I bought gems whit 25€ for this even't, so I can have second vet and more scouts. I feel robbed, cos I know we have done a great job together and I would have not bought those whit out the need for End adves - wicht we could not even trade first. Thank's Dantesama for answearing, but the good that this event gave us players is not as much as it gave us disstrust and agression towards BB.
This all stinks and as for me, one thing is sure: BB is losing my trust is this happens to be true. And they will lose even more of it if the truth will come out from not their mouths.
I can't even imagine why we should trust that there hasn't been cheating. We can read the numbers.
How did they explain Poland 03 Server?
13/12/2012 Afternoon 39,3%
14/12/2012 Morning 50,3%
14/12/2012 Afternoon 49,2%
They didn't. That's the point, they are obviously not telling us what's going on!
Oh, i thought they did. Since i saw many post thanking BB Dante.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexidh
Dear BB,
I'm reacting to make you aware of the disappointment in the guild I'm in. We were trying to do our best to do our part in the Maya-event. In the case events didn't go correctly (for one reason or another) we hope BB takes it's responsability. That could go either way: cancel the event and compensate (their was a poor reward/loss ratio in the adventure) or reward everybody.
We have hardly the means to check what's happening in the background. Can we trust you to take this step?
PS Our strength as players lies in our numbers. Make BB aware that you care about the outcome of their investigation.
dear bb
i am the leader of lowlands
an my guild is very dissapointed
and so am i
I fully agree !!
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Originally Posted by Kuchuk
I've pretty much deleted all the EOTW adventures I found after doing the first 1. It seemed rather pointless after looking at the rankings a few days into the event with the adventure itself wasting a whole evening of time and providing useless loot. If they cheated just scrap the event and let us be done with it. Maybe you could spend some time creating decent new adventures with fair enough rewards. Recolored graphics remind me of World of Warcraft and it's recoloring of old models...
Dear BB
I'm in a guild where there are more low level players than high level ones, 30 members, only 9 over level 40. We are not a "gaming guild", we are a chatty, active, fun and social guild that spend more time typing than anything else. But we have done almost 90 eotw adventures put together, and we are still at it. The low levels have helped the high levels with resources and adventures, and if this has been all for a bit of xp and some lousy loot for a few of us, well, then you can most likely kiss our involvement in future events good bye, because it's not fair, and it's not worth it.
Dear BB.
Agree with the others fully agree and hope that this good is sought.Quote:
Dear BB,
I'm reacting to make you aware of the disappointment in the guild I'm in. We were trying to do our best to do our part in the Maya-event. In the case events didn't go correctly (for one reason or another) we hope BB takes it's responsability. That could go either way: cancel the event and compensate (their was a poor reward/loss ratio in the adventure) or reward everybody.
We have hardly the means to check what's happening in the background. Can we trust you to take this step?
PS Our strength as players lies in our numbers. Make BB aware that you care about the outcome of their investigation.
unfortunately I have the EOTW half-way cancelled, even I had build more troops than still i coudnt finish the EOTW in time.
for people who just start this game you cant imagine that they finish the EOTW with only recruits or bowmen, after I hear what you get when you finish this EOTW, it seems to me that it more cost than what you get, so this EOTW is out of balance.
maybe fun for experienced players lvl 40 and higher but not for the players beneath that level, its a hell to play and im a lvl 38 player.
I am surprised and confused if I may believe the the numbers/ percentages from al servers if they are correct.
what i understood of all this..??
blah,blah,blah... far away from a perfect job,blah,blah,blah...good luck next time...
till then,say congratz to germans,see u around...
my guild and I worked hard, but got no where. Gutted and we believe the cheat, glitch or wotever you want to call it was there at some point. I would like to know how a guide for the adventure was released by a player from the top german server on the friday before the event went live, hhmm strange that. Anyway big fail, well done all who tried
Wenn BB comes with mistakes and obviuos faults wich dont benefit BB profits,dosnt irritate players???
I actually think this has been a positive event, (beyond the obvious faults) it has brought people together and united them. This has also giving you an idea/hint on how your server might react facing future PVP events.
Yes some parts are great, less great is stats while some servers struggle gain 0,5% and other make huge% jumps (nah no exploit excist)
No effort is done to made this a clear,fair event wich makes me belive its been build to be shady as no stats equals no proper choice was given to stop early as goals wasnt achievable. Fc Barcelona vs 5year old soccerteam yea thats no fault thats foolishness or worse planned.
Bb in end is the only winner assume many new vetgens and nobels are bought
Gratz to Germans if they used exploit great if not even better,pity for them BB made their win fair or unfair questionable, wich is also due too their own forum thread,well never know as BB will never admitt such and tbh i stopped caring.
Fool as iam still doing the adventure BB made it impossible for us gain a fair chance though giving up is no option.
Futere events? Then BB assume players like beeing fooled
Don't forget the actual villains here are those that used the exploit, I'm sure BB tried their best to stop this kind of thing. I'm still not 100% sure though, I mean it is possible the Germans think they are pulling an exploit but are not.. That said if it didn't work the percentage would be sub average.. so..
But there will not be a next time if BB does not clean this mess. As of now the players would like to know how did it come to this mess (malice or stupidity), and how will it be cleaned up, and BB is at the position that there was no mess in the first place. Without more details I predict a rift between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirtymoto
I totally agree. The idea of BB was very good, we all worked as a team together but when you here there's been cheating.... doesn't feel right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuchuk
Hope BB will come with an answer, compensate for the losses and in the futher be open towards us, the players.
Cheat or no Cheat?
BB should have put an lower limit to the players lvl that are counted in statistics.
Every player is able to participate now. Even if they just joined 1 day before Event start. And our server is still open for new players :D
Somehow i don't think they are much help.
So Why not include only lvl35 + in statistics. That would have changed everything.
Lower lvl-s could still help by finding adventures and some resources, but that is only to put sever and guilds closer together.
Without saying reward should include all active players, so no lvl limit here.
By everything I see here and in the german's forum,it is clear that some servers did use an exploit.I do understand that BB can't just say it or you couldn't give the rewards to the servers that are on top of the rankings and that would cause even further problems.However this event it is far too unfair for the most of the servers and no one can deny that.
The calculation of the active players it is just unacceptable,for example someone who did log in the 4 weeks before the event start,even just one single time,you count as an active and that it is a very big mistake,you should look at active player some one that did log on at least 80% of the days in the 2 weeks before the event.As everyone can see older servers have less of that problem,with time those who don't play often just go away from the game...
At the end reading all this and your posts BB_Dantesama it sounds once again that you don't make very much sense as for example for the previous guild quests that everyone saw it was just too wrong,but you were trying to say they were good and playable,then BB admitted they weren't and change all that to very different and much better ones.
I Agree with Kuchuk and Drevil.
Like this it's NOT fair and NO fun!
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Originally Posted by Kuchuk
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Originally Posted by Ares-1
What about the fact that we (the players) have no access to the any numbers? Only BB has access, only they can say if this exploit is true or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ares-1
I tried to read this topic to have a clear picture, but nobody seems to mention this little fact :(
This whole situation is VERY confusing :|
You have a point there, I have made a list of people I will not ever trust when were going to PVP, these hustlers tried to make a fortune out of the ones that played EotW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snorf
On another note, if this is not cleared good enough, it will be the last day ive been here and with me several others as well, shame of the real cash ive put into it though but not worthy to play any longer as well.
This is how I feel. I don't want to play a game where the developers don't care about the players. We're your bread and your butter, and you must treat us with more respect, not brush all this under the carpet.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClownSolo
Some people, including Sinister-King, have read Dant's message as 'there will be a full investigation and we will let you know the results'. I read it as 'yes, we screwed up and some of you never had a chance but we'll do better next time'. Next time is not good enough, you must make amends for the mistake you made now. Not by giving us all fabulous prizes, but by explaining how you allowed this to happen in the first place. We need to hear your voice BB, and we need you to hear ours too.
They are obviously cheating, in just 24-48 hours they had gone from 100% to 207%. And all the german servers are jumping up ahead. I think the rward should be given to the servers who haven't cheated.
Can somebody PLEASE explain me how they cheated/exploited if nobody knows the numbers (except bb)? I find no logic in this! :(
I agree. IF there will be a an event such like this one in the future i would think twice to put any effort in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dialecticus
10 eotw for me and we are at 63% on my server.
Perhaps ppl just dropped off after the first two days when they saw all servers from Poland and Germany fly away.
In football terms we would be scotland or wales in the World Cup. We now know in events like this one: Don´t bother!
Unless there is a mayor change... somewhere... don´t know where since i just see the board day in day out.
Just like to add one thing!
The new players of this game are the ones most likely to spend money on it. Since they lack all of the fine prices we old ones allready have saved up to in for example previous events or even with cash. We don´t really need to spend so much on the game, we allready did.
BUT!
Will we recommend this game to anyone? will we?
Congratulations EU02 for biggest leap in 1 day ( afternoon score -> morning score ) 7.8 up. This proves that we are still fighting.
Not as good as others like G06 38,1 or G05 34,9 or P01 32,9 or G04 34,4 or all others, except Italians ( WE beat them Yeah ).
I would play on German server but i don't think it is fun server. All they do is EotW.
I think then every server should be given the same presents for winning. Otherwise a lot of players will lose hope of winning next time there is an event.And then there will be no more competition. It's great fun and we are all doing out very best to win, but it has to be fair!
As soon as it became obvious, that other servers had an advantage, then the event should have been scrapped; I have no wish to spend hours of my time striving for something that will never happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by BB_Dantesama
Everybody can make mistakes, but that doesn't mean it's OK to let things go this way. BB, admit there where errors, don't try to hide it! It is really too bad this has happened and you guys are making it even worse!
I feel bad for all those who bought gems to participate in this event and for those who sacrificed their troops to give others a great reward.
Why 'others?' Because the reward of the adventure was garbage and the troop loss (especially for lower leveled players) was extremely high.
Not to mention that the rewards in general where bad as well. Only those who where the first to achieve the 100% and those who ended highest (very likely to be the same server) would have something off this event.
This was an good idea, but not sufficiently worked out and developed.
if its flawed, reward all servers who have taken part with the same prizes. At least those of us who have "wasted" time doing the adventures many times, and those who have donated lots of resources get something out of it.
The effort involved has been immense and it would be a shame not to get something for it, if not satisfaction.
This is just horrible and I feel scammed. What a waste of resources and time when we never actually had a change to get anything.
There is no official news post about this, only forums post which you are lucky to find if you browse around or get direct link. Many people still don't know about this and waste their time for nothing. In-game chat is filled with conspiracy theories and cheat accusations when its obvious and seen from the charts that stuff don't match up.
Some servers have their percentages manually set up between days and no official word about the 2 day trade advantage anywhere except German forums. They admitted it was an advantage and seems Polish server got the 100% first reward too due that.
Horrible, just horrible. Thanks for Dantesama posting some info for us. Now it all depends how will BB event management in Germany react to this as I don't wish to see any more of these events when it's not fair from the beginning.
I've stopped doing the adventure, as have most of my guild. Seems pointless now looking at the score tables. I've only just got the level to complete this adventure without ridiculous losses. I have done 4 of them. How is my server only 20% of the progression those top servers have? We're nowhere near 100%, likely because there are more inactive players or players who don't do adventures or aren't high enough level to do it without crazy losses. At the very least the number for what makes "100%" is not calculated fairly to be balanced between the servers. The older servers with more high level players clearly have a huge advantage
Apart of all what everyone it is posting here it seems that "maybe?" BB it is thinking of pvp between servers...No,this can't be true,it is ridiculous of any one in good mind think that the majority of the servers can come to a pvp with the germans and if you BB really do this I will have no doubt at,if I have any...,that you are giving great rewards to the germans and only them.
There is no chances at all that most of the servers can stand on a pvp against them.
By the way BB are you giving to the germans the rewards of this event??? If so then it is too bad for you and again you show that we can't trust you.In that case obviously you did this for them!!!
And yes,no matter what excuses you come with,they did exploit it!!!
Just look at near 40% in few hours over night,are you trying to say that the whole server was doing adventures all night long??? No one can believe on that!!!
I fully agree with the aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by Kuchuk
lets be rational - it was the first attempt...
lets see what transpires and what action BB now take....
Talking about unfair -- just before the event started, we had an influx of new players who just popped up - some were silly enough to admit, they also play on other servers......and were they playing eotw??? nope
quite simply , they registered to mess with the ratios - (taking advantage of active rule)
And look at the handicaps we got.
Guild chats kept breaking down, generals and buildings disappeared without trace, and we had to wait for the scheduled maintenance to fix the trading mayan advs bug, whereas there was a hotfix elsewhere a day and a half before to fix it, and to top it all, the end time got brought forward 20 hours earlier than we had been told it would end, but that was only announced at the last minute.
I ended up chained to the keyboard trying to rush through the last 3, so I could keep the promise I made.