Reasonable use of Mary Christmas. [Archive]

Kris3457

12.12.17, 11:54

In progress ...

Thanks to all players who contribute to this thread!
Mary Christmas makes quite a difference in the easier 1001 adventures, it's up to you to find the balance between speed (time needed to play an adv.), extra losses (often worth it for the extra XP), and general complexity of the adventure (many attacks with Mary Christmas are possible as wave 2, after a suicidal waves with Bowmen/Recruits), if you want to use all 70 generals from your Star Menu :)

I started this thread for Mary without combat skills, but it's obvious that a 200 units general need full skills ASAP, to improve the experience.
Evil_J and Settlers Wiki have their recommendations, but generally most useful skills for Mary are Fast Learner-3 (obviously) and Overrun-3, Charge-3, Frenzy-1/2/3, Annex-3, Master Planner.
You can choose whatever skills you like, but if you have doubts, keep in mind that most XP is gained from Bosses with high Hit Points, and Overrun is almost a must in such cases (of course, Frenzy, even 1 book, also helps in those cases).

FT adventures without skills are not tempting for Mary, but with proper skills you can get 17% more XP from HLT - see link at the bottom.

If you have any information to add, please share, but try to be thourough (especially by giving the basic XP for the camp in question).
Treasure of Knowledge, Besieged City have some camps were unskilled Mary can be used without extra losses, but I rarely play those adventures.
All simulations made for BHG general, differences between Mary and a BHG can be considered negligable.

Mary Christmas (without skills) killing camps with no losses (or losses similar to other generals).
With Skilled Mary, there are usually more camps to attack - check spoilers at the bottom of this page for links.

All camp numbers are referred to Evil_J's guides (for skilled CoAs, if available).

Ali Baba, the Young Woodcutter
a) C2: 110 Desert Marksman, 100 Stone Cannon, XP = 5.2k
2MoS 95ArM 103MoM
b) *** not numbered camp, sector 2 (between C3 and C4, but lower): 90 Sword Clasher, 100 Desert Marksman, XP = 3.9k
*** - Normally, this camp can be skipped, only reason to attack it is to get the extra XP
200MoM
c) C8: 90 Sword Clasher, 90 Stone Cannon, XP = 5.6k
2MoS 95ArM 103MoM
NEW! d) L4: 90 Sword Clasher, 80 Horseman, 1 Treacherous Thief, XP = 5.9k
37MoS 100MoM 63Bes duration 3 rounds (40 seconds), but still safe for the double block.
e) C12: 100 Desert Marksman, 100 Stone Cannon, XP = 5.1k
2MoS 95ArM 103MoM

(Thanks to SnowBlizz for pointing out Leader 4 attack - just 1-2 MS higher losses than with Major, and 1 round longer than Major with Besiegers, so only difference comes from First Aid skill, if your Major has it).

Ali Baba and the 1st Thief (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=338058&viewfull=1#post338058) added by Snowblizz later in this thread (thanks!)

Ali Baba and the 2nd Thief

a) L3: 1 Shrewd Thief, 1 Treacherous Thief, XP = 1.7k
5MoS 15MoM 140Bes
b) *** not numbered camp at the North: 90 Dune Marksman, 90 Stone Cannon, XP = 5.5k
*** - Normally, this camp can be skipped, only reason to attack it is to get the extra XP
140MoM
c) L7: 150 Stone Cannon, 1 Gray Thief, XP = 5.4k
179MoM 1Bes

Ali Baba and the 3rd Thief
(L2 and L3 only if you follow Evil's setups for those camps, which could be improved or simplified)
a) L2: 90 Dune Marksman, 50 Stone Cannon, 1 Mysterious Thief, XP = 4.8k
8MoS 50ArM 33MoM 109Bes (keeping it at 1 round for the block)
b) L3: 70 Mounted Bowman, 70 Stone Cannon, 1 Greedy Thief, max. XP = 3k (from wave-3 fight)
after 2 suicidal waves (unskilled Vet 250R + unskilled Any 138R)
as wave-3: Mary Christmas 135ArM
NEW! *you can use Mary here instead of Leader 3*
c) C8: 80 Sword Clasher, 70 Horseman, 70 Dune Marksman, XP = 5.5k
Mary 30MoS 160MoM [losses 28MS, 2x those of Anslem]
NEW!
d) C11: 80 Bear, 120 Wolf Packleader, XP = 3.2k
Mary 10MoS 190MoM [max. losses 9MS, but usually less, so it's worth it]
e) C14: 80 Boar, 90 Wolf Packleader, XP = 2.3k
155MoM
f) C17: 90 Wolf, 90 Giant, XP = 3.2k
115ArM 55MoM
g) C19: 80 Boar, 80 Wolf Packleader, XP = 2.1k
155MoM
h) C22: 70 Sword Clasher, 70 Horseman, 70 Desert Marksman, XP = 4-4.2k
(after MMAs or Nusala's 1R suicide) as wave-2: Mary Christmas 25MoS 175MoM
i) L8: 90 Dune Marksman, 90 Stone Cannon, 1 Snooty Thief, XP = 10.5k
24MoS 90ArM 33MoM 53Bes (12MoS higher losses, but 10.5k XP may be worth it)

If you have lots of MMAs and Dracs, all with 1-up, try noxi's version for Skilled Mary (link in spoiler at the bottom of this post)

Ali Baba and the Treasure of Wisdom (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=338078&viewfull=1#post338078) added by Snowblizz later in this thread (thanks!)
Check spoilers at the bottom for other ToW version (for skilled Mary only).

Ali Baba and the Treasure of Knowledge (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=338196&viewfull=1#post338196) - added, again, by Snowblizz later in this thread (thanks a lot for keeping this thread alive!). Mixed versions for skilled/unskilled Mary Christmas.

2 more adventures added later in this thread, thanks again to Snowblizz, both version mixed (for skilled and unskilled Mary):
Aladdin and the Oil Lamp (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=338365&viewfull=1#post338365)
Aladdin and the Beautiful Princess (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=338312&viewfull=1#post338312)

Sinbad and the Besieged City just 14.3k XP and 17-24 MS of extra losses for unskilled Mary.
C3) 80 Sailor, 70 Petty Offficer, 70 Cannon Master = 4.7k XP
Mary 17MoS 37ArM 146MoM [max. loss 17MoS, average 10MoS]
C5) 40 Sailor, 200 Petty Officer = 4.2k XP
Mary 200MoM
C27) 70 Stick Ape, 50 Alpha Ape = 5.4k XP
Mary 10MoS 70ArM 120MoM [losses: 7MoS]

You can also try my Skilled Mary versions here (Besieged City, Sea Snake):
Sinbad and the Besieged City (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=338522&viewfull=1#post338522) - Skilled Mary
Extra basic XP = 42-66k
Sinbad and the Sea Snake (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=338590&viewfull=1#post338590) - Skilled Mary
Extra basic XP = 15-40k

Guides for skilled Mary Christmas (different authors, different skills!):
dreaduk's - Ali Baba, the Young Woodcutter (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=338051&viewfull=1#post338051)
dreaduk's version of Treasure of Wisdom (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=338116&viewfull=1#post338116)
noxidjkram's - Ali Baba and the 3rd Thief + Treasure of Wisdom (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=338090&viewfull=1#post338090) (when you open the document, it has tabs like Excel).
(If you're used to Wiki camps numbers) Areop-Enap's: Treasure of Knowledge (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=339962&viewfull=1#post339962) (only skilled Mary).
SnowBlizz's - 2nd Thief (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=338226&viewfull=1#post338226) expanded - with Skilled Mary options
SnowBlizz's - One Step Ahead (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=338992&viewfull=1#post338992) with useful trick for high XP gain from Mary's suicide on Treasure Camps (ships).
Budgy's overview of Evil Queen chain (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=339638&viewfull=1#post339638) (skilled Mary)

Nords (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=338256&viewfull=1#post338256) - many attacks with Mary, ca. 7k extra XP (no skills), or you can choose only some camps for lower XP and keep the speed, thanks to C0mplyOrDie.

5 Fairy Tale chain adventures (Little Tailor) (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=341490&viewfull=1#post341490) with skilled Mary.

Seasonal:
How you can use Mary vs. Party Crashers (starting on Day 5 of the Event, 2018, but in 2019 camps are the same)
Unskilled Mary vs. Party Crashers in 2018 Easter Event (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=340881&viewfull=1#post340881)

Raddichio

13.12.17, 10:02

This is very good Kris, I look forward to doing some simming with Mary - but you appear to have broken your first rule - missing the basic (non Mary) XP

"If you have any information to add, please share, but try to be thourough (especially by giving the basic XP for the camp in question), and let's keep Mary without combat skills for now."

Kris3457

13.12.17, 11:23

Thanks, and let's call them request/recommendations, I don't have the power to enforce any rules for forum posts :)
However, I'm not clear what you meant. XP is given in the basic version, for any general (without Fast Learner as well)., so for non-skilled Mary it will be double values of what I wrote.

Raddichio

13.12.17, 11:36

Ah! I see - that makes sense now - I assumed they were the increased XP. My mistake :confused: thanks for the clarification.

Parsley76

13.12.17, 12:13

Thanks for starting this thread Kris3457 - I've been trying to figure out what to use Mary for and had been thinking along your lines of just as BHG gaining extra XP for certain camps in alis especially.

However when you take into account the skills, I'm half considering giving her 3 manus in juggernaut (to get splash damage for her attacks) and 3 in stoppable charge and garrison annex (i haven't used UC in any other gens yet) just to increase her killing power as a mop up Gen or killing whole camps with 215 cav for ft advs or 215 MM for the alis.

Anybody any thoughts on this ? Hopefully i'm not hijacking your good thread ;)

Kris3457

13.12.17, 13:27

Since we went off topic, I'm a fan of UC for normal adventures (charge on Alis only makes difference if you can use Knights, for Mounted Marksmen it's negligable), so I've planned Charge-3, Annex-3 and naturally Fast Learner-3.
I'll also add 5 books for speed skills (Jog+Navi, to synchronize with my other good generals), and I'm still hesitant about the remaining 7.
Rapid Fire (but even 215 Bowmen suicide normally won't generate much XP) or Juggernaut, also not very profitable, but since I need 8 manuscripts, I'll probably take Jugg-3, RF-2 (I normally have First Aid-3 on all generals, but if Mary will be used for no/low losses fights, First Aid seems like a waste for now - of course we can use Mary to kill tougher camps too, we just have to decide where the extra losses are outweighed by the gains in XP, but it will require some serious number crunching, and I won't do it).

BB_Saqui

13.12.17, 14:59

Thanks for the guide, Kris! I'm sure many will find it useful over the event if they pick up Mary Christmas!

mussa33

13.12.17, 15:57

SnowBlizz

13.12.17, 16:38

Kris3457 have u checked Mary Christmas XP gained from killing enemy camps while having 3/3 Fast Learner?
I have done 3T using Mary Christmas general, having 3/3 Fast Learner.
Since Mary Christmas has 100% increase XP => 2.0 * 1,3(Fast Learner) = 2.6 base dmg.
I have noticed I get only 2.3 base dmg. I am not sure if this is a bug or what?
You are probably only getting +100% on base XP. No where does it state you get to increase on the increase. Most things in TO boost absed value not bosoted value. Just look at buffs where they cna run concurrently, they don't stack multiplicatively.
So with Fast Learner x3 you get form 100XP camp:
100 XP
+30% of 100 xp Fast learner = 30XP
+100% of 100 xp from Mary = 100XP
So effectively 130% of base value.

KingCannon

13.12.17, 17:51

In YWC can Mary kill L1 as well as C2..? If so then she can replace the MG as I block there and it would be pointless unless she can take both camps.

Kris3457

13.12.17, 18:39

Kris3457 have u checked Mary Christmas XP gained from killing enemy camps while having 3/3 Fast Learner?

No, I'm trying to find camps to attack without skills first, still waiting for the elusive manuscript recipe from Excelsior :(
Anyway, you got your answer from SnowBlizz, so I hope it clarifies things.

In YWC can Mary kill L1 as well as C2..? If so then she can replace the MG as I block there and it would be pointless unless she can take both camps.

No, it's rather impossible with unskilled Mary.
However, if you use Evil_J's guide for skilled CoA, you'll see the solutions that separate attacks on C2 - L1 (and also C8 - L3), so using 3 generals (MoD/BHG/Tavern to block C1, Mary to kill C2 and Major (or better Anslem) to kill L1), you'll get the benefits of Mary Christmas, and you still block C1.
Same thing for C7 (block) C8 (Mary) L3 (Major or Anslem).

jcooper

13.12.17, 18:41

In YWC can Mary kill L1 as well as C2..? If so then she can replace the MG as I block there and it would be pointless unless she can take both camps.

kc you can block and send both mary and final - the point is the extra xp gained from her kill

Kris3457

13.12.17, 21:15

Thanks to SnowBlizz from Northisle for pointing out an extra attack - Leader 4 in Young Woodcutter, now added in the first post of this thread.

SoldierOfFortune

13.12.17, 21:22

I've bought today the Mary Christmas and assigned her these skills:

https://i.imgur.com/gpf6s73.jpg

Just tried it on the YWC with this result

https://i.imgur.com/p8Pi434.jpg

Some notes:
- camps killed by Mary are those without any additonal losses using 215 Mounted Marksmen (C2, Cextra, C8, C12) as stated in the first post
- these 46 Star coins are just from Mary. No other general has the skill to gather Star coins
- the skill Hostile Takeover gives me in total 232 recruit mercenaries

SnowBlizz

13.12.17, 22:23

In progress ...

Ali Baba and the 2nd Thief

b) *** not numbered camp at the North (if it can be attacked without intercepts ): 90 Dune Marksman, 90 Stone Cannon, XP = 5.5k
*** - Normally, this camp can be skipped, only reason to attack it is to get the extra XP
140MoM

If you mean the one numbered 20 in pic: https://image.prntscr.com/image/QaOSk2mFSLOKc2hYqgDkng.png
then it can be attacked from same place as you attack 18. Am not 100% sure now if you can get by 18 without intercept, but need other gneral to clear 18 anyway first befere sending Mary to 19. With my starcoin MG I kill both of those nowadays anyway.

Xibor

13.12.17, 23:01

I haven't studies the battle calc details for Mary that much yet so I appreciate the work done above and when I can (and when I have her maxed out) I'll look a little deeper. As for now I'm going to use her for the obvious. Any place I'm sending a full wave as a suicide and using tavern generals or Grim Reapers I'll replace that attack with her. That's a guaranteed improvement no matter what. I still use such waves on (for example) VLT so she'll be going to work next time I do that one if not before.

Kris3457

13.12.17, 23:45

If you mean the one numbered 20 in pic (...)
Yes, that camp.

mykeb85

14.12.17, 10:35

Thanks for the guide. Bagged myself just under 200k xp on a YWC.

dreaduk

14.12.17, 14:08

YWC

after tweaking and final books

http://prntscr.com/hnfpru

286,775xp with perm

Guide:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16UGy3_BXGniwIm2tLH1rOhfWBZLfx42oqzlrFRZFb6M/edit?usp=sharing

skills are http://prntscr.com/hng5dg

SnowBlizz

14.12.17, 17:32

1st Thief (evilj skileld CoA map)

Where it says skilled Mary (unless I mention specific skills) my Mary uses 3x Jugger, 3x First Aid, 2x Jog, 3x Overrun, 3x Unstoppable Charge, 3x Fast Learner, 3x Garrison Annex and Master Planner.

L1: 100 Horseman 100 Dune Marksman 1 Scarred Thief - 4.8k XP
Mary 40Msw 6M 154MM (exactly double the max loss of Anslem, 40Msw 6M)

Unlisted camp in S2: 80 Dune Marksman 80 Stone Cannon - 4.9k XP
Mary 200MM, no loss.

L2: 5.2k XP 120 Swordclasher 120 Desert Marksmen 1 Smart Thief

Skilled* Mary 5Msw 210 MM, loss <=4Msw
* as HFoC notes going to need : 3x Unstoppable Charge 3xGarrison Annex and MasterPlanner

L3 7.6k XP (this assumes you are doing a stacked 1R block, the combat is looong, 10 rounds or so) 70 Horseman 70 Desert Marksmen 1 Snooty Thief
skilled Mary 52Msw 91MM 72B, loss ~48MSw (bit more than 2x skilled Anslem losses)
unskilled Mary 70Msw 105MM 25B, loss ~67MSw

Unlisted camp in S4: 50 Horseman, 50 Dune Marksman, 90 Stone Cannon 5.6k XP

Mary 20Msw 180MM, loss max 20Msw

C7 4.7k XP (skilled Mary instead of blocker) 100 Swordclasher 70 Horseman 30 Horseman
Skilled* Mary 30Msw 185 MM, loss <30Msw
*minimum requirements Master Planner or Garrison Annex

C9 100 Sword Clasher 100 Stone Cannon (6.3k XP but "lose" some XP to wave 1)

skilled Mary 215MM, no loss

Wave 1, any gen 45Bows (or kill enough by suicides, eg Vargus, Draculas to get to max 87 Swordclashers left.
Wave 2 Mary 99AM, 101MM, total loss 45Bows

C11 4.3k XP (as part of block to last boss camp) 80 Sword Clasher 60 Horseman 60 Desert Marksmen
skilled Mary 30Msw 185MM, loss <30MSw

dreaduk

14.12.17, 18:33

http://prntscr.com/hnjndo

2nd using mary on a few extra camps, about an extra 50ms

mykeb85

14.12.17, 21:07

The attack on L1 = 203 troops.

Thanks though :)

SnowBlizz

14.12.17, 22:26

Treasure of Wisdom (evilj skileld map)
(update with some skilled, unskileld options and some more camps not normally visited, for skilsl pls chekc my ToK guide entry in thread

You get quite alot of extra XP if you don't use RoA (those cmaps are worth 18k and 22k each). Getting there costs loads (hundreds) of Msw though, not sure it's worth it loss to XP vise. Seem to have lost my notes on that.

C1 5.3k XP
Mary 200MM, no loss

L1:
Nus 60bows
skilled Mary 45Msw 170B
unskilled Mary 55Msw 145 B

C3 5.2k XP
Mary 32Msw 168MM 31Msw loss (up from 17 with Ans)

L2: 9k XP
skilled Mary 20Msw 195AM

L3 4.8k XP (L2 and L3 is a double block, if got skilled Mary use her on L2)
Mary 35Msw 79AM 86MM loss ~35Msw
skilled Mary 32Msw 183MM

C7 6k XP
Mary 32Msw 168+MM loss 31Msw (3 more than Vargus)

L4 5.6k XP
Mary 200+ MM, no loss

L6: 5839 XP
skilled Mary 40Msw 6M 168MM, loss ~39Msw ~6M

unlisted, ~5290 XP, 50 swordwielders 90 desert marksmen 90 stonecannon
W1: veteran 250 bows, skilled Mary 215MM loss 250bows

unlisted, 7980 XP, 30 dune marksmen 200 stonecannon
skilled Mary 215MM
W1 45bows, W2: unskilled Mary 1MM 199AM, loss 45 bows

L10: 6k XP
Mary 2Msw 198+MM, 2 MSw loss

C12 7.5k XP (former blocked camp)
Mary 26Msw 174MM, 26 MSw loss
skilled Mary 19Msw 196 MM, 18 Msw loss

L13 4.5k XP
Mary 32Msw 168MM, 31Msw loss ( about double up from Anslem) if you have Dracs, use 'em here, though can also save them for L14 to reduce losses there

hades8840

14.12.17, 23:45

watching this with great interest but would help if you put the attacks to what camps as some of you are just showing what xp you gained but with no info to what you attacked with what troops isnt really helping ...have the books to skill my new gen just unsure the best combo surprised no one picked the skill so you could at least sucide her at least once per map just to milk that xp with the skill that boosts xp nice 130% could have a decent boost on xp as i hate doing adventures so anything that gets me there faster the better lol

cheethamhill

15.12.17, 04:36

http://prntscr.com/hnq000

259k XP YWC with Mery hitting 4 camps..can be five and will try later. No loses to her and 140 MS lost for the Adv in total

Skills

http://prntscr.com/hnq21y

First aid,Hostile Take and Jugg are only used because the skill tree requires..She will never need First or Jugg as she will never take a 2nd Rd hit for me but good to see others with 289k XP..She is good value.

Kris3457

15.12.17, 09:07

Actually, First Aid isn't that bad, after all. Mary can be used on some camps with 20-30 MS losses, just like other generals (because of some first strike units among bandits), so it will be useful in those cases.

noxidjkram

15.12.17, 10:44

HFoC

15.12.17, 11:12

Treasure of Wisdom (evilj skileld map)
C1 5.3k XP
Mary 200MM, no loss
...

hi, what skills do you use?

Kris3457

15.12.17, 11:40

hi, what skills do you use?

SnowBlizz's notes on 1st Thief and ToW are for Mary without skills (just as mine in the first post) - we only use Evil_J's guides for skilled generals as reference for camps numbers.

Rebloom

15.12.17, 13:02

Not sure about the xp from camp but in Woodcutter camp C2: 110 Desert Marksman, 100 Stone Cannon I used 100am 100 mm in Mary and no loss.
I cannot figure from your chart what the losses are. Als can you explain how you get the xp from mary for an individual camp,

On the camp after the first leader 80 Sword Wielder and 80 Mounted Bowmen once you get rid of the bowmen with several mma attacks u can use mary with 10 ms and rest mm and 2-3 lost ms

On the camp before leader 3 c8 on your post 90 Sword Clasher, 90 Stone Cannon I used Mary with 100 am 100 mm with 0 losses

and on your C12 one 100 Desert Marksman, 100 Stone Cannon also 100am and 100 mm with 0 losses

Kris3457

15.12.17, 17:51

The losses are simply Mounted Swordsmen (all of them in worst case scenario).
About Ali Baba, the Young Woodcutter, initially, I had only C2 / C8 / C12 as camps for Mary Christmas and 2MoS 95ArM 103MoM seemed the best common denominator (I know 100ArM 100MoM will work almost always, but there's a small risk of losses, that's why I prefer to add 2 MS to protect Armored Marksmen).
Some combat simulators show XP from single camps).

JoeShmoe

16.12.17, 06:17

If you want to sim Mary, using TSO FastSim , whats equivalent, a BHG ?

dreaduk

16.12.17, 08:48

yes, thats what i use with added books

dreaduk

16.12.17, 15:54

Wisdom
867k xp with scout hut and permie

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VjKuETgRX3FEsS44Z9u8CInU5gJlA0EtnBg_5NqWNn8/edit?usp=sharing

Recently updated with Boris attacks.

Zacar

16.12.17, 21:54

Young Woodcutter using Mary with +3 fast learner

got 298,857 Exp on premium (199,238 + 99,619)

playing all my usual camps and using Mary where losses were only Mounted Swordsman

using Evil J guide

Mary used on:

L1,L2,L3, and L4

and these bonus camps:

50 horseman, 50 dunesmarksmen
90 Swordclasher, 100 desertmarksmen
100 desertmarksmen, 100 stone cannon

SnowBlizz

20.12.17, 17:23

Treasure of Knowledge, evilj skileld mpa for numbers (i'll update ina bit)
Where it says skilled Mary (unless I mention specific skills) my Mary uses 3x Jugger, 3x First Aid, 2x Jog, 3x Overrun, 3x Unstoppable Charge, 3x Fast Learner, 3x Garrison Annex and Master Planner.
https://image.prntscr.com/image/GO8dbZSDTWGDru8KYIt-nA.png

Sometimes you can adjsut Wave1s for skills and such. I leave that as an excerise for the class.

C3 4.6-4.8k XP (after W1)
W1: Vet(+) 250Bow, Mary 111 MM 89AM
W1: any(+) 200B, W2: skilled* Mary 215 MM
*need Garrison Annex x3, Juggernaught x3 AND (Unstoppable Charge x3 OR Master Planner)
(+) the number of bows needed will vary depending on skills, your target is to suicide down to max 13 Swordwielders
C4 5.5k XP (after W1)
W1: Nusala(+) 180Bow, W2 unskilled Mary 20Msw 180 MM (loss 20Msw, skills decreases losses)
(+) skill as appropriate, but need to make sure no Desert Marksmen survive, may need an extra MMA suicide if Nusala doesn't have Master Planner.
C10 3.9k XP (after W1-3) or 4.7k XP
skilled* Mary 35 Msw 180 MM loss ~35Msw
*need Garrison Annex x3, Juggernaught x3, Unstoppable Charge x3, Master Planner
W1-W3: 1r MMA(+), unskilled Mary 25Msw 175 MM loss 25Msw
(+) need to kill down to 63 Horsemen, obviously can do this with a skilled Mary too to cut losses.
L3 5.1k XP
unskilled Mary 45 MSw 110 MM 45 B, loss 45Msw
skilled Mary 45 Msw 170 MM, loss <45 Msw (double a skilled Anslem)
C11 4.2k XP, 4-4.1k XP after W1
skilled* Mary 215MM, no loss
*Garrison Annex x3
W1 any 30 Bows W2, unskilled Mary 200MM, loss 30 Bowmen
C12 5.4k XP
Mary 200 MM, no loss
C14 5-5.1k XP / for unskilled 3.9k XP after W1
W1: Drac 15 R/ MMA 1MM W2: skilled* Mary 215 MM, no loss/15r
W1: any 140 Bow,W2: unskilled Mary 200 MM, 140 or less Bowmen
L4 4.3k XP
unskilled Mary 44Msw 4Kn 152B, loss 42MSw 3 Kn
skilled Mary 40Msw 6 M 45 MM 124 B, loss ~39Msw, ~6M
unlisted camp,80 Swordclasher 80 Horseman 80 Desert Marksmen, 5.1k XP
skilled Mary 32Msw 183 MM, loss 32Msw
can be done unskilled with W1 Nusala 140cav(+), W2 Mary 15MSw 185MM (camp worth only 3.9k for Mary then) (+) or however you want to do it, get down to max 40 Horsemen, may be worth skipping if not skilled Mary
C16 5.7k XP
unskilled Mary 32 Msw 168 MM, loss 32Msw
skilled Mary 32Msw 183 MM, loss 32Msw
C17 8.5k XP
skilled Mary 33Msw 120 AM 62 MM, loss 32Msw
unskilled Mary 40 Msw 120 AM 39 MM, loss 40 Msw
unlisted camp,80 Swordclasher 80 Stonecannon 80 Desert Marksmen, ~6.1k XP
W1: Drac 1 MM W2: skilled Mary 215 MM, no loss
W1: any 120Bows W2: unskilled Mary 200MM, loss 120 bows
C18 5.8k XP
skilled Mary 32 MSw 183 MM, loss 32 Msw (Drac, cavalry, MMA suicides will cut down losses)
W1 Nusala 140 cav W2: unskilled Mary 15Msw 185MM, loss 140 cav 15 Msw (only 3.8k XP for losses though)
C19 6.1k XP after W1
W1: any 67 bows W2: skilled Mary 15 MSw 200 MM, loss 67 bows 15 Msw
W1: any 185 bows W2: unskilled Mary 15 MSw 185 MM, loss 185 bows 15 Msw (only 5.1k XP for losses though)
L8 6.1K XP
skilled Mary 10 Msw 205 MM

C24 5.8k XP
Mary 40 Msw, 99 AM, 75 MM
L9 6.5k XP
skilled Mary 5 Msw 210 MM, loss 5Msw
W1: 50 Bows, W2: unskilled Mary 5 Msw, 95 AM, 100 MM. loss 50 Bows, 5Msw (6k XP W2)
unlisted camp, 260 Dune marksmen 6.7k XP
unskilled Mary 200 MM, no loss
unlisted camp, 70 Swordclashers, 70 Dune marksmen, 80 stoen cannons, 6.6k XP
unskilled Mary 200 MM, no loss
make sure to kill these before L11 if blocking C27 as it clears sector
C27 4.4k XP
skilled Mary 36 Msw 179 MM, loss ~35Msw
L10 5.2k XP
skilled Mary 36 Msw 6M 173 MM, loss ~35Msw ~6M
L11 4.5k XP
skilled Mary 36 Msw 179 MM, loss ~35Msw
L12 5k XP
(un)skilled Mary 44Msw, 156+ MM, loss ~42Msw (double Anslem losses)
C29 5.7k XP
(un)skilled Mary 48Msw, 152+ MM, loss ~42Msw (double Anslem losses)

SnowBlizz

20.12.17, 21:29

Derp! Fixed. Probably not the only typo in there, took me 3 days to do.

sossos

21.12.17, 00:13

would it be poss to have the whats in the camp we are hitting for 1st thief snowblizz please as I might be a bit slow and cant quite work out what camps you mean for all attacks I don't use evils guides I use the wiki ones sorry to be a royal pain in butt lol

hades8840

21.12.17, 01:41

lordloocan

21.12.17, 10:33

If you want to sim Mary, using TSO FastSim , whats equivalent, a BHG ?

This one from German sites had Mary: http://www.dsosim.de/sim.php

HFoC

21.12.17, 11:47

Found an extra camp, with only max 4MS extra losses, it does need the right skills though

Sector 2 Leader: 120SwCl 120DM 1Smart Thief
XP=5240
Mary skills needed (!): 3xCharge 3xAnnex & MasterPlanner
Mary: 4MS 211MM (losses: 2-4MS)

SnowBlizz

21.12.17, 20:44

2nd Thief (exapnded :) ) evil-j skilled CoA map as base

Basically the camps I founf where an uskileld and skileld amry can reasonably kill. I've not bothered with 100+ elite unit loss wins, too expensive IMO.

kill these before tackling L1 and L2
C1 5.2k XP
Mary 30Msw 170+ MM, loss <30 Msw
C2 5.5k XP
Mary 30Msw 170+ MM, loss <30 Msw
unlisted camp 100 Horseman 100 stone cannon 5.8k XP
Mary 40Msw 160 MM loss <40Msw
--
L3 1.7k XP
Mary 5Msw 195MM, loss <5sw
skilled* Mary 5 Msw 210 MM, loss 1-2 Msw
* key skills are Garrison Annex and Overrun to cut down loss from 4 to 1-2
L4 2.8k XP
Mary 45MSw 25Kn 130+B, loss ~45Msw <15Kn (double Anslem losses)
I don't recommend using Mary here as it's only shade under 3k extra
---
unlisted camp 90 dune marksmen 90 stone cannon 5.5k XP
Mary 200MM no loss

C7 5.9k XP (~1k XP lost to W1)
W1: any 125(+) Bows W2: unskilled Mary 200MM, loss 125 Bows
(+) skills on general or Mary will cut losses and increase XP, do your numbers
skilled Mary* 215MM no loss
*need Garrison Annex x3, Unstoppable charge x3, Master Planner

C8 6.2k XP
W1: any 200C, W2: 30 Msw 170 MM, loss 200C 30 Msw (lose <800XP to W1)
skilled* Mary 40Msw 175 MM, loss <40Msw
*need Master Planner and Garrison Annex x3

L7 5.4k XP
Mary 200MM no loss

L8 ~3.4k XP after W1
W1: skilled Nusala* 180C, W2: skilled Mary 26 Msw 38 AM 151 MM, loss 180C 26 Msw
*2x Jugger, 3x Unstoppable charge, 3x Garrison Annex as "active" skills

shade over 201k, XP no prem but (almsot) all gens +30% where not Mary +30%.

Areop-Enap

22.12.17, 08:03

This one from German sites had Mary: http://www.dsosim.de/sim.php

English combat sim site that have Mary: http://en.tsomaps.com/adv-calc

SnowBlizz

22.12.17, 20:08

Updated 1st thief a bit with some options.

hades8840

23.12.17, 09:41

On L2 on evil j map of YWC you can use mary mine is skilled 75MS 60AM 80MM kills it with a loss of 29MS

bracewell

24.12.17, 00:11

Kris3457

24.12.17, 13:03

Nords
Using Mary with no skills to attack 6 camps adds about 5k experience

S1: last guard before leader Mary 200xb (no losses)
S2: Northern camp (150K) can be skipped but Mary 200xb (no losses)
S3: 1st guard around leader (75V) Mary 200c (no losses)
S4 Southern camp (50H 25V) can be skipped but Mary 65c 135xb (no losses)
S5 Right guard camp (150K) Mary 200xb (no losses)
S5 Left guard camp (150V) Mary 200c (no losses)

Bracewell

Thank you.
Here are my remarks or questions.

I'm not sure which camp in S1 Nords you mean :)
In this sector, you can use unskilled Mary [1ES 69Cav 130XBow] on the very first camp [100 Karl, 50 Valkyrie] worth 750XP.
In S3, you're right, but this camp has only 225XP, better to use Mary [200XB] on the camp below Leader, [75 Housecarl] worth 750XP
If you only want to attack one camp in S5, choose Mary 200XB to attack the 150 Karl worth 900XP (the Valkyrie camp is 450 XP).

Of course there are more camps for Mary to hit (sector 1 has most camps in double versions, for 1st (left side) and 2nd (right side) player landzones - only Wolf Trap and Leader are single camps). Before Leader 2 there's camp [50 Housecarl, 50 Valkyrie] where unskilled Mary [1ES 69Cav 130XBow] can get the extra 650XP, but this would mean using Mary 2-3 times in each sector, which would slow you down.

C0mplyOrDie

24.12.17, 15:56

mary xmas for nords (unskilled), some extra camps can be killed but dont need to be, gives extra 7k xp.
a = crossbowman
c = cavalry
e = elite soldier
r = recruit

be careful of intercepts

https://imgur.com/JCwNWR1

https://imgur.com/JCwNWR1

dreaduk

26.12.17, 17:57

808k xp Wisdom No ROA
http://prntscr.com/hsjjg7
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UeK16YXZCLIHVFVY4MnWthJtAWl6-kM7WVgK-vXkdOw/edit?usp=sharing

close to 800ms lost, really don't recommend it.

Kat-Zillaa

28.12.17, 13:25

anyone found a guide for Suprise Attack yet for the mary gen? :)

SoneVracevGaj

29.12.17, 12:01

young wood cutter https://image.prntscr.com/image/ok4US0tSRq6q6oNt_lVMMg.png

SnowBlizz

29.12.17, 23:55

Princess:
evil-j 2.0 version skilled map
this is mostly a summary, it got late at the end and I was on a hurry for prem, 1.2 million XP :)
Several attacks will depend on how many suicides you can do.

C3: 5670 XP
skilled Mary 35MSw 180 MM, loss ~35 Msw
unskilledMary 55Msw 145MM, loss 53 Msw
C6: 5670 XP
skilled Mary 35MSw 180 MM, loss ~35 Msw
unskilled Mary 55Msw 145MM, loss 53 Msw
L5: 22450 XP
W1: skilled Mary* 60 K, skilled Mary 35 Msw 179 AM, loss 60K, ~34 MSw
*doesn't matter how W1 looks you need to kill all the Boatswain is all Sim It!, I wanted the XP and was done for the evening so used Mary
C7: 4590 XP (not recommended)
un/skilled Mary 75 Msw 130B+, loss ~70 Msw
L7: 13210 XP ca 12000 XP after W1-2
W1: Vet 125Rec 125Bow
W2: gen 125Rec 75 Bows
make sure you get less than 110 Battle hardened sailors
W3: skilled Mary 55 Msw 160 AM
C9: 4590 XP (not recommended)
un/skilled Mary 75 Msw 130B+, loss ~70 Msw
L8: 15590 XP (~1700 XP lost in W1)
W1: Any 200Bows (or less depending generel used/skill he has, Sim it!)
W2: skilled Mary 15 Msw 200 AM, loss 200bows ~10Msw
C10: 6870XP
W1: any 70R 125Bows, W2: skilled Mary 15 MM 200AM, loss 70r 125bows
W1: any 200Bows, W2: unskilled Mary 15 Msw 10 MM 175 AM, loss 200Bows, ~13Msw
C12: 6350 XP (W1 takes away about 1k XP)
W1: MMA 220 cav* W2: skilled Mary 20 Msw, 15 M, 115 AM, 65 MM, loss 220 cav ~15Msw <15M
* MMA skills can change this, you need 1 marksman for every Boatstwain left after W1.
skilled MMA 235cav W2: skilled Mary 15 Msw, 5 M, 100 AM, 95 MM, loss 235 cav, <15Msw, <5M
unlisted camp 270 Petty Officer 2nd Class 4590 XP
skilled Mary 215MM, no loss
w1: any 25rec 10bows, w2: unskilled Mary 200 MM, loss 25rec 10bows
unlisted camp 270 Battle Hardened Sailor 7020 XP
skilled Mary 53MSw 162MM, ~53MSw loss
C13 6830 XP
skilled Mary 40 Msw, 70 AM, 105 MM. loss ~40 Msw
W1: any 130Bows, unskilled Mary 40Msw 70 AM 90 MM, loss ~40Msw

C16: 5190 XP (300-1100 XP lost in W1)
w1: 45 bows, W2: skilled Mary 215 MM, loss 45 bows
w1: 170 bows, W2: unskilled Mary 200MM, 170bows loss

C17: 5390 XP
W1:MMA 145C, W2: skilled Mary 15MSw 200 MM
C19: 7290 XP
W1: 177 Bows, W2: skilled Mary 215 MM
unlisted camp 120 Sailor 150 Petty Officer 2nd Class 7020 XP
Drac 20r, skilled Mary 215 MM
C23: 5780 XP
Waves of as many MMAs you've got.
skilled Mary 25- 30-45 Msw 170-180-190 MM, will depend on how many suicides you've done
C27 & C28 7290 XP
W1:any 200rec, skilled Mary 215 MM
C29 : 7180 XP
skilled Mary 35Msw 20 MM 160AM
unlisted camp 170 Sailor, 100 Petty Officer 2nd Class , 5270 XP
W1 80recs W2 skilled Mary 215 MM

Budgy

30.12.17, 07:04

young wood cutter https://image.prntscr.com/image/ok4US0tSRq6q6oNt_lVMMg.png

What camps did you use MeX for? And what skills does she have?

Madorosu

30.12.17, 15:34

anyone found a guide for Suprise Attack yet for the mary gen? :)

This (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/33503-Lulu-s-lower-level-and-Nusala-Guides?p=338306&viewfull=1#post338306) was posted a couple of days ago.

Kris3457

30.12.17, 16:52

Making 20 attacks with the same general is a little exaggerated :)

Thejollyone

31.12.17, 10:59

Making 20 attacks with the same general is a little exaggerated :)

not if youre a noob who has only recently just joined the game, and has limited generals.. We shouldnt assume all players who have got Mary are Level 50+ etc :)

SnowBlizz

01.01.18, 14:21

Oillamp
Numbers from evilj skilled map, and no I'm not going to translate them into wiki or anything else, do your own work ppl!
skilled Mary as mentioned before, again finished late at night so, you know, may contain typos.

C1: 5220 XP
skilled Mary 215 MM no loss
W1 any 75rec 50bows*, W2: unskilled Mary 99AM 101MM, loss 75recs 50bows
* setup of atack doens't matter, recs bows, many combination posible, target is 88 or less sailors
C2: 6500 XP
any 200Bows, skilled Mary 29 Msw 186 MM, loss 200bows, 28Msw
any 200Bows, unskilled Mary 40 Msw 160 MM, loss 200bows, 38Msw
L1: 11870 XP
skilled Mary 71Msw 144B, loss ~70Msw
unskilled Mary 80Msw 120B, loss 80Msw
L2: 4360 XP
skilled Mary 40 AM 175 MM, no loss
C6: 4540 XP
skilled Mary 23MSw 167K 25B, loss 21Msw <60Kn
unskilled Mary 33Msw 107Kn 60B, loss 32Msw 60Kn
C11: 7020 XP
any 200Bows, skilled Mary 37 Msw 178 MM, loss 200bows,36Msw
C13: 5070 XP
gen 25recs, W2: skilled Mary 215 MM
L5: 12800 XP
skilled MMA 1cav, W2 skilled Mary 50Msw 60Kn 105B
unlisted camp 240 Cannon Master 6480 XP (500-1000 XP lost in W1)
W1: gen 130B* W2: Mary 200AM
*target ~200 cannoners
W1 gen 60B, W2:skilled Mary 215 MM
C15: 4620 XP
skilled Mary 215 MM
W1 gen 50Bows, W2: Mary 200 MM
unlisted camp 270 Cannon Master 7290 XP (500-1000 XP lost in W1)
W1: Vet 230B* W2: Mary 200AM
*target ~200 cannoners
W1 gen 175B, W2:skilled Mary 215 MM

L9: 14000-15000 XP after waves
W1-W2 total 400 bows, can split thme into W1-2 however you want
W3: skilled Mary 15MSw 133AM 67MM, loss 15Msw
C17: 6840 XP
skilled Mary 57Msw 20AM 138MM
C18: 6670 XP
skilled Mary 35Msw 180MM
unlisted camp 270 Cannon Master 7290 XP (500-1000 XP lost in W1)
W1: Vet 230B* W2: Mary 200AM
*target ~200 cannoners
W1 gen 175B*, W2:skilled Mary 215 MM
*target <220 cannoners

C19: 4190 XP
skilled Mary 20 Msw 195MM, loss 20Msw
C22: 4050 XP
skilled Mary 25Msw 45B 145Kn, loss ~24Msw ~40Kn
Mary 32Msw 118Kn 50B, loss ~30Msw ~45Kn
C23: 7020 xP
skilled Mary 53MSw 162MM, loss 53Msw
C25: 6590 XP
W1: 95 bows, W2: skilled Mary 215 MM
W1: 181bows W2: Mary 199AM 1MM

JoeShmoe

05.01.18, 07:40

has anyone used Mary on a Fisherman Venture yet? just after a general idea of how many camps could potentially use her on ?

Rorschah

06.01.18, 12:11

Is it possible to kill C2 and L1, and C8 and L3 on YWC (using Evil-j camp numbers) with skilled Mary?

hades8840

06.01.18, 14:58

Is it possible to kill C2 and L1, and C8 and L3 on YWC (using Evil-j camp numbers) with skilled Mary?

yep you can also kill L2 and a fair few others

Rorschah

06.01.18, 15:29

yep you can also kill L2 and a fair few others

Thanks, I didn't explain my question fully; I meant kill C2 and L1 with the same attack / troops, and C8 and L3 with the same attack / troops.

And if you can, will someone post the troop setups please.

Kris3457

06.01.18, 15:37

Yes, with Evil's skills (Overrun-3, Annex-3, Master Planner) you can do it.

One attack, with intercept.
C2+L1 with Mary 48MoS 166MoM 1Bes [no loss on C2, 46MoS loss on L1]
L1 has only 3.9k basic XP, but if you don't have Anslem (24MoS losses), the losses (up to 46MoS) are like that with any other general.

One attack, with intercept.
C8+L3 with Mary 40MoS 159MoM 1Bes [no loss on C8, 38MoS loss on L3]
L3 has 4.6k basic XP, and you can have the following losses there: Mary 38MoS - Major 31MoS - Anslem 20MoS

1 Besieger added to make sure that camp destruction time is always 10 seconds, I don't remember the duration of the blocks, so better safe than sorry (especially if you use BHG for C1 block).

Rorschah

06.01.18, 15:49

dreaduk

06.01.18, 20:41

ginny31

07.01.18, 15:14

Thanks, I didn't explain my question fully; I meant kill C2 and L1 with the same attack / troops, and C8 and L3 with the same attack / troops.

And if you can, will someone post the troop setups please.

C8 and L3 can be taken out with 40 ms and 175 mm but my mary is skilled not sure on C2 and L1 havent tried

dreaduk

08.01.18, 15:01

C8 and L3 can be taken out with 40 ms and 175 mm but my mary is skilled not sure on C2 and L1 havent tried

looses ?

Kris3457

08.01.18, 16:32

He must have the same losses as me in the post a little earlier, so 38MS (80 Horsemen will kill 30MS and you can't kill the Boss in first strike phase of round 1 with Mary, so 8 MS more)

ginny31

08.01.18, 18:29

looses ?

32 ms

Kris3457

08.01.18, 19:32

Sinbad and the Besieged City - up to 66k extra XP (85.6k with Fast Learner-3) and 115 MS extra losses.
Version "Light" (C3, C5, C16, L14, C23, C27, C30) = 42.2k XP (54.8k XP with Fast Learner-3), but only 43MS extra losses.

Skilled Mary Christmas (Master Planner, Annex-3, Charge-3, Overrun-3).

An "add-on" to Evil_J's guide to Besieged City (Skilled CoA guide):

Before you move all generals to the opposite site of the map, you may use Mary to destroy Leader 14 (from land zone).

C3) 80 Sailor, 70 Petty Offficer, 70 Cannon Master = 4.7k XP
Mary 200MoM

C5) 40 Sailor, 200 Petty Officer = 4.2k XP
Mary 200MoM

C7) 90 Battle Hardened Sailor, 50 Mounted Sailor, 90 Cannon Master = 5.6k XP
Mary 36MoS 140ArM 39MoM (losses double compared with Major)

off topic: C8 can be blocked - Look in spoiler (double block on C8 & C9, attacking Leader 2 & Leader 3 at the same time)

Extra block for Evil_J's guide to Besieged City (Skilled CoA guide):

https://i.imgur.com/mNR97Uy.png
Leader 2 fight is 60 seconds (safe for the block) with my skills, but with Evil's it's only 45 seconds, so even better.

C16) 270 Petty Officer = 4.5k XP
Mary 185MoM

Leader 11) 250 Mounted Sailor, 1 Steersman = 12.5k XP
Mary 85MoS 130Bes [loss: 81MoS, 41MS more than Anslem, I'm not sure if it's worth it]

Leader 14) 200 Battle Hardened Sailor, 1 Steersman = 13.5k XP
Mary 50MoS 165MoM (losses are 28MS more than with Major, but it's a good deal for 13.5k raw XP)

C23) 120 Sailor, 120 Petty Officer = 4.5k XP
Mary 200MoM

C26) 120 Battle Hardened Sailor, 150 Mounted Sailor = 5.6k XP
Mary 63MoS 152Bes (losses are 17MS more than Anslem/Major, I'm not sure if it's worth it])

C27) 70 Stick Ape, 50 Alpha Ape = 5.4k XP
Mary 4MoS 106ArM 105MoM

C30) 130 Sailor, 130 Mounted Sailor = 5.4k XP
Mary 40MoS 130MoM 30Bes [losses:35MoS, 11 more than Anslem]

2 extra options, but more messy:

Leader 5) 270 Petty Officer, 1 Captain = 5.1k XP for wave-2
wave-1 Fast 30Rec -or- 24Bow (must kill 9 Petty Off.) (10 secs)
wave-2 Mary 37ArM 178MoM (20 secs)
The block will be tight, and you have to place Mary in a spot that is close to Fast gen, but doesn't obstruct the paths of 2 other generals, blocking C13 and attacking L6.

Leader 15) 100 Sailor, 120 Petty Off., 1 Mutineer = 4.4k XP for wave-2

Adding 1 extra round (if you have a free MMA) shouldn't be a problem for the block on C24, but C25 block is shorter, requires calculations - I'll do them when I play BC, so for now it's up to you to count the distances and delays.

wave-1 MMA (no skills) 1Rec
wave-2 Mary 20MoS 175MoM 20Bes

vigabrand

10.01.18, 21:05

YWC

C8+L3 with Mary 40MoS 159MoM 1Bes [no loss on C8, 38MoS loss on L3]
L3 has 4.6k basic XP

thx for this little gem :)

using annex, if i add 15 Bes or 15 Mom will it reduce losses?

Kris3457

10.01.18, 21:36

YWC
using annex, if i add 15 Bes or 15 Mom will it reduce losses?

No.
Horsemen have first strike, so you can't defend against them (30-32 MS killed) and even 215 troops won't be enough to kill Mysterious Thief before he makes his kill (8 MS).
Btw, it's still Skilled Mary, despite only 200 troops, so Planner + Charge in use.

vigabrand

11.01.18, 16:41

thx Kris, this battle system is very complicated :)

Kris3457

12.01.18, 12:18

Sinbad and the Sea Snake - up to 39.7k extra XP (51.6k with Fast Learner-3) and 449Rec 30Bow (or 367Bow) + 14MS extra losses.
Version "Light" (only 1-wave attacks) = 15.2k XP (19.8k XP with Fast Learner-3), 4MS extra losses.

Skilled Mary Christmas (Master Planner, Annex-3, Charge-3, Overrun-3).

An "add-on" to Evil_J's guide to Sea Snake (Skilled CoA guide):

Before you move all generals to the opposite site of the map, you may use Mary to destroy one camp (from land zone).
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Land zone
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Not numbered Camp (150 Petty Off., 120 Cannon Master) = 5.8k XP
Mary 4MoS 211MoM
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Sector 1
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Below C1 there are 2 camps normally not attacked (you can attack them while other generals do their jobs):

Not numbered Camp (100 Sailor, 150 Petty Off.) = 4.6k XP
Mary 4MoS 211MoM [no loss]

Not numbered Camp (250 Cannon Master) = ca. 6k XP left for wave-2
wave-1 Any 110Rec /or/ 84Bow (must kill 25 Cannon Master)
wave-2 Mary 4MoS 211MoM
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Sector 2
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
C7: 100 Sailor 90 Mounted Sailor 70 Petty Officer = 4.8k XP
Mary 25MoS 190MoM
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Sector 3
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
off topic: C16 can be blocked
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Sector 5
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
C25: 250 Sailor = ca. 4.6k XP left for wave-2
wave-1 Any 119Rec /or/ 88Bow (must kill 27 Sailor)
wave-2 Mary 2MoS 213MoM

Leader 13: 270 Cannon Master 1 Steersman = ca. 13.9k XP left for wave-2
w-1 Any 195Bow /or/ Vet 220Rec 30Bow (must kill 60 Cannon Master)
w-2 Mary 12MoS 203ArM

mrnjau

13.01.18, 13:42

Mary Christmas general is introduced like double XP general and with Fast learner skill, she brings 30% more XP.
I skilled her 3 jog, 3 juggernaut, 3 hostile takeover and 3 Fast learner and from YWC I got 30k XP over the top and 300 mercenary recruits.
Well, why not to try to reskill Anslem and one of MGs for hostile takeover as well. Traveling speed was sacrificed and was expected to get more mercs.
YWC, C2: 110 Desert Marksman, 100 Stone Cannon, and the result was completely confusing, MC brings 60 mercenaries , MG - 27. Not even half.
Anslem results were also skinny regarding same skill and for camps that have higher rank.
Since MC and MG are similar regarding combat strenght (difference in size of army) result should be the same for particular camp.
Obviously not, either there is mistake with MC or some hidden, not published math regarding hostile takeover skill.
Any explanation?

mrnjau

13.01.18, 15:51

I got the answer from my guildies, number of mercs is calculated from xp general gain defeating the camp, so MC bring 130% more xp then any other general, 130% more mercs

luckydiddy

15.01.18, 22:11

Hi,

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/OuxGxt3ayI8279QbjsrYsV5YAl4x43ewANjc9QS9Tqqj4Hh9aZ kWSaseaMY1ZL9NSEeqcVQGFc_FmK9u6Ub7hJ9SxoWj8gcUoJYF moFf3iBe0cVWCA_N8UbGOky7WT2KDg

Been playing around with YWC a bit more ... and my Mary has slightly different skills.

***UPDATED 23/01/2018*** 2 versions added -
speed and full run. Up to 353k XP.

This is STILL work in progress for YWC using

Skilled Generals NUS, VAR, ANS, MMA's, MG, 2x TAV - check the skills before you follow this as the skills may be different to yours, and as a result attacks will need adjusting. Its a good guide at least to where Mary can be used to boost XP.

There are 2 alternatives presented here .. speed run and full run.

Please note Wiki's version claims to gain 139k xp (non prem) 262 MS + 52K losses. EvilJ similar XP for 166R + 208MS + 1 AM losses

Speed version …. 210K XP (non prem) or 316k XP (Prem) for 285 MS losses and a NET gain of approx 200 Merc Recruits for approx 1 hr adventure = better than wiki

Full version 235k XP (non-prem) or 353k xp (Prem) for 390MS losses - still a better xp/loss ratio than wiki.

Camps left could provde approx 75-100k xp more but I considered losses to be too great.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vR52W2QVR0EWNPq1ZhPiUnsLlvecZSBq7o0YGikCYpI9191yG Irw3tZvCrM6YrSsimlZpN0C_3qnUeo/pub

Thanks to other previous posters on here and guild members for pointing me towards more camps Mary could be used for and Stonewaller for a really nuts block idea in latest update.

Luckydiddy

Tatooine

16.01.18, 20:05

Have been looking around for camps in the ventures where Mary can be usefull (refering to guides made by Evil's)
Sofar i found:

The fishermen and his wife: Camp C3 Mary 215 MM (zero kill). No further us of Mary in this one.
Hansel and Gretel: Camp C2 Mary 215 MM (zero Kill). No further us of Mary in this one.

to be continued and hope for other input on this

kuubel

23.01.18, 09:26

took forever and stupid losses. just had to try.

SnowBlizz

23.01.18, 18:22

One step ahead

I'd not recommend trying this with unskilled generals. Mostly Mary can't do a lot without huge losses in suicides and loads of generals. However, check out the L9-L12 trick and use Mary to suicide 1-2 camps if nothing else. ~75.000 extra XP from killing the treasure alone..

C1 ~4600 XP after W1
Vet 250 Bows, Mary 25Msw 174MM, 250 bows ~25Msw loss
any 200 bows, skilled Mary 12 Msw 203 MM, loss 200bows 11Msw
C4 ~5850 XP after W1
RobinHood 250bows (Vet with 3x Rapid Fire), skilled Mary 2Msw 213MM, loss 250 bows ~2Msw
Vet 250bows, skilled Mary 20Msw 195MM, loss 250 bows ~20Msw
C5 < 5250 XP after W1
W1: Log/vet/mg/mma 5 rec 215 bows OR W1: RobinHood 185 bows
bowskillMMA 165bows 5recs, skilled Mary 215MM
C6 3800 XP
Mary 30Msw 10B 160+MM
C7 6500 XP
skilled Mary 43Msw 172MM
C9 ~4975 XP after W1
any 170 bows, skilled Mary 215MM (get it down to 98 sailors)
2 waves 290 bows, unskilled Mary 200MM, loss 290 bows
C10 ~5200 XP after W1
vet 250 bows, skilled Mary 215 MM, loss 250 bows
C11 ~7700 XP after W1
vet 250 bows, skilled Mary 50 MSw, 165 MM, loss 250 bows ~50Msw
C12
L3: 10.000 XP
skilled Mary 40Msw 175B, loss ~40 Msw
unskilled Mary 45Msw 155B, loss ~45Msw
C13 ~5800 XP after W1
W1: Vet 250 bows, skilled Mary 215MM, loss 250 bows
W1: Vet 250bows, unskilled Mary 36MSw 34MM 150 AM, loss 250bows 35Msw

C14 ~4600 XP after waves 1-2
Nus 180cav, MMA 1cav (or more), make sure all boatswains are dead before Mary attacks
skilled Mary 10Msw 205M

The camps for the long run C16-C23 are not really worth it with Mary IMO as you need to suicide them so much there's hardly any XP left, also uses up loads of generals. Though it's certainly possible. Much better to clear them with other gens and save generals and bowmen for suiciding extra fleet camps and using Mary there.

L9-L11, use Mary and 40cav (if unskilled, ie no Unstoppable charge) to suicide treasure for 20k XP each. Ie don't use MMA to clear treasure out.
Alternatively L9-L11: ~14.725 XP after wave 3
W1-W3 Any 200 bows x3 (ie 600* bows suicided) W4: unskilled Mary 15 Msw, 20 MM, 165AM, loss 15 Msw
W1-W3 600* bows suicided, W4 skilled Mary 10 Msw 40 MM, 165 AM, loss 10 MSw
*better generals and Rapid Fire cuts this down, target ~60 Battle Hardened Sailor, avoid using MMA, Nus or Ans in suicide due to Flanking killing treasure.

L12 ~11.100 XP after W1-W2
W1 MG 270bows, W2 unskilled Mary 15 Msw 80 AM 105 MM, loss <15 Msw

W1 MG 270bows, W2 skilled Mary 10Msw 80AM 125MM, loss <10MSw

geezer123

26.01.18, 17:13

Hi,

Been playing around with YWC a bit more ... and my Mary has slightly different skills.

Currently got it to 210717 XP (no-prem) or 316076 XP (Prem)

Losses 285 MS + 221 R (But as I use Merc Rec's .. and earn far more from the adventure than I use up I don't really count them .. they are here purely for completeness sake.

My guide can be found ...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vR52W2QVR0EWNPq1ZhPiUnsLlvecZSBq7o0YGikCYpI9191yG Irw3tZvCrM6YrSsimlZpN0C_3qnUeo/pub

Thanks to other previous posters on here and guild members for pointing me towards more camps Mary could be used for and Stonewaller for a really nuts block idea in latest update.

LuckydiddyTY for posting your guide, in your first attack with Mary you lose 58MS (Ouch!). Try it with 20MS 195MM losses around 18MS. Last sector instead of blocking with TavG you attack with Mary for 14.6k XP, I could only get 10k+. With those adjustments I'm 204.4k XP (before prem) for 250MS & 220R. Thank you!

dreaduk

26.01.18, 18:03

Last sector instead of blocking with TavG you attack with Mary for 14.6k XP, !

which camp is that ?

geezer123

26.01.18, 19:07

which camp is that ?Evil J C13, Corona 88 camp 20

geezer123

26.01.18, 21:33

SnowBlizz

27.01.18, 00:04

I'm confused.com because C3 can be taken out with 270MM for no loss. All the EvilJ guides numbering is the same https://prnt.sc/i63te0. Wondered if it was a numbering mix up?
No it's correct.
Almost every camp can be taken out more cheaply or for no loss by not using Mary. I've listed the cases where I thoguht it might make sense and had a go at those. 35MSw loss for 5670 XP extra + posisble prem is "reasonable" to me. There are several more camps like that on the map. next one is C6.

Some slackers have only tested very low additional losses or no losses. I went for everything one could reasonably do. Someone even crazier can do a guide where they clear absolutely every camp with Mary but it won't be me.

geezer123

27.01.18, 08:42

No it's correct.
Almost every camp can be taken out more cheaply or for no loss by not using Mary. I've listed the cases where I thoguht it might make sense and had a go at those. Ah! Suddenly it becomes crystal clear! Thank you :-D

dreaduk

27.01.18, 09:40

Evil J C13, Corona 88 camp 20

Thanks hadn't spotted that.

Pamissou

28.01.18, 14:18

I don't use evilj guides or maps, could you please say which camps these are, as in which troops they hold? thanks :)

HFoC

28.01.18, 20:37

I don't use evilj guides or maps, could you please say which camps these are, as in which troops they hold? thanks :)

or look here:
https://forum.thesettlersonline.net/threads/15681-Evil_J-Adventure-Guides

luckydiddy

30.01.18, 11:37

TY for posting your guide, in your first attack with Mary you lose 58MS (Ouch!). Try it with 20MS 195MM losses around 18MS. Last sector instead of blocking with TavG you attack with Mary for 14.6k XP, I could only get 10k+. With those adjustments I'm 204.4k XP (before prem) for 250MS & 220R. Thank you!

Updated mine .. you are looking at the wrong camp ... the 50/50 camp at start yes 20 MS and 160MM works well ... the camp with 160 Mounted Bowman is killable with 215 MS and approx 58MS losses .... as shown in the guide both the old version and updated version this isn't worth it unless you also have fast learner 3 and prem.... and even then it may still depend on how many YWC's your explorers find per day/week, current queue in elite barracks, whether you are after loot or xp etc for whether this is worth it to you.

Xibor

30.01.18, 20:31

No specifics from me - just a general comment that I have found lots and lots of use for Mary and am collecting much more experience on many adventures because of it. I trained her with 3 books in charge and improved accuracy (and of course max experience bonus) and it's amazing how many adventures I've found where she can hit with small or no losses, or perhaps with a lead in first wave by another general to weaken the camp. The more I look the more I find. Great general if you spend the time hunting the special opportunities.

wacky_racers

04.02.18, 12:16

ty for guide and yes the block in 1st sector works without plat horseshoe

SnowBlizz

09.02.18, 16:33

I've uprgaded my ToW guide with some options, primarily skilled Mary

ARNOREK

11.02.18, 09:51

The Nords- Skilled Mary (max extra XP) :cool:

Mary skills: https://ctrlv.cz/kk0K
My MAP: https://ctrlv.cz/1Kdj
Some extra XP: https://ctrlv.cz/79JC
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Sektor 1:
C1+C2: Mary 80C 135XB
T1: Mary 11R 1E 203C
C3: Mary 9R 1E 205XB
C4: Mary 9R 1E 40C 165XB
L1: Mary 9R 1E 40C 165XB
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Sektor 2:
C5: Mary 215XB
C6+C7: Mary 215XB
C8+C9: Mary 2R 1E 42C 170XB
L2: Mary 42R 1E 43C 129XB
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Sektor 3:
C10: Mary 215XB
C11: Mary 2R 1E 42C 170XB
C12: Mary 6R 1E 208XB
C14: Mary 75C
C15: Mary 215XB
L3: Mary 12R 1E 42C 160XB
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Sektor 4:
C16: Mary 1E 25C 189XB
C17: Mary 19R 1E 195XB
C18: Mary 32R 1E 182XB
L4: Major 87R 8M 1E 174XB
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Sektor 5:
C19: Mary 215XB
C20: Mary 80R 1M 1E 133XB
C21: Mary 215C
L5:
suicide waves with 1R (Nusala, Vargus, Anslem, MMA, Dracul)
Mary 52M 2E 161XB
OR
Normal attack : Major 52M 2E 216XB ( some loose EXP)
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Antoneeeee

20.02.18, 15:04

get even more xp on Nords if you kill ALL the camps in sector 1 and use militia on L4 :] with mary - think i've had it up to 64k xp using mary on every camp -

ooh and just received over 1 million on prem for full oil lamp - i love my mary gen

Budgy

22.02.18, 15:54

skilled (http://prntscr.com/im73lo) mary, EvilJ camps: skilled gens: nus, mma and suicide gens have 3x RF

Compare with EvilJ guides to see if extra troop loss is worth the XP.

UPDATE!

Fisherman
C1: mma 235b + mary 65ms 150mm
C2.5 150 boar + 150 wolf: Mary 215 MM
L1: V 250b + mary 55ms 160mm
L4: mary 52ms 163mm

Hansel
2 + 2.5: mary 215 mm. Sent to camp 2.5, below leader camp, intercept will take care of camp 2
4: 50b + mary 215 mm (TSO fast sim has incorrect unit numbers, there are 160 boars, not 100)
8: mma 220b + mary 215 mm
9: 115b + mary 215 mm
13: mary 215mm
L8: vet 250b + mary 55ms 160mm
L10: nus 170b + mary 18ms 197am
L11: nus 180b + var 195r + ans 60r + mary 18ms 37am 160mm

Pied piper
L1: mary 55am 160mm
NEW L3: mma 1mm (5x) + mma 235b + mary 15ms 200mm
C1: mary 17 ms 198 mm
L10: Var 1mm + mma 1r + mma 1r + Ans 132s + Nus 180b + mary 15ms 200mm (5600 / 7300 xp)

Red Riding Hood
2: mary 215mm
L1: 200b + mary 15-50ms 200-165mm (Use sim on mary to save loads of troops)
5: 200b + mary 215
L3: 136b + mary 20ms 195mm
L4: mma 235b + 65b +mary 15ms 200am
9: mma220b + mary 215mm
L5: mma 235b + mma 235b + mary 6ms 144am 65mm (6000/7800 xp)
L8: 200b + 200b + 250b + mary 55ms+160mm (28ms + 10mm EXTRA loss compared to major gen) (4500/5800 xp)
L9: mma 235b + 85b + mary 55ms 160mm
L10: nus 180b + nus 180b + var 195b + mary 10ms 205mm

Snow White
L1: mma 235b + mary 35ms 65am 115mm. (6000/7300 xp) If you do Evil_J's block, the first camp can fail (10%)
L2: 170b + mary 40ms 50am 125mm
L3: 200b + mary 50ms 165mm
7: 200b +mary 25ms 40am 150mm
L5: mma 1mm (7x) + mma 235b + mary 40ms 90k 85b (3300/4250) (save 30 knights compared to EvilJ)
L6: mma 235 + mary 5ms 210mm (7700/10000) Make sure only 41 rm are left (or lose 9 mm per excess rm)
L7: nus 180b + mary 60ms 155mm (4500/5800)

PELIAS

27.02.18, 11:15

I have made a guide for the Cutter adventure. It is a little extreme but it uses Mary with the Fast learner and Bounty hunter skills. Max tested losses is 112 Mounted Swordsman using the first aid skill. And I get over 260k experience and 90 star coins. With the elite barracks at level 6 and some good buffs you can pretty much do the adventure over again all day and not go through all your trained Mounted Swordsman.

http://settlersonlinewiki.eu/en/adventures/fairy-tale/ali-baba-the-young-wood-cutter/ali-baba-the-young-wood-cutter-270-mma-nus-var-ans-mch-dracul-pelias/

hades8840

01.03.18, 18:14

PELIAS

02.03.18, 11:15

assuming thats 260k with prem because looking at your map you dont use mary enough to get 260k plus prem

Thats correct. Sorry for the miss info. It is 172k without prem and 60 star coins.

Zacar

02.03.18, 21:42

Budgy

03.03.18, 06:07

there really isn't any need for a guide to using mary since you can use any existing guide and just substitute mary into it.

if mary can take the camp with acceptable losses thats what should be done. BTW don't forget you can do a sacrifice 1r MMA hit to make it more economical or even burn up those extra recruits you've been earning with a 265 recruit vet or 285 maj gen.

its that easy.

How do you "just substitute" Mary for MG? She has 70 less units, that's a big difference. Sometimes attacks fail horribly if you are 5 mm/am short.

You will have to sim to get the best army composition. And that is what we do. We do the simming for you and we tell what camps have good xp.

Kris3457

03.03.18, 07:37

Budgy, could you make your 2 posts from previous page into one with all your remarks for Evil Queen chain in them? I'd prefer to make a link to one post (given that there aren't many camps in total).
And also, please write what skills your Mary has :)

Budgy

03.03.18, 07:51

Done
https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=339638&viewfull=1#post339638

Zacar

07.03.18, 08:24

How do you "just substitute" Mary for MG? She has 70 less units, that's a big difference. Sometimes attacks fail horribly if you are 5 mm/am short.

You will have to sim to get the best army composition. And that is what we do. We do the simming for you and we tell what camps have good xp.

with generals having skills your general may be very different. Its best to run the various camps yourself in a sim to find the best combinations of troops.

about the ONLY real point of guides is the blocks and starting locations for generals now.

If a 200 troop general can take the camp....so can mary. that's the general rule. Losses are of course expected to be higher then a MG/MMA/vargus/etc and its if they are acceptable or not if u use mary.

Mary is powerfull enough that in two places in Young Woodcutter I let her get intercepted and take down 2 camps at once with only one of those needing an 1r MMA before(or risk lossing a few mounted marksmen).

Mary can take out every L camp(from evilJ guide) in woodcutters except the very last one.

Areop-Enap

11.03.18, 22:47

Maybe I missed it, but didn't see anyone having posted camps from ToK where General Mary can be used so I thought I would take the time to post the ones I have found while working on my personal ToK guide.

For reference, I used the camp number layout from http://settlersonlinewiki.eu/maps/mapawiedza04en.jpg

Skills for Mary:
https://i.imgur.com/Sm0Y218.png?1

-- Unnumbered Extra Camp 1 in SW Corner of G1 (90 Horsemen, 40 Dune Marksmen, 90 Desert Marksmen) --
{MaryX} 36MS 179MM [29MS - 31MS - 35MS]

Camp 15 (80 Sword Wielders, 70 Horsemen, 1 Scarred Thief)
{MaryX} 42MS 4K 169B [36MS 1K - 39MS 2K - 42MS 4K]

-- Unnumbered Extra Camp 2 in SE Corner below Camp 18 (100 Sword Clashers, 110 Desert Marksmen) --
{MaryX} 215MM [-]

-- Unnumbered Extra Camp 3 in SE Corner below Camp 18 (70 Stone Cannons, 70 Dune Marksmen, 70 Desert Marksmen) --
{MaryX} 215MM [-]
(Protip to save time: From G2, Mary can be sent to the camp furthest down and get intercepted by the first to kill both camps above, she can then be sent to kill camp 18 upon return)

Camp 18 (100 Sword Clashers, 100 Horsemen, 1 Smart Thief)
{MaryX} 43MS 172MM [34MS - 39MS - 43MS]

Camp 22 (80 Horsemen, 70 Sword Clashers, 80 Dune Marksmen)
{MaryX} 32MS 183MM [25MS - 28MS - 31MS]

Camp 23 (120 Sword Wielders, 120 Stone Cannons)
{MaryX} 34MS 120AM 61MM [29MS - 31MS - 33MS]

Camp 29 (120 Desert Marksmen, 100 Stone Cannons, 1 Mysterious Thief)
{MaryX} 8MS 207MM [4MS - 7MS - 8MS]

Camp 31 (100 Sword Clashers, 100 Stone Cannons, 1 Smart Thief)
{MaryX} 12MS 203MM [2MS - 3MS - 11MS]

-- Unnumbered Extra Camp 5 on the right side of G4 (260 Dune Marksmen) --
{MaryX} 215MM [-]

-- Unnumbered Extra Camp 6 on the right side of G4 (70 Sword Clashers, 70 Dune Marksmen, 80 Stone Cannons) --
{MaryX} 215MM [-]
(Protip to save time: From G4, Mary can be sent to the camp furthest down and get intercepted by the first to kill both camps above just be sure the camp next to camp 31 is destroyed first)

Camp 33 (100 Horsemen, 100 Stone Cannons)
{MaryX} 40MS 175MM [32MS - 35MS - 39MS]

Camp 35 (90 Horsemen, 40 Sword Clashers, 90 Desert Marksmen)
{MaryX} 36MS 179MM [29MS - 31MS - 35MS]

Camp 37 (90 Dune Marksmen, 90 Horsemen, 1 Smart Thief)
{MaryX} 36MS 179MM [28MS - 32MS - 35MS]

Camp 42 (120 Horsemen, 120 Dune Marksmen)
{MaryX} 47MS 168MM [39MS - 42MS - 46MS]

I also use her for Camp 24 after sending a MMA 1MM to avoid losing Mounted Marksmen.

Skills for MMA: https://i.imgur.com/WF97xgI.png (Most relevant for this attack would be Juggernaut, First Aid and maybe Unstoppable Charge)

Camp 24 (80 Horsemen, 80 Desert Marksmen, 80 Stone Cannons)
1st Wave: {Skilled MMA} 1MM [-]
2nd Wave: {MaryX} 33MS 182MM [21MS - 23MS - 32MS]

I get ~209 star coins from full adventure without premium. General Mary is the only general I got with Bounty Hunter skill so it's easy to get an image of how much XP she earned in by taken the star coin number and multiply it with 1000...

Sidenote: I sacrificed her with a load full of recruits on the last camp for an extra boost.

Kris3457

12.03.18, 07:53

Areop-Enap

12.03.18, 15:07

Thanks, there's one version of ToK (unskilled + skilled Mary), but I've added your post in spoilers with other skilled-only versions, ToK is quite confusing, so it's good to have at least one version for those who use Wiki's camps numbers.

Ah, I see it now. One with Master Planner. It's always good with variety. :D
It was easier for me to use the wiki map as reference since i had to sim all camps anyway and, as you said, ToK can get confusing. :)

Kris3457

29.03.18, 19:44

Take up Arms!

Easter Event 2018/2019 - camps are the same
Experience Points of the Party Crashers:
Bad or mediocre: Rascal 2, Ruffian 5, Vandal 9, Prankster 9, Bully 10, Scoundrel 10
Good: Grouch 20, Cad 22, Whiner 30, Scallywag 80, Denis (boss) 1500
Great: Alex (boss) 7500, Bob (boss) 17500

Premium bonus is NOT applied on home island, which is consistent with premium buffs description ("50% XP from adventures"). Thanks to kke2100 for this information.

Warning: "Day" refers to Event's consecutive Day for players who regularly destroy their camps from Day 1, so if you started the Event later than on Monday or if you skipped a day or more, check carefully the units.

Experience from fights:
[Non-Mary / unskilled Mary / Mary with Fast Learn-3])

All attacks with unskilled Mary. Values with Fast Learner-3 given for reference only.

2018 (or 2019) Easter Event camps in Spoiler, from Day 5

Day 5) 70 Rascal, 50 Prankster, Denis The Delinquent [XP: 2090 / 4180 / 4807]
Regular Army: Mary 200 Rec [63R]
- or - Mary 60 Rec 140 Mil [60R 1M]
- or - Mary 60 Rec 90 Mil 50 Ka [60R 1M]
Elite Army: Mary 130 Swordsman 70 Knight [13 Kn]
- or - Mary 70 Knight 40 Besieger [13 Kn]

Day 6) 50 Vandal, 30 Scoundrel, 50 Prankster [XP: 1200 / 2400 / 2760]
Regular Army: Mary 200 Rec [135R]
- or - Mary 130 Rec 70 Mil [130R]
- or - Mary 110 Rec 90 Ka [108R]
Elite Army: Mary 150 Knight [12 Kn]

Day 7) 50 Vandal, 50 Prankster, 20 Scallywag [XP: 2500 / 5000 / 5750]
Regular Army: Mary 200 Rec [121R]
- or - Mary 115 Rec 85 Mil [115R]
- or - Mary 94 Rec 1 Mil 105 Ka [94R]
Elite Army: Mary 150 Mounted Swordsman [14 MS]
- or - Mary 150 Knight [22 Kn]

Day 8 - Monday) 50 Vandal, 20 Bully, 70 Prankster [XP: 1280 / 2560 / 2944]
Regular Army: Mary 200 Rec [152R]
- or - Mary 145 Rec 55 Mil [145R]
- or - Mary 110 Rec 90 Ka [110R]
Elite Army: Mary 200 Knight [16 Kn]

Day 9 - Tuesday) 100 Vandal, 50 Scoundrel [XP: 1400 / 2800 / 3220]
Regular Army: Mary 137 Rec 1 Sol 62 Cav [137R 1S 1Cav]
- or - (if no Cavalry) wave-1 Any general 35 Rec (kills 13 Vandal) + wave-2 Mary 200 Rec [total loss 229R]
Elite Army: Mary 175 Knight [-]

Day 10 - Wednesday) 80 Bully, 20 Scallywag, Alex The Troublemaker [XP: 9900 / 19800 / 22770]
Regular Army:
wave-1 Any 200 Rec (kills 62 Bully)
wave-2 Mary 113 Rec 87 Ka [total loss: 313R] (max. total XP: 9900 / 19180 / 21964)

It's possible to use Mary with Rec+XBow to kill Alex, if you don't have cannons, but wave-1 would have to kill more troops (Veteran needed) or kill at least some Scallywags (MMA needed). XP is still nice (15k XP for Alex alone, 17250 XP if Mary has FastLearn-3 skill)
If you want to kill all Bullies and Scallywags, try: wave-1 Any general 200R, wave-2 Any general 115R. This should leave Alex alone in the camp, so wave-3: Mary 38 Rec 162 XBow [total loss: 353R]. Total XP = 17,400 (2,400 from waves 1 + 2, and 15k from Mary killing Alex).

Elite Army: Mary 200 Swordsman [46Sw]
- or - Mary 12 Mounted Swordsman 188 Knight [12MS 10Kn] (with proper skills you save 6MS of those 12)

Day 11 - Thursday) 50 Bully, 100 Cad, 30 Scallywag [XP: 5100 / 10200 / 11730]
Regular Army:
wave-1 Any 200 Rec (kills 45 Bully)
wave-2 Mary 140 Rec 60 Mil [total loss: 340R] (max. total XP: 4650 / 9750 /11145)
- or -
wave-1 Any 200 Rec (kills 45 Bully)
wave-2 Mary 135 Rec 65 Ka [total loss: 335R] (max. total XP: 4650 / 9750 /11145)

Elite Army: Mary 200 Knight [33Kn]
- or - Mary 192 Knight 8 Besieger [29Kn] (with proper skills loss can be 15Kn)

Day 12 - Friday) 50 Bully, 50 Ruffian, 70 Scallywag [XP: 6350 / 12700 / 14605]
88% XP come from Scallywags, so you don't lose much by killing Bullies and Ruffians with other generals (use a simulator after wave-1 to see how many Recruits needed to kill most of the Ruffians, but leave as many Scallywags as possible)

Regular Army:
wave-1 Any 200 Rec (kills 35 Bully)
wave-2 Any 175 Rec (kills 15 Bully 48 Ruffian)
wave-3 Mary 200 Rec [total loss 464R]

One of the waves can be MMA (would attack Ruffians first), also Vargus or Dracul are ok as wave-1 and wave-2. Don't use 2 MMAs, and also avoid Nusala, Anslem because they would kill Scallywags, taking away from Mary lots of XP.

Elite Army: Mary 200 Knight [50Kn]
- or - Mary 180 Knight 20 Besieger [35Kn]
- or -
wave-1 Any 200 Rec (kills 35 Bully)
wave-2 Any 175 Rec (kills 15 Bully 48 Ruffian)
wave-3 Mary 110 Mounted Swordsman [total loss 375R + 14MS]

Day 13 - Saturday) 20 Grouch, 100 Whiner [XP: 3400 / 6800 / 7820]
Regular Army:
Mary 20 Rec 160XBow [20R]
Elite Army:
Mary 200 Knight [-]
- or - Mary 100 Mounted Marksman [-]
- or - Mary 200 Mounted Swordsman [2MS]

Day 14 - Sunday) 50 Bully, 50 Grouch, 150 Whiner [XP: 6000 / 12000 / 13800]
Regular Army:
wave-1 Any General 200R (kills 50 Bully, 3 Grouch)
wave-2 Any General 155R (kills 31 Grouch) - or - wave-2 Any General 120Bowman (kills 31 Grouch)
left in camp: 16 Grouch, 150 Whiner [XP: 4820 / 9640 / 11086] + 1180 XP from waves 1-2
wave-3 Mary 16 Rec 184XBow [total loss: 371R] - or - [total loss: 216R + 120B]

Elite Army:
Mary 200 Mounted Marksman [-]

Day 15 - Monday) 100 Grouch, 50 Scallywag, 1 Bob the Miscreant [XP: 23,500 / 47,000 / 54,050]
(XP composition: Grouch = 8.5%, Scallywag = 17%, Bob (boss) = 74.5%)

Bob alone is worth 35k XP for Mary Christmas (40.2k XP if Mary has Fast Learner-3), killing all other troops with normal generals with add 6k XP to it.
This one camp is worth half of an adventure from the Fairy Tale category, this should help you decide what losses are OK for you.

Regular Army:
(all generals without any skills)
wave-1 Anslem 150R (kills 30-41 Grouch, 40-50 Scallywag)
wave-2 Veteran 250R (kills 70 Grouch, 6 Scallywag)
left in camp: 4 Scallywag, 1 Bob
wave-3 Mary 56 Soldier 4 Bowman 140 XBow [total loss: 400R 55S 4B]

This is just one example of possible solutions, Anslem is most effective as wave-1 suicider, but of course you can use MMA(s) or Nusala first to reduce the number of Scallywags, then Recruits with Tavern general (or Veteran). For waves 1 and 2 it's better to use only Recruits or (if first wave(s) killed some Scallywags) Recruits and then Bowmen. No matter what generals you choose, Cavalry is a bad idea.
And if your Mary has some skills (like Overrun or Battle Frenzy), your losses can be lower.

Elite Army:
Mary 32 Mounted Swordsman 50 Knight 118 Besieger [31MS 25Kn]
Skilled Mary examples: Mary 20MS 165Kn 30Bes [20MS 25Kn] - needed skills: Overrun-3, Charge-3, Annex-3, Planner (Mary with skills from Settlers Wiki)
Mary 22MS 177Kn 16Bes [21MS 25Kn] - needed skills: Overrun-3, Frenzy-2, Annex-3, Planner (Mary with skills from Evil_J's guides)

Day 16 and later - Tuesday and later) 50 Grouch, 1 Denis, 1 Alex, 1 Bob [XP: 27,500 / 55,000 / 63,250]
(XP composition: Grouch = 3.6%, Denis = 5.5%, Alex = 27.3% Bob = 63.6%)

Regular Army:
I'm not sure if the total 45k XP (unskilled Mary) is worth the troops, you may consider using truces+bribes. Killing Grouches without troops loss (using MMAs, Draculs, Champions) could help a little.

wave-1 (to kill 50 Grouch + Denis): Veteran 130Rec 10Sol 110Bow / or / Major 150Rec 120Bow
wave-2 (to kill Alex): MMA 133Mil 87Bow
left in camp: 1 Bob
wave-3 Mary 56 Soldier 144 XBow [total loss: 130R 133M 65S 197B]

Elite Army:
Mary 29MS 1Mar 100AM 70MM [26MS 1Mar]

Mary skilled with 7 books (needs Overrun-2): 10MS 1Mar 119AM 70MM [10MS 1Mar]
Fully skilled Mary will have the same losses (10MS + 1Mar).

KingCannon

11.04.18, 10:05

C3 just killed my Mary and cost me 55MS and 145MM. Thanks.

Kris3457

11.04.18, 11:15

C3 just killed my Mary and cost me 55MS and 145MM. Thanks.

After some chat, we discovered the reason for this misunderstanding.

Princess:
evil-j 2.0 version skilled map

Unfortunatelly, using the guide starting from land zone makes it a completely different camp, so that's the reason for losses.

C3 in the referred guide on Beautiful Princess (270 Sailor)
Unskilled Mary with 55MS 145MM always wins the fight (losing up to 52MS)
- checked on en.tsomaps.com/adv-calc/ (100k repetitions)
- checked on dsosim.de (100k repetitions)
- checked on /settlersonlinemaps.com/fastsim.php (FastSim v5.2) (10k repetitions)

ginny31

11.04.18, 11:16

geezer123

12.04.18, 10:30

.Thank you for this detailed and insightful post.

ginny31

12.04.18, 12:24

Thank you for this detailed and insightful post.

your welcome

Kris3457

12.04.18, 13:23

Thank you for this detailed and insightful post.

No need for sarcasm :)
ginny asked KingCannon what adventure he failed on camp C3, but I posted almost at the same time, and my post cleared it, so ginny edited his (hers). Of course, it would be better to delete the post to avoid confusion later.

Budgy

21.04.18, 10:27

I have updated my post about the Evil Queen ventures. https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/35559-Reasonable-use-of-Mary-Christmas.?p=339638&viewfull=1#post339638

SnowBlizz

23.04.18, 19:51

Here's my version of 3rd Thief: https://tinyurl.com/y97ynv7p

Requires Skilled Generals as per Evil J, plus 1-up MMA's, 1-up Dracs, and Skilled Mary (details in guide).

Gets 216k XP (plus premium). Losses of 388r, 220-240MS, 20M, 24K.

Same link also now has 430k XP (plus premium) version of Treasure of Wisdom.

Please check block C9 block in 3rd thief guide. evil-j an corona has it as 106-107 Msw 60 AM, the 148MSw seems to short. Yours is ~5 rounds evilj/corona one 15-25 rounds.

Kris3457

24.04.18, 07:09

The proper block (Evil, corona) with 106MS + 60AM lasts 320s (Tavern), 170s (MOD - or 180s if 1MS less) or 160s (BHG) - all versions are safe, even BHG, but ...
Aggro zone walk is around 40s + fight 52s = 92s needed block, and Tavern with 148MS would go for 100 seconds, so leaving a slight margin (8 seconds) for Vargus or Major with Conf. Leader-2 (like required). Horseshoes increase that safety margin even to 13s (Br.) or 15s (Plat.).
So the block holds and you don't need to re-assign troops for the next sector, since 148MS is the proper block for Camp15 :)

Sure it's easy to mess up, if someone uses Vargus without Conf. Leader-2 and forgets to re-check the times or if you don't use precise placement, but more of a flying start (with flag count).

Kris3457

27.04.18, 19:25

For now, only VLT + HLT, other three (BLT, Sons, CLT) with just 1-2 attacks and not much XP.

Skills for Mary Christmas: Master Planner, Annex-3, Charge-3, Overrun-3.
Naturally, Charge-3 needed only if Cavalry used, and Overrun-3 if fight against a Boss unit (no such fights so far).

All XP values shown are meant as extra XP, if using Mary with Fast Learner-3 skill.

Valiant LT - 7k extra XP (Fast Learn-3) from 4 attacks, if you have enough MMAs.
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Valiant - Sector 1
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C2) 120 Wolf [= 1.5k extra XP]
Mary: 85Rec 5ES 125Cav
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Valiant - Sector 2
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C7) 90 Boar, 60 Wolf [wave 3 = 1.8k extra XP]
w-1 MMA: 1Rec
w-2 MMA: 17Rec (less Rec, if your MMAs have Juggernaut skill)
w-3 Mary 131Rec 1ES 83Ka
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Valiant - Sector 4
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C15) 80 Royal Recruit, 60 Royal Bowman [wave 3 = 2k extra XP]
w-1 MMA: 1Rec
w-2 MMA: 1Rec
w-3 Mary 113Rec 1ES 16Cav 85Ka

C17) 60 Royal Militia, 30 Royal Cannoneer [wave 2 = 1.7k extra XP]
w-1 *: Any General 143Bow (kills 28RM)
w-2: Mary 70R 1ES 144XBow (OK vs. 32RM + 30RKa)

* Wave 1 must kill 28 Royal Militia (you can use a general with Rapid Fire-3 here to lower the losses of Bowmen).
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Heroic LT - up to 16k extra XP (Fast Learn-3) from several attacks, mostly in the last 3 sectors with Dancing Dervishes.
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Heroic - Sector 3
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Leader 3) 40 Boar, 60 Fox, 80 Giant [wave-2 = 2.6k extra XP]
w-1* Veteran-Rapid-Fire-2: 237Bow (kills 40 Boar, 47 Fox) (10s)
w-2 Mary 1ES 13Bow 201XBow (20s)

Total time = 80s (30s fight + 50s walk), Evil_J's block has 100s. It's safe to add a 3rd general and 1 more round, if you don't have a Veteran with required skills.
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Heroic - Sector 5
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C17) 40 Cultist, 160 Dancing Dervish [wave-2 = 4.2k extra XP]
w-1 Any 50Rec (must kill 22 Cultists)
w-2 Mary 12Rec 1ES 202XBow (OK vs. 18 Cultist, 160 Dervish)
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Heroic - Sector 6
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C20) 100 Cultist, 100 Dancing Dervish [wave-2 = 2.8k extra XP]
w-1 Any 60Rec (or 40Bow) (must kill 28 Cultists)
w-2 Mary 35Rec 1ES 179XBow

C21) 80 Fanatic, 40 Shadowsneaker, 80 Fire Dancers [wave-2 = 1.7k extra XP]
w-1 MMA 1Rec
w-2 MMA 1Rec
w-3 Mary 47Rec 168Cav

(unnumbered Camp) 200 Shadowsneaker [= 1.56k extra XP]
Mary 16R 199ES
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Heroic - Sector 7
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C24) 150 Dark Priest [wave-2 = 1.25k extra XP]
w-1 MMA 1Rec + 3Bow (kills 26 DP)
w-2 Mary 2ES 213Cav (OK vs. 124 Dark Priest)

C25) - Send both generals to Leader - Retreat Mary after the fight !
- 90 Shadowsneaker, 80 Dancing Dervish [wave-2 = 2k XP]
w-1 MMA 1Rec (kills 90 Shadowsneaker + 0-1 Dervish)
w-2 Mary 2ES 110XBow (Retreat after attack!)
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Betrayed LT - 4.7k extra XP (Fast Learn-3) from 2 attacks, I'm still trying to find camps to use the new MMAs to help Mary.
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Betrayed - Sector 5
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C20) 100 Giant [= 3.4k extra XP]
Mary 20R 7Sol 1ES 187XBow
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Betrayed - Sector 6
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C26) 280 Ranger [wave-2 = up to 1.3k extra XP]
w-1 (must kill 30 Ranger)
w-2 Mary 2ES 213Cav (OK vs. 250 ranger)

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Clever LT - 2.8k extra XP (Fast Learn-3) from 2 attacks. Still working on it (as well as on SLT). You won't get much extra XP from the Bandits part (roughneck, rangers, dogs), look for it in the Wildlife sectors.
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Clever - Sector 1
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C2) 200 Ranger [1k extra XP]
Mary 1ES 179Cav
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Clever - Sector 3
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C9 (80 Boar, 60 Wolf) and C10 (90 Boar, 50 Fox) could be decent targets for Mary, but after 1-2 waves with MMAs.

Leader 3, IF you have MMA skilled like Evil_J for wave-1 (or some specific, individual concoction, like Veteran with Master Planner and Rapid Fire 2/3)

Leader 3) 80 Bear, 40 Fox, 30 Giant [wave-2 = 1.8k extra XP]
w-1: *Skilled-MMA 235Bow (kills 54 Bear + 15 Fox) (10s)
w-2: Mary 48Rec 4Sol 1ES 25Bow 137XBow (20s = total 30s)
* - necessary skills for wave-1 MMA: Master Planner, Annex-3, Rapid Fire-3, please use a simulator to be sure if your general is ok (maybe Rapid Fire-2 could work too, still with Planner).
This setup is safe for Evil's double block (C12, C13), but you MUST use Platinum Horseshoes (no need for Confident Leader).
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Sons of LT - 3.6k extra XP (Fast Learn-3) from 2 attacks. Still working on it, unfortunatelly, it doesn't look very promising. You won't get much extra XP from the Bandits part (roughneck, rangers, dogs), look for it in the Wildlife sectors. If you have many unused MMAs (or use them where not making much difference), maybe you can get something more from this adv.
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Sons of LT - Sector 1
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In the land zone on the left there's an unnumbered camp with 180 Ranger, but to get there, you first have to kill:
Camp ?) 70Roughneck 130 Rangers [= 1222 extra XP]
Mary 58Rec 1ES 118Cav 38Ka
Camp ?) 180 Ranger [= 936 extra XP]
Mary 2ES 213Cav
If your skills (especially Charge-3, I'd guess), allow for similar losses, the total XP gain [2158] is worth those Recruits.

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Sons of LT - Sector Left-1
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Leader 2) 60 Bear, 40 Fox, 30 Giant [wave-2 = 1.9k extra XP]
w-1: unskilled-MMA 205Bow (kills 36 Bear + 15 fox)
w-2: Mary 52Rec 1ES 25Bow 137XBow (OK vs. 24/25/30)
Fights: 10s + 20s = 30 seconds, while Evil's guide has 24s seconds fight (due to Confident Leader-2 both on MMA and Major), so the block may be very tight.
Simple advice is to use Tavern general (instead of BHG) as wave-1 blocker on Camp 5, but I'm not sure if you need that slow general for the stacked (5x 1R) block on Camp 8. since I don't block C8.
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Sons of LT - Sector Left-2
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Leader 3) 70 Bear, 40 Fox, 20 Giant [wave-2 = 1.7k extra XP]
w-1: unskilled-MMA 220Bow (kills 39 Bear + 15 fox)
w-2: Mary 67Rec 1ES 25Bow 122XBow (OK vs. 31/25/20)
Fights: 10s + 20s = 30 seconds, ok for the block.