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Nice addition, these crisis quests.
And, like most newly introduced features, this one still has to be tuned somewhat.
At least quest chains 16-25 and 26-35 seem doable,and give somewhat decent rewards.
Level 36 and above (also including myself): bad luck, save your resources until the Easter event - better luck next time
after reading some of the posts i and some of our guild have canceled the quest ( and i am level 50 ) would rather keep resources for easter event
i have found 1 of the adventures in a year and not had old friends in the last 20 time i have done witch so good luck to all that try it wont be me
Unfortunately I have to agree with the majority of the feedback here, The quest chains doesn't favour the casual player, working 6 days a week I don't get to play a lot, and with that said I doubt the hardcore player would stand a chance completing this without spending a lot of real money to meet the deadline.
The rewards seem balanced and fair.
But the timer should be removed or set to perhaps 3-4 months.
Overall its a great idea and well welcomed, just needs a small adjustment :)
Kioco.
Edit - Typo...
Which part are you saying is the minority? Because the only 'minority' I see you represent in your post are those that like it and think it's a great idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOD_Kioco
I'd definitely say the majority are against this. The idea is great, but what we are expected to do, spend and give up is not.
Minority is definitely those who approve, at the higher levels in particular. But there again we all know BB do not care about the L47+ player who has spent his money and now realizes he has wasted it as BB are not going to add new content for him in the foreseeable future .. how many months now we have been told "Coming soon"?
Does anyone even know the exact ending time? It would help for players trying it... It will ba a race against time.
I would assume it's maintenance in the early hours of March 14th.
Few correction to the level 26-35 list:
1. First quest. Find 200 hardwood with medium treasure search. Pay 500 tools.
2. Second quest. Do a short adventure search (no need to find an adventure, map frags will work). Finish one adventure (bounty hunter works here, costs 10 fish in the merchant)
3. Third quest is correct. Pay 2k marble, produce 100 sandwiches
4. Fourth quest. Get 50 fish platter buffs from other players. Produce 7000 fishfood.
5. Fifth quest. Produce 480 horses. Get 700 granite from the The Pirates' Island adventure
Sorry was a typo, but my post was meant to be agreeing that the event is too hard for most of if not all players untill the timer is changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Icegirl
It's like BB just slapped this together with no thought at all.
I started doing the quests but after reading this post i will be cancelling it.
I am level 37 and most of the sub quests are out of my reach.
See they still haven't been cured of their Isle of Pirates addiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by GDHeka
How many of these things do they think people have?
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Originally Posted by Icegirl
You have the option not to do it....
Not sure if its been mentioned yet, but the adventure quest either side of lvl 45 is unbalanced. Losing fewer than 500 recs on Outlaws seems a little harsher than BK without losing a soldier. I do that anyway.
acquiring bandits nest quest!!, i have been playing for over a year and never found this mission yet doing daily searches.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoltAngus
In the middle of doing task four, having to buff 175 baskets (what a stupidly high amount) done 67 baskets only got 57 counted.. yeah right.. the incompetence of BB is showing again.
when this event ends?
Event? joke? random this game 16x adv reward exo or titan.
the 16-25's get 4 noble deeds and 500 gems
I cancelled this as soon as i saw i'd need to pay out 2000 marble in one hit, ridiculous amount considering the measly reward on offer, i'm saving all my resources for the easter event, nice one BB, failed yet again
I also have the option to give my opinion, regardless of whether or not I choose to do the quest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juregen
Granite with Bandit Nest ? And Old Friend ? In 2 weeks ? You gotta be kidding me. I can understand all the resource need for this quest and even the Outlaw adventure challenge or 500 longbows but the quest getting granite with Bandit Nest and Old Friend is ridiculous for 2 weeks. The lost for this quest chain is too high and we have to depend on our luck with those rare adventures to complete it. I'd rather do Son of the Veld or Secluded Experiment than those adventures. At least give us 4 weeks.
What happens if you go from lvl 35 to 36 during the event ? is it still the 26-35 event chain that you need to do ?
As far I know Morten, the quest chain won't change to the next tier.
Too right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Icegirl
Ok thnx IcegirlQuote:
Originally Posted by Icegirl
Good rewards, but quest chain is too much tbh. Luck aspect combined with having to build 3 extremely useless and extremely expensive buildings (tita smelter, dama smith, crossbow smith.) I could try the luck thing, specific loot from specific adventures, specific explorer result and other stuff OR build useless expensive buildings, but definately not both.
Thanks, but no thanks. Maybe next time.
I don't think it is a great idea at all!Quote:
Originally Posted by MOD_Kioco
A great idea it is what normal players are able to do,an idea that come with very likely impossibilities it is a stupid idea and not great,regardless the time given.
The problem we do have it is that the developers of this game are sitting in their offices and try to figure out what to do,but they don't play the game in the normal way of the majority of the players.They should star to do it,play with no more conditions than a normal players,not having any extras because of their position.Then they could have an idea of what to do,that I am 100% would make them change their minds about what they do.
While they are as they are now,sitting in their offices and know NOTHING from the users point o f view of the game they only can mess up with this,because they have no idea of what they are asking to players to do,for them it is simple...the resources,adventures etc are there so we do ask them to use it,they don't see that it isn't affordable for normal players.
Have any of the mods pushed this back to BB? 2 weeks is clearly not long enough.. official word from BB about the length of time and chance of extending it??
Hey there, just a heads up, all comments have been read so far by me (and likely others as well) and I will pass over as much information regarding feedback as I can, I am sure others will read and do the same.
From what I have seen though a lot of people are unhappy with this as it breaks "their style of play".
As we all know, there is no one hat that fits all, so as much as certain players are put out by the difference in play the game is offering, others (likely in game now) are flying at it as a new challenge. I know several in my guild are loving the opportunity to tackle something new in the game!
I understand one of the biggest bugbears that others have described is due to the "random" drop nature of the requirements on both the explorers and the quests, which I can understand, there is no element of planning you can put into that.
One question I might pose to some of the players is "Are you ready for the next step?" in terms of when the big changes to come in, as much as we don't know when the level 50+ content is due, what I have noticed a lot of is people using Recruits still at high levels, as they're easy to produce with low cost and a fast build time. But what if you used higher level troops instead of Recs, if you look at it from a PvP point of view, taking 200 Crossbowmen or 200 Elites over with a General into a PvP area will reduce your travel time with force greatly, especially if your opponent is coming with 200 Recs each time!
So maybe on that view, having the buildings in place to ramp up your production when the times comes is only smart thinking, rather than a "resource drain". It's a one off cost and you can always leave it snoozed, as far as I can see the only drain it would cause would be that of a building licence.
But I can assure you, your feedback is being read and will be passed on to the correct people in due course.
+1 to peck_ed
totally agree that it is a great quest and nice challenge, changing it would result in people now enjoying it to start and complain, because it doesn't fit their playing style. Mine is focussed on the future...PvP and new event quest chains :)
That's because bandit's nest can only be bought with map fragmentsQuote:
Originally Posted by brucekemp2010
Or found in the Mysterious Adventure Box.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerontius
I'm pretty sure that all high level players have crossbows and elites as well as recruits. The reason we're resistant to building the buildings involved in the quest is the fact that we don't need them. We win plenty of crossbows, damas and even cannons from adventures. More than enough for our needs. So why drop 10k granite on a chain of buildings we don't need?Quote:
Originally Posted by peck_ed
If BB wants us to be doing for ourselves, they need to review the loot given in adventures. I can get 1k crossbows by losing 1 recruit. Is that really what they intended multi-player adventures to be? I think someone still has a vision for how they would like us to play, but I don't feel that vision was adequately woven into the game at its very roots, and now we've had over a year to get comfortable and find how we want to play. BB can't really come charging in and say "You're not supposed to do it this way!" and make changes based on that. Like trying to stop us from using blocks in adventures. The one thing about adventures that requires some kind of planning and strategy, and they want us to stop doing it! Just make the troops, kill the camps and go home. So I feel that both the loot and the combat system need to be redesigned if BB wants us to go down the route of being more self-sufficient.
If and when PvP is introduced, it will require everyone who wants to do it to change their current playing style. We know this, and we will adjust. But I personally resent being forced to do things, or to play in a certain way. I think BB understands this to a point, which is why PvP is going to be optional and will not involve our home islands.
Maybe what BB should be taking from the comments generated from this event is that those advanced buildings don't work right now with the game in its current format, and you cannot force players to use them, or bribe us into building them with a few gems. Make us need to build them, and you might be on to something.
Okay, I will bite on this subject too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Icegirl
The production time on 1 D.sword is 1h10 while the production time of an bronze sword is 6.5min. Also the cost of building and upgrading an BS maker to L5 is not enough to buy an single D.Sword maker.
Making 10 Dswords will cost you 40 titbars and 60 Steel bars. Not counting iron/steel production the cost for 10 dswords is equal to 80 titanium ore. Outlaws is the cheapest 1 player adventure that gives you titanium which is a paltry 400 ore, just enough to built 50 swords!!!! All the other adventures are way less cost effective. Assuming an L1 dsword-maker will take you about 11hours. so making enough for an army of 100 is about 1100hours .. 1.5 months playing!!!
So BB decided that we should have Dswords as the best weapons, make it impossible to built at a large scale and gave us an medicore improvement for making them.
On the other hand doing an easy adventure like VTV will give us 300 swords which is roughly two weeks of production time. Yeah right. Basically if you base your weapon selection on production than you really can't afford to loose any elites. Even loosing an soldier will set you back many many hours production time. OTOH its no problem if you loose 1000 recruits as the needed weapons will be replaced in a couple of hours.. especially if you take into account the costs of the buildings which means you have a huge production capacity.
One guildmate decided to use militia instead of recruits as throwaway (bulk) troops. At the end he dropped out, as he wasn't able to keep up with the other players who used recruits..
Back to Four Winds. The last phase asks us to do Surprise Attack (500 mf) at least severall times.. Lets assume we get it in 2 times (both times swapped). This will cost us 1000 mf. You can get 9 mf per an 24h search (fast explorers) so you need 111 searches. Assuming 11 explorers, it just can be done in 10 days.. But before that you also need to get some granite from a long search, which reduced your number with at least 1 daysearch.. Ooops.. Without having an huge stock of mf its not possible to do so.. And what do we get?? 1 Silo, watermill and 500 gems. BB asks us to sacrifice WEEKS of production for something which is worth 10k coins??!!! Which L50 players can gain from their production in two weeks time alone!! Without the stress of having to have success and throwing away valueable granite in useless buildings.
Listen, i don't mind an resource sink (which is what this is) but I want something back. And I don't want to sink my valuable granite and mf just to get the chance of an Silo.. I wil keep building those wheatfields then, is less work then a lot of people think.
Mystic, thank you for the very clear and concise post. Eagerly awaiting official comment on it.....
I wouldn`t be able to add up more reasons not to do this questline than the people that already wrote before me.
Yet I`m doing the questline just to see if I can do it (yes I know its expensive, but heck, I`m a crazy old dragon).
As a suggestion for future events, something to smooth your path BBs, if you do these quests like sinkholes, at least add up some intangible reward (if you keep offering unsatisfactory tangible ones).
Say something like: Ribbon of flying in the Four Winds.
Design a medal with a ribbon and attach it to the people`s character in the forums or if possible in the game itself. Something that will visually separate the people that did that quest from the others.
A storyteller medal for people that win those story contests. And the list can go on.
Doesn`t cost you a thing but adds something similar to a reward to people. Can`t trade it for gold but it will be a reason to play.
The reason I'm still playing this game is because there is NO PVP...Quote:
Originally Posted by peck_ed
Currently I am level 45 and looks like I have to wait 2 weeks to complete the whole quest . In that time I would normally do several adventures and will be getting to level 46 with just over 17k exp to go. What will happen to the quest ? Will I be switched to the next level or continue with the lev 36 to 45 version?
Making this quest line have 2 paths, a casual one and a hardcore(current) one with the hardcore giving a better reward would appease most people. Also, the level tier system is very difficult for people in the lower half. This really needed 5+ tiers or change the 16-25 to 16 to 30, 25-35 to 30-40, and the 35-45 to 40-47. Or even give people a choice of what tier they want to do for what reward. I would try the 25-35 one if given the option.
At 37 it just isn't possible for me to produce, train and lose 2000+ troops in 2 weeks, which doesn't even factor in the chance of not getting the loot, without spending all my gold and trading my soul or begging my guild for help.