was a pain but i found a really easy solution build a bakery and a brewery took a few minutes and will knock them down at end of eventQuote:
Originally Posted by Larili
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was a pain but i found a really easy solution build a bakery and a brewery took a few minutes and will knock them down at end of eventQuote:
Originally Posted by Larili
Not really the point I was making Hades8840. These are just the signs of poor design and muddled/rushed thinking ( if thought was indeed employed ). How much more professional would it have been to ensure the buff would work on basic and improved buildings? Would it require a little imagination to move the adventure difficulty by one for each time you move through the quest line within the level groups not just stick in `do a adventure of 11+', as in my case? And why 11+ not 10+? These are all things that should be picked up in the `story board' part of the event design, especially for an event of this size. Eight years on and I'm still left wondering if any one left at BB have actually played the game in their own time for real and not just on a dev machine.
ps. Gemming the quests is imv the start of a slippery slope and only encourages even more poor design.
Guess what, we have another one which only works on normal copper mines. Starting to look like all the event quests were written back in 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larili
Im still left wondering why people assume any developer is somehow obliged to play the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larili
The design is trivial and doesnt require much apart from using common sense, hence theres no reason anyone from inside the team would spend any time on actually playing it, especially outside of working hours.
Well if you believe the statements that have been coming out of BB regarding `Flash end of life', namely how much they love the game, you would think that at least some would. After all how better to make constructive changes, or to make changes that would improve the game, other than to play the game for real not on a development machine. Only in live they would gain `real time' understanding of how those elements fit into the game in real time?Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkz
Of course the alternative is to listen for feedback ...say from the player base and act on that feedback ...better still have a test server so those changes can be tried, tested and changed and properly understood and debugged before going live using the free knowledgeable player base who do genuinely love the game ...oh wait didn't I hear somewhere that there was one ? How strange, I wonder why forum feedback on live is still required with all this attention to checks and balances?
So your right sparkz, there should not be a need for devs to play the game for real. If you only need `common sense' and perhaps an ear and eye on feedback to your game proposals and development from forum and test media. However when I see poor, slap happy implementation of quest lines and functionality, as is seen in this event, I really think it should come down to an either/ or development process, not a neither.
Not sure of what's happening on Sandycove, but in Newfoundland we've had a recent surge of new players and even plenty of old ones coming back to the game after a break of a few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorotheus
It is therefore easy to see why those specific quests were created with them in mind rather than the continuously playing ones, who will have an island full of improved buildings/endless mines.
Not a big deal though, just added some copper to unmined deposits and temporarily built some breweries and bakeries. Not worse than having to find multiple spots for pumpkins fields, flowers farms and whatnots ;)
A little information on the weekend:
Please also donate your balloons and tell your friends/guild members to do the same. Currently, there are still MANY balloons in the storages and the goal could be almost or completely finished. In the end, it will not help if you leave the balloons in your storages. We all want the rewards from the community goal 2 :)
if we over donate, will it count towards the round 3 or they will get lost as in the last years?Quote:
Originally Posted by BB_Kumakun
many are moaning about what his event is asking you to do to achieve some rewards.
if you don't like the rules, then give up on this event.
i don't believe they are hard to read and very difficult to understand.
bugs and glitches are a different story, but when you moan about placing a cheap, short, meaningless buff on a basic building that kinda makes no sense to me.
keep calm and crack on. 9 more days to go and most of you will go back to being dormant
You better start playing and donating too cause if we miss the target it will be WW III on TSO, trust me ....... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BB_Kumakun
Something that needs to be considered is that buff should be applicable to endless mines and improved buildings as most of us dont have a brewery, baker anymore as we replaced with improved ones.
over to the next stage like it did this year when we went from stage 1-2 the only time balloons are lost is when you reach you personal goal and you have to do 1k balloons at a time if you donate more they still go to the global but they dont carry over for you on your next 1k questQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnRo79
It was said here: Yes it counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by BB_Trafffer
This is a great event. Ty BB. Good quests, and a LOT of them, nice rewards. I dont think i will complete all 10 rounds, but it doesnt matter. I still get some fine things! :)
yes pls donateQuote:
Originally Posted by rugosa
dont know what the global base of active players but assuming we averaged around 30k balloons over a two week period (which we wouldnt of as you cant get 30k but must be close) we would of needed a active player base of 50k plus players do we really have that sort of number worldwide?
o-ok, so the personal donation quests require ONLY numbers of balloons to be fulfilled - and the mass-quests had ALSO time limit?!!! Seriosly?
I did not notice this until I saw the failure message just now.
So what we got from this condition is it killed the spirit of celebrating together.
What are you on about? I'm already on my 10th 1k donation after reaching the 25k milepost and there's still a week to go!Quote:
Originally Posted by ginny31
I am perma-prem, have pfb applied, have selected mortars (and still making more than I part with thanks to the buffing of my xmas bakeries/snacks) and aside from the quest at the start to self-buff with a petite cake, only swap in TO for enormous cakes.
All I have to do, is wait for the amount of balloons made to reach 1k and that happens every 12 hours! So basically twice a day. It's not rocket science...
this thime the add so much community goal the second week. I think they prayed and hoped people got nervoious and would buy with gems balloons. i had could never afford to buy the so much missing balloons lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by faivq
First year in the 10 times we where celebrating or 8 online that we not managed the goal of the second week and that makes me sad.
The problem you can not do much your self to make it to that goal how much you play and how much quest you do. How much candles you sell so people can make there big Birthday cakes. I hope we make it to the last goal. General is interesting.
wow u did well then didnt realise there was 7k worth of balloons to be had from non fesival sources plus not everyone can dump out the mortars ar the highest level hence why I said averaged most you could get from the festival hall is around 28-29k over 14 days so rest has to come from quests etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Elco
Northisle fail on community quest phase2. other servers?
Ultimately not reaching the community goal is BB failure. They are the only one who have global data on collection and behaviors from previous events and can make prediction. And they failed.
The goal was shared between all servers in the worldQuote:
Originally Posted by tasgog
What is it about the word GLOBAL that you dont understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by tasgog
German servers failed, polish servers failed, US server failed, russian servers failed we all failed.
Oh well in fact BB failed, they set that insane amount as goal afterall.....
I don't know but we're supposedly "celebrating" (big lol) the 10th anniversary of TSO, which means as the game gets older so hardened players becomes more experienced from one year to the next.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginny31
We've never had so many diverse and strong gens, buffs to remove camps etc.
So dealing with mortars 24/7 over the course of a 3 weeks event, shouldn't be much of an issue for the aforementioned players.
As such, many can feel aggravated by BB's decision to throw near impossible figures to achieve, as they feel they've contributed really decently.
For whatever reason, BB, as they already did during last Valentine's event, seem to believe the tougher the event, the better it is to be played.
I wonder how most players, seasoned or not, will feel about being punished by having a dangling carrot being removed in front of their nose, simply because the "powers that be" have decided to not reward their community...
I've not bought any gem in ages and that will not happen in the near future. I too can play that "game" of having something someone might want but opting eventually not to part with it.
Let's see how that pans out ;)
hmmm. was all servers then. lol
Lets get the phase 3 then.
If i exclude this missing, this is the best event ever!
BB could have discretely topped us up over the week-end or given us another day BUT the rewards from the other quests have been VERY good so I'm not that put out about missing the goal. I'll end up with so many kill buffs that the Mountain campaign is going to be very easy for a while.
I'm surprised that BB did not have a backup solution. Donation machine to employ in case it was needed to ensure completion or something like that. Community goal is such a floating target prone to unpredictability. it's just important that we get it. Period. No sane person is gonna spend money to buy balloons for gems in face of dozens of millions missing. It's not like personal target. Psychological negative effect of failure in these terms just plays against the fun of the game and helps nothing and nobody.
In a event like this there are different ways the game designers can fail. Firstly due to a software bug but as there have been no reports of any bugs with donations we can rule this out. Secondly there is hardware failure but as we did not experience a server outage we can also discount this. This leaves just one possibility a failure in the planning stage.
BB once again showed a total lack of judging the impact upon the whole game due to their decisions, they have a long history of adding stuff without asking the question how will it affect what is already in-game. Example they add a new improved building and fail to adjust the quests and buffs to take the new building into account, waiting until we moan about them here on the forums.
This time they are guilty of failing to consider the impact of the new celebration quests upon balloon donations.
Donation phase I the players achieved with a comfortable margin.
Donation phase II the players failed. Sure we got some encouragement to donate what we had in storage but a percentage of whats in stores would be held in the stores of players who due to real life are not in a position to log in to donate. This makes a mockery of the statements we had that there was already enough balloons made. On top of this BB have in-acted a policy of increasing the targets every year, this policy means they are setting us up to fail eventually.
The Celebration quests also introduced another failure point. In the first week we was busy running these quests which gave us a additional balloon income. However over time the higher level players have lost this income due to completing all celebration quests, as time goes on the percentage of the player base who reach this point is increasing.
The responsibility for this fiasco rests squarely on BB's shoulders and we all know they can only atone for this is by giving us the phase II rewards.
Regular reward are good.
I think BB have too all the data. People is acting is something diffrent then only having the data without action.
I think the warning by BB mod/admin on the forum as they did today was beter on friday. Then people had time to remeber the announcement and see it daily when login.
Because lots of people do not read the forum so did not act on time to get the community donation goal.
So hope at the end of the event we make it.
The future will proof if the data en full warehouse where the only trues
Updates for phase 2 and 3 can be found on our homepage, social media, and in-game - please check it :)
As a level 54 player, I have found Misty Cake to be impossible. I don't understand why I'd be expected to defeat enemies normally found on adventures I'm not even at a high enough level to play. I just had the opportunity to unlock the elite barracks, but can't generate the right troops to defeat these camps without tremendous losses and buff kills. So I'm having to use gems to complete the quest in order to continue, but it is getting expensive...
Phase 2 goal was set too high when compared to goals for Phases 1 and 3
Not enough incentive to donate the ballons.
Not clear how donations would be implemented.
*EPIC FAIL* BB
Hm, so now you're dangling two carrots in front of our nose? :) I would prefer different solution - phase 2 goal just kept collecting till done. This double dangle, I don't know - but doubt it serves as motivation to anyone. Let's see how well you've done with your prediction of gaming behavior this time. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BB_Trafffer
No, the progress was frozen when time ran out and quest failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton_C
That's exactly why I said I'd prefer different solution. What do you find difficult to understand about that? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Areop-Enap
I am starting to get more and more angry. Every active player in my guild are collecting all they can - have enormous cake put so festival hall is buffed all the time. We cant make any more. BB is trying to make us blame each other for their failure to put a realistic goal
We did not fail - BB failed. You cant produce more if they dont expect us to go and bye the balloons. It is not us players who need to fix this. What about all the balloons that went out the windows during the time the phase 2 quest froze and the phase 3 quest was there??
I feel like being a kid again, back when a friend sometimes got mad at me and wanted a present back.
This time it is not a friend - but a company who are trying to find ways to make me spent money, and now even want to take part of the product they are selling me back :p
it's everyone's choice, nobody is forcing anybody to spend money or achieve any targets.
this event needs numbers, active players, to gather and donate.
i don't see a reason to blame BB for not having enough of those or to ask/demand/dream of all those un-achieved targets
to be gifted or reshuffled just cause some are moaning about.
this was a learning curve for devs for sure.
as for the players, keep calm and just move on. you not losing anything but time if y'all keep dragging or begging about it.
this was an event. a failed one in many years, with rewards that are not a game changer.
just imagine what you could moan about when the big change it's coming
Well - it is not a matter of choice we already give as much as we can - you cant produce more than max- it is the choice of the devs to make goals that are achievable.
Yes we have a choice- we can chose not to play the game.
As far as I can see the quests in both Celebration and the little daily quest chain are working exactly as intended. What I also see is a situation which has existed in game since it's inception, yet we get new quests which follow the same pattern as we have seen for the last 10 years and now people are complaining about it despite accepting it for all the time like they have played the game.
Theres publically available data regarding site traffic that shows the game has been bleeding out players for years (which is anything but unexpected). Yet at the same time we now have an event introduced where requirements based on active players are increased compared to previous one.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnRo79
This is not a learning curve, this is acting irrationally.
^ this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Urd123
i would like to see those numbers too if you don't mind sharing a link of some sort.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkz
as i said before: like it or not, we do what we can or like to.
seeing that we have so many players in here spitting left and right that this is wrong or unachievable,
i have not seen much chatter during or half way into the stages claiming that this won't happen.
was it a drop in players interest?
was it a glitch in counting balloons globally?
was it a cock-up in forecasting production/loot?
there's your learning curve of which BB was aware days before stage two was about to end.
they told us what's what there and then.
and what did we all do. spread it out a bit and then kept poncing about with individual gains, loot/xp, thinking and spreading that it won't fail.
stage 1 ended 2 days early. how much production was there and how much loot ?
stage 1-10 was first ended in 3-4 days time i believe. that's a 1 day max production of balloons ,
2k (looking over wiki rewards, can't remember what else was involved)
whomever done first week i believe they kept on playing 2nd one too, hence the production, storing and counting or miscounting that BB made.
i really don't see the irrational bit into this.but only a glitch in setting up a target based on real info.
and now, somehow, we are a bit ahead of donations. me thinks there was a bit of truth in there