Found an extra camp, with only max 4MS extra losses, it does need the right skills though
Sector 2 Leader: 120SwCl 120DM 1Smart Thief
XP=5240
Mary skills needed (!): 3xCharge 3xAnnex & MasterPlanner
Mary: 4MS 211MM (losses: 2-4MS)
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Found an extra camp, with only max 4MS extra losses, it does need the right skills though
Sector 2 Leader: 120SwCl 120DM 1Smart Thief
XP=5240
Mary skills needed (!): 3xCharge 3xAnnex & MasterPlanner
Mary: 4MS 211MM (losses: 2-4MS)
2nd Thief (exapnded :) ) evil-j skilled CoA map as base
Basically the camps I founf where an uskileld and skileld amry can reasonably kill. I've not bothered with 100+ elite unit loss wins, too expensive IMO.
kill these before tackling L1 and L2
C1 5.2k XP
Mary 30Msw 170+ MM, loss <30 Msw
C2 5.5k XP
Mary 30Msw 170+ MM, loss <30 Msw
unlisted camp 100 Horseman 100 stone cannon 5.8k XP
Mary 40Msw 160 MM loss <40Msw
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L3 1.7k XP
Mary 5Msw 195MM, loss <5sw
skilled* Mary 5 Msw 210 MM, loss 1-2 Msw
* key skills are Garrison Annex and Overrun to cut down loss from 4 to 1-2
L4 2.8k XP
Mary 45MSw 25Kn 130+B, loss ~45Msw <15Kn (double Anslem losses)
I don't recommend using Mary here as it's only shade under 3k extra
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unlisted camp 90 dune marksmen 90 stone cannon 5.5k XP
Mary 200MM no loss
C7 5.9k XP (~1k XP lost to W1)
W1: any 125(+) Bows W2: unskilled Mary 200MM, loss 125 Bows
(+) skills on general or Mary will cut losses and increase XP, do your numbers
skilled Mary* 215MM no loss
*need Garrison Annex x3, Unstoppable charge x3, Master Planner
C8 6.2k XP
W1: any 200C, W2: 30 Msw 170 MM, loss 200C 30 Msw (lose <800XP to W1)
skilled* Mary 40Msw 175 MM, loss <40Msw
*need Master Planner and Garrison Annex x3
L7 5.4k XP
Mary 200MM no loss
L8 ~3.4k XP after W1
W1: skilled Nusala* 180C, W2: skilled Mary 26 Msw 38 AM 151 MM, loss 180C 26 Msw
*2x Jugger, 3x Unstoppable charge, 3x Garrison Annex as "active" skills
shade over 201k, XP no prem but (almsot) all gens +30% where not Mary +30%.
English combat sim site that have Mary: http://en.tsomaps.com/adv-calc
Updated 1st thief a bit with some options.
On L2 on evil j map of YWC you can use mary mine is skilled 75MS 60AM 80MM kills it with a loss of 29MS
Nords
Using Mary with no skills to attack 6 camps adds about 5k experience
S1: last guard before leader Mary 200xb (no losses)
S2: Northern camp (150K) can be skipped but Mary 200xb (no losses)
S3: 1st guard around leader (75V) Mary 200c (no losses)
S4 Southern camp (50H 25V) can be skipped but Mary 65c 135xb (no losses)
S5 Right guard camp (150K) Mary 200xb (no losses)
S5 Left guard camp (150V) Mary 200c (no losses)
Probably a few lower level adventures where Mary can be useful
Bracewell
Thank you.
Here are my remarks or questions.
I'm not sure which camp in S1 Nords you mean :)
In this sector, you can use unskilled Mary [1ES 69Cav 130XBow] on the very first camp [100 Karl, 50 Valkyrie] worth 750XP.
In S3, you're right, but this camp has only 225XP, better to use Mary [200XB] on the camp below Leader, [75 Housecarl] worth 750XP
If you only want to attack one camp in S5, choose Mary 200XB to attack the 150 Karl worth 900XP (the Valkyrie camp is 450 XP).
Of course there are more camps for Mary to hit (sector 1 has most camps in double versions, for 1st (left side) and 2nd (right side) player landzones - only Wolf Trap and Leader are single camps). Before Leader 2 there's camp [50 Housecarl, 50 Valkyrie] where unskilled Mary [1ES 69Cav 130XBow] can get the extra 650XP, but this would mean using Mary 2-3 times in each sector, which would slow you down.
mary xmas for nords (unskilled), some extra camps can be killed but dont need to be, gives extra 7k xp.
a = crossbowman
c = cavalry
e = elite soldier
r = recruit
be careful of intercepts
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808k xp Wisdom No ROA
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing
close to 800ms lost, really don't recommend it.
anyone found a guide for Suprise Attack yet for the mary gen? :)
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Princess:
evil-j 2.0 version skilled map
this is mostly a summary, it got late at the end and I was on a hurry for prem, 1.2 million XP :)
Several attacks will depend on how many suicides you can do.
C3: 5670 XP
skilled Mary 35MSw 180 MM, loss ~35 Msw
unskilledMary 55Msw 145MM, loss 53 Msw
C6: 5670 XP
skilled Mary 35MSw 180 MM, loss ~35 Msw
unskilled Mary 55Msw 145MM, loss 53 Msw
L5: 22450 XP
W1: skilled Mary* 60 K, skilled Mary 35 Msw 179 AM, loss 60K, ~34 MSw
*doesn't matter how W1 looks you need to kill all the Boatswain is all Sim It!, I wanted the XP and was done for the evening so used Mary
C7: 4590 XP (not recommended)
un/skilled Mary 75 Msw 130B+, loss ~70 Msw
L7: 13210 XP ca 12000 XP after W1-2
W1: Vet 125Rec 125Bow
W2: gen 125Rec 75 Bows
make sure you get less than 110 Battle hardened sailors
W3: skilled Mary 55 Msw 160 AM
C9: 4590 XP (not recommended)
un/skilled Mary 75 Msw 130B+, loss ~70 Msw
L8: 15590 XP (~1700 XP lost in W1)
W1: Any 200Bows (or less depending generel used/skill he has, Sim it!)
W2: skilled Mary 15 Msw 200 AM, loss 200bows ~10Msw
C10: 6870XP
W1: any 70R 125Bows, W2: skilled Mary 15 MM 200AM, loss 70r 125bows
W1: any 200Bows, W2: unskilled Mary 15 Msw 10 MM 175 AM, loss 200Bows, ~13Msw
C12: 6350 XP (W1 takes away about 1k XP)
W1: MMA 220 cav* W2: skilled Mary 20 Msw, 15 M, 115 AM, 65 MM, loss 220 cav ~15Msw <15M
* MMA skills can change this, you need 1 marksman for every Boatstwain left after W1.
skilled MMA 235cav W2: skilled Mary 15 Msw, 5 M, 100 AM, 95 MM, loss 235 cav, <15Msw, <5M
unlisted camp 270 Petty Officer 2nd Class 4590 XP
skilled Mary 215MM, no loss
w1: any 25rec 10bows, w2: unskilled Mary 200 MM, loss 25rec 10bows
unlisted camp 270 Battle Hardened Sailor 7020 XP
skilled Mary 53MSw 162MM, ~53MSw loss
C13 6830 XP
skilled Mary 40 Msw, 70 AM, 105 MM. loss ~40 Msw
W1: any 130Bows, unskilled Mary 40Msw 70 AM 90 MM, loss ~40Msw
C16: 5190 XP (300-1100 XP lost in W1)
w1: 45 bows, W2: skilled Mary 215 MM, loss 45 bows
w1: 170 bows, W2: unskilled Mary 200MM, 170bows loss
C17: 5390 XP
W1:MMA 145C, W2: skilled Mary 15MSw 200 MM
C19: 7290 XP
W1: 177 Bows, W2: skilled Mary 215 MM
unlisted camp 120 Sailor 150 Petty Officer 2nd Class 7020 XP
Drac 20r, skilled Mary 215 MM
C23: 5780 XP
Waves of as many MMAs you've got.
skilled Mary 25- 30-45 Msw 170-180-190 MM, will depend on how many suicides you've done
C27 & C28 7290 XP
W1:any 200rec, skilled Mary 215 MM
C29 : 7180 XP
skilled Mary 35Msw 20 MM 160AM
unlisted camp 170 Sailor, 100 Petty Officer 2nd Class , 5270 XP
W1 80recs W2 skilled Mary 215 MM
This was posted a couple of days ago.
Making 20 attacks with the same general is a little exaggerated :)
Oillamp
Numbers from evilj skilled map, and no I'm not going to translate them into wiki or anything else, do your own work ppl!
skilled Mary as mentioned before, again finished late at night so, you know, may contain typos.
C1: 5220 XP
skilled Mary 215 MM no loss
W1 any 75rec 50bows*, W2: unskilled Mary 99AM 101MM, loss 75recs 50bows
* setup of atack doens't matter, recs bows, many combination posible, target is 88 or less sailors
C2: 6500 XP
any 200Bows, skilled Mary 29 Msw 186 MM, loss 200bows, 28Msw
any 200Bows, unskilled Mary 40 Msw 160 MM, loss 200bows, 38Msw
L1: 11870 XP
skilled Mary 71Msw 144B, loss ~70Msw
unskilled Mary 80Msw 120B, loss 80Msw
L2: 4360 XP
skilled Mary 40 AM 175 MM, no loss
C6: 4540 XP
skilled Mary 23MSw 167K 25B, loss 21Msw <60Kn
unskilled Mary 33Msw 107Kn 60B, loss 32Msw 60Kn
C11: 7020 XP
any 200Bows, skilled Mary 37 Msw 178 MM, loss 200bows,36Msw
C13: 5070 XP
gen 25recs, W2: skilled Mary 215 MM
L5: 12800 XP
skilled MMA 1cav, W2 skilled Mary 50Msw 60Kn 105B
unlisted camp 240 Cannon Master 6480 XP (500-1000 XP lost in W1)
W1: gen 130B* W2: Mary 200AM
*target ~200 cannoners
W1 gen 60B, W2:skilled Mary 215 MM
C15: 4620 XP
skilled Mary 215 MM
W1 gen 50Bows, W2: Mary 200 MM
unlisted camp 270 Cannon Master 7290 XP (500-1000 XP lost in W1)
W1: Vet 230B* W2: Mary 200AM
*target ~200 cannoners
W1 gen 175B, W2:skilled Mary 215 MM
L9: 14000-15000 XP after waves
W1-W2 total 400 bows, can split thme into W1-2 however you want
W3: skilled Mary 15MSw 133AM 67MM, loss 15Msw
C17: 6840 XP
skilled Mary 57Msw 20AM 138MM
C18: 6670 XP
skilled Mary 35Msw 180MM
unlisted camp 270 Cannon Master 7290 XP (500-1000 XP lost in W1)
W1: Vet 230B* W2: Mary 200AM
*target ~200 cannoners
W1 gen 175B*, W2:skilled Mary 215 MM
*target <220 cannoners
C19: 4190 XP
skilled Mary 20 Msw 195MM, loss 20Msw
C22: 4050 XP
skilled Mary 25Msw 45B 145Kn, loss ~24Msw ~40Kn
Mary 32Msw 118Kn 50B, loss ~30Msw ~45Kn
C23: 7020 xP
skilled Mary 53MSw 162MM, loss 53Msw
C25: 6590 XP
W1: 95 bows, W2: skilled Mary 215 MM
W1: 181bows W2: Mary 199AM 1MM
has anyone used Mary on a Fisherman Venture yet? just after a general idea of how many camps could potentially use her on ?
Is it possible to kill C2 and L1, and C8 and L3 on YWC (using Evil-j camp numbers) with skilled Mary?
Yes, with Evil's skills (Overrun-3, Annex-3, Master Planner) you can do it.
One attack, with intercept.
C2+L1 with Mary 48MoS 166MoM 1Bes [no loss on C2, 46MoS loss on L1]
L1 has only 3.9k basic XP, but if you don't have Anslem (24MoS losses), the losses (up to 46MoS) are like that with any other general.
One attack, with intercept.
C8+L3 with Mary 40MoS 159MoM 1Bes [no loss on C8, 38MoS loss on L3]
L3 has 4.6k basic XP, and you can have the following losses there: Mary 38MoS - Major 31MoS - Anslem 20MoS
1 Besieger added to make sure that camp destruction time is always 10 seconds, I don't remember the duration of the blocks, so better safe than sorry (especially if you use BHG for C1 block).
He must have the same losses as me in the post a little earlier, so 38MS (80 Horsemen will kill 30MS and you can't kill the Boss in first strike phase of round 1 with Mary, so 8 MS more)
Sinbad and the Besieged City - up to 66k extra XP (85.6k with Fast Learner-3) and 115 MS extra losses.
Version "Light" (C3, C5, C16, L14, C23, C27, C30) = 42.2k XP (54.8k XP with Fast Learner-3), but only 43MS extra losses.
Skilled Mary Christmas (Master Planner, Annex-3, Charge-3, Overrun-3).
An "add-on" to Evil_J's guide to Besieged City (Skilled CoA guide):Before you move all generals to the opposite site of the map, you may use Mary to destroy Leader 14 (from land zone).
C3) 80 Sailor, 70 Petty Offficer, 70 Cannon Master = 4.7k XP
Mary 200MoM
C5) 40 Sailor, 200 Petty Officer = 4.2k XP
Mary 200MoM
C7) 90 Battle Hardened Sailor, 50 Mounted Sailor, 90 Cannon Master = 5.6k XP
Mary 36MoS 140ArM 39MoM (losses double compared with Major)
off topic: C8 can be blocked - Look in spoiler (double block on C8 & C9, attacking Leader 2 & Leader 3 at the same time)
Spoiler
C16) 270 Petty Officer = 4.5k XP
Mary 185MoM
Leader 11) 250 Mounted Sailor, 1 Steersman = 12.5k XP
Mary 85MoS 130Bes [loss: 81MoS, 41MS more than Anslem, I'm not sure if it's worth it]
Leader 14) 200 Battle Hardened Sailor, 1 Steersman = 13.5k XP
Mary 50MoS 165MoM (losses are 28MS more than with Major, but it's a good deal for 13.5k raw XP)
C23) 120 Sailor, 120 Petty Officer = 4.5k XP
Mary 200MoM
C26) 120 Battle Hardened Sailor, 150 Mounted Sailor = 5.6k XP
Mary 63MoS 152Bes (losses are 17MS more than Anslem/Major, I'm not sure if it's worth it])
C27) 70 Stick Ape, 50 Alpha Ape = 5.4k XP
Mary 4MoS 106ArM 105MoM
C30) 130 Sailor, 130 Mounted Sailor = 5.4k XP
Mary 40MoS 130MoM 30Bes [losses:35MoS, 11 more than Anslem]
2 extra options, but more messy:
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thx Kris, this battle system is very complicated :)
Sinbad and the Sea Snake - up to 39.7k extra XP (51.6k with Fast Learner-3) and 449Rec 30Bow (or 367Bow) + 14MS extra losses.
Version "Light" (only 1-wave attacks) = 15.2k XP (19.8k XP with Fast Learner-3), 4MS extra losses.
Skilled Mary Christmas (Master Planner, Annex-3, Charge-3, Overrun-3).
An "add-on" to Evil_J's guide to Sea Snake (Skilled CoA guide):Before you move all generals to the opposite site of the map, you may use Mary to destroy one camp (from land zone).
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Land zone
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Not numbered Camp (150 Petty Off., 120 Cannon Master) = 5.8k XP
Mary 4MoS 211MoM
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Sector 1
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Below C1 there are 2 camps normally not attacked (you can attack them while other generals do their jobs):
Not numbered Camp (100 Sailor, 150 Petty Off.) = 4.6k XP
Mary 4MoS 211MoM [no loss]
Not numbered Camp (250 Cannon Master) = ca. 6k XP left for wave-2
wave-1 Any 110Rec /or/ 84Bow (must kill 25 Cannon Master)
wave-2 Mary 4MoS 211MoM
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Sector 2
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C7: 100 Sailor 90 Mounted Sailor 70 Petty Officer = 4.8k XP
Mary 25MoS 190MoM
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Sector 3
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off topic: C16 can be blocked
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Sector 5
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C25: 250 Sailor = ca. 4.6k XP left for wave-2
wave-1 Any 119Rec /or/ 88Bow (must kill 27 Sailor)
wave-2 Mary 2MoS 213MoM
Leader 13: 270 Cannon Master 1 Steersman = ca. 13.9k XP left for wave-2
w-1 Any 195Bow /or/ Vet 220Rec 30Bow (must kill 60 Cannon Master)
w-2 Mary 12MoS 203ArM
Mary Christmas general is introduced like double XP general and with Fast learner skill, she brings 30% more XP.
I skilled her 3 jog, 3 juggernaut, 3 hostile takeover and 3 Fast learner and from YWC I got 30k XP over the top and 300 mercenary recruits.
Well, why not to try to reskill Anslem and one of MGs for hostile takeover as well. Traveling speed was sacrificed and was expected to get more mercs.
YWC, C2: 110 Desert Marksman, 100 Stone Cannon, and the result was completely confusing, MC brings 60 mercenaries , MG - 27. Not even half.
Anslem results were also skinny regarding same skill and for camps that have higher rank.
Since MC and MG are similar regarding combat strenght (difference in size of army) result should be the same for particular camp.
Obviously not, either there is mistake with MC or some hidden, not published math regarding hostile takeover skill.
Any explanation?
I got the answer from my guildies, number of mercs is calculated from xp general gain defeating the camp, so MC bring 130% more xp then any other general, 130% more mercs
Hi,
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/Ou...8UbGOky7WT2KDg
Been playing around with YWC a bit more ... and my Mary has slightly different skills.
***UPDATED 23/01/2018*** 2 versions added -
speed and full run. Up to 353k XP.
This is STILL work in progress for YWC using
Skilled Generals NUS, VAR, ANS, MMA's, MG, 2x TAV - check the skills before you follow this as the skills may be different to yours, and as a result attacks will need adjusting. Its a good guide at least to where Mary can be used to boost XP.
There are 2 alternatives presented here .. speed run and full run.
Please note Wiki's version claims to gain 139k xp (non prem) 262 MS + 52K losses. EvilJ similar XP for 166R + 208MS + 1 AM losses
Speed version …. 210K XP (non prem) or 316k XP (Prem) for 285 MS losses and a NET gain of approx 200 Merc Recruits for approx 1 hr adventure = better than wiki
Full version 235k XP (non-prem) or 353k xp (Prem) for 390MS losses - still a better xp/loss ratio than wiki.
Camps left could provde approx 75-100k xp more but I considered losses to be too great.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e...N0C_3qnUeo/pub
Thanks to other previous posters on here and guild members for pointing me towards more camps Mary could be used for and Stonewaller for a really nuts block idea in latest update.
Luckydiddy
Have been looking around for camps in the ventures where Mary can be usefull (refering to guides made by Evil's)
Sofar i found:
The fishermen and his wife: Camp C3 Mary 215 MM (zero kill). No further us of Mary in this one.
Hansel and Gretel: Camp C2 Mary 215 MM (zero Kill). No further us of Mary in this one.
to be continued and hope for other input on this
took forever and stupid losses. just had to try.
One step ahead
I'd not recommend trying this with unskilled generals. Mostly Mary can't do a lot without huge losses in suicides and loads of generals. However, check out the L9-L12 trick and use Mary to suicide 1-2 camps if nothing else. ~75.000 extra XP from killing the treasure alone..
C1 ~4600 XP after W1
Vet 250 Bows, Mary 25Msw 174MM, 250 bows ~25Msw loss
any 200 bows, skilled Mary 12 Msw 203 MM, loss 200bows 11Msw
C4 ~5850 XP after W1
RobinHood 250bows (Vet with 3x Rapid Fire), skilled Mary 2Msw 213MM, loss 250 bows ~2Msw
Vet 250bows, skilled Mary 20Msw 195MM, loss 250 bows ~20Msw
C5 < 5250 XP after W1
W1: Log/vet/mg/mma 5 rec 215 bows OR W1: RobinHood 185 bows
bowskillMMA 165bows 5recs, skilled Mary 215MM
C6 3800 XP
Mary 30Msw 10B 160+MM
C7 6500 XP
skilled Mary 43Msw 172MM
C9 ~4975 XP after W1
any 170 bows, skilled Mary 215MM (get it down to 98 sailors)
2 waves 290 bows, unskilled Mary 200MM, loss 290 bows
C10 ~5200 XP after W1
vet 250 bows, skilled Mary 215 MM, loss 250 bows
C11 ~7700 XP after W1
vet 250 bows, skilled Mary 50 MSw, 165 MM, loss 250 bows ~50Msw
C12
L3: 10.000 XP
skilled Mary 40Msw 175B, loss ~40 Msw
unskilled Mary 45Msw 155B, loss ~45Msw
C13 ~5800 XP after W1
W1: Vet 250 bows, skilled Mary 215MM, loss 250 bows
W1: Vet 250bows, unskilled Mary 36MSw 34MM 150 AM, loss 250bows 35Msw
C14 ~4600 XP after waves 1-2
Nus 180cav, MMA 1cav (or more), make sure all boatswains are dead before Mary attacks
skilled Mary 10Msw 205M
The camps for the long run C16-C23 are not really worth it with Mary IMO as you need to suicide them so much there's hardly any XP left, also uses up loads of generals. Though it's certainly possible. Much better to clear them with other gens and save generals and bowmen for suiciding extra fleet camps and using Mary there.
L9-L11, use Mary and 40cav (if unskilled, ie no Unstoppable charge) to suicide treasure for 20k XP each. Ie don't use MMA to clear treasure out.
Alternatively L9-L11: ~14.725 XP after wave 3
W1-W3 Any 200 bows x3 (ie 600* bows suicided) W4: unskilled Mary 15 Msw, 20 MM, 165AM, loss 15 Msw
W1-W3 600* bows suicided, W4 skilled Mary 10 Msw 40 MM, 165 AM, loss 10 MSw
*better generals and Rapid Fire cuts this down, target ~60 Battle Hardened Sailor, avoid using MMA, Nus or Ans in suicide due to Flanking killing treasure.
L12 ~11.100 XP after W1-W2
W1 MG 270bows, W2 unskilled Mary 15 Msw 80 AM 105 MM, loss <15 Msw
W1 MG 270bows, W2 skilled Mary 10Msw 80AM 125MM, loss <10MSw
TY for posting your guide, in your first attack with Mary you lose 58MS (Ouch!). Try it with 20MS 195MM losses around 18MS. Last sector instead of blocking with TavG you attack with Mary for 14.6k XP, I could only get 10k+. With those adjustments I'm 204.4k XP (before prem) for 250MS & 220R. Thank you!