Upgrades to the Magnificent Residence

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Originally Posted by SmurfAsH

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This game is about being in an endless cycle. I think people that just want to finish upgrading their island, specialist, w/e.. would better play a single player game offline. Not a (supposed) MMO game..

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Rather than creating endless cycles by changing minor statistics between buildings, They could actually spend their time creating new challenging content, That's how most MMO's have operated over the last 20years or so that in turn is a cycle worth being a part of.

Single player games don't offer the social aspect nor the trade aspect, Just because some people wish to have an upgraded island or specialist, Doesn't mean they would be better off in a single player game at all.

+1111111 brayarg

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Originally Posted by Brayarg

I dislike the idea, Only because It would devalue the frozen manor as everyone tried to upgrade and in 6 months we could all have the same discussion how the frozen manor needs an upgrade to bring it on par with the Magnificent Residence, it would just be an endless cycle, so that's a -1 from me.

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I remember very well how people threw out Witch Towers when Frozen Manors became readily available, and did you complain?
So why complain when the most expensive building in the game (15k Beans is enough to buy 6 Frozen Manors - with the upgrade, it would be enough to buy 15!) is slightly better than the next expensive?

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Originally Posted by Brayarg

Rather than creating endless cycles by changing minor statistics between buildings, They could actually spend their time creating new challenging content, That's how most MMO's have operated over the last 20years or so that in turn is a cycle worth being a part of.

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Why turn this into an either-or?

Brayarg,
by the same logic you would have to countradict EVERY form of rebalancing in the game?

Making the Mag Residence upgradable is a minor thing. It requires the same amount of work as the Village school upgrade, yet it would have a major effect on the game, as Fairytale adventures would actually be useful in themselves.
As it stands now, a lv50 player with 2 QM's and Major can pretty much only do 1 thing with beans: sell them, to buy Frozen Manors because Fairytale rewards from the shop have nothing meaningful to offer.

What is so terrible about the idea of making Fairytale rewards actually useful for anything other than selling?

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Originally Posted by Sharpielein

So you also suggest that they shouldn't EVER introduce anything that makes something old obsolete?
You disliked the Major General because it devalued the Veteran?
You disliked the MMA because it devalued the Major?
You dislike the Improved Silos because they devalue Silos?

Are you also rallying up against the upcoming Improved Watermill?

I remember very well how people threw out Witch Towers when Frozen Manors became readily available, and did you complain?
So why complain when the most expensive building in the game (15k Beans is enough to buy 6 Frozen Manors - with the upgrade, it would be enough to buy 15!) is slightly better than the next expensive?

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Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope. That's a lot of question but I believe I answered them all. Manors are exactly old are they?? Still a relatively new building in my eyes. The Mg the Vet and the MMA added extra dimensions to tactics, A good thing and we could do with more option like this. Silos and watermills are very much Meh I didn't pay RL cash for mine so its not the end of the world and they have been around since day dot.

Are you under the impression that only people that support your cause should post in your thread? Wouldn't that mean all suggestions are one sided? Surly for a suggestion to have a fair weighting it should be open to any and all members to express their views.

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Originally Posted by Sharpielein

Why turn this into an either-or?

Brayarg,
by the same logic you would have to countradict EVERY form of rebalancing in the game?

Making the Mag Residence upgradable is a minor thing. It requires the same amount of work as the Village school upgrade, yet it would have a major effect on the game, as Fairytale adventures would actually be useful in themselves.
As it stands now, a lv50 player with 2 QM's and Major can pretty much only do 1 thing with beans: sell them, to buy Frozen Manors because Fairytale rewards from the shop have nothing meaningful to offer.

What is so terrible about the idea of making Fairytale rewards actually useful for anything other than selling?

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Sharpielein, If I believe someone has a good idea, I will call it exactly that and +1 it. Even if they did alter this eventually the player would still be confronted with the excess beans as they no longer need residence, This doesn't solve the problem it just prolongs a little longer.

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Originally Posted by Brayarg

Sharpielein, If I believe someone has a good idea, I will call it exactly that and +1 it. Even if they did alter this eventually the player would still be confronted with the excess beans as they no longer need residence, This doesn't solve the problem it just prolongs a little longer.

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While you are partially right, it only "prolongs it a little longer", though we may have different views on what "a little" means: it would prove to be a near-infinite sink of beans as the total amount of players who will not need any more settler population ever will never go to zero.

Unfortunately, as it stands, the Magnificient Residence was broken from the day of release in the sense that it was always the most expensive, albeit not the most useful residence in the game.
You yourself know why you don't prefer to own any MR over FM, and that reason is because it's broken.
Broken content deserves a fix, regardless of whether fix in the direction of nerf (WPP) or boost(what I suggest here).

The upgrade wouldn't affect anyone who has invested heavily into FM's and is happy with their current population count.
It would only affect those who wish to ultimately upgrade their islands, and for 30k+ beans invested, it would make a difference of merely 240 Settlers!

I'm getting the impression that you think once you have brought all that is currently available for beans/stalks that you have nothing to spend them on. The way I see it you have 2 choices, first stop playing fairy tales or just consider them another trade resource thus increasing your buying power to buy the things that you still need to get from trade.

Once you reach a certain population level the limiting factor is how fast you can train troops not what your max population is. There is no point to a upgrade if it you get no use out of it.

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Originally Posted by Dorotheus

I'm getting the impression that you think once you have brought all that is currently available for beans/stalks that you have nothing to spend them on. The way I see it you have 2 choices, first stop playing fairy tales or just consider them another trade resource thus increasing your buying power to buy the things that you still need to get from trade.

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I understand that. However, the point is that if the Magnificient Residence was actually desirable to own in a sense that having more than 1 of them actually means something other than decoration, many more beans would leave the game.

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Once you reach a certain population level the limiting factor is how fast you can train troops not what your max population is. There is no point to a upgrade if it you get no use out of it.

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Point taken.
Unfortunately, once you have reached that point, you don't need ANY buildings on your island safe barracks and provision house, because you'll be consuming resources at such an alarming rate that your entire economy is just a grain of sand in the desert.

People who are at this stage of the game don't need anything in a serious form or fashion, it's all just about squeezing that last bit of efficiency out of the limited available island space.
And having 10 upgraded Magnificient Residences would permit us to tear down tons of other buildings to make space for additional stuff.

I should know. Honestly, I'm there already: I can earn roughly the equivalent of 500k Bronze Swords and 500k Bread - per day!
But it would still be nice to see beans being useful for anything besides trading.
Is that such an unreasonable request?

Very well I concede your points.