View Full Version : The straw that broke the camels back – The reason why I have decided to stop playing
BoddingtonUK
21.11.18, 19:40
Having explained my reasons to our guild, they have persuaded me to create a post in the forum, not for me to vent my frustrations, nor to dissuade other players, but purely for the developers and game designers to understand the sentiment of many of the players.
Several players have whispered me recently with their desire to quit the game and I have tried to convince them to remain, however I myself have reached my breaking point with the introduction of the new Weekly Challenge.
For me, the beginning of the end started with the introduction of the new islands. This was such a welcome relief as having spent 2.5 years evolving my island, I had finally run out of space after finally achieving my aim of having positive production of every item possible in the game. However the new islands were only available for gems which I felt was an ill-advised decision. It was the start of the feeling that the developers are now only looking to see how much money they can squeeze out of loyal players.
The introduction of the MCC campaign was also greatly welcomed, and had that been the only new development that looked to drain you of resources, then it was manageable.
Recently though, the anniversary event was introduced, with the sole purpose of getting players to donate resources, with those who did not have enough having the option to buy more balloons for gems or cash in order to get the new buildings being offered.
The Halloween event followed, with several new items that required pumpkins to buy. The amount of pumpkins required this year was almost double the pumpkins required last year, though players could buy more for gems or cash.
The upcoming Christmas event is also doubling the amount of presents required with the new Christmas Market and all of the upgrades without any extra way of obtaining the presents. However, of course we can all get extra presents using gems or real cash.
The problem I have had recently is that I have had to start demolishing several of my level 6 buildings to make way for the new buildings (I had already replaced all regular buildings with improved buildings), which has had an adverse effect on my production. This in itself would not be a game changer as part of the skill is balancing available space to maximise the game style that you play.
However the new Weekly Challenges appear to be designed to simply strip you of further resources needlessly. Again this is a choice that I chose not to participate in, once it was apparent that I had to complete up to 3 Adventures/Scenarios that either I don’t have and am unable to get without luck with loot drops, or no desire to do. Though having to needlessly sacrifice large amounts of resources and troops meant that I don’t believe anyone will be doing these challenges after a couple of weeks.
I have really enjoyed doing the MCC adventures and have completed 15 chains, however the problem I now have is that there is no point in doing any more. The Epic Forge uses up so much Coal, that the 315,000 I produce daily is not enough. I have 6 industrial Coal mines along with numerous recyclers and coking plants, all constantly buffed along with permanent mining guides. There is no more space to build any further coal production buildings without decimating my other production chains further, so there is no reward for completing the campaign as the upgrades will put my coal production under more strain.
BlueByte have chosen to go down the route that every new feature introduced requires huge sacrifice or resources to complete them. Since the only way to expand the islands area is through gems or cash, I feel I am at an impasse.
My production has been reduced due to the fact I have had to demolish buildings as I have run out of space. I don’t feel I am able to change the way I have evolved in playing after 2.5 years of careful planning and hard work and clearly the game is heading in a direction that will require more and more resources being sacrificed or real money being spent.
I fully understand that all of these are optional and I do not have to do them if I don’t want to. My problem is that if I choose not to do the Weekly Challenges because the resource sacrifice is ridiculous and the adventures which have to be done are unobtainable and unsuited to how I wish to play, and I have no motivation to do any more MCC chains as it is not possible for me to be able to produce any more coal, then what is my motivation to keep playing.
It takes hours each day to keep my production going with constant refilling of mines that are now not adequate to provide the production levels required. The fun has vanished from the game and everything now feels like a chore just to stand still, not to mention the difficulty with constant freezing and bugs.
New features are putting a larger strain on production, resources and time, with little or no sign that the game is going to evolve in a way that takes the clients playing styles into consideration.
I fully understand that this is my choice and my decision, but having spoken to many players before they quit, and many others that are planning to quit, I feel that the developers need to understand that a lot of loyal regular players feel that they are not taken into consideration when the game is evolving down the route where if you don’t pay to keep up then you are just remaining stagnant.
I have made genuine friends through playing and it will be keeping in touch with them outside the game. I have put my whole island to sleep and should the game return to its old values, myself and other players leaving after many years, may well return.
I wish everyone all the best in this game and will never forget the enjoyment and friendships that I have been lucky enough to experience.
Cheers
Bodds
lordloocan
21.11.18, 21:10
Very sorry to see you go Bodds, I suspect others will be following soon. Pop back and let us all know if you find another game where the players are more appreciated.
Doubtless there will be others adding the usual platitudes about no-one forcing you to do the quests etc but the nature of those who are gamers is that if it is there it has to be done. Luckily I am not that way inclined and will just ignore anything that attempts to get me to play in a different way to my norm.
sorry to see another veteran player go, I felt the same about many of the things posted here and just stopped bothering to refill mines, send out geologists, explorers, even doing adventures.
The end-game after level 50 was just max out the island and make money, then the beanstalk update meant there was more to play for, but eventually the same problem - filling the storage with beans.
the level 75 update wasn't planned with progress in mind, just a target and no unlocks or new troops to play for after level 57.
Events became more expensive and less rewarding.
Lots of things have been nerfed or increased in cost or removed from the merchant. People are being forced to play differently.
bye, thanks for the trades and ls :)
I only know one game famous for being "gamers oriented". They tried this "greedy" approach but player response was so devastating that they quickly returned to their famous "player oriented". All (the few) other (good) games I've played evolved similar way like this one. From humble start through decent player oriented development to what seemed meaningless money grab pushing players over the edge. End of life "money-squeeze"? Possibly. Never seen a game that lasts forever (although I'd like this one to break the rule), never seen a "true" gamer overly happy after they basically "accomplished" the fundamental game goals. Despite the above, I do resonate with a lot of what Boddington said especially with the notion of nearly every new development revolving around resource sink to the point of becoming absurd. It just doesn't hit me that hard.
1: listen to the players suggestions
2: be sure that u can do better
3: break the game
Well said bodd.
It feels like the game is breaking. In every Chat there is talking about this.
This Game is full of bugs like the Chat, the freezes, buffing i mean even the gem shop is bugged. Rather than optimizing, working on a html5 and mobile version as this is where the modern technic and customers (players) are today, listen to players, make the game playable and fun it looks like the settlersonline crew is just looking for ways to squeeze Money from the Players, as much as it works. But it also feels like the toothpick is about to break.
The Game itself could easily keep up with other f2p games in this category or be even one of the best, but right now its not going this way.
Well said Bodd. And well said Norton too - 'end of life money squeeze' - very possibly.
I'm L55 currently and feeling little incentive to progress much further.
Genuine question - what other free to play games are there similar to this (non pvp)?
Sad to say i experience the same, but with all the new stuff, i simply have pushed my self to play more, even the enjoyment is 100% gone.
Understand your frustration but you could trade coal in? One of the key points of the game for me is like any economy, you can focus on over production of certain elements to then trade for those resources you are short of? Like you i've done about 15 MCC chains, am running plat creation in the epic forge and have a coal defeict of 100k a day so i take the view, i will never balance coal. I guess if that is not your playing style or desire then fair enough , fully respect your decision
As for the weekly training, did one, wont ever do another one - utterly pointless
Veteran players often tend not to buy gems anymore as gem pits kick in/pay up enough to not need to buy anymore. This is just BB's way of getting those players buying again, cant begrudge them that.
Sorry to see you go Bodders, afraid you wont be the last this week :(
As I have written too many times over the last 12 to 18 months the game has been losing its way with increasing event rewards, buildings that dont fit the settlers genre, quests that make no sense, quests that are impossible for the level they are aimed at.........
Will BB listen to the latest outrage or is the reality that BB are dragging the last pennies, cents or whatever from their Customers before pulling the plug
If there is any BB employee reading this then please start listening to the players (of all levels and playing styles) and you will still find ways to keep the money rolling in and getting new players on board. Let us have the basics sorted, bugs removed and fun replaced before we continue introducing even more new buildings costing too much, new islands that are not worth what has to be paid, quests that impossible to achieve at the level they are placed at, cost increases in game without warning.......
Good business is made on good foundation and good customer relations, BB please note you are destroying both.
I am a Settlers junky but now find myself looking for a new game and should a AoE or such come on line with the game play this game used to offer then maybe my dedication and purse strings can be pulled away too.
Just in case others are not aware the same bad feelings about the game are also seen on the German Server forums and if this doesn't wake them up in Dusseldorf then yes the writing is on the wall. That said I am off to play......oh I cant there is a hotfix going on :)
I must admit that the recent changes if anything have had the opposite effect that BB may have wanted. The acts of trying to force people to use Gems simply makes me more determined not to purchase them. I have enjoyed playing the game for years and although I probably will continue but that engagement may reduce. The enjoyment is simply not there and everything seems to push more to Gem purchases and not actually fixing core issues with the game.
The default mode is new feature \ event etc followed by additional a maintenance slot to fix the things the new features break. Flood your island with lots of buildings where 1 would work and upgrade it all to push for a need for more space and the cost to buy more land with gems. All in all, it leaves a bitter taste to getting something new and more and more players will go. I too keep an eye out for something new that may take my time from here.
All that said BB need to make cash to keep the game going but there is a fine line between making cash and your customer base feeling ripped off.
Just on the emotional side, all this mess, lack of thinking on developers side, justified negative reactions of players etc. makes me feel like the game is likely to collapse and close down shortly cause it all suggests that the developers are desperate and have no clue what they are doing. Which makes me even less interested in putting any effort or money into the game. Even though I see some structure behind the development, their lack of quality put into the game negates the positives aspects I could see. Make me want to say "I see where you're going, but please, BB, get some managers/developers who can do the job, not these half-educated game spoilers". :) Anyway, not leaving yet. Will see where this all goes. :) I think I've learned from previous involvements that at the end of the day BB will do whatever they want anyway. :)
The Epic Forge uses up so much Coal
I do find myself wondering why you need coal when the Epic Forge is built on a volcano, one would expect the constant supply of natural heat would negate the need for coal.......
Brotherjon
22.11.18, 15:27
I do find myself wondering why you need coal when the Epic Forge is built on a volcano, one would expect the constant supply of natural heat would negate the need for coal.......
Huh, yeah never really thought about it but very good point!
Aww Bod babes, you're leaving me... :(
I know what you mean about the cost of such... been stuck on L59 for so long. Not enough time in my day to be on it all the time. For me right now is the cost of ls and other things (island purchase)... seems people only out for themselves and make some money. BB pushing the gem market, I have another 145 days on premium and after that I think I will also be looking for something new. You have my email babes keep in touch.
And give that fur-ball puppy a squeeze!
Chelsea xxx
settler2015
24.11.18, 14:01
you spot on pal bb and ruining the game now
I do find myself wondering why you need coal when the Epic Forge is built on a volcano, one would expect the constant supply of natural heat would negate the need for coal.......
As someone pointed out to me: steel is a mixture of carbon and iron. The coal is not used for heat (alone). That said, I have no idea about the other metals.
Good luck Bodds, really sad to see you go but can't argue with any reason you gave, they're all valid.
In a race myself now, will RL force me out before I choose the same path as you.
luckydiddy
25.11.18, 09:03
totally agree with everything that has been said here ... and am for the first time feeling totally disillusioned with the game myself....
Think the final straw for me was following the latest patch completely breaking the game .... the 100% gem day .. just screaming out .. all we care about is getting your money.
yeah, the game just turned away from what it used to be, I'm not gonna extend my premium this time. Been running prem since I started playing 2016.
The event's is also messed up, now it's a grinding chore one player event and trade. The halloween event in 2016 and 2017 wast very fun and busy, now not so much.
For a long time people was complaining that nothing new was added to game - and they therefore planned to quit - now there is lots of new stuff that you can choose to do or ignore - and people complain over to much new stuff and say that makes them quit.
Some say they wanted new stuff- but not what BB offered - should have been something else. Game has thousands of players - everyone can not expect to get exactly what she/he ask for.
Some say they want something like old settlers - well you can have that - play for a week or two - delete account and start over.
Some say to much to buy in merchant at events - I agree - for low level players - but if you have played several years I dont think you need much from shop - at halloween I bought new general ( not sure it was a good idea ) and 1 haunted mansion ( did not need it - but wanted one on my island ) beside that the pumpkins I had was donated to low level guildies. Same procedure for x-mas - 3 or 4 items I dont have but want - rest is surplus.
I is impossible to please everyone - gamedesigner and developer has to choose what can be done and what not - game is getting old and old programs tend to become hard to maintain without creating bugs.
You cant expect every bug to be fixed same day you report them - and on the other hand complain over badly tested hotfixes and to many hotfixes.
To those who quit : How many other games have you played - every single day - several years. I played several other games - but never daily for a year or more. Maybe not the game that changed much - but you ? ( if you start on a new server not much has changed in the last 4 years untill you get to level 50 )
BoddingtonUK
25.11.18, 11:53
For a long time people was complaining that nothing new was added to game - and they therefore planned to quit - now there is lots of new stuff that you can choose to do or ignore - and people complain over to much new stuff and say that makes them quit.
Some say they wanted new stuff- but not what BB offered - should have been something else. Game has thousands of players - everyone can not expect to get exactly what she/he ask for.
Some say they want something like old settlers - well you can have that - play for a week or two - delete account and start over.
Some say to much to buy in merchant at events - I agree - for low level players - but if you have played several years I dont think you need much from shop - at halloween I bought new general ( not sure it was a good idea ) and 1 haunted mansion ( did not need it - but wanted one on my island ) beside that the pumpkins I had was donated to low level guildies. Same procedure for x-mas - 3 or 4 items I dont have but want - rest is surplus.
I is impossible to please everyone - gamedesigner and developer has to choose what can be done and what not - game is getting old and old programs tend to become hard to maintain without creating bugs.
You cant expect every bug to be fixed same day you report them - and on the other hand complain over badly tested hotfixes and to many hotfixes.
To those who quit : How many other games have you played - every single day - several years. I played several other games - but never daily for a year or more. Maybe not the game that changed much - but you ? ( if you start on a new server not much has changed in the last 4 years untill you get to level 50 )
I have played this game daily for 2.5 years. It was an enjoyable, social aspect of my everyday life, one which I enjoyed immensely.
I felt it was important to let the developers know why this was no longer the case.
The fact that there have been new features have been welcomed. However the new features recently appear to be primarily to strip players of resources, or to get them to spend more money.
In itself, the new features would be fine, except they are not conducent to the limited space available.
Players are now having to demolish production chains in order to build all of the new buildings, due to the space limitations. This is at a time where game features are requiring inordinate amounts of resources to be sacrificed. The option is to either spend money to buy gems for the new islands or to not partake in the new features.
Likewise with the events – double the pumpkins/presents are required to get the full benefit of the new buildings/items, without any additional means to get them, except to buy more gems.
Everything that has been brought out recently, from the introduction of new islands, Anniversary Event (how many resources can you sacrifice), MCC campaign (Clearing out years of resources whilst getting an Epic Forge that requires more coal than can be produced on the islands limited space), Halloween event requiring twice as many pumpkins to be bought, the Weekly Challenges (lets strip what resources they have left and doing adventures that players either don’t have or don’t want to do) and the upcoming Christmas Event that again requires twice as many presents to get the full benefit of the new buildings being brought out.
All of these new events and features require more space on the islands where established production buildings are already being demolished to make room for the new buildings. The buildings being demolished are crippling the production chains at a time when all new features are requiring inordinate amount of resources to be sacrificed.
The reason I left was due to the realisation that everything being brought out was detriment to the settlers ethos of developing your islands and was continually of the belief that it will get players to pay more money to either buy gems for more island space, gems for more pumpkins/presents, gems to buy more of the new buildings etc
The new features are not in balance with the previous game ethos of spending years developing and utilising island space to its maximum. Now the game has evolved to – we will throw new features at you that will require you to spend money as you are not able to do them without more island space or buying better buildings to increase production, as we will drain your resources.
Of course we don’t have to any of these new features, which brings me back to why I chose to leave. If I am unable to do the new content, then all I am doing is spending 4 hours a day refilling mines to keep my island (that I have spent years carefully evolving), standing still, which is not fun any more.
The whole situation could have been avoided, had they introduced more islands that could have been purchased with in game content such as beanstalks/gold coins/guild coins etc – however they chose an avenue which required gems to be bought and every event and feature since has been with getting players to spend more money. They could have introduced a second island where we could have built trade routes between the two, this would have made a lot more sense as the game is growing, so should our utilisable space.
There is not enough space in the game to satisfy the new features and the game developers are concentrating on milking the players dry in order to keep up.
Like I said, it was the straw that broke the camels back for me as I did not like the direction the game was heading without any indication they were taking existing players consideration and feedback into account.
Still wishing all the players the absolute best in this game.
Bodds
TheVictorious
25.11.18, 19:25
Usually, I don't read long posts, but I read it all! well said.
Brotherjon
25.11.18, 22:00
Some good points made and I would agree that in general, the game does seem to have a different ‘mission statement’ to what we had 2-3 years ago... There have been some excellent additions to the game but the latest ideas don’t seem to be very well thought out and executed. The mail box upgrade that deleted old emails, the bugs in mcc, the weekly challenge to name a few. But for me the main worry is the diminishing interest in the game by developers, that’s what it seems but hopefully I’m wrong. We used to have random gems prizes for community contributions, reports from stands at annual games conventions, q and a sessions, photos of a cosy but thriving bb office. In my head now I just imagine just one or two people keeping it going in a dimly lot office somewhere. Then there is the whole flash thing too. I do love this game and hope it continues, but I’m already planning on a sabbatical of my own from the game and putting my island on minimum maintenance mode.
LordCerveau
26.11.18, 12:50
To the OP Id like to talk about one point you make in your well made post.
Its the Events and the amount of event currency needed to buy the items, be it presents or pumpkins etc.
There is an explanation for this, that is BB have stopped doing RNG Loot boxes in the events well for easter and halloween (dunno yet about xmas)
So instead of having items HIDDEN behind RNG Gambling loot boxes, they now list all of them for you to buy with event currency directly,
so no more gambling on the chance you get the thing you want, you can just buy that item direct.
This means that there are a lot more items on offer so it appears that you HAVE to collect enough currency to buy them all.
But you dont buy them all of course, you have to choose which ones are most important to you.
All that is happening is BB is giving you CHOICE on which items to buy instead gambling on RNG loot boxes,
you cant get them all as I said it takes to much currency.
This is a good move, instead of spending Gems to gamble on the chance you get the item you want, they now list all of them for you to buy directly.
I know its only a small point in your post and the rest of it I feel your pain.
<removed> Nobody force you to play, good luck!
alakama789
26.11.18, 16:23
Why would anyone want to produce everything ???
Why would anyone want to run the Epic Forge permenently??? (and thus need that much coal)
If we had a huge island, as you seem to want, then anyone could just mechanically place all the buildings, produce everything and in huge quantities, BUT that wouldnt really require big effort(or skills), right?
The point of the game is, i think, to succeed within the limitations we have, no?
BoddingtonUK
27.11.18, 15:09
It is great to see the last few posts missing my point.
It isn’t that I necessarily want larger space, it is that the game has evolved so that all the work done to maximise space is now redundant.
To be able to add new buildings we are having to demolish our infrastructure.
The new features do not take the historic balance of the game and are now all about draining you of resources, or getting players to pay money to keep up.
They shouldn’t be bringing in all new features that the islands are not big enough to sustain.
They have clearly gone down this route to make those players who want to do these features, have to buy the new islands.
Everything now is about sacrificing resources or not being able to get enough event items to buy what they want.
I was simply saying that given the route the developers have chosen to go down, it seems a little bit of a coincidence that it happened after they introduced more space that is only available for gems.
I am aware of many players who are now paying money in events to buy gems in order to buy pumpkins/presents from the merchant as they know that in order to get everything they want isn’t possible now the pumpkins/present requirements are doubled, yet the in game ability to get them remains the same.
Like I said before, I don’t have to do these new features, but for me if I don’t then there is little left in the game but daily chores.
This is no longer my game, I have left – I was making the suggestions in the hope that developers would understand how their new model is driving players away. (Incidentally I have never known so many players leave a game that is a part of their everyday life as this game at this moment in time.)
My point in this post is as a parting farewell, that developers listen to feedback so that the game does not continue in the same direction, for all the loyal friends I have still playing the game.
Nice to see you back - what changed your mind?
BoddingtonUK
10.12.18, 18:02
I am just trading over the event to get the market and to help guildies - i am not doing adv and my production is still on hold.
I am hoping in the future the game changes from all about getting players to buy gems and i would be happy to play again if it becomes fun again.
I have really enjoyed my free time from spending hours doing daily buffing and chores and have decided not to play another game.
I feel like its always been like this. I've spent in the past, and regretted it because of the huge cost.
I'm normally happy to support the game I play but premium feels worthless as I got bored of grinding the same adventures over and over, and buying items for gems is prohibitively expensive - for the price of an Endless Copper Mine, I can go and buy a copy of Assassin's Creed Odyssey Deluxe Edition! The maths just doesn't add up for me, so my cash goes elsewhere.
lordloocan1
12.12.18, 22:39
Why would anyone want to produce everything ???
Why would anyone want to run the Epic Forge permenently??? (and thus need that much coal)
If we had a huge island, as you seem to want, then anyone could just mechanically place all the buildings, produce everything and in huge quantities, BUT that wouldnt really require big effort(or skills), right?
The point of the game is, i think, to succeed within the limitations we have, no?
I produce everything and in excess. It is all about sorting the game economy efficiently. I make enough excess to sell tons in events for event items. Confuses me how people cannot all do it.
As to why, it means I am not reliant on trade for any item. And can gain from those with focussed economies who need to buy my water, coal, meat etc, oh and now fish - loving the new buff some are making, price of fish has rocketed.
Brotherjon
13.12.18, 22:18
There is no right or wrong way to play the game, it’s down to your own interpretation of how to play. Some enjoy making a balanced economy that works without needing to import goods to keep it going, while others at the other end of the spectrum do lots of adventures, sell the loot and buy everything they need from trade. Personally, I buy in coal and some other low cost goods, but also supliment with my own production of these low cost items. Yes, fish and coal price has risen lately, but I would argue you can make much more money from making intermediate or final goods, even with buying in the coal and fish in the first place.
cheethamhill
20.12.18, 21:50
Its weird how you say you don't play and are just helping friends with event stuff but have bought the gift christmas tree ,imp floaters and cyclers and also cleared a spot for the market lol
BoddingtonUK
21.12.18, 14:36
Its weird how you say you don't play and are just helping friends with event stuff but have bought the gift christmas tree ,imp floaters and cyclers and also cleared a spot for the market lol
I had cleared the area for the market before i quit, and mentioned in an earlier post i was trading to get the market and event items during the event in case i ever return to the game.
I am not doing adv and my production is still on hold.
My guildies are my friends in real life too and I dont see anything wrong with spending 10 minutes (twice a day) putting barazek buffs on for them and trading to build up excess presents to help them out now i have bought everything - so far i have accumulated 5k presents to help guildies get what they want and plant to get plenty more.
I will be leaving the game after the event again, i hope that is OK by you.
All the best
Bodds
Apparently camel can survive a long time with broken back. :)
cheethamhill
23.12.18, 04:33
humm OK lol, so basically you spend 20 mins a day playing and have a Christmas Market at level 4,3 imp floaters,gift christmas tree,2 cyclers and gingerbread stores and also gave away 5k presents? on a quick count thats 24k presents..ish,with still 8 days to go!!!!you said in the original post that they have made its so hard to accumulate the present/event res to get without gems? If you're doing it for 20 mins aday I don't see how you can make that comment...imagine what you'd have if you spent 2hrs aday..
prnt.sc/lyirnd oh ps,that production of the christmas market is running,thought you want to know since you don't want production running.
Last thing,put the odd paragraph between that whole wall of text make it easier to read
All the best
BoddingtonUK
23.12.18, 07:35
humm OK lol, so basically you spend 20 mins a day playing and have a Christmas Market at level 4,3 imp floaters,gift christmas tree,2 cyclers and gingerbread stores and also gave away 5k presents? on a quick count thats 24k presents..ish,with still 8 days to go!!!!you said in the original post that they have made its so hard to accumulate the present/event res to get without gems? If you're doing it for 20 mins aday I don't see how you can make that comment...imagine what you'd have if you spent 2hrs aday..
prnt.sc/lyirnd oh ps,that production of the christmas market is running,thought you want to know since you don't want production running.
Last thing,put the odd paragraph between that whole wall of text make it easier to read
All the best
Like I said, I got them through trading, as well you know as you were copying my trades and undercutting them by 1 - Classy.
cheethamhill
23.12.18, 08:30
its irrelevant how you do whatever,point is you got 24k presents with 20 mins game time a day,so the event is quite easy then..no? I don't copy your trades,I do my own but if you have something I'm selling I will go lower,or buying and go higher....just like you and every other person does on the game..see SS's below...and tbh if you done 24k worth of sales it hasn't affected you that much with only 20mins aday playing has it?
prnt.sc/lyjxwm
prnt.sc/lyk164
..stay classy!
lordloocan
23.12.18, 08:49
Seems this has degenerated into a personal attack on BoddingtonUK for having the temerity to say he is quitting the game and then taking part in the event in order to help his friends and guild members.. Sad to see Bodd quitting, sadder to see the comments from those with some axe to grind.
Aszbhar_Old
23.12.18, 13:15
It would seem this thread has run its course.
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