premium friend buff and resources balance

[BrownGuy]

do you guys think friend buff is not balanced very well?

boost to production , weapon production (shortened time+ 2x single buff) and troops recruiting is just insane ... guys from my guild (70+ level) are storing millions of saltpetre, gunpowder , tit ore, tit bars, gold ore , coins , granite ... they had massive production even without friend buff

i think just one person from my guild can supply whole server with all "rare" resources

[topgearfan]

You mean more insane than the previous +400% and zone buffs? When i first joined i thought that getting +100% production for 6 hours with 1 click was insane. But this is how TSO rolls. Its not like these millions are of much use to them stored away.

Troops recruiting is not really working so its not insane at all.

[AbsoluteZ]

Troops and ph/rph productions were definitely faster for me with friend buff. The queues can be glitchy as things sometimes appear completed before they really are, but I was making significantly faster elite troops, manuscripts, etc. while it was active.

As to the original poster's comment regarding balance, I very much agree. The game is no longer about balancing economy and optimizing production real estate, which is kind of a disappointment for me. Now it seems like the goal for many people is just to run a big adventure with as many bonuses active as possible to try and get a big big XP number at the end. Who cares about what route you took, blocks you made, gens you used, troops you lost... just throw Mary at everything in sight! Because the costs don't matter anymore.

[BrownGuy]

You mean more insane than the previous +400% and zone buffs?.

yes, 15 days whole island buff is more insane then +400% few hours single buff , far, far , far more insane

[Dorotheus]

If you look very carefully you will see that this buff is in fact a double edged sword. The fact that some players have acquired a shed load of certain resources is meaningless, because those resources in themselves are not used to make the end product. It takes several steps going through several workyards to obtain a resource which is directly needed for troop production. The buff creates bottlenecks which limit its usefulness. What BB have in fact done is create resource sinks in a manner which is attractive to the players.

[BrownGuy]

The fact that some players have acquired a shed load of certain resources is meaningless, because those resources in themselves are not used to make the end product.

lol , m8 , premium friend buff doubles EVERY SINGLE BUFF and also DOUBLES WEAPON PRODUCTION ..
those are END PRODUCTS together with brew ..
do you even play settlers?

check it out ..
https://prnt.sc/ok20cf

+44k tit ore , +256k coal production ..

brew is also 1/2 milion a day .. dont wanna bother you with lots of screenshots

[Dorotheus]

Checked it out, nothing to see. You failed to provide a context which allows that image to convey meaningful information. It does show my point, your smelters are not keeping up with demand and your mines will have down time when they run out.

[cheethamhill]

obviously the smelters are off to boast the SS coal image( forge etc also I would guess) and mines are running at 14x(oil/mining guide and incitement) another boost to show in the SS but not really a long term actuality..we can all make SS's look good...how about showing your Tit mines with the ability to run for a year or the 3000 machine oils you'd need to run them 6 months like that..forgetting incitement which is not permanent unless you have 15 pitches and also 700 mining guides for 6 months?

like so...

TIT https://prnt.sc/okhnmo
COAL https://prnt.sc/okhnqe
Chain http://prntscr.com/okhqsl

[hades8840]

Love the PFB am on my 3rd so pretty much constant since it came out i am using it for my coinages and seeing using employees etc for them can keep it going without down time whole chain can work at a profit and allows me to make 300k plus a day in coin plus everything else that benefits from smoked fish buffs ...all my mines for gold tit and salt are rainbowed

[AbsoluteZ]

You failed to provide a context which allows that image to convey meaningful information.

Oh please. Get over yourself and knock it off with that snobby, passive-aggressive garbage. 2700+ posts and counting and it seems like 90%+ of the time your only purpose is to knock someone else's idea or opinion with some haughty know-it-all attitude.

The image in question conveys plenty of meaningful information related to the original post and zero context should be required to discern it. Lots. Of. Stuff. You. Don't. Need. And the ability to frequently produce lots more of all those things given the amount of aggregate buffs and excess resources we have nowadays.

Also, the friend buff does NOT create bottlenecks or resource sinks in any given economy, in fact it can only potentially eliminate some of them. If a player chooses to turn every production building on simultaneously and THEN there is a bottleneck it is not caused by the friend buff. You don't have to run anything you don't normally run. A well-balanced economy will just become an overproducing economy on overdrive for 15/16.5 days.

And another thing, in this situation who cares about ~1k titanium/day deficit when you have 100k's in store. He chose to turn everything on and you see a tiny weak point and start saying "See I told you so nya nya" Turn a dama/xbow off, build another smelter, or just ignore it for a while, whatever. It is a complete non-issue because as I said above, most of this stuff doesn't need to be on in the first place.


obviously the smelters are off to boast the SS coal image

Obviously many of the smelters are NOT off since the swords on the left would all be yellow and not green if they were. Manipulating the image for impressive coal numbers is a pretty silly accusation and certainly not one of the "rare" resources that were originally brought up.

[cheethamhill]

So no mention of the "rare" resources,TIT mines running at 14 times then,yeah OK the SS is how he/she runs the mines/etc all the time...funny how you missed all of that in the post!..of all the original items posted only Tit and Coal are shown so hard to judge the others..... so a few smelters are running,Tit,cannons and forge etc are off probably why my SS shows 400k and that shows 250k

If he/she wanted to make a point then show how things run normally not an exaggerated version..

BB have changed the game,like it or not its their choice no-one seems to be complaining of the last event where people where getting 100/400 mill XP though...I personally agree it not a great move to add things that have made the game so easy like the PFB and every event being 200%+ XP since halloween but they have their reasons and aren't sharing that with us so we play or don't play...

[AbsoluteZ]

I didn't miss a bit of your post don't worry, I just think it is completely irrelevant how things are run "normally". Only the uber-leet extreme hardcore (lol) players will feel compelled to shell out gems for it to be permanently active. For most people the friend buff does not represent how things are normally run to begin with, and so it doesn't matter if you can sustain the excess production for 2 years or 2 hours. It is still overpowered and further unbalances the game. That's not to say it's not fun to have it on, I used it during the event, but that hardly justifies it's existence.

And for pete's sake look at the SS if you really insist on picking it apart. The cannons and titanium are clearly on. Maybe the forge is off, who cares, the coal production number doesn't even matter.



BB have changed the game,like it or not its their choice no-one seems to be complaining of the last event where people where getting 100/400 mill XP though...I personally agree it not a great move to add things that have made the game so easy like the PFB and every event being 200%+ XP since halloween but they have their reasons and aren't sharing that with us so we play or don't play...

I agree with you on all points there.

[LordBosse]

I for one love the F-buff and don't consider it OP considering it cost 3k gems in the shop, though I'd like to see a +25% loot in it too, that would be nice, but it is very good as it is now imo :)

[ginny31]

So no mention of the "rare" resources,TIT mines running at 14 times then,yeah OK the SS is how he/she runs the mines/etc all the time...funny how you missed all of that in the post!..of all the original items posted only Tit and Coal are shown so hard to judge the others..... so a few smelters are running,Tit,cannons and forge etc are off probably why my SS shows 400k and that shows 250k

If he/she wanted to make a point then show how things run normally not an exaggerated version..

BB have changed the game,like it or not its their choice no-one seems to be complaining of the last event where people where getting 100/400 mill XP though...I personally agree it not a great move to add things that have made the game so easy like the PFB and every event being 200%+ XP since halloween but they have their reasons and aren't sharing that with us so we play or don't play...

curiousty how would you get a mine doing 14 times i can work out 12 times but wouldnt be able to keep that up for any great length of time as macnine oils hard to come by for a regular supply so max i could run at would be 10x using a rainbow and mining guide with PFB

[BrownGuy]

to be honest i did not provide a lot of screenshots of my production coz i thought it is common knowledge and most of players can see that on their own production chains ..

also , i did not answer Dorotheus coz his statements of "bottlenecks" and "down time" are just ludicrous ..

anyways - lets take e.g. PLATINUM SWORD PRODUCTION , if u start friend buff(double production time for weapons) and apply any x3(x6 with fb) or x4 (x8 with fb) single buff+ weapon guide ..

well, calculate your self

[cheethamhill]

curiousty how would you get a mine doing 14 times i can work out 12 times but wouldnt be able to keep that up for any great length of time as macnine oils hard to come by for a regular supply so max i could run at would be 10x using a rainbow and mining guide with PFB

Oil,PFB,Mining guide and Incitement is 14x

[cheethamhill]

Oil with PFB is 10,add mining is 12 add incitement is 14x

like so....http://prntscr.com/or4qeg

[ginny31]

Oil with PFB is 10,add mining is 12 add incitement is 14x

like so....http://prntscr.com/or4qeg

that is true but the time its like that is very limited oil isnt exactly that easy to come by to have weeks worth for multple mines the new buff from the footie field is only 90 mins long and has a cooldown so realistically its more like 10x for any real amount of time a rainbow a PFB and a mining guilde

[cheethamhill]

You asked how it was done lol..now if its a long term plan

Exactly my point with the OP's SS..showing 14 times tit wasn't needed as its not possible to do over a longer period.