For Victor the Vicious, it should be 35-40 rangers after the mma suicide, probably only changes the following by 1R at max though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tage
Also, for those with only an mma and no other fast gens, if you dont mind waiting 2-4 hours you can do a 3-way 1R block to get the first suicide in then wait for 2-4 hours and do the round block with mma as 2nd set of attacks.
i have a little problem with camp 10 the gen with 100c is not going to the wathtower but attacking camp 10 eh is not getting interceptet
Is that on Stealing From The Rich?Quote:
Originally Posted by heinwe
Lovely new bug introduced last maintenance. :(
You may also notice normal camps not collapsing after the Leader is defeated too.
Oh dear... :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nogbad
Seriously? :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Nogbad
Thanks, corrected and recalculated all second waves. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBarbarian
I have tried them, but I don't fully trust those multiple 1R blocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBarbarian
I know people use them, but personally consider them too great a risk for the guides.
STEALING FROM THE RICH + SFTR
Quote = From A to Camp 10) 30 Longbowman Deserters (Tower 9)
ANY general: [100C (-)]
When the first tower has been destroyed, and general A is being intercepted by the second tower
(as seen in the inset above), send general B to camp 10:
From B to Camp 10) 30 Soldier Deserters, 30 Cavalry Deserters, 40 Longbowman Deserters, 1 Sir Robin
ANY general: [200R (78R - 133R - 184R)]
ANY general: [137R 63S (73R - 120R - 137R 1S)] > End of quote.
The 1st wave of C was not intercepted by Towers 9 = Robin smacked the C / of course the final run with R+S went as promessed.
Hope it will be added into the guide = thanks.
The fact that general A doesn't become intercepted by the tower is a bug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamla
Thus, we cannot count on it to remain like that in the future.
I've added a note about it in the guide though.
As long as the bug isn't fixed, you can attack camp 10 directly, without using general A.
However, do be careful with those attacks.
I cannot guarantee that general B will not become intercepted by the towers even while this bug is still there.
Doesn't work. Need a block or will get intercepted by the middle camp.Quote:
Originally Posted by PrincessAlly
for bk is there a list of what troops are needed if you have a MMA with and with out cannons and would it be possible to to some how link it to the guide?? especially as the MoMA is mentiond in the intro
Not yet, no... I've updated almost all my guides (still a few to be done), and since it's inevitable that there will be errors after doing so many additions, I'd rather wait a while with adding the needed troops till I know all errors have been corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by fab-becky
i was doing a wots with tages guide, and with the block on camps 7-8-9 i saw the influence of the 1st camp reaches into owned area, while the 2nd gen never comes into the area of that first camp. wouldnt it be possible to send the 2nd general earlier since he shouldnt be intercepted as long as he is on territory the player controls ?
If camp to the right of Leader 13 is first attacked with MMA and no losses, second attack to leader camp will be intercepted by the camp in front of camp 13.
Unfortunately you will get intercepted within friendly territory, if that territory is one that you have conquered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven_Prince
Only territories which were yours from the beginning (e.g. landing zones) are safe in that respect.
Page 17 of this thread seems inaccessible to most people at the moment.
That affects those wanting to read the guide for Sons of the Veld.
Due to this I am reposting the SotV guide here, at least for the time being...
EDIT:
Since the original thread and the rest of page 17 seems to be fully accessible again, I've removed this backup post. :)
Old Friends
Hi Tage,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tage
I'm not sure these numbers are correct.. I trusted your guide (they're usually spot on!) and didn't check with a sim first, but this one failed :( Should it be 66 Elites instead (certainly looks like it on the sim).
Many thanks,
Tromba
Thanks a lot Tromba! Indeed, 66E is what it should have read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tromba
Sorry for your losses. Corrected the guide.
If someone wants to overuse MMA in BK guide these are the max troops needed: 562R 10M 46S 139E 283C 129XB 130K
One MASTER of Martial Arts and
One VETERAN general with Cannoneers
Two NORMAL generals using four round blocks:
- Units needed, maximum: 562R 10M 46S 139E 283C 129XB 130K (1299 units, +57R)
- Units lost, maximum: 557R 5M 8S 8C (+10C if 10 Cavalry Deserters remained at camp 15 and you don't want to wait 2 more hours, +57R if you're finishing the last sector with veteran)
This includes reduced number of recruits, added cavs for first MMA suicide wave, added crossbowmen for MMA attack on camp 10, and added cannoneers for final MMA attack on black castle.
Ive been toying around with numbers for Bandit's Nest and I get these 2 setups which should reduce losses:
9a) Master of Martial Arts: 1R (1R)
9b) Master of Martial Arts: 126R 6S 88XB (108R - 123R 0.25S - 126R 6S)
12a) Master of Martial Arts: 1R (1R)
12b) Master of Martial Arts: 72R 5S 10C 133XB (56R - 69R 0.2S - 72R 5S)
Also, given a price ratio of 1:2 for recruits to militia and 1:3 for recruits to soldiers as per last trade sheet I saw for Newfoundland, that means the following setups are slightly more cost efficient:
9a) Master of Martial Arts: 1R (1R)
9b) Master of Martial Arts: 40S 1E 179XB (29S - 35S - 40S)
12a) Master of Martial Arts: 1R (1R)
12b) Master of Martial Arts: 26S 12C 182XB (15S - 20S - 26S)
hiya great guides ON traitors adv, no mention of a need for xb in the last two set ups (troops needed list), but in guides still need them
For final attack on camp 11 using the 2 block method try using just 12 soldier and 88 elite with Veteran general, average soldier losses are 2.
That's the downside of a multiple options guide. If you'd checked the spoiler you'd see there's really no need of XB.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigburp
VTV
That makes 230troops in total, but MMA takes only 220!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tage
Thanks, should have read 45S. Corrected now! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottishDuchess
At Garrison Position G5 in VTV are camps C and D labels reversed in the image?
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...eJet/VtVJ5.jpg
Quote:
Position A: NORMAL general
Position B: NORMAL general
Position C: BATTLE HARDENED general or NORMAL general or VETERAN general
Position D: VETERAN general or BATTLE HARDENED general
Quote:
If you have Crossbows, follow this:
From C to Camp 12) 90 Roughnecks, 100 Guard Dogs, 1 Skunk, 1 One-Eyed Bert
ANY general: [113R (113R)] {40 seconds of fighting}
BATTLE HARDENED general: [113R (113R)] {20 seconds of fighting}
From D to Camp 12) 81-89 Roughnecks, 1 Skunk, 1 One-Eyed Bert
BATTLE HARDENED general: [81R 4S 115XB (57R - 72R - 81R 3S)] {40 seconds of fighting}
VETERAN general: [84R 1S 165XB (57R - 71R - 84R)] {40 seconds of fighting}
Nope, C is actually closer to camp 12 than D. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Korkin
Thanks for the swift reply!
That last MAJOR setup contains only 268..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tage
Should perhaps be..
MAJOR general: [74R 2S 1E 131C 34XB 28K (51R - 63R - 74R 2S)] {30-40 seconds of fighting}
Yes, quite right! Corrected! Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by SmurfAsH
HI.. for Bandit Nest little more tweaks to save few troops :
From C to Camp 12) 1 Metal Toothed, 50 Guard Dogs, 60 Roughnecks, 80 Rangers
Master of Martial Arts : 170R 1E 49K (3rounds of fighting 30 seconds Loss 130R-150-R-170R)
Using your Master of Martial Arts for the suicide:
From B to Camp 9) 1 Chuck, 50 Guard Dogs, 100 Roughnecks, 50 Rangers
MASTER of Martial Arts: [1R (1R)] {10 seconds of fighting}
From C to Camp 9) 1 Chuck, 100 Roughnecks, 25-30 Rangers
Major General : 129R 2E 40C 75XB 24K {20seconds fighting-2rounds Loss 111R-119R-129R}..
That one has a small chance of losing cannoneers. Thus, modified it a little so that only elites would die in those rare cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy_Santosh
Added, also slightly optimised. Thanks! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy_Santosh
Guide for using no CAV. (With MMA and Cannons)
1: 120R+80S+20B (av. loss 28 R)
2: 60R+80E+80K (av. loss 41 R)
3: 120R+60M+40E (av. loss 53R)
4: 60R+60S+20E+80K (av. loss 31R)
Secluded Experiments
Here are some suggestions for attacking with an MMA and options for keeping the recruit losses below 500 for the achievement. All of the following formations are for use with a Master of Martial Arts unless otherwise specified. Some fine tuning may yield further minor improvements. Maximum losses will be the first named troops plus 1 or 2 soldiers and elites if unlucky.
Will need max 228k and up to 566m.
Sector 2
camp C6: 81r, 2s, 137e or 52m, 2s, 166e
Sector 3
camp c11: 86r, 2s, 132e or 54m, 2s, 164e
Sector 4
camp c5: 105r, 115e or 65m, 1s, 154e
camp c15: 88r, 2s, 130k or 67m, 2s, 150k
Sector 1
camp c3 (losing 30c): 65r, 1e, 99c, 55xb or 39m, 1e, 125c, 55xb
camp c3 (no cav losses) : 96r, 1s, 1e, 122k or 62m, 1s, 1e, 156k
Sector 5
camp c16: 34m, 1s, 121c, 64k
camp c19: 115r, 105k (1 or 2 rounds) or 81m, 1s, 138k (1 round - best option)
Sector 6
I found the veteran general to be be a better option than the MMA for camp c21.
Sector 7
camp c27: 93r, 1s, 62c, 64k or 53m, 1s, 100c, 66k
Sector 8
camp c31: wave 1: 48r; wave 2: 81r, 1e, 46c, 92k or 46m, 1e, 73c, 100k (both 1 round)
Sector 9
camp c32: 55r, 36m, 1e, 60c, 68k
camp c33: 50m, 1e, 70c, 99k or 31s, 1e, 88c, 100k
Sector 10
camp c39: 46r, 1e, 138c, 35k (similar losses to vet option)
Dark Castle
wave 1: MMA with 1r (will kill 45-50 crossbowmen)
wave 2: any gen with 160b (165b if 5xb remain) (will kill all 50 elites and 20 canoneers, leaving the 2 big berthas)
wave 3: veteran with 22r and 228k
I haven't done all the adventures and I wish ppl would mention which adventure they're talking about!
tropical sun, last camp :
1 mma 1r : 2 MG 1es 188c 81xb
Lost Skull with MMA - all 4 achievements:
Bring: 52R - 40B - 178E - 79M - 3S (losses max: 79M 40B 52R 3S)
3 camps have a very slim chance of lossing 1S.
C1 - mma vs. 80 Deckscrubbers, 120 Knifethrowers --> 23M 1S 176E 20B (max 23M losses)
C2 - mma vs. 80 Caltrops, 120 Deckscrubbers --> 52R 168E (max 52R losses)
C3 - mma vs. 60 Caltrops, 140 Saberrattlers --> 35M 20B 1S 164E (max 35M + 20B losses)
C4 - mma vs. 1 Crazy Cook, 80 Gunmen, 20 Petty Officers --> 21M 20B 1S 178E (max 21M + 20B losses)
Added, with more options than just the Major General in wave 2. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven_Prince
what does the A stand for?
A = german "armborst" = XB = crossbow
or
That's the first general to send in a block.
Hi Tage hope you're well. In case it's of any interest, I've just posted a DB guide with a variation on your centre block, but leaving three extra leader camps surrounding the centre (and one in NW route) untouched to save losses.
Click here for the guide.
back on this topic, i had to do a wots for my daily, and decided to try this out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tage
after defeating the former leadercamp, with the borders there still red, my gen did indeed get intercepted, but after placing my gens in that sector(and visiting home island , that might matter), i tried again, and the gen only got intercepted after coming into the red borders of the sector i was attacking.
maybe it will need some further trying, but it seems the block could be made safer (if that is necesary)
this is about camp 7-8-9 of wots btw, heh