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Haai,
When you use the link from googledocs to: Newfoundland trade sheets [FWB] and you follow the VET adventure to The nords: The nords Hasmirs version. You get this map: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7030/38325221.png...
Unfortunatly if you look at camp 14, you'll see that the guide says to use 82R... This is a garanteed death of your general and your 167 Crossbow... This should be 82M.
I've learned this the hard way.... snif snif :-(
Gr MP
It's too late now and I'm sorry for your loss, but no matter matter what guides you're using, you ALWAYS should calculate every battle!Quote:
Originally Posted by Morpeth
Nords are the typical example of why you should use simulators on your own every time, you will notice that u can finish the map if u use R instead of M on few camps and B on the last camp (1: 50B 2: 50M 2S 198A (V) ), my losses this ways is always below 50M...Quote:
Originally Posted by sk_setttler
Morpeth i'm sorry but you are using an old version of map. There is allways room for errors in this business, and I allways update the maps when error is found. But I cant be guilty for not using the latest map available. Thats why you should allways look for the most recent map here on forum.
And ra_v_en, whats helping you if you loose 50B, 50M and R (or M) for camp 12? The best way is to attack camp 14 from g5 position and get intercepted to camp11 without losses. I will put this as soon as possible into forum map.
Well sorry to drop this on you but most probably all this hard work will be rendered useless thanks to BB's latest modifications(according to the test server) :
"Path finding : the general now takes a straight way to his destination"
Just great...
Well that's unfornute. If they're serious, and it will be implemented in all adventures...I don't know about you gyus, but I never liked doing my "homework" twice, this will probably the end for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eliseu
I wouldn't mind if they introduce like 10-20 new adventures and there can be a new, straight way of path finding, but I think BB should leave the old adventures at peace...OR better said, if BB wants something to change I would recommend to concentrate more on removing bugs (like in Traitors) IMHO.
I found a great setting for outlaws (lvl41+):
Camp 14 (1 metal toothed, 2 skunks)
1ES 249XB - no losses :)
Don't know about your server but on our u can get bows for almost free... its hard even to sell 400lbs for 30 gc nowadays + I personally don't produce bows and swords except of bronze, so obviously from my point of view i would rather waste 5x more R or B than M... just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hasmir
Anyways another useful tip i didn't see anywhere is not to make blocks or use "last second" retreats with someone else than you on the adventure (even invitations), it puts additions time/lag (probably some kind of synchronization). General is walking away from the garrison at least 5-6 seconds later (walking horse animation), retreat take longer to activate as well. The starting positions can be compromised in such conditions.
Sure bows are almost free in our server too, but I had in mind R you need for camp 12. You can avoid that.
And about not inviting people before blocks are done, I put it inside BK and VtV, and wrote on this thread on various occasions. I hope that was clear enough for players to know, to not invite before all blocks are done. But I must say I dont understand the physics behind this lag :D
Thanks Lisztes, setup noted, will think about putting it inside.
Still setups for camp 5,9,10 and the 13 on VtV is basically messed up with losses, example camp 13 180R 5S 65ES losses is 180R, 5S, 2ES ..not 180R,1S. Fortunately just started with ES so checking all setups just in case. 181R 69ES (181R, 3ES) would be best 1 wave attack... still prefer not to loose any ES.
Ra_V_en the chance of loosing ES is only few percant and since VtV is a very expensive adventure already I decided to take a "chance" and put this setup inside. In Outlaws where you can loose 4S I lost 2 times 1S and played it 20+ times. And in outlaws the chance of loosing S is much higher. VtV is a big adventure with many camps and there are many options how to play it, this is my version.
I also updated With and Pirates with new garrison positions, since patch changed them. Pirates also have a 3rd block which reduces losses by 50R.
There is also new Nords map, which by the help of sk_settler avoids camps12 and 13 and drop down losses by 30% for R.
Hasmir. just done Nords or rather I was doing it, sent in 167XB, 82M & 1ES to camp 12 being intercepted by 11. Battle sim first and I won but when doing it on map I lost leaving 13 Housecarl and 30 Berserk in camp. Not sure why as I had a friend actually take out 5 bandits from 11 as well so should not have had a problem. Any ideas?
Like we discussed, all simulatiors give the same result (win), and nobady else playing it didnt suffer from this problem, so there must be a game change/error or you maybe sent R instead of M. I hope that support ticket will help to solve the mistery of this problem. :D
I'm testing the new pathfinding system on the testserver on my favourite adventure, Outlaws.
First:
You can skip camp2 while you attack camp3, which is a good thing :)
http://kepkezelo.com/images/sdfj6rjqud148hwvg6pz.png
You can attack directly camp16 (for a longblock)
http://kepkezelo.com/images/mniwc6skipc8zoz66n5d.png
V=veteran, G=normal general
Attack camp16 with normal general, when he reaches the red X, attack camp17 with your veteran.
Bad news:
You can't skip this camp anymore:
http://kepkezelo.com/images/dtni4u4jpdofxmplkur.png
Which means your losses will be bigger with ~100R...
Now I have to work, I'll update this post.
Update #1
New blocking method needed on the west:
http://kepkezelo.com/images/0e1bky3t9ttn966cddc9.png
Attack camp18 with G1, when he reaches the red X attack camp19 with G2, when he reaches the pink X, attack camp 20 with veteran. Do not hurry with the attacks, you have enough time.
Update #2
New blocking method needed on the east:
http://kepkezelo.com/images/d7mguqvjfvfde5og0ng.png
Attack camp6 with G1, when he reaches the red X, attack camp5 with G2. When G1 leaves the pink X attack camp7 with your veteran.
Update #3
New blocking method needed in the middle:
http://kepkezelo.com/images/mslkco693hfmx3mbh4a2.png
Attack camp11 with G1, when he reaches the red X, attack camp12 with G2 and camp13 with G3. When they leaves the pink X (the borderline) attack camp13 with your veteran.
Finally I finished it. The old longblocks still work, all we need is to defeat one more camp (+max losses: 100R), and we can skip an easy one.
Island of Pirates, camp 3. Looks like your troop setup (65R 185 ES) is a little too tight, 2 ES lost. Interestingly that's more than the simulator predicts, which only expects a max of 1 ES lost after 2000 runs.
Lymond thanks for noticing that. Will fix to 72R 178ES asap.
Edited: I changed troops to 72R 17ES.
http://www7.pic-upload.de/12.05.12/x9km9mlcnnl2.png
EURO event is here! There is no map needed for this one, since you just follow the camps, so you
can use the sheetspread that me and Grow made for the event.
Battle setups for ES, XB, C and R
Reward: 80650XP and 540 Footballs
Setups for lvl 36+ obviouslyQuote:
Originally Posted by Hasmir
True... ES and XB are kind of lvl36+ arent they? ;)
SFTR G3 position can vary a bit so +150 wo to consider, I think its due to fact that now buildings in the area where leader is killed don't disappear now or i just got bugged map.
Here's my small contribution for The Dark Brotherhood if someone is bored with the other guides already, I've add one fancy block:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/638/tdbraven2.th.jpg
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...&rm=full#gid=0
Well, I just lost my 6 XBmen on Outlaws. Maybe because I played it more than 30... But it hurts :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hasmir
Since Killste seems to have gone inactive, my version of Outlaws also seems to have lost attention (he never posted a link to it on his front page).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisztes
However, in there I have a version that won't risk losing any crossbows, and still won't require sacrifying militia (you will lose some 215-220 recruits though)...
The total length of these two battles is 3 rounds, same as Hasmirs's 155R 20M 4S 71XB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tage
But I don't have BH general unfortunately, and the losses are pretty high there...
My setup:
152R 20M 7S 71XB
After 1400 simulations the worst case: [152R 20M 6S]. After 2000: [152R 20M 7S].
And up to and over 20XB after 99,999 simulations... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Lisztes
Yeah, I know, the risk is so small, it doesn't really exist... :o
Yet, it's bound to happen some time...
Replacing even more recruits with soldiers can make the setup as close to 100% as you can get though (on not losing crossbows),
without really risking any significant amount of extra soldiers (even after 99,999 simulations)...
E.g. 148R 20M 10S 2E 70XB, average losses: [148R 18-20M 0-1S], worst case: [148R 20M 10S]
Sorry about Tage my inactive, I was in vacation, well Im back :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tage
Welcome back, mate!!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Killste
TIoP: camp 5 (40Ca, 40Gm, 40Sr)
The best setup I found (without ES) witha a program is: 54S 2R 3B, minimum 5 rounds (counting with the smoking part). I hope it will help, I'll try it soon.
for camp 2 (50ca, 100Ds)
51S 4R 5B
Update:
I tried both, they worked.
I have to make you a compliment Hasmir :) Im currently playing BK and your map is precise and very clear, blocks worked fine even when there's a slight lag now. But looks very promising for rest of adv. Keep up the good work!
The island of pirates:
9 camps block when attack 10 camps with first and second wave: u can use 61 soldier instead of 54 ES for the block.
Try one time, work me (min block round 5 then win my 61 soldier, max round 12 with lose).
VTV
I am using your tactical map for VTV and block 1 position failed for 2nd time! I lost xbows and did my best for this block to succeed, but something is messed up...
@speedydust
I did it succesfully. Have you noticed any lag? Have you sent the attacks in the right order?? (camp from the back meaning one in G3 position blocks camp 3, camp in G2 position blocks camp 4 and camp/-s in G1+G1* position attacks camp 5) Also remembered not to send them one after another but to wait till each general reaches that particular position on the map
Maybe you should try killing one camp (camp 3) and try blocking only the other (camp 4) untill you feel secure enough on yourself to try double-blocking on this particular adventure. Thats what I did couple of times (see picture) before I tried (and succeeded) the doubles.
http://i45.tinypic.com/29m11mh.png
Original map from which Hasmir used the garrison positions,
and time to launch the subsequent general.
These are the best guides and trust me I seen a lot. Thank you very much for this
I did this adventure more than 10 times and none block was any problem to me, even once I've did it with another person attached, ofc the timing was different due to "out of garrison" lag but still if u are clever enough u can adjust it in no time with some stopwatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by speedydust
Since now there's the path thing it is to late to speculate about that until new maps are here.
Btw this very first block was really close one time tho... the first blocking camp started to flash with the progress bar to quick but fortunately veteran made it quicker.
Oh and yeah Polimer I see someone attached to your adventure ... thats really risky, keep in mind that the starting positions is done for one player only... the generals are going out from the garrisons almost 5-6 seconds longer then on solo play.... but you've cleared the first camp so in that case that had to be good enough.
Hi Hasmir , hi settlers :)
After a 6 weeks vacation from playing adventures I've played VtV yesterday with the new pathing and some new blocks and the result: my personal record for minimum losses.
Here's the garrison setup!
Tactical map
Note: I don't have pictures for blocking camp 2+3+4 and camp 18, because I experienced 12-15sec lag, so it would be pointless and also it's a setup for 48+ lvl players with cannoneers and two veterans (for blocking camp 18), so maybe next time :) ... I hope some setups, will be usefull....bye 4 now.
Hasmir your BK map isn't visible anymore.
Hasmirs has quit playing, so not very likely he's going to reupload it.
Besides, he never updated his maps for the new pathinding.
Regardless, his full size BK map is still available here. :)
it doesn't work, you get intercepted on the first attack...
The path finding is not working like the drawing in the picture , the general goes from left and the center of the map not from right and across the shore :((
please guys, allways check first posts on adventure guides threads;
Quote:
To the guide users, the thread starter hasn't updated the map to take into acount
the new pathings of the general. Your general may be intercepted and blocks may
not work
When thread starter comes back and starts update map(s) to new pathfinding system,
this message can deleted.
Best
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