[Feedback] More space on your home island

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Originally Posted by Saraptheold

I have to hand it to BB. I was actually very, very pessimistic about this before I saw it on the test server. With that starting point I didn't really expect to be disappointed and still they not only managed to disappoint me, but even give me that sinking feeling in the stomach that you get when all goes wrong.

This is the only builder game I've played, where you can't chop down forests and replant them where it suits you best. In some of the games you can tear down mountains, even the ones you need and shouldn't. It will cost a lot of time and in game resources. In settlers online we have a lot of forests and stone and shrubbery and rivers and whatnot that we don't really need, in places where they only obstruct good city planning. And now BB tells us that we can only remove some of the useless stones and only the ones they have decided. You do not get to decide where you want to make some open space. The trees stays where the trees are. The waterways can not be drained to make new land. And still they have the audacity to demand real money for this. A lot of real money.

I wonder how someone at BB would react if they bought an expensive cake for their kids birthday and the confectioner told them to come and get the glazing maybe a year from now. Then when a year had passed they would have to pay extra for the glazing wich only covers half the cake and taste like bile. This is how I feel we are being treated. I'm going to play the game as it is and you can eat your own glazing BB. I'm not even sure if I want it if it's free.

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Hello guys!

The thread 'More space on island' has been merged here :).

Thank you,
Sinister-King

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Originally Posted by Steve1077

Did anyone honestly think this would be free? It's a free game but there's always going to be premium content

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I did not expect it to be free at all. But with the limited amount of building licenses in the game, who needs the extra space? The ones who have several buildings that don't need licenses. And how have they come by those buildings? Someone has payed for them, either them selves or others, with real money.

In my opinion this feature should have been much better than it is, should have been a part of the game from the very beginning and it is already payed for. Still we would have to pay 27€ clearing away a few rocks. And when those are cleared away, the tree stumps are still there!!?? Huh??

I have mentioned earlier, in another thread, that this is the game that I have spent the most money on. For the same amount of money I could have bought several copies of other games and given it as gifts to friends and family.

This is an online low grade flash game. I don't expect it to be free. I expect it to be cheaper than other games and I expect us to get what we have already payed for and, last but not least, I will not ever pay 27€ this pure garbage feature.

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Originally Posted by Saraptheold

I did not expect it to be free at all. But with the limited amount of building licenses in the game, who needs the extra space? The ones who have several buildings that don't need licenses. And how have they come by those buildings? Someone has payed for them, either them selves or others, with real money.

In my opinion this feature should have been much better than it is, should have been a part of the game from the very beginning and it is already payed for. Still we would have to pay 27€ clearing away a few rocks. And when those are cleared away, the tree stumps are still there!!?? Huh??

I have mentioned earlier, in another thread, that this is the game that I have spent the most money on. For the same amount of money I could have bought several copies of other games and given it as gifts to friends and family.

This is an online low grade flash game. I don't expect it to be free. I expect it to be cheaper than other games and I expect us to get what we have already payed for and, last but not least, I will not ever pay 27€ this pure garbage feature.

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Then don't buy the extra feature you don't wish to have. A large part of the game is resource and space management, which is all part of the challenge. Should you have a free placement sandbox in a clear square island, there is far less importance given to perfect placement, something that I and others have spent a lot of time trying to perfect.

Clearing the rocks gives another view on something that could give us extra performance, but your cake analogy seems a bit off (if you pardon the pun). It'd be more like getting a free cake from the store, then complaining that you don't want it to read "Happy Birthday" and wanted it to read "Welcome Home". Then complained when they tell you "well yeah, but that'll cost you extra".

I know I will be doing this, simply because I like what the extra space offers me in return for the gems it's costing, but that's part of the whole free choice thing you have in the game (along with other premium items like Silos, Watermills and Additional Building Licences).

Hello everyone,
I just had the opportunity to test yesterday the whole bring-down-the-mountains option.
A couple of things:
1 - I experienced a few bugs in the test server. Even though I purchased all available crews and used them - somehow some went missing and I could not clear all removables from the home island.
2 - I think the addition of some extra space is a good one for players that need it/want it.
3 - I think the price is a bit too high though. For two main reasons:
a) Looking at what is to be removed we expect getting a lot of free space. A mountain is a mountain after all, IMHO you should get enough space for quite a few buildings (5 or 6, I would say) - and you don't.
b) Perhaps more importantly, the spaces you get are still quite obstructed and patchy. This was to me the crux of the whole thing. I was expecting a nice clean swab of land where I could place a storehouse dead centre and sort out some production buildings around it. And this was not to happen in every single removal zone... Personally I think it's fair if you want to charge players to increase their islands capacity and efficiency but then, please, allow them to do just that. Make these zones more user friendly so that those of us who decide to go down that route do feel that it was a worthwhile investment. Make it appealling rather than a last-resort measure, I would say.

And I also think the option to remove and re-plant trees should definitely be given at some point in the not-too-far future! It would allow for a lot more extra room, yes - but also give the opportunity to many players to re-plan and re-think their island. Which to me means, having more people playing the game longer and more happily.

Thanks for your time!
nim.

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Originally Posted by peck_ed

Then don't buy the extra feature you don't wish to have.

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Well, I just said that I won't.

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Originally Posted by peck_ed

A large part of the game is resource and space management, which is all part of the challenge. Should you have a free placement sandbox in a clear square island, there is far less importance given to perfect placement, something that I and others have spent a lot of time trying to perfect.

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True. So why will BB not allow us to choose what stones that doesn't contain deposits to remove. There are still quite a few pieces of rubble in s9 that some might find more suitable to remove than the ones that we are allowed to. And why on earth is there a tiny pond right next to the mayors house that can be done nothing with? Why is it that we can't remove a certain number of tree stumps. Not all, just a few that stands in the way of good production lines? If I could choose what to remove (a limited amount of either trees, stone, waterways) I might pay for it. The element of planning also could take us to a point where we might want to loose one out of eight gold deposit forever just to have what we consider the perfect wheat production line. (I wouldn't do that, but if I did and regretted it, buying back that deposit is something I would pay 13k gems for, maybe more.)

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Originally Posted by peck_ed

Clearing the rocks gives another view on something that could give us extra performance, but your cake analogy seems a bit off (if you pardon the pun). It'd be more like getting a free cake from the store, then complaining that you don't want it to read "Happy Birthday" and wanted it to read "Welcome Home". Then complained when they tell you "well yeah, but that'll cost you extra".

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The cake is most certainly not free and when you pay for text on the cake you do certainly not get the text you want. Even if you pay more than to the confectioner next door who let you have exactly the text you want.

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Originally Posted by peck_ed

I know I will be doing this, simply because I like what the extra space offers me in return for the gems it's costing, but that's part of the whole free choice thing you have in the game (along with other premium items like Silos, Watermills and Additional Building Licences).

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Water mills, silos, additional building licenses and let me add endless copper mines, deer stalker and premium adventures is what I have been spending several hundred euros on. I think it's too expensive, but I have not complained about it. This time it's different.

Please don't tell me again that my cake is free.

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Originally Posted by Saraptheold

I did not expect it to be free at all. But with the limited amount of building licenses in the game, who needs the extra space? The ones who have several buildings that don't need licenses. And how have they come by those buildings? Someone has payed for them, either them selves or others, with real money.

In my opinion this feature should have been much better than it is, should have been a part of the game from the very beginning and it is already payed for. Still we would have to pay 27€ clearing away a few rocks. And when those are cleared away, the tree stumps are still there!!?? Huh??

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I have a full island and 55 licenses left, and yes Ive spent plenty of money, but as I have 8 gem pits and have nothing that needs upgrading this will be free for me :)

The space generated around border s6/s9 and top of s9 will be just what I'm looking for long term. The overall cost of removing all the rocks seems a little pricey given that some give very limited value, the rocks in s7 behind coal mines are very poor value I think.

As mentioned it would be nice if there was a small charge to take out individual tree stumps, but that may come in the future. BB should be applauded for at least listening to the community and offering some sort of solution to the space problem some have.

Longer term I still like to see another Island, I just like building stuff.

Something to remember is so far we've only seen a test version of rock removal, which may just be a test of the functionality of the ka-booms, and not of the final methods to purchase them.

I hope you are right there Hairy. And I hope the prices were a test too.

I hope I'm right too. But there's a nagging doubt, growing like a malignant tuna, that I'm wrong. ::fish:: grrr

What is on test most probably comes to live servers as well... 99,9999999% sure of that. Especially the prices will come.

nice feature for the serious player wishing for something to waste thier real life cash on.....disappointing for the freeloaders who wont pay for it.
soon the gap between the have and have nots will be so great people will just leave and BB will get thier goal of having paying customers only playing thier "free game"..lmao

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Originally Posted by Hairy

growing like a malignant tuna, that I'm wrong. ::fish:: grrr

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a malignant tuna, I like that, that's a great idea. :D :D :D

I may have missed the plot here - but does clearing rubble / mountains etc also give you extra licences ? Otherwise I'd just have more empty plots ...

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Originally Posted by ATHTHEMANIAC

nice feature for the serious player wishing for something to waste thier real life cash on.....disappointing for the freeloaders who wont pay for it.
soon the gap between the have and have nots will be so great people will just leave and BB will get thier goal of having paying customers only playing thier "free game"..lmao

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They won't want only paying customers. That's not a feasible model for them to use. Free players do have an affect, they make the game more alive, their interactions and productions help the paying players too.

A few extra spots aren't really going to make a big difference, your island has quite a lot of spaces already, having a few less than someone willing to spend that kind of money (who will be in the minority, even for those who do pay) isn't going to make a significant difference.

We should be able to build on de-forested area. There is so much space wasted by forest. Once cut down it frees up a huge amount of land that can't be built on. We should be able to build on these areas. Once a building is destroyed, it would just allow foresters to rebuild the forest.

Firstly. There are a lot of topic with same sigh, probably with this tipical title, not so far ago on the rock and mountain removing.
Secondly. More space also will run out after a short while, so instead of permanent construction it's recommended to be staid and watchful in balancing production chains. These forests needed for further buildings, so what is the sense fluctuating between forests/buildings in the same place? Buildings also upgradable, so you can produce more without additional space needed. Level 50 reachable on the basis of this building space as well, also adventuring.
Thirdly. To use up entirely the actual building places needs a lot of licences... So what for the game? To relax, try out your skills, well perform tasks, find out how to reach certain targets --- or just simply spend money as much you can?

I think BB are doing the right thing removing some of the rocks that have no use rather than tree's which are usefull, but who knows, maybe one day they will give you the option to also remove tree's, but don't hold your breath

More space will also run out is ridiculous. Less space would run out too so that's just a ridiculous thing to say. Maybe the reason to have more space isn't just to cram a load more buildings in, but rather to open nicer areas up. There are a load of places where a single tree ruins a nice 9 building block of space. Removing rocks is OK but that is really just to cram in a few more buildings, they aren't blocking nice areas

One has to take into account the limits of possibilities. What can not be solved on this space, will not succeed with few more space. And a nicely decorated island without trees... a matter of taste.

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Originally Posted by Brankovics

One has to take into account the limits of possibilities. What can not be solved on this space, will not succeed with few more space. And a nicely decorated island without trees... a matter of taste.

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This is patently false. This is literally as wrong as it's possible to be about something.

If there's an issue that can't be solved because of a lack of space, then extra space is exactly what will make it succeed.

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Originally Posted by EctoRune

If there's an issue that can't be solved because of a lack of space, then extra space is exactly what will make it succeed.

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Or must understand the limits and search another targets. I just mean building spaces can not be increased dinamically on a finite area. If an extremely growing economy stops due to the lack of building space, will reach the limits of growing with a further few space too. Even if pine forests are dispensable for higher level buildings, nor hard wood required for expert buildings, the mines and scinence system still require such resources. So without its production an economic system is very heavily reliant to trade. IMO this is a very high degree of uncertainty, does not meter what to buy: building materials or directly products. Ok, such system can work well under intensive control, on high maintanence costs. Seems to be better terms with the limits, strive for balance and build a working-alone system, or at least minimize the need for intervention.

The only possibility of dinamically increase the production area is some kind colonization on more islands. It should be relation with PvP, otherwise it gets boring, confusing and hard to handle. If it comes, the number of islands could be almost infinite. In such case the other players intentions and acts give the limits. But then a reliable economic system is much highly recommended...

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Originally Posted by Brankovics

Or must understand the limits and search another targets. I just mean building spaces can not be increased dinamically on a finite area.

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I don't know what you mean by dinamically, but the fact of the matter is, more space is a good thing. An improvement doesn't have to be perfect, or solve all possible issues, to be worth doing. Clearing cliffs is a good first possibility, but there are plenty other good ideas. There's no reason it wouldn't be possible to expand the islands by implementing the ability to build dikes or synthetic islands and bridges. There's no good reason area should be finite.

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Originally Posted by Brankovics

If an extremely growing economy stops due to the lack of building space, will reach the limits of growing with a further few space too.

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So what? Being able to grow to size x+a bit is still better than being locked at x.

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Originally Posted by Brankovics

Even if pine forests are dispensable for higher level buildings, nor hard wood required for expert buildings, the mines and scinence system still require such resources. So without its production an economic system is very heavily reliant to trade. IMO this is a very high degree of uncertainty, does not meter what to buy: building materials or directly products. Ok, such system can work well under intensive control, on high maintanence costs. Seems to be better terms with the limits, strive for balance and build a working-alone system, or at least minimize the need for intervention.

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This is pointless hand wringing. You need a grand total of one source of each type of wood on your island to have full production. All the rest could be removable with no adverse effects. You could even allow foresters to start up new deposits to make sure nobody ever loses the ability to produce wood.

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Originally Posted by Brankovics

The only possibility of dinamically increase the production area is some kind colonization on more islands. It should be relation with PvP, otherwise it gets boring, confusing and hard to handle. If it comes, the number of islands could be almost infinite. In such case the other players intentions and acts give the limits. But then a reliable economic system is much highly recommended...

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That's a ridiculous claim. Increasing building room could be done in any number of ways. Integration with a PvP system would be interesting for those of us who like the idea of PvP, but disastrous for the very large part of the player base who want nothing to do with PvP.

I don't understand why you keep posting these weird, incoherent criticisms of other people's suggestions. Are you just here to be contrarian?

May be dreaming, but the fact is the area is finite at the moment. And one should term with facts. And exuse me, till now, I didn't write it is pointless what you force, but now. You are dreaming, and don't want understand the nature of limits. More space wil not break the limits. "No good reason", "being able to grow" etc. means you don't want play *this* game. You want the game of endless possibilities, but anyhow this is a game of limitations and how to solve them.

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Originally Posted by EctoRune

I don't understand why you keep posting these weird, incoherent criticisms of other people's suggestions. Are you just here to be contrarian?

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Please focus on the essentials, to the content, and refrain from personal attacks. It is just childis.

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Originally Posted by Brankovics

May be dreaming, but the fact is the area is finite at the moment. And one should term with facts. And exuse me, till now, I didn't write it is pointless what you force, but now. You are dreaming, and don't want understand the nature of limits. More space wil not break the limits. "No good reason", "being able to grow" etc. means you don't want play *this* game. You want the game of endless possibilities, but anyhow this is a game of limitations and how to solve them.

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Are you serious? This is the suggestions forum. This is where we post what how we would like to see the game improved. If "well that's not how this game is" is a valid argument against a suggestion, then nothing will ever change.

"I would like to see an improvement to the interface so I don't have to click so many times in the provision house"
"Well that's too bad. Stop dreaming and term with the facts(????) This is a game of clicking in the provision house over and over again. If you want a game where you don't have to click several thousand times in the provision house for special events, that means you don't want to play *this game*. You want the game of no provision house clicking. But this is a game of provision house clicking, and how to click it."

What a joke.

Time to put an end to this discussion before it becomes to personal.

EctoRune obviously thinks it would be an improvement to get more space so that's a valid suggestion.
Brankovics's opinion on this suggestion is that it would make balancing your island less important and thus the game less interesting.

Leave it at that please, both opinions are just as valid.

If the limited building space is a gameplay thing then fine, I'd like to clear out those ugly tree stumps just visually out of the way. And yeah I'd lose some tree deposits but so what, I have like a million of them.

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I have always made my views on more building space clear. More building space will not solve anything long term. An economy can be perfectly balanced (or near enough) within the current available building area. More space will be used to max and then those who have filled it will again be screaming for more.

Still seeing as it becoming a feature the. Hell yeah make those who really want it pay through the nose for it :D

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Originally Posted by Gytha_Ogg

I have always made my views on more building space clear. More building space will not solve anything long term. An economy can be perfectly balanced (or near enough) within the current available building area. More space will be used to max and then those who have filled it will again be screaming for more.

Still seeing as it becoming a feature the. Hell yeah make those who really want it pay through the nose for it :D

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This post = no sense at all.

You folks keep forgetting that since the initial release we've had how many new buildings? village schools, deerstalkers, book binder, 6 science buildings, fairy castle, gold tower, magnificent residences and quite some statues, decos. At the same time the starting island stayed THE SAME... the balance is out the window at this point unless you want to say that the new content should not be used...

Any news on this BB?

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Originally Posted by stefanceltare

This post = no sense at all.

You folks keep forgetting that since the initial release we've had how many new buildings? village schools, deerstalkers, book binder, 6 science buildings, fairy castle, gold tower, magnificent residences and quite some statues, decos. At the same time the starting island stayed THE SAME... the balance is out the window at this point unless you want to say that the new content should not be used...

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I have all 6 science buildings, 3 schools, all the extra buildings from every event plus the extra recycling manufactories that were handed out. The only things I am missing are fairy tale castle and mag residence. Still loads of land left for me. Might go and place even more decorations on my island just to fill it out a bit. :p

I had to pull stuff just to get the pumpkins in

Do we have a date for this update? :)

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Originally Posted by MonOlykos

Do we have a date for this update? :)

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This

They do seem to be taking a while, still not even an updated version on test

knowing our luck we still got a a fair wait as they will want the xmas event out the way then think oh i know lets give them rocks blowing up in a month with no special date inside it for something to do.
thing is were waiting for it and even with halloween event just gone and xmas to come personally, I still have no room on my island so will be missing out on buildings again i guess
also asking for confirmation of dates i have never known BB to say that you will get this on this date when we want something, they normally say this is what your getting on this date whether you like it or not

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Originally Posted by lulu10093

knowing our luck we still got a a fair wait as they will want the xmas event out the way then think oh i know lets give them rocks blowing up in a month with no special date inside it for something to do.
thing is were waiting for it and even with halloween event just gone and xmas to come personally, I still have no room on my island so will be missing out on buildings again i guess
also asking for confirmation of dates i have never known BB to say that you will get this on this date when we want something, they normally say this is what your getting on this date whether you like it or not

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This is unacceptable...We need the update asap... I too have space issues especially now with the awesome x3 storages... I was forced to demolish all my marble and stone production and spent about 4k coins in relocating stuff to make room for a few i bought...

It is a much needed update and i would rather have it before the xmas event even if that meant delay the event for 2 or more weeks...

SO AGAIN.... ANY UPDATES ON TIME PLEASE BB???