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That's going to be very strange then. What happens if you have no unemployed settlers. Also if your population goes down by 2 and you are using bread to make settlers you have to use twice as much bread to get back to the same population number you had before the loses?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stopps
Fantastic!
After 5 BN,1 Traitors and 1 VTV, i had to add 6x625 and 2x700 population cards to make my army again.+ brew+weapons+bread.
1 Pirates cost me ~336 pop, and i loose only 168R to the adv!!!!
Lets all go on strike.....
I will. no adv until the bug fix. and i want my bread back:P
only rebuild what you lost, not twice what you lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAT_akiss
If you do so you will also go over your population limit and that would be a very silly thing to do right now
If you do go over your population limit, kill those troops of before they will be taken away during a maintenance.
I'm guessing this is what's happening:
The game sees troops in adventures as missing on your home island and so deducts them from your population. (unlike before when they were missing in the assigned/unassigned count, but still accounted for in the full count).
Then when adventures complete, troop losses are deducted as normal.
so you end up with the appearance of double losses.
For instance:
you have population 1500, 500 workers and 1k troops. You send 1k troops away. Now the game thinks you only have 500 pop because it is only counting what's in the home zone.
You kill 600 troops on adventure. 400 come home and are added back to the 500 workers because the game 'sees' them again in the home zone = 900, but then the game deducts your troop losses as normal.
All of a sudden your pop is down to 300.
Yes... this seems to be the way it is for me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stopps
This is gonna cause even worse problems than the last population bug.... I can just feel it!
If this is the case, then it's possible to have a negative population. Unless of course it gets stuck at zero population. Has anyone tried this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_B
I've just did a couple of Black Knights as well as the Valiant Little Tailor yesterday in premium time for which I spent a lot of gold and granite to buy bread to make population. I was just pumping population in to make the most of the premium time left and didn't notice the extra losses (dumb, I know). That's a lot of resources down the drain unless they can replace them all with the fix.
you aren't losing double troops, you are only altering some numbers that the game records for your population. You will only lose resources if you rebuild troops to max pop. Keep a track of your actual losses. replace only what you lose and ignore the tooltip.
by my calculation my population is 1347 over. My population limit is 5490.
I have 4700 unassigned troops, 577 in the barracks, 213 workers and 1 unemployed, a total of 5490.
However my population count is 973 short of the total and it is showing 474 more unemployed than there should be.
I wasn't paying full attention when I added settlers but I think I added about 400 more than I needed to which means about 10k of bread was wasted.
I have 0 military units now counted with 1200 actual units. What I am concerned about is losing unemployed settlers when this gets fixed, and how this will be handled.
Have to admit didn't really pay attention so not sure if I lost any extra units, but considering I only have enough population for 600 recruits + soldiers etc no such thing as double loss for me, just getting space for ~600 more recruits everytime I do island of the pirates ^^.
hi strike strike ...no fairytale adventure till they fix it ,lol double the population loss for already huge loss adventure, pity on players with premium...
They won't take the troops away, that would be a nightmare to work out which troops should go and how to compensate for the lost resources to build them. If your pop limit is lower than your actual settler count then you just won't generate new settlers until the excess ones die in battle. That means you won't be able to replace dead troops until your population drops low enough too so be careful what you go adventuring with.Quote:
Originally Posted by inyi
ah yes, like they did a while ago when they fixed the population bug, you either need to kill troops or build extra nobles.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainC
no it wasn't wasted, you made *extra* troops. See it as *exploiting* a bug, you will actually get the troops you make.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeaBee1964
So instead of having an amount of, lets say 1k recruits, you can make 1500 recruits.
If that makes sense :p
You lose twice the amount of population when units are killed in adventures. If you lost 100 recruits then 200 pop get deducted. That means you lose half of the population you add with bread. How is that an exploit when you're actually losing stuff...Quote:
Originally Posted by inyi
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example:
you have 3k recruits originally, you do an adventure and kill off 1k recruits.
when you go back to home island all your troops are still there minus the 1k recruits, but the game counts 2k losses.
You rebuild 2k recruits and now you have 4k recruits instead of the original 3k. Repeat this a couple of times
Throw a premium on, race through a mass amount of adventures and rebuild your troops to the original population.
Now where do you lose resources ? For the extra troops you build ?
that's not losing resources, you used the troops in an adventure
Exactly - you are not losing anything. If you choose to exploit the bug and go over your normal pop limit (ignore what the game tells you it is) you are losing nothing, just converting resources into troops as you have always done.
same here
yeap i'm having this problem as well- fast RB with 1300 troop losses ( i have an mma and a mg)- and its a problem because total pop is still the same for me..its just doubling my losses- it wont let me create a bigger army
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same issue here - double population loss.
It's very simple math...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dappadon
If, for example, you lose 500 troops in an adventure, then 1000 pop is being deducted.
That is 500 more pop than you should have to be replacing.
Assuming you don't wait extra time for some of it to replenish by other means, that extra 500 pop costs you 12500 bread to replace.
With a bug like this on the go, I'm beginning to wish I had planned my island with room for schools!
Hiya I have not been following this thread, But giving it some quick thought, If you have no spare population (all assigned to buildings or all trained as troops) then your only losing population cosmetically? Ie the number at the top of the screen? your not actually losing settlers in real time are you?? they are still all working and trained as soldiers? Therefore nothing is really lost??Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzymandeus
What if you have 500 idle population, You would be losing bread then right?
Sorry but you're just wrong. You only have to replace what you actually lose. Ignore what the numbers say. You only lose troops once. It may *appear* that you have lost double, but you haven't. If anything you can save resources, because you can exceed your real max population and still get free settlers using schools, MH and the 1000s of cheese sarnies your artefact searches turn up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzymandeus
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That works fine until you start running below your level of working settlers...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_B
Then you're forced to bring your pop back up in order to replace mines, etc.
I did a whole bunch of adventures (including an FT) before I noticed this bug was happening, so I have already run into this problem.
There's also the issue of what happens when the fix comes in.
I am willing to bet that these 'ghost losses' will have to be replaced before new mines start getting manned as well.
please explain me howQuote:
Originally Posted by Jim_B
example
my population and army
http://i.imgur.com/zLJLEKc.png
if i play few adventures and lose all recruit my populations will be -9657. if i want build any recruits i must use almost 10k settler just to have positive balance another 10k settlers i need for recruits.
also when i lose that 10k R again same things.
if they fix bug with next maintenance by population will be at least 50k or i must stop playing adventures
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Me neither... and it's keeping the current population in positive figures that is costing me more bread that it should.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dappadon
Neither will I build up an army beyond my 'actual' capacity to do so and end up getting caught out like so many did when they suddenly fixed the previous population bug.
I forgot mention with x3 buff is possible make 7200R per day.
5 days x 7200R = 36 000.
this is big problem if you play few adventures per day
I think the trick for you Corona88 may well be not to keep idle population on your home isle, this will stop any potential population loss. I can see straight away from your numbers, that you have not been losing as many as the numbers first suggest because you currently have a population limit of 15067/12470 So yours almost 3k pop better than your max allowance, that suggests although you have been losing double population you haven't actually been losing double troops.
My advice to you would be
1) don't keep idle population (we are all experiencing double population loss, if your keeping idle pop then the extra pop loss will of course come out of that first to prevent this put them in the barrack) The reason some people are saying its no bread loss, its because they don't have idle population.
2) don't use more bread than your actual troop losses.
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after i play few adventures and lose 3K R my populations will be 3957/12470 and will be in my normal pop limit (12k/12,4K), but what after i kill all my recruits?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brayarg
pop limit will be much higher than current 15k if i want rebuild R
That's just it, you haven't been losing all your recruits. You have at worst lost normal amount of troops + idle population. To prevent this try what I mention :)
The reason I know you haven't been losing all your troops, Is if you have you wouldn't have a population limit higher than your max
If you add up your idle pop + army + work force that would = normal everyday population/army no bug - adventure losses, The only thing that is wrong is the population counter at the top of your screen...
that can work if i only lose 1K R per day, but if i want spend all my 7200R(per day) that can't work. not for next 5 daysQuote:
Originally Posted by Brayarg
If I send 200 troops off the dp, and 100 die... I lose
100 troops
100 population --- don't keep idle population.
But the 100 population loss is just lost on the counter, not from actually troops or working settlers. (it will be lost if you have idle population)
A lot of people are seeing this loss and then
+100 settlers from star to regain army
But the army never lost 200 (only lost 100) so we end up with a + population army (like you have)
yea I see what you meanQuote:
Originally Posted by corona88
cause you would go 14400 and need to use 14400 to have 0 again. So its on the larger loss adventures that its an issue. things like outlaws dp etc etc its not an issue, but blt etc it becomes issue