View Full Version : Shiny gemstone quests, limitation does not make sense
TheVictorious
20.02.18, 11:10
A new quest buff called "Shiny gemstone" is available in the Epic category within the in-game merchant.
As this is become a new mini quest available for buy which is good movement to make a usage for beans and beans stalks, the problem that the 1 daily limitation does make sense at all:
https://i.imgur.com/yfVpBFV.png
Why? because you already getting limitations from quests, you have to wait production to finish, you need to train troops, you need to wait 25 baskets to finish, so the quest already limited.
http://settlersonlinewiki.eu/en/quests/a-new-gemstone-shiny-gemstone/
I know maybe some think about power leveling but it is not, low levels can barely do 1 quest daily, I doubt about that, and only solution to boost it a little is using gems, which is something BB would like to see, and for high level people, 53K exp is really silly, so even if they do 10 daily (which is still almost impossible to do anyway, or you could do that for 1 day or 2 only), it is 530K and still almost like doing 2 woodcutter with exp boosts and prem.
so, why is this? really 1 shiny gemstone daily does not make any sense, and I don't think it would break crystals balance or even effect it, you get 6 shards daily, and you need 10 for making 1 crystal, so you getting like 4.2 crystals for the week, or 18.25 for 1 month, while your randomness of daily tasks give you more chance than this.
Maybe it will make sense if you make it like 2 hours or a few hours as a cool down time.
BoddingtonUK
20.02.18, 11:23
Fully agree - whilst I am delighted that a new feature has been introduced, it is a shame that there are limitations.
With the cost of buying the quest for beanstalks, it would be nice to have more shards as a reward.
Mannerheim
20.02.18, 11:36
Why did not you leave the feedback when it was asked for? too late now.
Anyways there is a long thread about the quest at test with BB replies. In short, this is not the only source for shards. Also you will never get crystals or crystal shards from anything that you could complete without a limitations because crystals = gems.
Why did not you leave the feedback when it was asked for? too late now.
It's never too late for feedback! While yes the feature is now live, we'll never turn down constructive criticism from our players. I've moved this to the Suggestion section; let's see where this discussion goes!
TheVictorious
20.02.18, 11:42
Why did not you leave the feedback when it was asked for? too late now.
Anyways there is a long thread about the quest at test with BB replies. In short, this is not the only source for shards. Also you will never get crystals or crystal shards from anything that you could complete without a limitations because crystals = gems.
Because I barely login to game, and if it is too late, why do we have discussion, bugs and issues and suggestion forums?
And as I said, crystal here is not really an issue, you have random chances to get more crystals with ""unfair"" way to get them, as for example, lucky people and premium people always get tons more than normal players (BTW I'm premium), it is just does not make sense.
Now the mini quest has gone live I have a few points to make. Firstly, thankyou for bringing in something new. Now, I think the cooldown time is a lot, however this mini quest is not something that can be done in 2 minutes like weddings or pandas but a few can be done a day. Either lower the cooldown time or bring out more mini quests that can be bought from the merchant for different resources and for different levels or put this new mini into the rewards from adventures as well as from the merchant. Also would it be a good idea to introduce shards as rewards in the other mini quests. As 4.2 crystals a week is a little low.
If we could have some of the above I think we are on to a winner :) I believe that this new mini quest is just a taste of what can be done.
Mannerheim
20.02.18, 12:40
The current shard limit is based on a bigger picture. The gemstone is not the only source for the shards in the future. At the same time it is also one of the easiest ones to complete and rewards are good compared to the level you are able to buy it. The quest was a lot more worse originally but BB actually listened and I think we got a decent compromise on the final version
The test forum thread with BB replies is here: https://forum.tsotesting.com/threads/22754-Feedback-New-mini-quest-for-crystal-shards
Mannerheim
20.02.18, 12:47
Also at least with higher level its possible to complete 4-8 of these a day with "ease" so the cooldown is not going a way and probably not even reduced. You could buy several of them in reserve and apply bests buffs to required buildings and complete them in chain.
TheVictorious
20.02.18, 14:08
Also at least with higher level its possible to complete 4-8 of these a day with "ease" so the cooldown is not going a way and probably not even reduced. You could buy several of them in reserve and apply bests buffs to required buildings and complete them in chain.
Making baskets taking like 2 hours, produce water maybe easy but still need time, 200R is time consuming, you may say you use buffs, but you can't use expensive buffs for 50K exp all the day! so this is why I said high level might be able to do 10 for 1 day then what? as feedback in general chat it is waste of time actually, personally I will just make it as side quest I do when I do.
Mannerheim
20.02.18, 14:40
Making baskets taking like 2 hours, produce water maybe easy but still need time, 200R is time consuming, you may say you use buffs, but you can't use expensive buffs for 50K exp all the day! so this is why I said high level might be able to do 10 for 1 day then what? as feedback in general chat it is waste of time actually, personally I will just make it as side quest I do when I do.
You can drop a barazek and activate upcoming spring park buff to make the baskets in around 30 minutes, water is like less than 10-15 minutes with an Epic farm and all the watermills buffed, 200R is only 50 minutes with the buff you get from the quest or alternatively 20 minutes with a skunk and recruitment guide or even less with myers. With a good timing by starting the basket production early you could complete one in less than an hour, easily go beyond the 10 count per day you mentioned being nearly impossible.
Also the buffs last over several quests as you can do them in a chain. They buffs are not that expensive and you can take advantage of them by produce something else while waiting the other tasks. High level people could grind shards and xp with little to none effort without effective cooldown.
SSSecretSquirrel
20.02.18, 15:09
Thats the problem with this - trying to balance for different levels. At lvl 47 with intentionally underdeveloped island its probably gonna take me longer than the cooldown to finish. Will take about 3 days if I continue the casual play-style of logging in 1, maybe 2 times a day for 5-15 min.
LordofEverything
20.02.18, 15:26
i didn't realise what a waste of time this is ....
LordofEverything
20.02.18, 17:34
So many ways to improve the game, bring in new gameplay, etc .... this isn't one of them ....
As far as the cool down I'm apathetic. There is an assortment of things that have cool downs and I take them in stride and just plan for them if/when necessary. I don't have a problem with 24 hour cool downs anyway - it's a long term game.
Now that I've played through it I found it quite simple to finish the quest in a matter of hours without using many buffs to speed things up. So I can see why the daily limit - to avoid a build up of crystals. I would estimate I could do 4 quests in a day if I pushed the buildings more.
I still stand by what I said that the cool down doesn't bother me either way. I'll play the quest on occasion anyway but not necessarily each time it becomes available. I did like it and I'm glad they added it to the game.
rathbone93
21.02.18, 04:48
well, some of the intermediate rewards are just fine, always enjoy getting a few coins, drill plan, and a rabbit - and 45k xp (if I counted correctly).
As far as the cool down I'm apathetic. There is an assortment of things that have cool downs and I take them in stride and just plan for them if/when necessary. I don't have a problem with 24 hour cool downs anyway - it's a long term game.
Totally agree. The cool down for ROA for example, half the time i forget anyway :)
In the short term you might want to run more / faster. But just like every resource in the game, over the weeks and months, you will have many. (its not the only source remember). So I will run it once in a while (if i remember), without wasting buffs and see if after a month i have a useful amount or not.
seems to me no matter what bb do some ppl always want more!
I have a new daily quest to complete and altho 6 shards isnt a gr8 reward it does bring a small increase to crystals. I really don't see any problem. if you don't like the quest don't buy the gemstone.
SSSecretSquirrel
21.02.18, 14:54
its probably gonna take me longer than the cooldown to finish.
Its official - didnt make it in 23h. Quadrupled the water prod. If no sleep or quadruple brew also can make under 23h. But cant be bothered.
This quest is great. More xp than I hoped for, cheap to run and make something, use the same something system as players wanted. Shards on top as a bonus. Quick implementation from test to live specially considering changes. Exactly as advertised.
Its official - didnt make it in 23h. Quadrupled the water prod. If no sleep or quadruple brew also can make under 23h. But cant be bothered.
While your commitment is impressive, we would heavily advise not forgoing sleep in order to speed up a quest. Afterall - sleep is like, the best thing ever! :P
For me the limitations does not really matter. Dont think I am going to bother anyway a week from now.
On test the price of the gemstone was 1 fish. If that was the case here the limitation would be fine. Now at that price I guess I will be bored with it in a week or 2.
I was told on test that the level this was aimed for was 46- 55. That makes sense when it comes to the output of the quest and the difficulty of the quests, but the price does not. I did not have 560 stalks to spent at that level.
Nice to have something new happening, but I think this is pretty lame. At this steep price the limitation does not really matter - dont think many are prepared to spend 560 stallks to make 0.6 crystal, so 944 stalks to make just one crystal. Have not counted what else you need to spend but the output besides half a crystal is some buffs some at around level 46-50 might need and a little exp.
If they had introduced this before general skills it would have made sense. Now however I feel your better of using your star coins to buy a 1 day prem and using it the day before the 7 day log in reward to get more crystals than you can make from this quest.
Mannerheim
21.02.18, 18:19
If they had introduced this before general skills it would have made sense. Now however I feel your better of using your star coins to buy a 1 day prem and using it the day before the 7 day log in reward to get more crystals than you can make from this quest.
How do those relate exactly? 1d prem is with a week time lock and costs star coins. The gemstone quest costs stalks and can be bought daily. There are plenty of people with tens or even hundreds of thousands of beans as all 3 major campaigns drop too many of them in loot.
dont think many are prepared to spend 560 stallks to make 0.6 crystal, so 944 stalks to make just one crystal.
or to spend something like 60k beanstalks for the crystal equivalent of 1 letter.
or something around 200-300k beanstalks for a single starting aventure of the campaign thats about to come.
A crystal is a crystal, but its worth noting how little a single one is actually worth.
sparkz... You underestimate how many beans many players have nowdays :)
I'm one that is happy to have a stalk sink for a change... it's not the best, but you should have seen the first version of it that was tested... that one would have caused riots... :)
Besides it's 50k exp so not the biggest of deals if you don't do it. There are already more ways to get cristals on test so i'm sure BB does not want to overflow the cristal gathering too much already.
beanstalks can be a prob the get for a lot of players. especially in the lvl range this quest is aimed at. its hard enough to get the beans to make the beanstalks to buy the deeds for each sector on the southern isle let alone all the other things to buy with beans and beanstalks that r far more important than using them to buy this new gem. maybe later once i dont need beans or beanstalks anymore it might be useful to use them to buy the quest. but cant see me wasting precois beanstalks for a while.
already having to do VLT between 10 and 15 times just to get enough beans to make enough beanstalks to buy 1 sector deed. would be more than double that if it wasnt for my lucky explorers keep finding stadium snacks to use on the fairytale castle to increase the beanstalks beans make. But even then VLT takes about 3 days to do justto get 800 beans and as i need 8500 beanstalks for each sector thats a lot of beans to find just for that. let alone needing the major which costs beans and all other other items needing beans or beanstalks like magnificant residence so u have enough pops to do the addies in the 1st place.
So think ill give it a miss til i can start doing the alli baba addy to get more beans..
Think the only players that can afford the beanstalks r players over lvl 60.
sparkz... You underestimate how many beans many players have nowdays :)
I got something around 600k beans myself since December, trust me I know ;)
The aim was more to point out how ridiculous the number inflation starts getting..
beanstalks can be a prob the get for a lot of players. especially in the lvl range this quest is aimed at. its hard enough to get the beans to make the beanstalks to buy the deeds for each sector on the southern isle let alone all the other things to buy with beans and beanstalks that r far more important than using them to buy this new gem. maybe later once i dont need beans or beanstalks anymore it might be useful to use them to buy the quest. but cant see me wasting precois beanstalks for a while.
already having to do VLT between 10 and 15 times just to get enough beans to make enough beanstalks to buy 1 sector deed. would be more than double that if it wasnt for my lucky explorers keep finding stadium snacks to use on the fairytale castle to increase the beanstalks beans make. But even then VLT takes about 3 days to do justto get 800 beans and as i need 8500 beanstalks for each sector thats a lot of beans to find just for that. let alone needing the major which costs beans and all other other items needing beans or beanstalks like magnificant residence so u have enough pops to do the addies in the 1st place.
So think ill give it a miss til i can start doing the alli baba addy to get more beans..
Think the only players that can afford the beanstalks r players over lvl 60.
That is exactly my point.. For level above 60 this is a walk in the park- simply boring, and even though they can afford it - the reward is hardly worth the trouble. I was told in discussion on test that it was not aimed for the above 60 - but then the quest miss its target as the level 46- 55 cant afford it.
Mannerheim
22.02.18, 19:39
That is exactly my point.. For level above 60 this is a walk in the park- simply boring, and even though they can afford it - the reward is hardly worth the trouble. I was told in discussion on test that it was not aimed for the above 60 - but then the quest miss its target as the level 46- 55 cant afford it.
Well if you read the test you also saw BB saying that its just additional content and no one is forced to buy it. The choice is players. Some people for example don't like to do adventures but they like to trade and buy lootspots. The quest itself does not even require that much effort, just time and the initial cost.
EdaImesEtti
22.02.18, 23:21
beanstalks can be a prob the get for a lot of players. especially in the lvl range this quest is aimed at. its hard enough to get the beans to make the beanstalks to buy the deeds for each sector on the southern isle let alone all the other things to buy with beans and beanstalks that r far more important than using them to buy this new gem. maybe later once i dont need beans or beanstalks anymore it might be useful to use them to buy the quest. but cant see me wasting precois beanstalks for a while.
already having to do VLT between 10 and 15 times just to get enough beans to make enough beanstalks to buy 1 sector deed. would be more than double that if it wasnt for my lucky explorers keep finding stadium snacks to use on the fairytale castle to increase the beanstalks beans make. But even then VLT takes about 3 days to do justto get 800 beans and as i need 8500 beanstalks for each sector thats a lot of beans to find just for that. let alone needing the major which costs beans and all other other items needing beans or beanstalks like magnificant residence so u have enough pops to do the addies in the 1st place.
So think ill give it a miss til i can start doing the alli baba addy to get more beans..
Think the only players that can afford the beanstalks r players over lvl 60.
Sounds like you are letting all your spots go to waste. Try selling them, 10k per adv buys a lot of beans..
I dont understand how anyone actively adventuring cannot afford this quest.
Well if you read the test you also saw BB saying that its just additional content and no one is forced to buy it. The choice is players. Some people for example don't like to do adventures but they like to trade and buy lootspots. The quest itself does not even require that much effort, just time and the initial cost.
Yes - it is super expensive for those who might find an improved drill plan and a dama hammer intersting. For me the only remotely interesting reward is the drill plan- I am sure I can get that and more in TO for 560 stalks. Yes no one force anyone to do it. But why make a quest that is too expensive for those who would want to do it - and too easy and too stingy in with the rewards for those who can afford it.
make the quests tradable, and the market will tell us if it has value ;)
You don't like the 50.6k exp, then?
Forget the buffs and shards.
Beans are worth about 1:1 with gc now. Even buffed with a basket or other cheap 2x buff 560 stalks costs about 1350 gc to make.
The quest gives you back 200gc and gives you 50.6k exp. That's quite cheap experience, just over 50k exp for a net 1150gc. Nothing to moan about here.
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