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Adobe has announced (https://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2017/07/adobe-flash-update.html) end-of-life for Flash in 2020.
Will Blue Byte/Ubisoft move the game to a new platform or should we start looking for a different game?
TheVictorious
25.07.17, 18:00
I knew this and opened a thread for it, and a long discussion about it, but still BB will still think flash will not die!
Hopefully, BB will not understand this official announcment.
TSO Team: Switching from Flash to HTML5 is not on the development roadmap. Going this way would require a a big effort on the development side, and would drastically slow down the implementation of the new content, improvements and bugfixes.
What I'm seeing here is the same thing we saw in Nov/Dec 1999 with the imminent Y2K bug. On the day Adobe that Flash is no more, do you truly imagine the game wíll come to a grinding halt. Will BB kick the devs out into the cold streets to survive by fighting stray dogs for dustbin scraps. No of course not, development will carry on as long as the current version of flash allows, until they want to do something beyond what can be done with flash there is no hard reason to abandon it. As for security updates to flash, the death of flash is the ultimate security update. It's dwindling popularity will mean less bang for the buck to those who are want to screw things up for others. As has often been pointed out the Owners of the game will only switch when the profit line says it's time to switch not a moment sooner, as long as flash is the cheaper development option it's here to stay.
Mannerheim
25.07.17, 19:24
What I'm seeing here is the same thing we saw in Nov/Dec 1999 with the imminent Y2K bug. On the day Adobe that Flash is no more, do you truly imagine the game wíll come to a grinding halt. Will BB kick the devs out into the cold streets to survive by fighting stray dogs for dustbin scraps. No of course not, development will carry on as long as the current version of flash allows, until they want to do something beyond what can be done with flash there is no hard reason to abandon it. As for security updates to flash, the death of flash is the ultimate security update. It's dwindling popularity will mean less bang for the buck to those who are want to screw things up for others. As has often been pointed out the Owners of the game will only switch when the profit line says it's time to switch not a moment sooner, as long as flash is the cheaper development option it's here to stay.
Even if the development could continue with the final Flash version it does not mean it will be reasonable to invest any development time into it. Note that its the browser vendors that are removing it completely too at latest in the end of 2020. Some can remove it before or assign more default options to the content being blocked. Same thing happened few years ago with NPAPI/other native plugins and popular games and things ceased to exists. Unity webplayer for example was powering thousands of games with over several million players.
Also even if there will be an option to download the slim version or use the older browser versions, the barrier to play the game keeps raising and less and less *new* players will be playing. This usually leads up to closing the final servers as it wont be worth the costs to support and maintain them with the remaining player base of vet player who most likely wont invest into the game.
Its official as the bbc can get it. Adobe is pulling flash. Phased out by 2020
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40716304
Bluesavanah
25.07.17, 22:50
Not surprised flash is finally going to die, gives me 2-3 years to reach 75 and maybe TOS 2 will be around by then on a platform that provides better gameplay and gfx options.
And for the the straight from the source sites rather than a third party site ..
https://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2017/07/adobe-flash-update.html
https://www.blog.google/products/chrome/flash-and-chrome/
I haven't checked when the other browsers are phasing it out but these sites do clearly state that flash sites will work until 2020 giving developers 3 years ( they did mention this last year, just finalised the time frame ) to complete any changes / rewrites / replacement products.
Maybe it will mean the end of Settlers Online as we know it by 2020 but hopefully by then bluebyte will have released a new similar product or update for us to play and *crossing fingers* with features that have been requested in this game ... where applicable in regards to a new product.
Granted the devs will need time to digest the time frame involved, and whether it is going to be cost effective to rewrite the game to work after 2020, as it would more than likely be a rewrite ( minor or major ) rather than a few simple changes.
FastSimTSOmaps
26.07.17, 06:22
Another link
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/adobe-flash-end-distribution-2020,35077.html
This game will probably end on 2020 it seems.
TheVictorious
26.07.17, 09:01
I think BB have to say something official they will keep going or give up, or do some revamp, or there is TSO 2, this risk to reduce the business flow on this, BTW, browsers might take actions before the deadline, and with new windows 10 way to deal with Apps, it is risky to be blocked at all, for windows 10 SE it will be blocked for sure, if not already, for browsers that use server side flash, they will stop support flash, so the risk will be greater by the time.
End of flash life maybe seems long (lets say 3 years is long enough) but this means also browsers will stop care about any flash issues from NOW, because people must start move on from flash to HTML5 or something else, so, more issues coming.
Not surprised, I was really expecting this from 1 year, and become hotter from a few months, and finally here is the final words :)
Thread merged, and move to the appropriate section for discussion.
BB have consistently said they will not move the game to HTML5 or anything else. This was the reason for developing the slim browser, so that the game could continue, using flash, if browsers decided to end supporting flash.
some browsers have already started to block flash. Chrome blocked some games last year that use flash. firefox blocked flash a couple of years ago due to security issues which forced flash to be updated to fix the probs before firefox unblocked it again. But u can garuntee as soon as the support for flash ends just about every browser will block flash. So it will be gone long before 2020. Its 2020 when adobe is going to remove flash from their system but support and updates for it will be before that. Every game and website that uses flash will have no choice but to switch to HTML5 or they wont have anyone able to get on their sites or games. Even steam wil have to change to HTML5 unless another company decides to take over flash. But HTML5 also has a problem cause that uses java which is also full of security issues. Another option is microsofts silverlight as that does the same job as flash and java combined. prob is that might get withdrawn as well. The end of flash has been on the cards for a few years now and experts have been advising developers to switch to HTML5 for about 4 years now.
Its not just BB who need to start work on a new system but all browser game developers or they might find their all out of work in the next 1 to 3 years. probably closer to 1 year than 3 though.
I think it's worth to clarify, again, that no browser has blocked Flash indefinitely; they merely ask for your permission now to run Flash-based content.
TheVictorious
26.07.17, 17:48
I think it's worth to clarify, again, that no browser has blocked Flash indefinitely; they merely ask for your permission now to run Flash-based content.
This is about flash itself will not be supported anymore and will be killed by the owner, not browser issue! there will be no flash anymore at all after 2020.
TheVictorious
26.07.17, 19:39
This is about facebook flash games:
While games built in Flash will run on Facebook until the end of 2020, we strongly advise developers to follow the timelines set by browsers, as this may impact your decision to migrate sooner. The first milestone to target is summer of 2018 when Chrome introduces click-to-play for Flash-based content
https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2017/07/25/Games-Migration-to-Open-Web-Standards/
Who wrote this article is "Facebook partner engineering manager", they will provide migration guides, this could be helpful maybe?
Also, it seems browsers will block flash plugin after 2020, they will not allow it, even on your own choice!
they will ask to keep flash and ask you to enable it until the end of 2020, they no more flash allowed.
http://fortune.com/2017/07/25/apple-microsoft-google-facebook-flash/
Another source from google: https://www.blog.google/products/chrome/saying-goodbye-flash-chrome/
BB please be open and just study it before you say NO!
You created awesome games, you are really good company, why you trying to reject the idea about getting fresh game you have backend, you need just to re-create flash part, the content and story all ready :/
Mannerheim
26.07.17, 20:00
Before this joint forces announcement happened there were some rumors and talk from people who attended WWDC in June that Apple will drop and block Flash permanently from their operating system in 2018 when next macOS upgrade is announced. Maybe they will still go as planned and remove it or maybe they extend the lifetime with others as there is now a fixed date. However it would probably still be possible to play with Chrome and it's built in Flash. I just know few Apple people that will not move on from Safari to Google products.
Even the simple https change from this week or the previous chrome throttling seems to be complicated for some people to setup. When we get to the point where people have to download special builds of browsers (mozilla announcement), daily click content warnings or dig in to even deeper browser flags the more people will quit.
I hope that if the current downloadable version is the future solution, it will be significantly improved.
I think it's worth to clarify, again, that no browser has blocked Flash indefinitely; they merely ask for your permission now to run Flash-based content.
Yes. But that is enough. The things people will need to do to make this game work is going to either be too much for some less tech savvy people or it will scare them (frankly, with reason). Those who know what they are doing aren't even going to bother trying the game. Why take the risk?
The fact that this concern keeps popping up in your player base should tell you how bad the image of flash has become. These people are already committed. Have you counted how often the question was asked in the AMA alone?
It's not the actual death of flash that is (will be) hurting this game, it is Flash's image. And, with respect, nothing BB can say will fix that.
Ok, I'm one of those less tech savvy people - can someone explain to me what's the problem, cause 2020 seems like a long time away. Is there an alternative BB could use (with enough time to prepare)?
TheVictorious
26.07.17, 21:36
Ok, I'm one of those less tech savvy people - can someone explain to me what's the problem, cause 2020 seems like a long time away. Is there an alternative BB could use (with enough time to prepare)?
Usually, game development takes so long time so BB must plan from now for next step.
And in 2018 browsers will start to jail flash with more restriction.
Also, some points already said in previous comments you can revisit them.
Just tell me your feeling when you open a website and browser said this plugin is blocked and enabling it could be a risk for your security, or even just a suffering to "click to enable" each time or every hour to (like what is happening now with me in Firefox already).
Sure, I get that it's a problem, but don't you think that they have enough time to plan that step? I'd really like to hear some official info on that - BB, what do you say?
Mannerheim
27.07.17, 11:04
Even if most of the old users can adapt and follow the instructions to get the game working none of the new players most likely wont. If playing a new game requires messing with the advanced browser settings and/or which warns daily about the content being possibly a security risk they will just find another game. Player acquisition is very important in F2P games.
The downloadable version should however work beyond 2020 as it should be fully under BB control and works like any other regular desktop game.
I posted some thoughts in the test server version of this thread and BB_Alex commented:
"We do not have any plans to make a TSO 2 or port TSO to HTML5 or mobile. Both are not feasible.
But we will keep on developing the game."
TheVictorious
27.07.17, 12:12
Even if most of the old users can adapt and follow the instructions to get the game working none of the new players most likely wont. If playing a new game requires messing with the advanced browser settings and/or which warns daily about the content being possibly a security risk they will just find another game. Player acquisition is very important in F2P games.
The downloadable version should however work beyond 2020 as it should be fully under BB control and works like any other regular desktop game.
I posted some thoughts in the test server version of this thread and BB_Alex commented:
"We do not have any plans to make a TSO 2 or port TSO to HTML5 or mobile. Both are not feasible.
But we will keep on developing the game."
If they keep saying thins, I'm pretty sure TSO will be dead around 2020, for a chance of 100%.
I saw another companies said that clearly, but if this happened for BB, it will be shame on them, they really big company, found many online games, they even created The Settlers PC games, so I can't believe why they so hard to understand the problem here.
They keep saying no, without any explanation, they said it is just costly and there will be no new content and so on, but as a larger scope company doing a lot of new games, nothing make any sense. many competitors passing TSO with race and they just stay in 1 single word.
If they keep saying thins, I'm pretty sure TSO will be dead around 2020, for a chance of 100%.
They keep saying no, without any explanation, they said it is just costly and there will be no new content and so on, but as a larger scope company doing a lot of new games, nothing make any sense. many competitors passing TSO with race and they just stay in 1 single word.
No to what? BB never said they were going to stop making new content.
1.After 2020 you can still play this game using the slim browser.
2. Recreating TSO in HTML5/webGL will be almost as expensive as creating a completely new game. (Not worth it)
What more explanation do you need?
There is no problem.
Only the influx of new players will go down hard after 2020.
TheVictorious
27.07.17, 14:53
No to what? BB never said they were going to stop making new content.
1.After 2020 you can still play this game using the slim browser.
2. Recreating TSO in HTML5/webGL will be almost as expensive as creating a completely new game. (Not worth it)
What more explanation do you need?
There is no problem.
Only the influx of new players will go down hard after 2020.
* Slim browser is a flash container, not sure if they use edge or not as a container, but if flash got blocked by windows you have nothing to do with this, (not much details but 100% is running flash inside container, not played with it so much because it was unplayable game using it for me).
* Also, flash dead means no more flash can be installed, and if installed it will be only the old versions that you can run, if hackers found (and they will) bugs and backdoors with flash, you will be doomed, you really need to understand this is not issue with browser will not support flash, it is about flash itself will become unwanted program, even anti viruses might block it.
* Finally slim browsers already got issues, a lot of issues, I can't really say it will be helpful.
About point 2, if this true, then this is why TSO will be dead, I still believe BB can get something useful from their big code base.
Thejollyone
27.07.17, 14:56
TSO will live forever :)
Get with the project, guys. The game is clearly drawing to an end and it's as plain as day.
If it *can* continue then that's a technical matter, but taking a lot of people's money to use on a platform that will inevitably become less and less secure with zero support from its creators is an absolute non-starter for a fairly major game maker like Ubisoft. This is central.
They're trying with new content as I imagine it's a tidy little earner on a small scale (and maybe I'm underestimating as I've spent maybe £100 on it myself even, which is rare for me) but the recent additions to the game haven't helped a lot and the game seems clearly to me in a slow wind down. Players are drifting away, and chat and TO are so quiet compared to other times in the past.
I'd love to be wrong as it's a fun waste of time, but post-Flash there is no TSO as they've said clearly they aren't developing for that.
TSO will live forever :)
In our hearts and memories, and in the stress lines on our faces from when things went wrong so often.
I thought slim browser was an actual browser with flash build in, like chrome. But from the FAQ I see that you need adobe or chrome flash to make it work.
So if they don't make changes to slim browser TSO ends in 2020-2021.
Unfortunately my 2nd point is still valid.
If they do build flash into slim browser it is completely safe, as long as you ONLY go to this game with that browser. And windows can't stop you van from using slim browser.
Mannerheim
27.07.17, 18:09
Don't forget that the game also needs new players and without them it can very well end before 2020, or if not end then at least further content development will halt and possibly server merges will begin to reduces the costs. I personally don't think the old userbase is very profitable as most people have been here for ages and have already gained or are about to get their gem pits.
Browser vendors have already assigned Flash limitations and will be doing more so in the following months and years so the easy to get it and play route for the game is already/soon gone. The slim version is essentially the same version as the Steam version. Go check the review score in general (only 35% positive reviews) or check the top most useful reviews. The standalone version is pretty terrible in its current form.
Also don't forget that Ubisoft is known for axing their declining F2P games and have already closed or stopped developing several in the past years, to name few of the latest ones: Anno Online, Panzer Generals Online or Might & Magic Duel of Champions...
Hi,
I read the whole topic and I have to write a few words about this:
1)
I think it's worth to clarify, again, that no browser has blocked Flash indefinitely; they merely ask for your permission now to run Flash-based content
It is true but after 2020 will be flash permanently removed from Chrome (source: https://blog.chromium.org/2017/07/so-long-and-thanks-for-all-flash.html) and from Firefox (source: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Plugins/Roadmap#Schedule)
2) TSO slim browser is built on chromium technology (if I'm not wrong) and as well flash support in Chrome will be removed after 2020 (source: https://blog.chromium.org/2017/07/so-long-and-thanks-for-all-flash.html). There are a few potential ways how to keep flash support but when keep flash support in TSO slim browser will be probably security risk
3) If will be TSO slim browser only way how to play this game, it would be fine to add support for Mac and Linux
Conclusion:
There is really needed any response from someone from TSO team/BB team
lordloocan
27.07.17, 21:20
Many players are using the exit door anyway. Those aiming for level 75 are bored of the constant xp grind, others are tired of the lack of any new content, more were pushed away by the recent debacle on the non-event. Really not sure how many will be here come 2020.
There is really needed any response from someone from TSO team/BB team
That's not coming though, be realistic. BB want us to continue playing and spending (understandably. They aren't a public service, they created a freemium game to make the money!).
Flash is still there and supported. The game will go on till it isn't with the further proviso that BB continue to make money.
When Flash dies, TSO will also die quickly IMO, but BB would be insane to threaten their business interests and say it explicitly.
Mannerheim
28.07.17, 15:15
That's not coming though, be realistic. BB want us to continue playing and spending (understandably. They aren't a public service, they created a freemium game to make the money!).
Flash is still there and supported. The game will go on till it isn't with the further proviso that BB continue to make money.
When Flash dies, TSO will also die quickly IMO, but BB would be insane to threaten their business interests and say it explicitly.
Yeah it does not make sense to announce the game will die with Flash but some kind of detailed announcement should probably be in place, especially if there are some kind of backup plans. The Flash death news have been all over the net this week and a lot of people now know about, even many of the ones who don't really follow tech news. Some sites have already made announcements regarding future their video services or games.
As Flash is now saying bye bye slowly without any kind of official details from BB it's making people ask the question is there any point to continue anymore or invest in the game even if its still playable for over a year or two. Just look at the front page now about the Flash warnings and combine it with the announcement.
TheVictorious
28.07.17, 20:50
That's not coming though, be realistic. BB want us to continue playing and spending (understandably. They aren't a public service, they created a freemium game to make the money!).
Flash is still there and supported. The game will go on till it isn't with the further proviso that BB continue to make money.
When Flash dies, TSO will also die quickly IMO, but BB would be insane to threaten their business interests and say it explicitly.
Indeed, but it is already dying, look at steam: http://store.steampowered.com/app/354640/The_Settlers_Online/#app_reviews_hash
or this: http://steamcommunity.com/app/354640/reviews/?browsefilter=toprated&snr=1_5_reviews_
I never understood why TSO went to steam. It's a freemium browser game. Two aspects you don't want in a steam game. Most people in those reviews stopped playing before hitting lvl 36, or even 17. On steam games you don't want to wait a year to get to the good stuff.
lordloocan
29.07.17, 10:55
Be a brave player who spends cash to buy gems until we know what will actually be happening.
From TSO Czech forum
Dear players,
We are aware of the Adobe's announcement related to the Flash browser plugin and we take this topic seriously. Our developers are now looking into other platforms as an alternative to Adobe Flash.
Regards,
BB_Sious
lordloocan
04.08.17, 11:16
From TSO Czech forum:
Originally Posted by BB_Sious
Dear players,
We are aware of the Adobe's announcement related to the Flash browser plugin and we take this topic seriously. Our developers are now looking into other platforms as an alternative to Adobe Flash.
Regards,
BB_Sious
What we need now is some official statement on login page.
Any chance for html5?
We have no plans at this time.
some browser games have switched to webassembly so they no longer need flash. chrome edge and firefox have webassembly built into them now and r already advcing pl to stop using flash. problem is webassembly is not user freindly like flash as u have to know where to find it in the browsers coding so u can edit the coding to get it to work with games. but u also need to know what lines to put in so u will need the info from the game as well to write the program lines for each and every game u play as each game will need a diff programining line for it. But that might change once they have got it out of beta phase. it uses java rather than flash to play games. so browsers have also changed the way java works in the browsers. but its also causing problems with flash as its not compatable with flash. so the browsers that have already started using webassembly will be having compatability issues with flash based games.
Ive already been blocked from playing several browser games cause browsers no longer support the version of flash the games use.
The only browser i have that will let me into this game now is palemoon. edge firefox and chrome wont let me login anymore due to the flash being needed for this game instead of webassembly.
Even HTML5 wont be an option as webassembly seems to be taking over from flash now.
Firefox started using webassembly from version 52. their now on version 56. Since 52 ive had nothing but trouble trying to play flash based games.
As older versions of firefox use older versions of flash thats not really an option either as games need the latest version of flash to run properly.
Maybe BB r going to switch to webassembly as it seems the best option and the easiest to switch too as its java based.
Salem_Warrior_1
15.10.17, 20:08
2020 haha have you seen the chat, game will be dead by 2018
SSSecretSquirrel
15.10.17, 22:32
edge firefox and chrome wont let me login anymore due to the flash being needed for this game instead of webassembly.
Pretty sure you only have to allow it to run and it will work.
TheVictorious
16.10.17, 05:10
2020 haha have you seen the chat, game will be dead by 2018
indeed, yesterday as for example server was totally dead, barely was someone response to me.
Wuselwirbel
14.09.18, 10:25
The recent update to Chrome 69 drove home the message, that Adobe will end flash support at the end of 2020 and so will all major browsers. Is someone at BlueByte able and willing to tell us whether there they are/will be working on a transition of Settlers Online to another platform?
already discussed here
forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35069-Adobe-has-announced-end-of-life-for-Flash (http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35069-Adobe-has-announced-end-of-life-for-Flash)
Merged
Wuselwirbel
14.09.18, 11:14
Thank you, Kit_ - must have overlooked it when I typed flash into search.
So, to summarize 5 pages of discussion: BB will not do anything and the game is dead by the end of 2020 unless we all switch to the Windows-based slim browser to extend the agony a little (the slim browser being based on chromium which will not support flash any longer, it will become obsolete or a security risk quickly).
Thank you, Kit_ - must have overlooked it when I typed flash into search.
So, to summarize 5 pages of discussion: BB will not do anything and the game is dead by the end of 2020 unless we all switch to the Windows-based slim browser to extend the agony a little (the slim browser being based on chromium which will not support flash any longer, it will become obsolete or a security risk quickly).
Do you know if the slim browser gets updated ?
Mannerheim
14.09.18, 15:48
Slim browser is literally a browser which still uses the same Flash plugin tech so it won't be the replacement in current form. BB could still make a self contained/stand alone build of the game using a bundled/compiled Flash as they do not have to be worried about Flash security issues due the nature of their use of it.
Note the 2020 is the EOL for Flash by Adobe but the browser vendors may/will be dropping and moving the support way ahead of that date the less Flash use is detected in general. This means Flash users will eventually need to use old or special builds of browsers, use completely different browser or enable Flash from advanced/hidden settings as the click to activate type features will be removed.
TermoNuclear
08.10.18, 09:19
Are there plans to move the game to another technoogy, like HTML5, Unity or something else?
Flash has an expire date set and will no longer be supported by browser in the future.
I dont believe people will use the stand alone client and install a dead technology filled with security issues, just to play this game.
My suggestion is to use a technology that supports both pc and smatphones.
Merged
Are there plans to move the game to another technoogy, like HTML5, Unity or something else?
Flash has an expire date set and will no longer be supported by browser in the future.
I dont believe people will use the stand alone client and install a dead technology filled with security issues, just to play this game.
My suggestion is to use a technology that supports both pc and smatphones.
Merged
Currently, we have no plans to convert the game to HTML5, etc. We will continue to support the game in the future; we have plenty of content to surprise you with over the next several years.
We do not currently support playing The Settlers Online on mobiles. For the best experience, you will need to use a PC or laptop.
Acadma
Currently, we have no plans to convert the game to HTML5, etc. We will continue to support the game in the future; we have plenty of content to surprise you with over the next several years.
We do not currently support playing The Settlers Online on mobiles. For the best experience, you will need to use a PC or laptop.
Acadma
Good to hear that the game has several more years of life ahead cause I like the game. :)
Good to hear that the game has several more years of life ahead cause I like the game. :)
It has if you can find a browser to run it. Only a matter of time before Flash is dropped to leave you with BB's client, which isn't working on any of my computers. :(
We do not currently support playing The Settlers Online on mobiles. For the best experience, you will need to use a PC or laptop.
Acadma
Game works fine on mobiles, except windows mobile (since Flash was dropped b4 it). But Flash for PC deteriorated rather quickly. I don't use PPAPI version(Chrome), but I noticed lots of complaints. NPAPI (FF/PM) started using way too many memory (over 1gig), and has problem with loading, sometimes it takes several attempts to load a zone. First loading usually takes all of the RAMs and clogs the PC. ActiveX (IE/Edge) works smoothly (for now), but not many people use it since Google's mud slinging campaign. As for slim browser, I consider it a security risk and it crashed my system more than once. I never liked Adobe, but I hope they'll fix the Flash to the way it was, because I really like this game.
TSO seems to play well on mobiles using the Puffin browser. I believe it supports flash
TSO seems to play well on mobiles using the Puffin browser. I believe it supports flash
Watch your data usage though. In my experience the usage nearly doubled. I concluded that the data want from TSO to Puffin to be resolved and then to your phone causing you to use data for both. That's only a theory based on observation though.
Mannerheim
06.11.18, 21:04
Puffin browser is a cloud browser which is why Flash works with it using any device. Essentially it means the game is not actually running on your phone but on a remote computer running several browser instances for multiple users. It just streams the game view to you as a mixed video/data stream and can lead into higher data usage like Xibor said.
Even Puffin will be dropping Flash support in 2020 :(
That is actually not true. In order to work, browser must use local Flash, and Puffin uses old version of Flash, from before Adobe dropped Flash for phones. That is reason why Puffin doesn't work on Windows phones, since Flash was dropped before WP. As I use WP, only way to do it is via some remote desktop. I use Team Viewer. After 2020 Flash will work as well (or as bad) as it does now, but it will not get update, support and download will be removed. We will be able to use Flash same way that Puffin uses obsolete Flash now. But since Flash is getting worse with every version, I wonder if it will work at all at the end.
Even HTML5 is on its way out as is JAVA.
Webassemply is replacing all of them.
Firefox, Chrome and Edge have already switched to webassembly. its not a plugin like flash and JAVA its programmed into the browser itself and uses JAVA as its base programing as webassembly and JAVA r merging.
Windows and mac will also do an update to remove flash from every system before the end of 2020. so Flash could be gone within a year as most browsers no longer support flash and that includes slim browser as thats just a version of chrome with a lot les security on it to make it faster.
So once flash has been removed no website that still uses flash will be running as no one will be able to get on those sites no matter what browser u use.
So BB has 2 choices. convert to webassembly or close down the game.
Windows and mac r adopting webassembly as well to replace flash and HTML5.
Mannerheim
10.11.18, 22:36
That is actually not true. In order to work, browser must use local Flash, and Puffin uses old version of Flash, from before Adobe dropped Flash for phones. That is reason why Puffin doesn't work on Windows phones, since Flash was dropped before WP. As I use WP, only way to do it is via some remote desktop. I use Team Viewer. After 2020 Flash will work as well (or as bad) as it does now, but it will not get update, support and download will be removed. We will be able to use Flash same way that Puffin uses obsolete Flash now. But since Flash is getting worse with every version, I wonder if it will work at all at the end.
What is not true? Puffin does not use local Flash for anything and it's complete cloud running behavior is described on their website. Yes Windows Phones do not have Flash but neither do any iOS devices but Puffin has always worked fine there.
You will not be able to use Flash after 2020 in any of the major browser. They have all announced in their blogs that there will be a complete removal and you can see the links bu opening the announcement in the original post. Some quotes from Chrome and Mozilla:
"Chrome will continue phasing out Flash over the next few years, first by asking for your permission to run Flash in more situations, and eventually disabling it by default. We will remove Flash completely from Chrome toward the end of 2020."
"Flash will be disabled by default for most users in 2019, and only users running the Firefox Extended Support Release (ESR) will be able to continue using Flash through the final end-of-life at the end of 2020. In order to preserve user security, once Flash is no longer supported by Adobe security patches, no version of Firefox will load the plugin."
Mannerheim
10.11.18, 22:40
Even HTML5 is on its way out as is JAVA.
Webassemply is replacing all of them.
Firefox, Chrome and Edge have already switched to webassembly. its not a plugin like flash and JAVA its programmed into the browser itself and uses JAVA as its base programing as webassembly and JAVA r merging.
Windows and mac will also do an update to remove flash from every system before the end of 2020. so Flash could be gone within a year as most browsers no longer support flash and that includes slim browser as thats just a version of chrome with a lot les security on it to make it faster.
So once flash has been removed no website that still uses flash will be running as no one will be able to get on those sites no matter what browser u use.
So BB has 2 choices. convert to webassembly or close down the game.
Windows and mac r adopting webassembly as well to replace flash and HTML5.
Incorrect. HTML5 is not going anywhere and Webassembly is a completely different standard. Webassembly supplements HTML5, it does not replace it.
What is not true? Puffin does not use local Flash for anything and it's complete cloud running behavior is described on their website. Yes Windows Phones do not have Flash but neither do any iOS devices but Puffin has always worked fine there.
"Puffin comes with Adobe Flash Player to play flash content, especially on mobile devices, where Flash was discontinued due to security issuses." That is from Wikipedia page and official Puffin site. Cloud is used for lowering data consumption, similar to Opera Mini (at least when they were still Opera), and for cloud storing similar to Maxton.
lordloocan
14.11.18, 17:18
I have no idea what java, html5, flash, cloud all do but surely the big issue is how are BB/Ubi preparing for the end of the system which enables their game? Easy to say they have many developments in the pipeline for the coming years but maybe one of those developments could be closure of the game?
Mannerheim
14.11.18, 18:41
"Puffin comes with Adobe Flash Player to play flash content, especially on mobile devices, where Flash was discontinued due to security issuses." That is from Wikipedia page and official Puffin site. Cloud is used for lowering data consumption, similar to Opera Mini (at least when they were still Opera), and for cloud storing similar to Maxton.
It's talking about coming with a Flash support. If you follow the link where the Wiki line is referencing as [1], it's also talking about cloud usage. You can also check the Puffin description in the App Store saying Flash content is streamed. Flash was always a banned runtime for iOS devices by Apple and all apps containing any kind of Flash runtime were always rejected. Apple never changed their stance which is why Photon, Puffin, Maxthon etc. used cloud servers to run it and only stream the content so it was never run on the device causing security issues and passed the app guidelines.
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