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BB_Trafffer
26.01.21, 11:30
Please feel free to leave your thoughts and comments on the macOS / 32 Bit System Announcement.
The original post can be found here (https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/threads/38078).
Kind Regards.
BB_Trafffer
Why are we wasting time thinking about windows 32bit support when almoat no even reasonably new cpu is in fact 32 bit? Forget 32bit and put all efforts on getting the Unity working so people on Mac, Linux and all other platforms can get back on.
What a surprise - not. Wish I'd put a bet on this, I might of got my money back.
So, No Christmas event, no Valentines, no Surprise event.
And given how well BB have done with this (piss up in a brewery comes to mind), I bet we MacOS (and 32 bit) don't get the Easter event either.
Four years you guys have known this was going to be an issue. So now it's 3 months of no play.
Not happy at all. (to put it mildly)!!!!
So what put you off from Mac support? Can you explain in a bit more detail what you are struggling with?
Balram_Bissa
26.01.21, 15:11
Players who can't play TSO due to "technical problems" must get compensation from Blue Byte. As they missed Christmas event and most probably will miss valentine event too. Along with this they can't progress in TSO like leveling up due to "technical problems".
TheBlackWind
26.01.21, 15:12
I'm not sure but, can VMware with the required system requirements fix the problem ? just suggesting
Like most of us with half a brain cell didn't see this coming weeks ago.. like the fabled unity test server which must be in another dimension cause it isn't in this reality
Players who can't play TSO due to "technical problems" must get compensation from Blue Byte. As they missed Christmas event and most probably will miss valentine event too. Along with this they can't progress in TSO like leveling up due to "technical problems".
Compensation?!?
The game is free to play, gem options are just that, optional
Also, BB gives compensations as in-game resources or extras
Since those players can't log-in/play... where would the compensation go??
The only reasonable thing to expect is for the game to work
They had time enough to fix it, but their laziness and overall contempt for us players made sure this would never happen.
raperonzolo
26.01.21, 15:40
so can we ask when???? Because later means everything
Why are we wasting time thinking about windows 32bit support when almoat no even reasonably new cpu is in fact 32 bit? Forget 32bit and put all efforts on getting the Unity working so people on Mac, Linux and all other platforms can get back on.
Comments like this should be banned. All major OS are still made in 32-bit version. Non modern machines have no benefit in running x64 and there are new machines still made as 32-bit (mostly laptops and tablets). Your comment is kind of insulting, and shows lack of knowledge, specially when you mentioned Mac, Linux and all other platforms. It is hard to say what percentage of machines run win 32-bit systems, but it is more than Linux and other platforms (excluding Win and Mac). Almost all Linux distros have both 64 and 32 bit versions (some have only 32-bit). And most important, large percentage of programs in 64-bit Windows are actually 32-bit programs (in most cases, majority).
Compensation?!?
The game is free to play, gem options are just that, optional
Also, BB gives compensations as in-game resources or extras
Since those players can't log-in/play... where would the compensation go??
Some of us are paying players who regularly buy gems and are on premium time. And Linux players like me apparently don't even warrant the feeble apologies given to Mac users.
I'm on a windows 10 64bit system and I still get the "cannot update client"
no wait I just tried again, now it seems to work
Frankly that's pathetic. Broken promises, lies (about maintaining web based login for Xmas event) and collectively burying your heads in the sand for weeks rather than facing the community with difficult news
What is Harman's role in this? what exactly did you contract them for? cross-platform support? HAHA pathetic.
It is what it is though - I was cynical from the start. Having played 8 years I'm used to the lack of communication and broken promises.
Get you thumbs out and deliver Unity ahead of schedule - that might restore a little faith.
abandon 32 bit and focus on macos,
microsoft should have done the same and cut off 32 bit entirely,
32 bit machines belongs in another century but this one.
Comments like this should be banned. All major OS are still made in 32-bit version.
We are talking about specifically the 32bit Windows implementation BB is failing to provide, not all major OS. Whether something exists in a 32bit version or not is not really germane here.
Non modern machines have no benefit in running x64 and there are new machines still made as 32-bit (mostly laptops and tablets). No they are not. I did a quick check on when the last 32bit CPU was made. Google claims it was a Pentium 4 from 2002. That's 19 years ago. That's, what, 10 years before TSO was even made. It might just be about time we accept the inevitability of the march of technology.
Your comment is kind of insulting, and shows lack of knowledge, specially when you mentioned Mac, Linux and all other platforms.No it's not insulting and it was done with extensive knowledge thank you very much.
It is hard to say what percentage of machines run win 32-bit systems, No it's not. BB can with absolute certainty tell exactly how many of those exist.
but it is more than Linux and other platforms (excluding Win and Mac). Almost all Linux distros have both 64 and 32 bit versions (some have only 32-bit). None of which is in any shape or form in any way relevant at this point.
And most important, large percentage of programs in 64-bit Windows are actually 32-bit programs (in most cases, majority). And this is completely and unequivocally irrelevant to the question at hand.
BB is failing to make a Win 32bit client work. They are failing to make a Mac client work. They are failing to make a Linux client work. A temporary client for a version of the game that is dead I may add. So stop throwing effort into something that has been attempted and failed. Instead of wasting another hour of development time to make another variant of a technically dead implementation use that effort to something that actually has a future. The Unity game version. So people on Mac, Linux, 32bit Windows, 128bit Alien quantum computers, Android or whatever else may exist might actually be able to play the game again.
Because trying and failing to create a workable client for 32-bit Windows has clearly not worked out. Every hour spent on this variant of a temporary solution we should never have had to use in the first place is an hour not spent getting the game to a state where everyone can enjoy it.
But you don't care about everyone else clearly. I do. The 32Bit Windows client they have already, per their own admission, failed to get to work is time spent on a dead-end. It has nothing to do with whether this bit or that bit or which OS:s work or do not work or what if anything is superior or not, really. It's a question of where scarce resource are being spent, and you think they should be spent trying to get a failed effort to work. When none of us, me included, can actually access the one thing we should in reality already be able to use. The new Unity based platform.
If you actually read what I wrote it was not a "32bti suxxors and you all are losers", though admittedly, *now* I'm thinking that. I'm pointing otu that now BB has admitted that they have failed to provide a 32bit client for Windows, and giving up on the Mac version (presumably any Linux effort is also dead in the water), they should put their effort on the new platform which I would hope would let people play the game natively whether they run a 32 or 64 bit system, and regardless of OS used. I see this as much more fruitful goal really rather than wasting time, and I repeat this to be clear, on effort BB have themselves said they are currently failing at.
I will add though, I strongly suspect when the new Unity version is deployed anyone with hardware so old it can't handle the current software generation are going to be completely out of luck anyway. Feel free to range impotently against me for that too if you must. Truth doesn't burn in fire. No matter how much developer effort is wasted on a Windows compatible 32bit *temporary client* it won't make it easier when the new Unity based implementation arrives. The only thing that might actually help then, is weirdly enough, actually working on said Unity implementation.
The TL:DR:
Does this work on Mac? Nope.
Does this work on Linux? Nope.
Does this work on Win 32bit? Nope.
Does this work on Win 64bit? Somewhat.
Is the solution to spend developer time making a 32bit Windows solution? Nope.
Is the solution to put all effort into making a Unity implementation where Mac, Linux, Windows, Android, [Insert favourite OS here] 32/64 bit version might work? Yup.
Wuselwirbel
26.01.21, 16:57
BB really tries hard to be the Berlin airport of software projects. Sigh. They could have simply made a deal with harman to allow everyone on their flash-preserving browsers instead the nightmare they created: Everone left out but Windows 64bit and virtualization software users who have to use a client that stalls every other minute. I will use my power of the purse and not buy any gems until BB gets their act together - like the Unity version whose early beta we'll hopefully get in time for the Halloween event.
Is the solution to put all effort into making a Unity implementation where Mac, Linux, Windows, Android, [Insert favourite OS here] 32/64 bit version might work? Yup.
This^ Absolutely 1000000% this^
Forget having an event 30 seconds after the last one ended, forget about fixing petty cosmetic issues. Get the game working again for all the people playing on sub-par emulation, broken clients and the sizeable portion of players who haven't been able to log in since December (if they can still be bothered to come back).
You know... sometimes it kind of feels like you guys want to push away your userbase...
You had four years to figure this out, and a good chunk of the players cannot play because it only works on one version of computers.................
Hmm. Okay then.
ClarenceDuPont
26.01.21, 17:22
So stop throwing effort into something that has been attempted and failed. Instead of wasting another hour of development time to make another variant of a technically dead implementation use that effort to something that actually has a future. The Unity game version.
^^^ Exactly this
You wouldn't put fuel in a rusting car with no engine, doors or seats, waste of resources, use your available resources to deliver the new thing, not on something that will be scrap shortly.
I 'm in favor of BB compensating players who will not be able to play until Unity, with in-game rewards.
well, at least we're a step closer to getting at the end of this transition
now that there's no focus on mac , all this extra workforce will be working on unity hopefully.
No they are not. I did a quick check on when the last 32bit CPU was made. Google claims it was a Pentium 4 from 2002. That's 19 years ago. That's, what, 10 years before TSO was even made. It might just be about time we accept the inevitability of the march of technology.
Don't know how you checked that, but 32-bit CPU are still produced. Google that You said claimed that announced that they will drop 32-bit suppot this year. Not even correct for Pentium 4, since last one was introduced 2004. And last Quark was introduced 2015.
No it's not. BB can with absolute certainty tell exactly how many of those exist.
How? HTTP request does not contain type of system. And there are lots of 32-bit browsers that work on 64-bit systems, so You can't tell by browser.
None of which is in any shape or form in any way relevant at this point.
Up until recently, requirements for TSO were browser and flash player. I ran TSO without any major issues on Ubuntu and Kali, also can confirm it worked on Zorin.
But you don't care about everyone else clearly. I do.
Clearly You do not. You are throwing aside certain percentage in order to focus on other percentage. So, I have Win10, and don't care if no one can play except me? I'm missing some players that played on Linux and older PCs. And I play much less since I'm forced to use Win10. There is no reason for them to quit because someone considers 32-bit obsolete.
AndyGadget
26.01.21, 19:29
Another point of contention is that a number if us asked for the current flash login not to be thrown away as there are browsers out there that still actively support flash, and we could have all run them, but no they had to slam the door on that suggestion as well. For those of us who do not upgrade their computers every few years, or don't run the latest windows releases, we could still all be playing now. Another lost opportunity, and another set of players who have no plans to return to the game in 6 months.
I personally am not concerned about this x32/x64 fiasco, but even on the Unity forum they dropped 32 bit developer tools over 2 years ago, and the consensus seems to be that if you want the most stable feature rich experience you will be getting a x64 unity client at least for the Windows builds - Mac support is different.
firewalled
26.01.21, 19:50
Don't know how you checked that, but 32-bit CPU are still produced. Google that You said claimed that announced that they will drop 32-bit suppot this year. Not even correct for Pentium 4, since last one was introduced 2004. And last Quark was introduced 2015.
How? HTTP request does not contain type of system. And there are lots of 32-bit browsers that work on 64-bit systems, so You can't tell by browser.
Up until recently, requirements for TSO were browser and flash player. I ran TSO without any major issues on Ubuntu and Kali, also can confirm it worked on Zorin.
Clearly You do not. You are throwing aside certain percentage in order to focus on other percentage. So, I have Win10, and don't care if no one can play except me? I'm missing some players that played on Linux and older PCs. And I play much less since I'm forced to use Win10. There is no reason for them to quit because someone considers 32-bit obsolete.
Just stop - you are wrong, he isn't. Doesn't matter if the last 32bit CPU was made 18 or 15 years ago. Doesn't matter if somebody manufactured a special 32bit CPU for special use cases.
64bit desktop CPUs have been around for so long now, there's no reason to not use it in a desktop PC for atleast 8-10 years.
If you for some reason run 32bit and you NEED to play TSO, just reinstall 64bit OS, as your CPU will support it unless your computer is more than 15 years old.
The amount of players on 32bit must be rather low, compared to players that will benefit from the Unity client.
The HTTP protocol can reveal all kinds of information including architecture. You are right some people might run a 32bit browser on 64bit OS, but that is hardly that many players, and in that case, they can just switch.
And I just tested a 32bit 9 years old Firefox, it still reveals it runs on a 64bit CPU.
So focus on the Unity client and stop wasting time on anything else is quite a good point.
sell your families , and go buy a new pc 2 times a year problem solved
firewalled
26.01.21, 21:09
sell your families , and go buy a new pc 2 times a year problem solved
Or sell all your empty bottles every 10 years and buy a new computer should do too! :)
Max_turtle
26.01.21, 21:43
i find it nice - in the original post on the star-page " For macOS users - have to point to the Unity version of “The Settlers Online” that will be available later, as planned."
they have allready planed to do a delaid the client, so don't worrie about it, maybe in 6 month - 1 year like the vaccine ;)
hi ive been playing this game up until this morning, am running a 64bit system why am i getting the same problem as your only mentioning 32bit
how did you get yours to work am running the same as you tried like 8 times uninstalled the down load then reinstalled it but still no luck
End of January - You say
and what happened?...
FAIL!
limalhadeferro
27.01.21, 10:47
Compensation?!?
The game is free to play, gem options are just that, optional
Also, BB gives compensations as in-game resources or extras
Since those players can't log-in/play... where would the compensation go??
The only reasonable thing to expect is for the game to work
They had time enough to fix it, but their laziness and overall contempt for us players made sure this would never happen.
you are wrong, oh so wrong!
compensation is due alright, since people are not able to play the game because of the dev's incompetence.
and when i say compensation, i dont mean money of course, i mean content ingame, because people have lost one event where free content was up for grabs but players were not able to get it because of the dev's incompetence, so yes, players not being able to partake in said events and getting more content should be made whole by receiving content from those events, meaning gens, explorers, buildings and whatnot.
plus, valentines event, the surprise event and possibly the easter event will all be missed, so yes, compensation is most definitely due!!!
Balram_Bissa
27.01.21, 10:50
Compensation?!?
The game is free to play, gem options are just that, optional
Also, BB gives compensations as in-game resources or extras
Since those players can't log-in/play... where would the compensation go??
The only reasonable thing to expect is for the game to work
They had time enough to fix it, but their laziness and overall contempt for us players made sure this would never happen.
I am talking about in-game compensation seamus, when this "technical problem" problem will be solved and players will come back to TSO. On that time they must get in-game compensation.
There are plenty of people still using computers 15+ years old, there are still plenty of games being released which run fine on computers this old too. This is partly why support periods for products becoming shorter before you are forced to buy new is becoming a greater issue recently. If you open task manager, look at how many processes are still 32bit, its probably almost half of them so 32bit isn't going away soon.
Until the unity client is released, they should just allow the old flash version to still work, you can still install and use hacked versions of the flash player. Whilst it is a security risk, anyone running a pc which is incapable of running the new client is likely already running a security compromised system anyway (and has been for a long time without issue).
maby you are right but not on my pc
There are a number of people within guild that already could not play... and now, more people since the update are unable to play. But, BB is still going to say they're "working on it" while having Gem Happy Hour.
Really, really, really, from a business standpoint, I don't get it. The Chaotic in me says you really do just want us to all quit.
There are also people, including myself, manage to play a bit (as circumstances allow that) from Monday to Friday at work's Windows PC and unable to play from home's MacOS, the loss is much more moderate but we are getting away from enjoying the game, buying gems and getting close to the inevitable abandon of the Settlers Online...
The_Sarmatian
28.01.21, 09:45
I am on 64 bit Linux system, so I do not mind 64 bit client. However how about Linux client? Not all Linux applications are open source, as many are proprietary too. Is BB even considering working on Linux client?
limalhadeferro
28.01.21, 10:04
i am glad that at least they came out and said the truth finally, a Mac version as promised wont be released anytime soon, if ever.
but still, i just wanted to leave this here, as it's bugging me quite a bit, triple A games are made in less than 4 years, and BB failed miserably at it, and they just had to transition the game from one platform to a different one, and they had 4 years to do so, and they couldn't?????
what are bb's programmers doing all day i wonder?
you guys suck at your job…
Mannerheim
28.01.21, 11:05
I am on 64 bit Linux system, so I do not mind 64 bit client. However how about Linux client? Not all Linux applications are open source, as many are proprietary too. Is BB even considering working on Linux client?
On the German forums BB already said weeks ago that no temporary Linux version is planned and people will have to wait for the Unity version or use the user provided guides.
Didn't have time to try. Isn't it possible to play on Linux via virtualization software?
Didn't have time to try. Isn't it possible to play on Linux via virtualization software?
there's guides on forum for that
Guess this means… goodbye :(
TouroLouco
07.02.21, 16:01
I agree. I've been waiting for the Linux-version since I could not get the Windows client to run under Wine/PlayOnLinux (mind you, the Beta ran natively under Linux!!). This is not a question of not possible, but not willing.... And you can bet your bottom that the Unify-edition will take much longer than BB states.... I want my money back for my year Premium I prepaid or an acceptable sollution.. Are there any people yet preparing a legal case?..
PS Other option, since I'm an Linux Expert: BB I'm willing to work with you for free to maybe script a sollution using Wine, but I do need your support for more info and maybe a small change to the login procedure..
(Someone who plays TSO since the first beta and a regular payer even had a relationship for 5 years who I met via TSO.. TSO =/for life..)
I had no problem connecting with the original client. I was, however, regularly being kicked off. So, I decided to download the new client... and now, I struggle to log on. It typically takes an hour or two before a time actually finally works.
I don't get it. Why are y'all so bad at this?
Alright, so all the other than windows users are basically screwed. And not in the foreseeable future the issue will be fixed. And no communication from BB for more than a month now about this.
Can somebody please recommend me a similar browser based game what works on Mac?
Thank you.
limalhadeferro
10.03.21, 11:06
this is really F* up!!!!
you guys are really bad at your jobs!
the easter event is about to start and where is what you promised? for the second time mind you…
Christ!!! how can you guys sleep at night knowing you are this bad at your respective jobs.
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