which camp is that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by geezer123
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which camp is that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by geezer123
Evil J C13, Corona 88 camp 20Quote:
Originally Posted by dreaduk
I'm confused.com because C3 can be taken out with 270MM for no loss. All the EvilJ guides numbering is the same https://prnt.sc/i63te0. Wondered if it was a numbering mix up?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowBlizz
No it's correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by geezer123
Almost every camp can be taken out more cheaply or for no loss by not using Mary. I've listed the cases where I thoguht it might make sense and had a go at those. 35MSw loss for 5670 XP extra + posisble prem is "reasonable" to me. There are several more camps like that on the map. next one is C6.
Some slackers have only tested very low additional losses or no losses. I went for everything one could reasonably do. Someone even crazier can do a guide where they clear absolutely every camp with Mary but it won't be me.
Ah! Suddenly it becomes crystal clear! Thank you :-DQuote:
Originally Posted by SnowBlizz
Thanks hadn't spotted that.Quote:
Originally Posted by geezer123
I don't use evilj guides or maps, could you please say which camps these are, as in which troops they hold? thanks :)
or look here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pamissou
https://forum.thesettlersonline.net/...venture-Guides
Updated mine .. you are looking at the wrong camp ... the 50/50 camp at start yes 20 MS and 160MM works well ... the camp with 160 Mounted Bowman is killable with 215 MS and approx 58MS losses .... as shown in the guide both the old version and updated version this isn't worth it unless you also have fast learner 3 and prem.... and even then it may still depend on how many YWC's your explorers find per day/week, current queue in elite barracks, whether you are after loot or xp etc for whether this is worth it to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by geezer123
No specifics from me - just a general comment that I have found lots and lots of use for Mary and am collecting much more experience on many adventures because of it. I trained her with 3 books in charge and improved accuracy (and of course max experience bonus) and it's amazing how many adventures I've found where she can hit with small or no losses, or perhaps with a lead in first wave by another general to weaken the camp. The more I look the more I find. Great general if you spend the time hunting the special opportunities.
ty for guide and yes the block in 1st sector works without plat horseshoe
I've uprgaded my ToW guide with some options, primarily skilled Mary
The Nords- Skilled Mary (max extra XP) :cool:
Mary skills: https://ctrlv.cz/kk0K
My MAP: https://ctrlv.cz/1Kdj
Some extra XP: https://ctrlv.cz/79JC
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Sektor 1:
C1+C2: Mary 80C 135XB
T1: Mary 11R 1E 203C
C3: Mary 9R 1E 205XB
C4: Mary 9R 1E 40C 165XB
L1: Mary 9R 1E 40C 165XB
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Sektor 2:
C5: Mary 215XB
C6+C7: Mary 215XB
C8+C9: Mary 2R 1E 42C 170XB
L2: Mary 42R 1E 43C 129XB
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Sektor 3:
C10: Mary 215XB
C11: Mary 2R 1E 42C 170XB
C12: Mary 6R 1E 208XB
C14: Mary 75C
C15: Mary 215XB
L3: Mary 12R 1E 42C 160XB
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Sektor 4:
C16: Mary 1E 25C 189XB
C17: Mary 19R 1E 195XB
C18: Mary 32R 1E 182XB
L4: Major 87R 8M 1E 174XB
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Sektor 5:
C19: Mary 215XB
C20: Mary 80R 1M 1E 133XB
C21: Mary 215C
L5:
suicide waves with 1R (Nusala, Vargus, Anslem, MMA, Dracul)
Mary 52M 2E 161XB
OR
Normal attack : Major 52M 2E 216XB ( some loose EXP)
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get even more xp on Nords if you kill ALL the camps in sector 1 and use militia on L4 :] with mary - think i've had it up to 64k xp using mary on every camp -
ooh and just received over 1 million on prem for full oil lamp - i love my mary gen
skilled mary, EvilJ camps: skilled gens: nus, mma and suicide gens have 3x RF
Compare with EvilJ guides to see if extra troop loss is worth the XP.
UPDATE!
Fisherman
C1: mma 235b + mary 65ms 150mm
C2.5 150 boar + 150 wolf: Mary 215 MM
L1: V 250b + mary 55ms 160mm
L4: mary 52ms 163mm
Hansel
2 + 2.5: mary 215 mm. Sent to camp 2.5, below leader camp, intercept will take care of camp 2
4: 50b + mary 215 mm (TSO fast sim has incorrect unit numbers, there are 160 boars, not 100)
8: mma 220b + mary 215 mm
9: 115b + mary 215 mm
13: mary 215mm
L8: vet 250b + mary 55ms 160mm
L10: nus 170b + mary 18ms 197am
L11: nus 180b + var 195r + ans 60r + mary 18ms 37am 160mm
Pied piper
L1: mary 55am 160mm
NEW L3: mma 1mm (5x) + mma 235b + mary 15ms 200mm
C1: mary 17 ms 198 mm
L10: Var 1mm + mma 1r + mma 1r + Ans 132s + Nus 180b + mary 15ms 200mm (5600 / 7300 xp)
Red Riding Hood
2: mary 215mm
L1: 200b + mary 15-50ms 200-165mm (Use sim on mary to save loads of troops)
5: 200b + mary 215
L3: 136b + mary 20ms 195mm
L4: mma 235b + 65b +mary 15ms 200am
9: mma220b + mary 215mm
L5: mma 235b + mma 235b + mary 6ms 144am 65mm (6000/7800 xp)
L8: 200b + 200b + 250b + mary 55ms+160mm (28ms + 10mm EXTRA loss compared to major gen) (4500/5800 xp)
L9: mma 235b + 85b + mary 55ms 160mm
L10: nus 180b + nus 180b + var 195b + mary 10ms 205mm
Snow White
L1: mma 235b + mary 35ms 65am 115mm. (6000/7300 xp) If you do Evil_J's block, the first camp can fail (10%)
L2: 170b + mary 40ms 50am 125mm
L3: 200b + mary 50ms 165mm
7: 200b +mary 25ms 40am 150mm
L5: mma 1mm (7x) + mma 235b + mary 40ms 90k 85b (3300/4250) (save 30 knights compared to EvilJ)
L6: mma 235 + mary 5ms 210mm (7700/10000) Make sure only 41 rm are left (or lose 9 mm per excess rm)
L7: nus 180b + mary 60ms 155mm (4500/5800)
I have made a guide for the Cutter adventure. It is a little extreme but it uses Mary with the Fast learner and Bounty hunter skills. Max tested losses is 112 Mounted Swordsman using the first aid skill. And I get over 260k experience and 90 star coins. With the elite barracks at level 6 and some good buffs you can pretty much do the adventure over again all day and not go through all your trained Mounted Swordsman.
http://settlersonlinewiki.eu/en/adve...dracul-pelias/
assuming thats 260k with prem because looking at your map you dont use mary enough to get 260k plus premQuote:
Originally Posted by PELIAS
Thats correct. Sorry for the miss info. It is 172k without prem and 60 star coins.Quote:
Originally Posted by hades8840
there really isn't any need for a guide to using mary since you can use any existing guide and just substitute mary into it.
if mary can take the camp with acceptable losses thats what should be done. BTW don't forget you can do a sacrifice 1r MMA hit to make it more economical or even burn up those extra recruits you've been earning with a 265 recruit vet or 285 maj gen.
its that easy.
How do you "just substitute" Mary for MG? She has 70 less units, that's a big difference. Sometimes attacks fail horribly if you are 5 mm/am short.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacar
You will have to sim to get the best army composition. And that is what we do. We do the simming for you and we tell what camps have good xp.
Budgy, could you make your 2 posts from previous page into one with all your remarks for Evil Queen chain in them? I'd prefer to make a link to one post (given that there aren't many camps in total).
And also, please write what skills your Mary has :)
with generals having skills your general may be very different. Its best to run the various camps yourself in a sim to find the best combinations of troops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budgy
about the ONLY real point of guides is the blocks and starting locations for generals now.
If a 200 troop general can take the camp....so can mary. that's the general rule. Losses are of course expected to be higher then a MG/MMA/vargus/etc and its if they are acceptable or not if u use mary.
Mary is powerfull enough that in two places in Young Woodcutter I let her get intercepted and take down 2 camps at once with only one of those needing an 1r MMA before(or risk lossing a few mounted marksmen).
Mary can take out every L camp(from evilJ guide) in woodcutters except the very last one.
Maybe I missed it, but didn't see anyone having posted camps from ToK where General Mary can be used so I thought I would take the time to post the ones I have found while working on my personal ToK guide.
For reference, I used the camp number layout from http://settlersonlinewiki.eu/maps/mapawiedza04en.jpg
Skills for Mary:
https://i.imgur.com/Sm0Y218.png?1
-- Unnumbered Extra Camp 1 in SW Corner of G1 (90 Horsemen, 40 Dune Marksmen, 90 Desert Marksmen) --
{MaryX} 36MS 179MM [29MS - 31MS - 35MS]
Camp 15 (80 Sword Wielders, 70 Horsemen, 1 Scarred Thief)
{MaryX} 42MS 4K 169B [36MS 1K - 39MS 2K - 42MS 4K]
-- Unnumbered Extra Camp 2 in SE Corner below Camp 18 (100 Sword Clashers, 110 Desert Marksmen) --
{MaryX} 215MM [-]
-- Unnumbered Extra Camp 3 in SE Corner below Camp 18 (70 Stone Cannons, 70 Dune Marksmen, 70 Desert Marksmen) --
{MaryX} 215MM [-]
(Protip to save time: From G2, Mary can be sent to the camp furthest down and get intercepted by the first to kill both camps above, she can then be sent to kill camp 18 upon return)
Camp 18 (100 Sword Clashers, 100 Horsemen, 1 Smart Thief)
{MaryX} 43MS 172MM [34MS - 39MS - 43MS]
Camp 22 (80 Horsemen, 70 Sword Clashers, 80 Dune Marksmen)
{MaryX} 32MS 183MM [25MS - 28MS - 31MS]
Camp 23 (120 Sword Wielders, 120 Stone Cannons)
{MaryX} 34MS 120AM 61MM [29MS - 31MS - 33MS]
Camp 29 (120 Desert Marksmen, 100 Stone Cannons, 1 Mysterious Thief)
{MaryX} 8MS 207MM [4MS - 7MS - 8MS]
Camp 31 (100 Sword Clashers, 100 Stone Cannons, 1 Smart Thief)
{MaryX} 12MS 203MM [2MS - 3MS - 11MS]
-- Unnumbered Extra Camp 5 on the right side of G4 (260 Dune Marksmen) --
{MaryX} 215MM [-]
-- Unnumbered Extra Camp 6 on the right side of G4 (70 Sword Clashers, 70 Dune Marksmen, 80 Stone Cannons) --
{MaryX} 215MM [-]
(Protip to save time: From G4, Mary can be sent to the camp furthest down and get intercepted by the first to kill both camps above just be sure the camp next to camp 31 is destroyed first)
Camp 33 (100 Horsemen, 100 Stone Cannons)
{MaryX} 40MS 175MM [32MS - 35MS - 39MS]
Camp 35 (90 Horsemen, 40 Sword Clashers, 90 Desert Marksmen)
{MaryX} 36MS 179MM [29MS - 31MS - 35MS]
Camp 37 (90 Dune Marksmen, 90 Horsemen, 1 Smart Thief)
{MaryX} 36MS 179MM [28MS - 32MS - 35MS]
Camp 42 (120 Horsemen, 120 Dune Marksmen)
{MaryX} 47MS 168MM [39MS - 42MS - 46MS]
I also use her for Camp 24 after sending a MMA 1MM to avoid losing Mounted Marksmen.
Skills for MMA: https://i.imgur.com/WF97xgI.png (Most relevant for this attack would be Juggernaut, First Aid and maybe Unstoppable Charge)
Camp 24 (80 Horsemen, 80 Desert Marksmen, 80 Stone Cannons)
1st Wave: {Skilled MMA} 1MM [-]
2nd Wave: {MaryX} 33MS 182MM [21MS - 23MS - 32MS]
I get ~209 star coins from full adventure without premium. General Mary is the only general I got with Bounty Hunter skill so it's easy to get an image of how much XP she earned in by taken the star coin number and multiply it with 1000...
Sidenote: I sacrificed her with a load full of recruits on the last camp for an extra boost.
Thanks, there's one version of ToK (unskilled + skilled Mary), but I've added your post in spoilers with other skilled-only versions, ToK is quite confusing, so it's good to have at least one version for those who use Wiki's camps numbers.
Ah, I see it now. One with Master Planner. It's always good with variety. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kris3457
It was easier for me to use the wiki map as reference since i had to sim all camps anyway and, as you said, ToK can get confusing. :)
Take up Arms!
Easter Event 2018/2019 - camps are the same
Experience Points of the Party Crashers:
Bad or mediocre: Rascal 2, Ruffian 5, Vandal 9, Prankster 9, Bully 10, Scoundrel 10
Good: Grouch 20, Cad 22, Whiner 30, Scallywag 80, Denis (boss) 1500
Great: Alex (boss) 7500, Bob (boss) 17500
Premium bonus is NOT applied on home island, which is consistent with premium buffs description ("50% XP from adventures"). Thanks to kke2100 for this information.
Warning: "Day" refers to Event's consecutive Day for players who regularly destroy their camps from Day 1, so if you started the Event later than on Monday or if you skipped a day or more, check carefully the units.
Experience from fights:
[Non-Mary / unskilled Mary / Mary with Fast Learn-3])All attacks with unskilled Mary. Values with Fast Learner-3 given for reference only.2018 (or 2019) Easter Event camps in Spoiler, from Day 5
Spoiler
C3 just killed my Mary and cost me 55MS and 145MM. Thanks.
After some chat, we discovered the reason for this misunderstanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingCannon
Unfortunatelly, using the guide starting from land zone makes it a completely different camp, so that's the reason for losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowBlizz
C3 in the referred guide on Beautiful Princess (270 Sailor)
Unskilled Mary with 55MS 145MM always wins the fight (losing up to 52MS)
- checked on en.tsomaps.com/adv-calc/ (100k repetitions)
- checked on dsosim.de (100k repetitions)
- checked on /settlersonlinemaps.com/fastsim.php (FastSim v5.2) (10k repetitions)
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Thank you for this detailed and insightful post.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginny31
your welcomeQuote:
Originally Posted by geezer123
No need for sarcasm :)Quote:
Originally Posted by geezer123
ginny asked KingCannon what adventure he failed on camp C3, but I posted almost at the same time, and my post cleared it, so ginny edited his (hers). Of course, it would be better to delete the post to avoid confusion later.
I have updated my post about the Evil Queen ventures. https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/...l=1#post339638
Please check block C9 block in 3rd thief guide. evil-j an corona has it as 106-107 Msw 60 AM, the 148MSw seems to short. Yours is ~5 rounds evilj/corona one 15-25 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by noxidjkram
The proper block (Evil, corona) with 106MS + 60AM lasts 320s (Tavern), 170s (MOD - or 180s if 1MS less) or 160s (BHG) - all versions are safe, even BHG, but ...
Aggro zone walk is around 40s + fight 52s = 92s needed block, and Tavern with 148MS would go for 100 seconds, so leaving a slight margin (8 seconds) for Vargus or Major with Conf. Leader-2 (like required). Horseshoes increase that safety margin even to 13s (Br.) or 15s (Plat.).
So the block holds and you don't need to re-assign troops for the next sector, since 148MS is the proper block for Camp15 :)
Sure it's easy to mess up, if someone uses Vargus without Conf. Leader-2 and forgets to re-check the times or if you don't use precise placement, but more of a flying start (with flag count).
For now, only VLT + HLT, other three (BLT, Sons, CLT) with just 1-2 attacks and not much XP.
Skills for Mary Christmas: Master Planner, Annex-3, Charge-3, Overrun-3.
Naturally, Charge-3 needed only if Cavalry used, and Overrun-3 if fight against a Boss unit (no such fights so far).
All XP values shown are meant as extra XP, if using Mary with Fast Learner-3 skill.
Valiant LT - 7k extra XP (Fast Learn-3) from 4 attacks, if you have enough MMAs.
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Valiant - Sector 1
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C2) 120 Wolf [= 1.5k extra XP]
Mary: 85Rec 5ES 125Cav
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Valiant - Sector 2
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C7) 90 Boar, 60 Wolf [wave 3 = 1.8k extra XP]
w-1 MMA: 1Rec
w-2 MMA: 17Rec (less Rec, if your MMAs have Juggernaut skill)
w-3 Mary 131Rec 1ES 83Ka
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Valiant - Sector 4
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C15) 80 Royal Recruit, 60 Royal Bowman [wave 3 = 2k extra XP]
w-1 MMA: 1Rec
w-2 MMA: 1Rec
w-3 Mary 113Rec 1ES 16Cav 85Ka
C17) 60 Royal Militia, 30 Royal Cannoneer [wave 2 = 1.7k extra XP]
w-1 *: Any General 143Bow (kills 28RM)
w-2: Mary 70R 1ES 144XBow (OK vs. 32RM + 30RKa)
* Wave 1 must kill 28 Royal Militia (you can use a general with Rapid Fire-3 here to lower the losses of Bowmen).
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Heroic LT - up to 16k extra XP (Fast Learn-3) from several attacks, mostly in the last 3 sectors with Dancing Dervishes.
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Heroic - Sector 3
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Leader 3) 40 Boar, 60 Fox, 80 Giant [wave-2 = 2.6k extra XP]
w-1* Veteran-Rapid-Fire-2: 237Bow (kills 40 Boar, 47 Fox) (10s)
w-2 Mary 1ES 13Bow 201XBow (20s)
Total time = 80s (30s fight + 50s walk), Evil_J's block has 100s. It's safe to add a 3rd general and 1 more round, if you don't have a Veteran with required skills.
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Heroic - Sector 5
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C17) 40 Cultist, 160 Dancing Dervish [wave-2 = 4.2k extra XP]
w-1 Any 50Rec (must kill 22 Cultists)
w-2 Mary 12Rec 1ES 202XBow (OK vs. 18 Cultist, 160 Dervish)
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Heroic - Sector 6
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C20) 100 Cultist, 100 Dancing Dervish [wave-2 = 2.8k extra XP]
w-1 Any 60Rec (or 40Bow) (must kill 28 Cultists)
w-2 Mary 35Rec 1ES 179XBow
C21) 80 Fanatic, 40 Shadowsneaker, 80 Fire Dancers [wave-2 = 1.7k extra XP]
w-1 MMA 1Rec
w-2 MMA 1Rec
w-3 Mary 47Rec 168Cav
(unnumbered Camp) 200 Shadowsneaker [= 1.56k extra XP]
Mary 16R 199ES
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Heroic - Sector 7
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C24) 150 Dark Priest [wave-2 = 1.25k extra XP]
w-1 MMA 1Rec + 3Bow (kills 26 DP)
w-2 Mary 2ES 213Cav (OK vs. 124 Dark Priest)
C25) - Send both generals to Leader - Retreat Mary after the fight !
- 90 Shadowsneaker, 80 Dancing Dervish [wave-2 = 2k XP]
w-1 MMA 1Rec (kills 90 Shadowsneaker + 0-1 Dervish)
w-2 Mary 2ES 110XBow (Retreat after attack!)
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Betrayed LT - 4.7k extra XP (Fast Learn-3) from 2 attacks, I'm still trying to find camps to use the new MMAs to help Mary.
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Betrayed - Sector 5
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C20) 100 Giant [= 3.4k extra XP]
Mary 20R 7Sol 1ES 187XBow
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Betrayed - Sector 6
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C26) 280 Ranger [wave-2 = up to 1.3k extra XP]
w-1 (must kill 30 Ranger)
w-2 Mary 2ES 213Cav (OK vs. 250 ranger)
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Clever LT - 2.8k extra XP (Fast Learn-3) from 2 attacks. Still working on it (as well as on SLT). You won't get much extra XP from the Bandits part (roughneck, rangers, dogs), look for it in the Wildlife sectors.
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Clever - Sector 1
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C2) 200 Ranger [1k extra XP]
Mary 1ES 179Cav
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Clever - Sector 3
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C9 (80 Boar, 60 Wolf) and C10 (90 Boar, 50 Fox) could be decent targets for Mary, but after 1-2 waves with MMAs.
Leader 3, IF you have MMA skilled like Evil_J for wave-1 (or some specific, individual concoction, like Veteran with Master Planner and Rapid Fire 2/3)
Leader 3) 80 Bear, 40 Fox, 30 Giant [wave-2 = 1.8k extra XP]
w-1: *Skilled-MMA 235Bow (kills 54 Bear + 15 Fox) (10s)
w-2: Mary 48Rec 4Sol 1ES 25Bow 137XBow (20s = total 30s)
* - necessary skills for wave-1 MMA: Master Planner, Annex-3, Rapid Fire-3, please use a simulator to be sure if your general is ok (maybe Rapid Fire-2 could work too, still with Planner).
This setup is safe for Evil's double block (C12, C13), but you MUST use Platinum Horseshoes (no need for Confident Leader).
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Sons of LT - 3.6k extra XP (Fast Learn-3) from 2 attacks. Still working on it, unfortunatelly, it doesn't look very promising. You won't get much extra XP from the Bandits part (roughneck, rangers, dogs), look for it in the Wildlife sectors. If you have many unused MMAs (or use them where not making much difference), maybe you can get something more from this adv.
Spoiler
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Sons of LT - Sector Left-1
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Leader 2) 60 Bear, 40 Fox, 30 Giant [wave-2 = 1.9k extra XP]
w-1: unskilled-MMA 205Bow (kills 36 Bear + 15 fox)
w-2: Mary 52Rec 1ES 25Bow 137XBow (OK vs. 24/25/30)
Fights: 10s + 20s = 30 seconds, while Evil's guide has 24s seconds fight (due to Confident Leader-2 both on MMA and Major), so the block may be very tight.
Simple advice is to use Tavern general (instead of BHG) as wave-1 blocker on Camp 5, but I'm not sure if you need that slow general for the stacked (5x 1R) block on Camp 8. since I don't block C8.
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Sons of LT - Sector Left-2
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Leader 3) 70 Bear, 40 Fox, 20 Giant [wave-2 = 1.7k extra XP]
w-1: unskilled-MMA 220Bow (kills 39 Bear + 15 fox)
w-2: Mary 67Rec 1ES 25Bow 122XBow (OK vs. 31/25/20)
Fights: 10s + 20s = 30 seconds, ok for the block.
Just updates my wisdom guide it's now 712k of xp
https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/...l=1#post338116
I've finally written up a guide for Mary with pics. Did my YWC guide I've not had anywhere but in my head.
Mary.
Skills.
Options.
Swordsmen instead of Mounted Swordsmen where possible.
https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/...-Snazzy-Guides
Missing a couple of camps on first island:Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowBlizz
Unnamed camp at very top (50/50)
Mary: 20MS 195MM - Losses 18MS
Camp underneath that (160 Mounted Bowmen) Maybe not worth it for 4k XP
Mary: 215S - Losses 70S