5th MMA

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Originally Posted by kke2100

Hi BB,

Currently some players have got 5th MMA from the 'Clean Up Event' Summer 2015.

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Opens a real can of worms kke, next thing they will all be wanting the extra Veteran players got when it first came out and was given in a welcome pack, oh and the free gems from back then too? Plus all the recyclers and schools they missed, lucky explorers, etc?

As I said earlier in the thread no issue for me either way but if they want them they ought to pay gems for them so that they give something to the game.

Made me laugh seeing a level 8 player saying it was ''unfair'' that he didn't have loads of generals - had probably been playing 30mins!

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Originally Posted by inyi

let me get this straight.
If you joined May 2016 you should be able to get 6 MMA during Easter Event 2017 ?
Also an x amount of Vets and do this with all buildings and such as well ?

:D

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How about you sit down with a pencil and paper and work out just how many eggs that would require. After that try figuring out how on earth a new player would acquire that many.

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Originally Posted by sparkz

You didnt get them as a reward for playing five years, you got them because you happened to be there during the event and happened to put some effort into getting event resources. Whos to say the newer player wouldnt commit the same amount of effort if he / she happened to be there ? :)

And two good reasons why it wouldnt be a bad idea to let some players get the extras :

- they might be willing to pay money for it meaning its good for the game
- it adds up to long term balance of the game, meaning smaller discrepancies between players that have been here for years and the new ones, meaning more incentive for new players to come (since they're not on lost position from the very start); once again healthy for the game

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I really like this answer , +1.

The OP is putting forward a suggestion for discussion. He should not be hit over the head with it just because we may not agree. Balance is required in the game. New players look at high levels and wonder how they are ever going to have all those buildings and generals . So are they to be punished for not being here earlier? Longer playing people had the huge benefit of largely all being in the same boat we worked together and I think very few felt any pressure to level up - there were no carrots dangling out of reach for us. So give them the opportunity to buy a few decent generals or they can wait several years but it should be their choice.

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Originally Posted by Dorotheus

How about you sit down with a pencil and paper and work out just how many eggs that would require. After that try figuring out how on earth a new player would acquire that many.

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i was thinking about that, but then suddenly realized i can't count ;)

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Originally Posted by Mortallicus

I really like this answer , +1.

The OP is putting forward a suggestion for discussion. He should not be hit over the head with it just because we may not agree. Balance is required in the game. New players look at high levels and wonder how they are ever going to have all those buildings and generals . So are they to be punished for not being here earlier? Longer playing people had the huge benefit of largely all being in the same boat we worked together and I think very few felt any pressure to level up - there were no carrots dangling out of reach for us. So give them the opportunity to buy a few decent generals or they can wait several years but it should be their choice.

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no they are not punished for not playing earlier they start off the same way we did with tavern generals
why should new players get all what we have now???

I been playing on Northisle since july i got from level 1-50 in 53 days with mostly using tavern generals yes i currently have the majors and nusala and drac and grim but i worked hard to get them fast generals i havent spent any reward gems on any specialists or generals and like playing over there with 0 mma at the moment and if i dont manage in the event to get my 1st in easter so be it, its not gonna be the end of the world for me as all you have to do is change and adapt the way you play the game as we do it when we get better generals taverns tend to be for blocks/suicides only on longer term players and mmas, majors do most of the fighting

not having that luxury on northisle i like having to work out what i can kill with tavern generals or drac or grim or major and now nusala as we progress in the game then we should get better rewards eg generals but i feel the way of doing it in the events is fair enough and dont see the need for lets give them it all at start what is the point?

if lower levels wonder how they get them buildings generals etc well its called time and patience from what i can see settlers has never been a "fast" game and takes a lot of both time and patience to get things you achieve to get.

balance in game well lets see you cant do adventures i dont think it is until level 26 anyways then its the likes of bounty hunter thats the 1st one you do not need 1 mma let alone 5 to complete that 100 cav in a tavern general gets that done with 0 losses
then you move on to horseback say, again you dont need MMAs etc to do that can do that with all tavern generals and blocks included if you want to

so balance is in the game they get what they need at certain stages in the game to meet there level requirements regarding generals
and if they do buy gems or use reward ones they can get a variety of generals/specialists if they choose to from the start

personally i think some are to hung up on this we need 5th coz i missed out (thats it you missed out due to you being missing when it happened that is not BB's fault therefore why should they compensate you for missing out?)

i think those that think lower levels should get all instantly basically without waiting and doing what older players had to do kinda silly in my view as the game isnt a fast game anyways so what is the rush really to give them it all claiming it balances game out, when it dont it might make a few feel better but hasn't took the time and patience that everyone else has had to do to achieve them themselves and the fact that settlers meant to be a slow game
anyways

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before certain people went a little bit mad it seemed so thread got closed this was the latest one Re the MMA thing Here with a variety of views

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Originally Posted by lulu10093

so balance is in the game they get what they need at certain stages in the game to meet there level requirements regarding generals

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There was no balance from the start and the concept of balance has been ignored for years, only making it into dev/ cm discussions in the last few months.

There is no issues with new people having to unlock certain features while putting enough effort. What you are missing though is :

- new people are in severe disadvantage having to produce higher tier weapons while there is plenty active players that were playing where you could get hundreds of thousands of those from adventures
- new people will never have a chance to get frozen manors raining from the sky like it was during christmas 2013
- they will most likely never have a chance to play dozens of the adventures that ave you either debuffs or books (SE and bandit nest followups that were widely available but are not anymore)
- they even have the drop nerfed for some of the regular adventures for the reasons that are unclear (and noone ever bothered to explain it)

you could probably find ten other things that puts new players in severe disadvantage comparing to old ones, and as I mentioned before, none of those are in any way related to anyone putting in any effort, eveything is "you happened to be playing before the nerf" kind of thing.

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Originally Posted by sparkz

There was no balance from the start and the concept of balance has been ignored for years, only making it into dev/ cm discussions in the last few months.

There is no issues with new people having to unlock certain features while putting enough effort. What you are missing though is :

- new people are in severe disadvantage having to produce higher tier weapons while there is plenty active players that were playing where you could get hundreds of thousands of those from adventures
- new people will never have a chance to get frozen manors raining from the sky like it was during christmas 2013
- they will most likely never have a chance to play dozens of the adventures that ave you either debuffs or books (SE and bandit nest followups that were widely available but are not anymore)
- they even have the drop nerfed for some of the regular adventures for the reasons that are unclear (and noone ever bothered to explain it)

you could probably find ten other things that puts new players in severe disadvantage comparing to old ones, and as I mentioned before, none of those are in any way related to anyone putting in any effort, eveything is "you happened to be playing before the nerf" kind of thing.

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Yes you are absolutely right.
one more disadvantage is the number of explorers- especially the lucky explorer, they bring home lots of event resources and that way old player get a lead there also. Making that effect event stronger when there is no way of getting event resources by being active in the game, like doing adventures.

BB can do lots of things to balance things. I dont think they ever considered this topic much. You cant get mj until level 47. They could do the same with mma´s and other strong gens - allowing only more of them when you reach a certain level.

I suspect that balance is not the reason some players dont want it to be possible to get more mma for gems.

No it is simply the "I dont want them to have same as I do, I earned it because I played longer, It proves I am in a different league" We have many other way to put this kind of selfishness in my own language, but cant find the right words in English :p

What I like in this game and keep me going when the adventures starts to bore me is the social aspect. For that to be at the best we need a mixture of old and new players in the game. We need new players and we need them to want to stay. It does not help much if we treat them as 2nd grade.

I have not read the entire thread so I apologise if this has already been said.

I think if BB can set the merchant so that only the champions a player does not have from the Christmas event will be available for gems then it should be possible to set the limit for MMAs (and other generals) to a maximum that is available right now from events, and people who missed out on them could purchase them for gems.

For example if someone has 3 MMAs from events then they could buy 2 more for gems (as right now everyone can buy 1 for gems). If someone just starts out the game, they could buy 5 for gems.

Maybe some level restriction or time restriction could be introduced here so that level 1 players do not start out with 5 MMAs because IMO those tend to leave the game early for lack of challenges.

Ok so I have been here a while :) but I only have 4 MMA's due to never storing event resources didn't see the point of ripping people off with them tbh. Do I think that I should be able to get the 5th one.... NO! because if I wanted it that badly I should've used gems & bought it when it was available, missed opportunity there but oh well point is if u weren't here or didn't get for other reasons its on you. saying its not fair when it is and demanding another is in itself unfair on players who have put in the effort/gems

if there are more players with more stuff there is more stuff going on. like ls swap sale. which is a plus to old. so why keep new down?