you guys aint gonna like this bandit nest done first attempt old friends done first attempt , got me a watermill and 500 gems thoroughly enjoyed the quest chain thanks bb :D
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you guys aint gonna like this bandit nest done first attempt old friends done first attempt , got me a watermill and 500 gems thoroughly enjoyed the quest chain thanks bb :D
It is actually 61% since you get two loot slots that both have a 37.5% chance to give granite. 1-(1-0.375)^2 = 0.61Quote:
Originally Posted by Astera
After looking at this thread because my 4 scouts have failed to find 30 granite for the last week, Im really grateful to dialecticus for the complete list of payments you need to complete this rather silly chain. I shall now be abandoning it as i dont want to build the entirely useless damascene sword maker and titanium smelter at a cost of 7.5k granite just to get a few gems and a couple of buildings i can buy from trade a lot more cheaply.
It is all about state of mind-
You don't need to buy adventures at inflated prices on the market- You can just buy fragments fro some and buy em in shop or play the adventures to get the follow up adventures. You have time if you just focus yourself a bit. I am playing WOTS for the OF adventure as i refuse to pay the 1k prices asked in TO and used MF for BN. Quest is still worth it for me, else i would have trashed it long time ago.
And now that the duration is 1 week longer, getting the follow up adventures yourself is really no problem anymore unless murphy and sod conspire against you.
Yes- if you want to run through the qustline in 4 days or so and end up buying everything for inflated prices etc you will get frustrated- but although the questline is not perfect and can be improved upon, it isnt that frustrating that it should cause people to quit over it- There is more at play than the questline when u quit- like other things you dont like and/or your own state of mind and actions re the questline
My bad - did not realize that the 8 kinds of loots are not equally probable to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antilochus
Dear BlueByte.
What I would like to see is the statistics for this quest chain after the allotted time is up.
It would be nice to see how many who started it and how may that canceled it during each step, and lastly how many who finished it.
If possible divided into the different level.
It would also be nice if all the players could get a short end report, summarizing your experience of this quest chain, and what your conclusion is for more quest chain(s) in the future.
Till I hear from you in this matter.
Yours
Nettopp_Naa
Hall of Aasgard
As a Level 50 player i have no intention of doing Surprise attack three or more times to get my silo or watermill. I know one player in my guild who managed to get it done, but he wasn't and EOC yet. Most of our others didn't really bothered with it. Why should i waste 1500 or more mapfragments for 3 SA's which gives me bad loot and no XP when i can just do a bunch of Dark Priests or SFTR and sell the lootspots??
This Four Winds quest is build to force people to pay real money. It's ok, BB has to make money.
The difficulty of quest makes nonpaying people upset. But who cares, right?
Sad ... .
I need less luck to win the lottery than get granite from Bandit Nest. I have started the 9th Bandit Nest today. Not for the loot, for the "fun" . :)
I feel very different for the event than most posters here.
I would like to thank BB for this quest chain. For me it was very much fun and brought some variety to the game. Especially since the stuff I needed to do was different from the stuff usually done. The only concerns for me were the amount of luck involved and the chosen levels for my bracket 36-45. The difficulty level was okay for people like me on level 43 but the players near levels 36-39 are struggling especially if they are unlucky with Bandits Nest. Doing it is a major stress to their economy let alone buying the necessary map fragments or doing it multiple times. Same goes about old friends which has inflated in price. What's worse they are both solo adventures so they cannot cooperate or ask for help. Also if you are unlucky on any of the quests requesting specific resource it can jeoparize getting the chain done within time limit (not as big issue now when the event was extended).
So maybe next time you could:
1) divide the 36-45 bracket in half around level 40.
2) think carefully about the luck factor.
I would like to thank BB too much fun. Today I finished the 4x Old Friends and the result is the loss of 1360 R, 260 Cav, 370 LB, 370 B, 80 S and granite anywhere. Only EW and saltpeter. Much fun.
edit: 11.3. next old friends (5) - 2x slot EWs ... no comment .. 61% chance?
edit2: Today, mission accomplished ... thankfully ...
Done the quest and completed it in a week like at lvl47, needed 2 swaps on SA for it (so a total of 4 SAs), rest were first timers.
To the ones complaining about the titanium smelter and the damascene swordsmith.... errmm, there are other quests and sidequests doable after you build them each granting their own rewards (more or less satisfactory), so they aren`t built only for this questchain.
The titanium smelter (produce 170 titanium bars) has another 2 quests in More units quest chain = own a titanium smelter and produce 400 titanium bars.
The damascene swordsmith (produce 20 damascene swords) has 2 other too: own a damascene swordsmith and produce 300 damascene swords.
well, I'm level 45, been trying to get granite off bandits nest, 4x and nowt, spent 6000 gold on getting the adventures, no map frags. pretty cheesed off now.
I'm done with this game. BB.
I see lots of pp bashing BB
Doing qwestchain is a choice!
No granite after after 10 or even 20 adventures is that news?:confused: You started qwestchain knowing the risks,buying a watermill and silo shall be cheaper for most people no1 said is was easy.:rolleyes:
Building "useless" buildings? good way of loosing those titanores and ewl from all those granite lacking adventures.:D
You made a CHOICE by starting qwestchain dont come crying on forum if you fail :mad:
Its a game lighten up you made bad choice it happens,grow over it or go play a discgame with cheat option:cool:
;)yay for BB smileys
(happilly providing stocks,mapfrags and adventures for daring gmates)
I agree with that. I'm done with this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nashius-Maximus
can you check the "10. Pay 1000 steel bars, get 600 granite loot from Surprise Attack (33% chance)." 33/% again?
i enkpoyed it
It isnt perfect but better desigend than eotw was. 2 weeks maybe a bit short for some aspects
I hear/see lots of complaints about it being too costly. i sure don;t know how people are doing it
4 x bandits nests and u spent 6k coin to get em? U are to blame yourself for being in a rush, badly informed or lazy. The adventure is buyable for map fragments in the shop and with the price of fragments it will be 1k at most per adventure-
But if you quit over this questline you would have quit anyway over something else so shrug - enjoy the next experiment i'd say
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Originally Posted by Nashius-Maximus
Keep in mind, please, that there a lot more people who enjoy this quest that the ones that don't. Forums of course have the ones that don't, as you can see.
The game is still up and running, is successful many new guilds appear and recruiting, global channels are filled with chat, so the devs must be doing something good.
You obviously din't play too much of them. I mean starting from Evony up to Travian and most of the bigger names do the same things. They don't even have this much content, you're doing the same thing over and over again.
source of this information?Quote:
Originally Posted by Whizkeyjack
Source? Check you global channel :) (we got a lot of new members for example, and this is true for other, ally guilds).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fibonaci
The new player is the "best" sample for the survey. lots of experience,many years played
and global channel just a lot of spam.
Only trade chat - wtb loot spot... wtb loot spot ...
We're still talking about Newfoundland. You're on Northshire. And yes, new players are not burned out, and help us, who still can enjoy the game, have fun :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fibonaci
The reason you have new members is that we have a lot of new players. And the quests are so ridiculous that people need help, and are forced to join a guild to get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whizkeyjack
Don't forget that we are on the same server, and I don't see these thousands of delighted and satisfied players. I see people who are doing it, and STILL whining about it.
I've got to love your tenacity, and the fact that you seem to think you speak for the masses.
This is a social game, it would be normal to people help each other and encourage more Guild Activities. I don't see that as a problem!Quote:
Originally Posted by Icegirl
Thank you for pointing out that we're on the same server. It seems we're not reading the same chat. When it comes to Four Winds, it's usually friendly talk, and there are some complaints about not getting the resource, but it never gets so toxic like here. But yes, I'm not spending all my life in the game, so those moments that I do, I like to read the chat. Also, I never said they never bash, I just didn't experienced it yet.
You confuse my tenacity with my struggle to get people feel more positive (and it does fail when it comes to the forums), you can't blame me for that. Since I do that, I got a lot of friends and people who I could help out in-game!
That's a plus in my book!
it is funny to see that people with negatives do like to point out that people with possitives do not speak for the server, implying that they do
Where did they get their info from? Same sources or the same 20 or so people posting and reposting on the forums
There are 3 Euro English servers posting on these boards- thats a fair few 1000 players-most of whom do not post on these forums and a fair chunk don;t even read the forums
One point for the satisfied with quest-line players, is that they feel little need to post here that they are satisfied - unless they think it was great- which it wasnt. It is not as bad as many point out though- at least imo :P
I had no issues finding all the pieces needed for the quest- including adventures- pressing a few wots got me the OF needed and fragments the bandit nest and with quest running 3 weeks, there is enough time to do the adventures without crazy time pressure
I think the even quest is ridicilously hard for lvl47-50. I wouldnt' mind building useless damascene weaponsmith, crossbowsmith and titanium smelter, and buying lots of granite, but you really can do months the same adventure without ever finding granite. I've heard about the people who have never won granite from the same adventure even if they did that tens of times. So it is a real gambling with all the useless effort. But I'm building all those ridicilous things for future event quests and keep them shut down.. Perhaps I might have a better luck then.
I'm still trying to find granite from ML but feeling rather pessimistic. Right now I'm playing ML to win titan.. That seems to be the most common good to be found in any adventure...lol My economy right now is based on winning titan from adventures.. I can always count on that..;) And the time limit gives really a pressure. So if you're lucky you can get all things done in a good time.. But if now, then it is all lost.. I think this is a great game but the rewards (for all the great effort) are really puny and only trying to encourage people to buy things with gems or gold. You cannot really earn gems within a reasonable effort. If you're smart you never do any quests and just trade things..
Ah, timing. I saw ambadil's post then walked into this in our Help:
Player 1: any one completed the event quest? crisis quest?
Player 2: granite crisis got a member in the guild who already tried 20 times
Player 3: me its killing me ha ha ha
Player 4: i stopped crisis quest last week
Most people don't chat in g-1 or on the forum at all and I sincerely hope the three servers have more than 1,000 players between them. While the players quoted above are chat regulars none of them post regularly, if at all, in the forum but Global 1, Help, Guild chats and Whispers have been filled with many of their same sentiments.
It's very nice that some people have enjoyed the event but Four Winds is flawed at its core and a number of posts commenting on how good it is have insisted there's nothing at all wrong with it which just isn't so. It's difficult I think, if one has grasped the luck problem and some of the other issues to post how lovely it is to have shiny new gems and pretty buildings for relatively little cost and effort when many other, initially very enthusiastic, players haven't had luck on their side.
The week's extension came eight or nine days into a 14 day timeframe, it's done nothing at all for those who've already canceled the Quest based on the original time and very little for those who may still be emptying their Stores for their Nth attempt at Granite. The extension also runs Fours Winds right smack into Easter which is not so nice.
Huzzah for those who've enjoyed it, grats to those who've finished it, and tyVm to all those who have been successful and still managed to realise there need to be some serious adjustments made before the next Crisis Quest rolls out.
I don't claim to speak for the server and I never have.Quote:
Originally Posted by ambandil
What if only have time do to adventures on weekends. You think it's possible to do 11 Motherly Loves to get granite then?
That is not even a little bit of truth. Can not you understand that there are people who have "just" reward exo or titan. Only one possibility - trade system, but new event does not have this option. I dont want to play a game based only on the random generator.Quote:
Originally Posted by ambandil
I think the main issue with most people here is the 'randomness' aspect from an adventure:
Do an adventure, 33% chance of getting granite.
Need to get granite to continue.
Forget that it costs 1500gc/2000gc/6000gc to get the adventure. It's the thought that it may take forever (or more than the allotted time) to get lucky and get the item to continue.
It does not help that (for some of us) the last step also includes an adventure with a random% drop that we could fail and not succeed in time.
Aside from that I think the quest line is fine. If they would tweak it so all you had to do was win (or not loose more than x amount of soldiers, etc.) then I doubt there would be that many complaints.
Or if they were insistent on the random drop% then at least make it a cheap quest that can be done quickly (horseback, witch, etc. which can all be found by explorer and completed in an hour or two).
I tried once (paid 1500gc worth of map frags to get the adventure), used up all my resources to win the adventure. Did not get granite. Decided to give up on the quest :( (it was either let my island suffer for a week or try one more time... trying two more times is not an option due to lack of resources :( )
Oh well, c'est la vie :)
Dont know for sure, but looks like schools and or love potion are not counted also for the produce settlers quest?
Ok, I'm going to post something just to brag...
I JUST COMPLETED FOUR WINDS QUEST !!!!!
And within the original timeframe. FYI I'm level 43
How I did it : focussed all ressources on that since day 1. Bought maps, love potion, drill buff. I did 7 treasure searches, 1 Outlaws, 3 Bandit nest, did numerous Wich of Swamp in between to get Old friends, and by a crazy luck only 1 Old friends. It cost me ressources like I would have never imagined : about 30 000 bronze sword ! Imagine the brew and the coins to buy it all !
But the secret to my success : I had 3 days off devoted to the quest ! Without that, I can't imagine someone doing it within the original timeframe.
Did it worth it ? I'm looking to buy a VET GEN. That's the only reason why I did it. So yes the 400 gems worth it, but if you are not looking for Gems to buy a VET, why the heck would you do the quest ??
for the challenge maybe.
Cinoche.
Event was not well thought through.
If you'd created it as a sort of 'Hardcore' Event or even made it so that it wasn't against the clock, you would have gotten much better feedback.
I am trying to complete this quest but i have huge problem in bandit nest.done it 3 times and havent got 600 granite i need to proceed. is there any specific time in day or something like that you have to finish it to get granite?dont know what to do
Dissapointed about the granite part, just quit the quest. Just not worth killing so many solders on a small chance that on next time it will end with granite. Good luck to all you still trying :)
got a quick question , im doing the last part ( sunny day) so in the dark priests do you have to destroy all small camps as well to get the granite? and does it matter if u lootspot the 2nd place in the adventure ?
You just have to get the right loot. It can be via lootspots or any way of finishing the adventure.
I just completed the quest chain, took 2 shots at Bandits and 2 shots at Old Friends to do it :)
i compleated an adventure for one of the quests yet it said i hadn't so now i have to do it again