made it!... D'oh!)
This sort of thing sows the seeds of it's own defeat, it's only a matter of time until it fails to serve the purpose it was intended for. The only sensible option it to remove it and never ever entertain thoughts of implementing any thing for the same purpose in game again.
lordloocan
21.02.17, 18:21
Have to wonder who thought this up, serves no purpose other than to annoy.
I echo other comments - I HATE all those horrible red !!!!!!! all over my island. I can see in my warehouse which items are full, I like them full. I only want to see red !!!! when my production has a problem, like a shortage of a needed material!
Please remove those disgusting symbols without delay, or I will likely remove myself from the game....... permanently!
Sharpielein
21.02.17, 18:59
The exclamation mark comes with a barrel icon, so I guess it represents "store full" - so that explains where they come from.
The bouncing is irritating, and with red color, it's even more so.
Suggestion:
Make it a static icon, turn the red exclamation mark to gray - and it's all fine.
I already wrote in change log tread but I agree 100 %. I dont want any red bouncing ! om my island because I have too much. Some might think it is ok to be told but want other color. I just want them removed: I can see in Economy overview when I have too much of something, it is not that urgent to be told. I prefer a nice clean calm island.
Why make new features that really is not needed, and are just very annoying??
Fix some of the broken stuff instead. Like barracks and that annoying button that at least once a day take me to pvp ranking, when I click it by mistake.
Graciethecat
21.02.17, 19:23
I like knowing when a production change is at max storage, I think it is a nice addition
TheVictorious
21.02.17, 19:58
This new thing is awesome, a lot including me love it and was waiting for it too long, but the annoying red mark is just annoying, make it green or just remove the mark, circle icon with barrels is enough
It seems to me that if anyone has too many alerts then things aren't managed very well. Increase storage, trade, shut down production, increase utilization, etc. If my buildings are wasting time then I will think I need to reconsider my economic balance. It's clear to me that many people had no idea how poorly their kingdom is utilized.
After reading more comments and some additional thoughts I can see how some people like to have on-demand capacity without having to manipulate buildings or storage and after all it's all about playing the way you want. So I think it's clear an option each player can control would be the best way to go.
Economic_Crisis
21.02.17, 22:16
One of the beauties of this game is the so many different ways, and paces, one can play the game, and usually, there's no one telling you how you should or shouldn't play it... after all, it is only a game... Although most seem to be against these !'s, there are a few for it, as it clearly is beneficial to their particular style of play, so I hope BB take on board people's concerns and either tone them down a bit, (red for a building unable to produce due to a lack of resources is fair enough and, in game terms, could be considered an emergency, but a full storehouse is seen by many as cause for celebration rather than impending doom beyond measure!), or make them optional... Or both...
I'd rather have an "end of buff" alert personally. I think this would be much more useful... :-)
can we have an option to turn them off. i know that my storage is full on certain items,its how i play. i logged in and thought id ran out of everything!!!!!!
It does bury the unnecessary bouncing Big Red ! on Improved Silos... in a bunch of unnecessary bouncing Big Red !. :rolleyes:
While some sort of "full up" marker has been long requested, how this made it through testing is a bit of a puzzler.
Can we get a option to turn them of? I cant see with buildings need attention any more. To many !'s
great lets have more of those looks very nice indeed
An option to disable the exclamation marks could solve the problem; like we disable many other options (smoke, animals, walking settlers)
Having the icon on the building to let us know there are resources ready to be delivered to the store but storage is full is a nice idea, but the red exclamation mark should be reserved for buildings that lack resources. Just remove the exclamation mark but leave the little (picture) icon.
can't believe how many people like to have inefficient economies :confused:
can't believe how many people like to have inefficient economies :confused:
Quite the opposite. Full storage shows that the production has surplus.
you people who dont like maxed stocks and feel your so rich and a gifted trader because you don't run maxed stocks. Feel free to hand me 6 improved silos, a few improved fishermens, butchers and deerstalkers before you come try teach me anything about economy that is awful and require an enourmous amount of micromanaging for hardly any profit at all. whatever makes people think i bother selling basic goods for pennies only to work the next X weeks to reproduce it with the toll on more advanced buildings which wood chains feed.
BB prove their incompatibility with releasing this nonsense in a severely damaged game where everyone already suffer from heavy lag much due to nonsense implementations like this completely unnessesary exclamation mark. Meanwhile we wait ages for real fixes. Like the much needed Excelsior attention where loot wont go to storage, adventuress where settlerscant be excluded from being sent to storage forcing all the loot into star for every friggin adventure. i can't believe they havent fixed anything yet, it's been obvious for a very long time that quest log and achievements interfer heavily with the game and is a culprit to large chunks of game problems.
I could go on, but when respect for sanity is at historical low. You would have to pay me first or await next time I decide to shed some light in this dark world.
Quite the opposite. Full storage shows that the production has surplus.
Production stops. Production time is wasted. You can always sell surplus, so you should star & produce more. Opportunity costs are real.
economy that is awful and require an enourmous amount of micromanaging
lol. Micromanaging the economy IS the game. It's why I played Settlers I 20 years ago, and why I play TSO now. If you don't like that, maybe this isn't for you.
lol. Micromanaging the economy IS the game. It's why I played Settlers I 20 years ago, and why I play TSO now. If you don't like that, maybe this isn't for you.
Yes that's why I only need to do adventures for XP and cba hazzling with basic resources that will only end up halting my advanced resources. I don't need your opportunity to waste more time than I already do. You couldnt be more wrong despite we both apparently have been playing settlers for 20 years and its the nr 1 strategy game, not the capitalistic micromanaging lagfest its become.
Can we please stay on topic. This thread was opened to discuss the latest addition of the markers on buildings, not a discussion about economics and micromanagement.
I think it's fair to say that, regardless of how one plays, the markers are resoundingly unpopular. The 'economy overview' button already overs this info anyway, so why spoil the aesthetics...
Alina_Light
22.02.17, 21:01
I agree - the markers are horrible. I wouldn't mind the barrels showing up, if they were still, but bouncing red exclamations and barrels is just all too much.
Handsworth
22.02.17, 22:41
The thing is that we couldn't really test this on the Test Server because the capacity there was so great that it was impossible
to max out and have your island covered in exclamation marks. Had we done so they may have been more protest.
since the update this week the village school has had a red exclamation mark with what looks like barrels in it
can anyone explain this please
I like the idea per se as it beats having to check your store menu continuously (for those of us that don't a gazillion store space). Just maybe change the design to something a little less invasive?
Furthermore, it looks just like the red ! when another production is blocked by lack of a certain resources. I know there's a different icon near is but those are hardly visible when you are zoomed out. I actually only noticed the icons recently and I've been playing for more than 2 years! :D
If your pop is full, I assume it means your school is not longer producing settlers.
It's one of the new features. Any building where the resouce capacity has reached its limit will show a red bouncy ! over it.
I like the idea, doesn't bother me at all. Like running "balanced" economy and full storage is call for action, and glad I get the info without searching through production menu. So definitely plus 1 from me.
Some of the ideas mentioned already could improve it though. Tone it down by changing the symbol (color and static maybe?) and make it optional in interface menu for those who nearly suffered heart attack. :) :)
I like the idea, doesn't bother me at all. Like running "balanced" economy and full storage is call for action, and glad I get the info without searching through production menu. So definitely plus 1 from me.
Some of the ideas mentioned already could improve it though. Tone it down by changing the symbol (color and static maybe?) and make it optional in interface menu for those who nearly suffered heart attack. :) :)
You can find all the information you need with just one click, in economics menu. I really dont see why we need ugly red ! marks to get the information without clicking.
One thing you still cant see without clicking 4 different places is if your P houses and barracks are out of work. Some icon on them or some central information feature would be much more appreciated.
since the update this week the village school has had a red exclamation mark with what looks like barrels in it
can anyone explain this please
You are at maximum population
If BB read these, please remove the bouncing red arrows, or at least make them optional from the menu.
We don't need to be told by such glareing visual means when production is full - we know already because we watch our production and are aware what's going on.
We don't need to run at production all the time - wasted production time costs nothing.
For those people who are unaware what they are doing and need to be told everything maybe a good idea, in which case make the feature optional.
Probably the stupidest, most annoying update so far.
Thankyou.
PS This message is for devs, so others don't need to troll me because of my opinion, thanks.
We don't need to run at production all the time - wasted production time costs nothing.
Of course you can play the game anyway you want, but when I see full storage what I think is:
*It could go into the star menu, it's being wasted right now
*It could go onto the market, it's being wasted right now
*I could shut down some of that production and put the resources it may or could be using into something else, it's being wasted right now.
*It might be a good time to increase my storage, things are being wasted right now.
You can find all the information you need with just one click, in economics menu. I really dont see why we need ugly red ! marks to get the information without clicking.
One thing you still cant see without clicking 4 different places is if your P houses and barracks are out of work. Some icon on them or some central information feature would be much more appreciated.
I can find it in economy menu but not with one click. One click only shows me 5 closed tabs. To see anything, I need to go through more clicking and scrolling. At least get your facts correct if you feel the need to opose what I like and find usefull cause that's lame anyway. Maybe you don't need it, but I welcome it. A player like you should know by now that people play different ways and have different preferences. Reading that this feature was actually asked for by players suggest that it's mostly the graphics representation which make players overreact in horror.
Regarding PH and Barracks you certainly have your point. Yet I could use the same argument used against this feature to debunk it also. If players know where their production is maxed they sure also know what their barracks and PH are dong. So maybe learn that personal preferences do not necessarily follow your "logic".
I can find it in economy menu but not with one click. One click only shows me 5 closed tabs. To see anything, I need to go through more clicking and scrolling. At least get your facts correct if you feel the need to opose what I like and find usefull cause that's lame anyway. Maybe you don't need it, but I welcome it. A player like you should know by now that people play different ways and have different preferences. Reading that this feature was actually asked for by players suggest that it's mostly the graphics representation which make players overreact in horror.
Regarding PH and Barracks you certainly have your point. Yet I could use the same argument used against this feature to debunk it also. If players know where their production is maxed they sure also know what their barracks and PH are dong. So maybe learn that personal preferences do not necessarily follow your "logic".
Best would be if they can can change it so we can chose to disable the flashing bouncing !. But where do you go when you see a red bouncing! ? - Dont you then go from there to the economics? I would - because that is where I can see how much I have and to change something. The end result is then the same.
But some dont care as long as it is fish water wood - because it does not cost resources to produce and it is annoying to look at the red !
Best would be if they can can change it so we can chose to disable the flashing bouncing !. But where do you go when you see a red bouncing! ? - Dont you then go from there to the economics? I would - because that is where I can see how much I have and to change something. The end result is then the same.
But some dont care as long as it is fish water wood - because it does not cost resources to produce and it is annoying to look at the red !
Agreed that the feature can be made optional in interface menu. I already acknowledged that in my original post.
And if you suspect that I'm a brainless idiot then sure I might go to Economics menu to look and see that I really am maxed in storage. :) :) :) Since I do fancy using my brain at least occasionaly I can happily skip Economics menu now as I got the info from bouncing devil already. All I need to do now is clear the space in storehouse any way I preffer doing so - and I certainly don't empty my warehouse from economics menu.
I wasn't oposing anybody's preferences so it's perfectly ok with me if some players like having fish, wood and water maxed out all the time. It doesn't change anything on the fact that I still like it balanced and not maxed out most of the time so bouncing devil is welcomed. And for the sake of others let's tone it down and make it optional, as already suggested.
Hey guys - just wanted to check in since there's some doubt floating around. We are absolutely reading and collecting this feedback, so keep telling us how you feel about the feature; just remember to be polite about it! :)
I can understand how some people might find it annoying. So far, however, I have found it useful to have an indicator for when buildings are no longer producing due to full stores and would be disappointed to see it removed entirely, though I would have no problems with the addition of an option to activate/deactivate as required.
Great design is more about what you can keep taking away, not adding.
great lets have more of those looks very nice indeed
rofl!!!
I appreciate this feature for when I'm buffing lower level friends. I can avoid buffing buildings that will not help them out because they are already full up.
As I said before I hate it. And now I just noticed that it does not even work right, so you still have to look in economics to be sure you are not over the limit.
No red bouncing ! when over the limit on wheat.
I'm seeing great discussion for both sides of the debate. Would you guys agree that an option to turn on/off the additional notification icons would be the best middle ground? Those who dislike it can turn it off, while those who find it useful can keep them.
Let me know your thoughts on the matter, and if you have any additional ideas!
I'd like to see the bouncy icon to indicate that there are resources to be delivered but without the Red Exclamation mark. Leave the Red Exclamation mark to indicate important stuff.
Let me know your thoughts on the matter, and if you have any additional ideas!
Remove the red exclamation mark from the icon.
Make it a graphics option. Then I think everyone would be happy (ok well, that will never happen but maybe we can get close).
Make it a graphics option. Then I think everyone would be happy (ok well, that will never happen but maybe we can get close).
Agreed, a switch will make the maximum number of players happy.
sooty-sorted
09.03.17, 08:09
option to switch off for me I hate it
Agreed, a switch will make the maximum number of players happy.
oi i suggested that on page 1 b4 xibor!!!!!!
I'm seeing great discussion for both sides of the debate. Would you guys agree that an option to turn on/off the additional notification icons would be the best middle ground? Those who dislike it can turn it off, while those who find it useful can keep them.
Let me know your thoughts on the matter, and if you have any additional ideas!
+1
lol yes u probably are as your so mean :) x
treat em mean, keep em keen san :)
if u could ever afford to upgrade a cpl of ur buildings u;d understand :)
HOWL ftw
just wanted 1 more post coz i dont think i;ve said enuff today!!!
I'm seeing great discussion for both sides of the debate. Would you guys agree that an option to turn on/off the additional notification icons would be the best middle ground? Those who dislike it can turn it off, while those who find it useful can keep them.
Let me know your thoughts on the matter, and if you have any additional ideas!
That would work for me.
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