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27.08.14 16:03
DeathWalkerGT

::C::at your disposal
28.08.14 00:22
pelltor2

Your Guides have changed
01.09.14 11:49
Kris3457

About Tropical Sun's last camp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tage

Added, with more options than just the Major General in wave 2. ;)

Camp 9) 30 Thugs, 50 Guard Dogs, 1 Skunk
wave_1: MMA: 1R
wave_2: Vet: [1E 219C 30XB/K (-)]

Sorry for being annoying about 1R, just pointing out that there's no need to kill Skunk in 1 round, if you have an elite.
01.09.14 21:30
Tage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris3457

About Tropical Sun's last camp

Camp 9) 30 Thugs, 50 Guard Dogs, 1 Skunk
wave_1: MMA: 1R
wave_2: Vet: [1E 219C 30XB/K (-)]

Sorry for being annoying about 1R, just pointing out that there's no need to kill Skunk in 1 round, if you have an elite.

Quite right (similarly as is the case with Outlaw's camp 7). Made some adjustments. :)
21.09.14 21:12
Asiastrings

Tage! Hello! Miss you and hope all is well with you... and Killste! LadyB! Miss everyone please say hello on testing server.
Cheers;
Asiastrings
28.09.14 00:21
SmurfAsH

The Sons of the Little Tailor - MoMA, MG & Assassin - guide

Not updated.

Spoiler

Top of Post

>> Jump to Bottom

|>> Jump to Troops requirement

|>> Jump to Sector 1

|>> Jump to Sector 2

|>> Jump to Sector 3

|>> Jump to Sector 4

|>> Jump to Sector 5

|>> Jump to Sector 6

|>> Jump to Sector 7

|>> Jump to Sector 8

|>> Jump to Sector 9

This guide is based on the
The Sons of the Little Tailor - Dual 250, Cannon - guide
ie, mostly a combination of
Polymer's combo (of Nighteye`s and Athlan`s guides)
and
Evil_J's Dual Veteran General version.

Some garrison pictures and tips are from
Killste's Modified Sons of the Little Tailor.

Also credits to Jamdoggy for his
Forum Guide Using BB-tags

I've skipped some risky blocks from Evil_J's guide
and reduced some losses.

If requested, I may add alternatives as "quotes" or as "spoilers".

I've used SettlersOnlineTools - Combat Simulator
and settlersonlinesimulator - dso_kampfsimulator.

Tips from Killste:

You don't need to play as guide ordered.
After sector 1 you can take 3 different path. You can attack sector 2, Sector 5 or Sector 7.

Also if you want attack different Sectors same time (lets say 3), put 3 different tabs to your browers.
First tab shows Sector 2, second tab shows Sector 5 and third Sector 7.
Well ofcourse this is only possible if you have enough generals and troops.

You also can use this in other Adventures.
My favorite is Outlaws, where I usually attack 2 different route at the same time ;)

Legend:
BLOCK
REGULAR general (from tavern)
ANY general
FAST general (ie Battle Hardened General, Grim Reaper, et c)
VETERAN general
MASTER of Martial Arts
MAJOR general

Minimal General ::G::Requirements

4 REGULAR general

1 FAST general

1 VETERAN general

1 MASTER of Martial Arts

1 MAJOR general

Recommended General ::G::Requirements

Minimal General Requirements and...

+1 FAST general. Your first fast general attack at sector 5, C4 First wave.
Second time you need fast general is at sector 8, C3 First wave. If you are fast enough, your first fast general is still unconscious from first attack and you may wait some time. Blocking required.

Troops

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required: {3900} ::R::1608 R + ::M::123 M + ::S::154 S + ::E::326 ES + ::C::306 C + ::B::1030 B + ::A::137 XB + ::K::216 K

::skull::max losses: - ::R::1604 R - ::M::123 M - ::S::27 S - ::B::1030 B

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polymer

Sons of the Little Tailor

This is a 99% mix of Nighteye`s and Athlan`s guides. All credits go to them.
If for whatever reason you find yourself in a rough spot, use them for ideas with confidence.
During this adventure try saving your slow generals (use for wave 1 sacrifice fast generals as much as possible), enough triple or quad blocks to need the slow generals.

In the interess of having clear pictures, for most of them I gave up on drawing the lines, instead I used color codes: camp 1 blue hits on camp 1 red, camp 2 blue on camp 2 red and so on.
Camps 0 and 00 are to be destroyed before any blocks.

http://static3.thesettlersonline.com...r/ornament.pngSector 1

required: {969} ::R::126 R + ::M::45 M + ::S::97 S + ::E::258 ES + ::C::306 C + ::K::137 K

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http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/8558/wxgf.png

General ::G::Placement.

1. REGULAR general BLOCK. {199} ::M::39 M + ::E::120 ES + ::C::40 C .......................

2. REGULAR general BLOCK. {194} ::S::96 S + ::C::98 C
3. REGULAR general BLOCK. {200} ::M::1 M + ::E::34 ES + ::C::165 C
4. REGULAR general BLOCK. {106} ::E::103 ES + ::C::3 C

5. MAJOR general. {270} ::R::126 R + ::M::5 M + ::S::1 S + ::E::1 ES + ::K::137 K (::skull::- 126 R - 5 M loss)

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6568/vo1b.png

c1: 180 rough, 20 ranger
REGULAR general BLOCK: {199} ::M::39 M + ::E::120 ES + ::C::40 C {7-15 rounds}

Send general ::G::2, after general ::G::1 has arrived as following image shows................

c2: 130 rough, 70 ranger
REGULAR general BLOCK: {194} ::S::96 S + ::C::98 C {7-12 rounds}

c3: 90 rough, 110 ranger
REGULAR general BLOCK: {200} ::M::1 M + ::E::34 ES + ::C::165 C {7-11 rounds}

c4: 120 dogs, 80 roughneck
REGULAR general BLOCK: {106} ::E::103 ES + ::C::3 C {8-13 rounds}

c5 leader: 80 dogs, 119 rough, 1 OneEyed Bert
MAJOR general. {270} ::R::126 R + ::M::5 M + ::S::1 S + ::E::1 ES + ::K::137 K (::skull::- 126 R - 5 M) 2 rounds

::skull::max losses in sector 1: - ::R::126 R - ::M::5 M

http://static3.thesettlersonline.com...r/ornament.pngSector 2

required: {664} ::S::96 S + ::E::132 ES + ::C::166 C + ::B::133 B + ::A::137 XB
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Recommendation: Attack Sector 7 first, to reuse garrison and if you have only minimum required generals.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/7906/foq6.png

General ::G::Placement.
1. REGULAR general BLOCK. {194} ::S::96 S + ::C::98 C
2. REGULAR general BLOCK. {200} ::E::132 ES + ::C::68 C
3. MAJOR general. {270} ::B::133 B + ::A::137 XB (::skull::- 133 B loss)

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/3281/2tp6.png

hits in order to corresponding camps

c1: 50 bear, 40 wolfpack leaders
REGULAR general BLOCK: {194} ::S::96 S + ::C::98 C

c2: 110 bear
REGULAR general BLOCK: {200} ::E::132 ES + ::C::68 C

c3 leader: 60 bear, 40 fox, 30 giant
MAJOR general: {270} ::B::133 B + ::A::137 XB (::skull::- 133 B)

::skull::max losses in sector 2: - ::B::133 B

http://static3.thesettlersonline.com...r/ornament.pngSector 3

required: {466} ::E::98 ES + ::C::98 C + ::B::172 B + ::A::98 XB
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http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9393/re7t.png

General ::G::Placement.
1. REGULAR general BLOCK. {196} ::E::98 ES + ::C::98 C
2. MAJOR general. {270} ::B::172 B + ::A::98 XB (::skull::- 172 B loss)

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7219/4700.png

c1: 20 boar, 80 bear
REGULAR general BLOCK via attacking c2: {196} ::E::98 ES + ::C::98 C

c2 leader: 70 bear, 40 fox, 20 giant
MAJOR general: {270} ::B::172 B + ::A::98 XB (::skull::- 172 B)

::skull::max losses in sector 3: - ::B::172 B

http://static3.thesettlersonline.com...r/ornament.pngSector 4

required: {567} ::R::140 R + ::M::94 M + ::E::99 ES + ::C::98 C + ::K::136 K
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http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3102/nrnm.png

General ::G::Placement.
1. REGULAR general BLOCK. {196} ::E::98 ES + ::C::98 C
2. MAJOR general. {250} ::R::39 R + ::M::94 M + ::E::1 ES + ::K::136 K (::skull::- 39 R - 94 M loss)

Remember to first kill camp 0, before attempting to block

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1627/c8vx.png

c0: 40 bear, 70 wolfpack leaders
MAJOR general: {270} ::R::101 R + ::C::69 C + ::K::100 K (::skull::- 101 R)

c1: 90 wolf, 60 wolfpack leaders
REGULAR general BLOCK: {196} ::E::98 ES + ::C::98 C

c2 leader: 90 fox, 20 giant, 1 giant bear
MAJOR general: {270} ::R::39 R + ::M::94 M + ::E::1 ES + ::K::136 K (::skull::- 39 R - 94 M)

::skull::max losses in sector 4: - ::R::140 R - ::M::94 M

http://static3.thesettlersonline.com...r/ornament.pngSector 5

required: {1053} ::R::235 R + ::M::1 M + ::S::154 S + ::E::178 ES + ::C::165 C + ::B::180 B + ::K::140 K
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http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1060/1lql.png

General ::G::Placement.
1. REGULAR general BLOCK. {198} ::E::198 ES
2. REGULAR general BLOCK. {200} ::M::1 M + ::E::79 ES + ::C::120 C
3. REGULAR general BLOCK. {200} ::R::1 R + ::S::154 S + ::C::45 C
4. FAST general. {139} ::B::139 B (::skull::- 139 B loss)
5. MAJOR general. {270} ::R::129 R + ::E::1 ES + ::K::140 K (::skull::- 129 R loss)

Remember to first kill camp 0, before attempting to block

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1474/7paf.png

c0: 110 boar, 40 wolf
MAJOR general: {270} ::R::105 R + ::B::41 B + ::K::124 K (::skull::- 105 R - 41 B)

c1 = trap : 90 bear, 50 fox, 1 lying goat
REGULAR general BLOCK: {198} ::E::198 ES

c2: 70 bear, 40 fox
REGULAR general BLOCK: {200} ::M::1 M + ::E::79 ES + ::C::120 C

BLOCK camp 3 indirectly by attacking c4 and getting intercepted:
c3: 140 boar
REGULAR general BLOCK via c4: {200} ::R::1 R + ::S::154 S + ::C::45 C

c4: 70 bear, 50 fox, 20 giant
FAST general W1: {139} ::B::139 B (::skull::-139 B)
MAJOR general W2: {270} ::R::129 R + ::E::1 ES + ::K::140 K (::skull::- 129 R)

::skull::max losses in sector 5: - ::R::234 R - ::B::180 B

http://static3.thesettlersonline.com...r/ornament.pngSector 6

required: {1134} ::R::380 R + ::E::147 ES + ::C::54 C + ::B::390 B + ::K::163 K
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http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9716/u0vf.png

General ::G::Placement.
1. REGULAR general BLOCK. {200} ::E::146 ES + ::C::54 C

2. No need - use 1 Assassin on camp 2: 190 boar
3. VETERAN general. {250} ::B::250 B (::skull::- 250 B loss)
4. MAJOR general. {270} ::R::106 R + ::E::1 ES + ::K::163 K (::skull::- 106 R loss)

Remember to first put 1 Assassin on camp 2, kill camp 0 and 00 before attempting to block

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/3888/n0qp.png

c2: 190 boar
Use 1 Assassin

c0: 120 boar, 70 wolf
ANY general W1: {140} ::R::140 B (::skull::- 140 B)
MAJOR general W2: {270} ::R::144 R + ::E::1 ES + ::K::125 K (::skull::- 144 R)

c00: 90 boar, 40 bear
MAJOR general: {270} ::R::130 R + ::E::1 ES + ::K::139 K (::skull::- 130 R)

c1: 90 bear, 50 wolf
REGULAR general BLOCK: {200} ::E::146 ES + ::C::54 C {Rounds: 7 (0.09%) - 9.95 - 14 [losing @ 8 (0.37%)]}

c3 leader: 70 bear, 90 wolfpack leaders, 1 Giant Gogor (Giant Leader II)
VETERAN general W1: {250} ::B::250 B (::skull::- 250 B) --- 2 rounds, veteran rests
MAJOR general W2: {270} ::R::106 R + ::E::1 ES + ::K::163 K (::skull::- 106 R) --- 4 rounds

::skull::max losses in sector 6: - ::R::380 R - ::B::390 B

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil_J

http://static3.thesettlersonline.com...r/ornament.pngSector 7

required: {779} ::R::92 R + ::M::5 M + ::S::1 S + ::E::168 ES + ::C::187 C + ::B::155 B + ::K::171 K
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http://s1.directupload.net/images/131221/3yi5io87.png

General ::G::Placement.
1. REGULAR general BLOCK. {200} ::E::13 ES + ::C::187 C
2. REGULAR general BLOCK. {154} ::E::154 ES
3. MAJOR general. {270} ::R::92 R + ::M::5 M + ::S::1 S + ::E::1 ES + ::K::171 K (::skull::- 92 R - 5 M loss)

Remember to first kill camp 0, before attempting to block

http://s14.directupload.net/images/131221/uwar6p3c.png

c0: 80 bear, 50 wolf
MAJOR general {270} ::B::155 B + ::K::115 K (::skull::- 155 B)

c1: 70 wolfpack, 30 fox
REGULAR general BLOCK: {200} ::E::13 ES + ::C::187 C

BLOCK camp 2 indirectly by attacking c3 and getting intercepted:
c2: 40 boar, 60 fox, 50 giant
REGULAR general BLOCK via c2: {154} ::E::154 ES

c3 leader: 100 dogs, 100 roughneck
MAJOR general. {270} ::R::92 R + ::M::5 M + ::S::1 S + ::E::1 ES + ::K::171 K (::skull::- 92 R - 5 M)

::skull::max losses in sector 7: - ::R::92 R - ::M::5 M - ::B::155 B

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polymer

http://static3.thesettlersonline.com...r/ornament.pngSector 8

required: {1145} ::R::436 R + ::M::1 M + ::E::206 ES + ::C::180 C + ::K::122 K
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http://s14.directupload.net/images/140925/sf89p657.jpg

General ::G::Placement.
1. REGULAR general BLOCK. {193} ::R::1 R + ::E::107 ES + ::C::85 C
2. REGULAR general BLOCK. {194} ::M::1 M + ::E::98 ES + ::C::95 C
3. FAST general. {200} ::R::200 R (::skull::- 200 R loss)
4. MASTER of Martial Arts. {220} ::R::97 R + ::E::1 ES + ::K::122 K (::skull::- 97 R loss)

Remember to first kill camp 0 and 00 before attempting to block

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/6531/8pz7.png

c0: 150 roughneck, 50 ranger
MASTER of Martial Arts: {220} ::R::149 R + ::K::71 K (::skull::- 149 R)

c00: 20 dog, 180 roughneck
MAJOR general: {270} ::R::189 R + ::E::1 ES + ::K::80 K (::skull::- 189 R)

c1: 70 dogs, 130 roughneck
REGULAR general BLOCK: {193} ::R::1 R + ::E::107 ES + ::C::85 C {8-14 rounds, most~9)

c2: 80 dogs, 120 roughneck
REGULAR general BLOCK: {194} ::M::1 M + ::E::98 ES + ::C::95 C {7-13 rounds, most~9}

c3 leader: 30 dogs, 180 roughneck, 40 ranger
FAST general W1: {200} ::R::200 R (::skull::- 200 R) -- use fast gen, 2 rounds
MASTER of Martial Arts W2: {220} ::R::97 R + ::E::1 ES + ::K::122 K (::skull::- 97 R) --- 2 rounds

::skull::max losses in sector 8: - ::R::635 R

http://static3.thesettlersonline.com...r/ornament.pngSector 9

required: {704} ::R::197 R + ::M::21 M + ::E::229 ES + ::C::167 C + ::K::90 K
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http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/6780/7bxx.png

General ::G::Placement.
1. REGULAR general BLOCK. {200} ::E::68 ES + ::C::132 C
2. REGULAR general BLOCK. {197} ::M::2 M + ::E::160 ES + ::C::35 C
3. MASTER of Martial Arts. {220} ::R::110 R + ::M::19 M + ::E::1 ES + ::K::90 K (::skull::- 110 R - 19 M loss)

Remember to first kill camp 0 before attempting to block

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/1895/qt14.png

Invite lootspotters to send 1C to this camp:

c0: 120 dogs, 80 ranger
MASTER of Martial Arts: {91} ::R::91 R (::skull::- 87R)

Time to wrap it up:

c1: 120 roughneck, 80 ranger
REGULAR general BLOCK: {200} ::E::68 ES + ::C::132 C

c2: 200 roughneck
REGULAR general BLOCK: {197} ::M::2 M + ::E::160 ES + ::C::35 C

c3 leader: 80 dogs, 119 roughneck, 1 Cudgel Claus (Thug Leader)
MASTER of Martial Arts: {220} ::R::110 R + ::M::19 M + ::E::1 ES + ::K::90 K (::skull::- 110 R - 19 M)

::skull::max losses in sector 9: - ::R::197 R - ::M::19 M

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01.10.14 14:13
SmurfAsH
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tage

Island of the Pirates

One MAJOR general with Cannoneers
Three NORMAL generals, using three round blocks
Units needed, average: 221R 30S 154E 249C 1B 165K (819 units)

Units needed, maximum: 241R 32S 154E 249C 1B 165K (841 units)

Units lost, minimum: 186R

Units lost, average: 217R

Units lost, maximum: 241R 2S

One MASTER of Martial Arts with Cannoneers
Three NORMAL generals, using three round blocks
Units needed, average: 157R 30S 171E 199C 1B 120K (678 units)

Units needed, maximum: 179R 31S 171E 199C 1B 120K (701 units)

Units lost, minimum: 122R

Units lost, average: 152R

Units lost, maximum: 179R 1S

Last edited by Tage; 26.07.14 at 20:06. Reason: Corrected generals with cannoneers for camp 10 (1E -> 1M)
You forget to add 1M in requirement lists.
03.10.14 14:42
Tage

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmurfAsH

You forget to add 1M in requirement lists.

So I did... thanks mate! :)
03.10.14 20:28
BillythePiggy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tage

[CENTER]

Horseback

One ANY general with Longbows
One NORMAL general using three 1R blocks
Units needed, average: 390R 162S 91B 65LB (708 units)

Units needed, maximum: 415R 168S 91B 65LB (739 units)

Units lost, minimum: 332R 90B

Units lost, average: 387R 90B

Units lost, maximum: 415R 91B 6S

If you skipped the round block for Camps 3-5 above, continue here.

Move your best general and one normal general (for the 1R block) to garrision position G3:
Position A: NORMAL general (needed for a 1R block)

Position B: ANY general

The following 1R block is recommended if you do not have a fast general. Send both generals right after each other:

From A to Camp 3) 60 Lance Riders
BLOCKING NORMAL general: [1R (1R)] {20 seconds of fighting}

From B to Camp 4) 90 Nomads, 90 Composite Bowmen
ANY general: [200R (30R - 43R - 62R)]
ANY general: [68R 132LB (29R - 33R - 38R)]
ANY general: [38R 162S (29R - 33R - 38R 1S)]
ANY general: [36R 39S 125LB (28R - 33R - 36R)]
VETERAN general: [36R 175S (28R - 33R - 36R)]

It takes less than 10 seconds for general B to engage camp 4, from the moment when general A starts his fight on camp 3.
Hey there, while I was checking unit comps for my HB I seemed to come across this.
I don't know but it seems to me that even when I used the 1R block at the G3 position, I would need 125 to 132 LB.
So at the units needed maximum part shouldn't the 65 LB be 132 LB?
Sorry if I miss understood something while reading through the guide.
03.10.14 23:19
Tage
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillythePiggy

So at the units needed maximum part shouldn't the 65 LB be 132 LB?

Thanks Billy!
I had those longbows (or crossbows) completely missed out.
Now corrected to show 125LB maximum, as that is what is needed if you have soldiers.
The average loss would still be the same (33R) if you use [38R 162S], but it is better to bring the longbows if you've got them.

EDIT:

Also added a summary for those not having soldiers, but still wanting to try the three 1R blocks.
This is the case where you would want those 132 longbows:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tage

One ANY general with Longbows
One NORMAL general using three 1R blocks
Units needed, average: 525R 92B 132LB (749 units)

Units needed, maximum: 579R 92B 132LB (803 units)

Units lost, minimum: 347R 90B

Units lost, average: 413R 90B

Units lost, maximum: 485R 92B
04.10.14 09:41
BillythePiggy

Alright, glad to be some use. :)
22.10.14 03:04
Paula_Ravenhawk

On Island of the Pirates I follow your guide, but have found that by sending all my fast generals with all the required troops that I can finish the first sector while the slow generals are still travelling to the adventure. To do this I need to use a fast (BHG, Grim, Vet or Major) general to block on the second attack (first block), but it seems there is plenty of time for this block to succeed. In order for it to work I need to make sure I send the MMA first, so that I can reposition it in the bottom landing spot in order to use it for both the first and second attack, but this has never been a problem for me. (You can also just attack the other camp rather than blocking as the losses are pretty low, but if there is little danger in using a fast general to block, I see no reason not to).
26.10.14 12:07
Tage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paula_Ravenhawk

On Island of the Pirates I follow your guide, but have found that by sending all my fast generals with all the required troops that I can finish the first sector while the slow generals are still travelling to the adventure. To do this I need to use a fast (BHG, Grim, Vet or Major) general to block on the second attack (first block), but it seems there is plenty of time for this block to succeed.

Yes, that's how I've been doing it as well.
That first block lasts a minimum of 60 seconds if you're using a fast general for it. That is enough time if your main general is another fast one, in which case the main battle would be lasting a total of 30-50 seconds, including the 10 s time for marching through the agro zone.
26.10.14 19:02
Korkin

Fantastic job, well done to all concerned, but I spotted an error in the Lootspot for SFTR - you need 3R not 1R to guarantee a kill against 40 wolves.
27.10.14 14:58
Fan-Tom-As

yes, great job. And I agree with Korkin, 1R not enough. 3R or 1C. Otherwise perfect description. Thanks!
30.10.14 09:25
Tage

Thanks, lootspot in SftR corrected to either 3R or 1C. :)
For some reason I thought those wolves did not have first strike... either my memory is fading, or they've changed it...
30.10.14 13:14
Kris3457

1 cav with any general can leave you empty-handed, wolves have 10 HP, cav does 5 or 10 damage :)
31.10.14 11:37
Tage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris3457

1 cav with any general can leave you empty-handed, wolves have 10 HP, cav does 5 or 10 damage :)

Of course... corrected!
17.11.14 06:46
Philos

i'd probably repeat problem gamers already saw, but nevertheless

(in traitors) i always use the option:
One VETERAN general with Cannoneers
One BATTLE HARDENED general
Two NORMAL generals using two round blocks

Units needed, average: 313R 8M 125S 89E 373C 102K (1010 units)
Units needed, maximum: 324R 8M 128S 89E 373C 102K (1024 units)

ie. i dont bring any XB's

and when i come to killing camp 10, it says:

From A to Camp 10) 100 Soldier Deserters, 100 Longbowman Deserters
VETERAN general: [144R 6S 65C 35LB (113R - 137R - 144R 5S)]
VETERAN general: [130R 3S 96C 21XB (100R - 116R - 130R 2S)]
MASTER of Martial Arts: [113R 2S 62C 43LB (87R - 101R - 113R 1S)]
MASTER of Martial Arts: [100R 2S 58C 60XB (68R - 84R - 100R 1S)]

and it is so frustrating

so, hopefully, after giving it enough attention to write this post, maybe i'll remember next time to bring XBtroops ....
17.11.14 09:46
Dialecticus

Philos, I had similar beef with BK MMA setup, which has some errors, and also not catered to my style. Used my setup for a while and eventually posted it in this thread. I keep this URL in my bookmarks. I thought that the guide was not updated for the errors, but it see now that it was. Good things happen eventually.
17.11.14 13:03
Tage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philos

i'd probably repeat problem gamers already saw, but nevertheless

(in traitors) i always use the option:
One VETERAN general with Cannoneers
One BATTLE HARDENED general
Two NORMAL generals using two round blocks

Units needed, average: 313R 8M 125S 89E 373C 102K (1010 units)
Units needed, maximum: 324R 8M 128S 89E 373C 102K (1024 units)

ie. i dont bring any XB's

and when i come to killing camp 10, it says:

From A to Camp 10) 100 Soldier Deserters, 100 Longbowman Deserters
VETERAN general: [144R 6S 65C 35LB (113R - 137R - 144R 5S)]
VETERAN general: [130R 3S 96C 21XB (100R - 116R - 130R 2S)]
MASTER of Martial Arts: [113R 2S 62C 43LB (87R - 101R - 113R 1S)]
MASTER of Martial Arts: [100R 2S 58C 60XB (68R - 84R - 100R 1S)]

and it is so frustrating

so, hopefully, after giving it enough attention to write this post, maybe i'll remember next time to bring XBtroops ....

Philos, if you've got cannoneers, use the setup provided for cannoneers, hidden inside a spoiler.
With cannoneers, camp 11 can be killed fast enough to allow you to round block both camps 9 & 10.
Click the "Show" button to open the spoiler:

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Originally Posted by Tage

http://static3.thesettlersonline.com...r/ornament.png Garrison Position G3 (CAMPS 9, 10 and 11 for Cannoneers)
http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/th.../f/f4/Baru.png Back to Map

The setup hidden in the spoiler is exclusively for those having cannoneers:

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http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...raitorsG3C.jpg

Send all four generals right after each other:

From A to Camp 10) 100 Soldier Deserters, 100 Longbowman Deserters
BLOCKING NORMAL general: [57S 139C (-)] {180-300 seconds of fighting, 0.1% chance of 160 seconds}
BLOCKING NORMAL general: [48E 149C (-)] {180-280 seconds of fighting, 0.2% chance of 160 seconds}

From B to Camp 9) 50 Cavalry Deserters, 150 Soldier Deserters
BLOCKING NORMAL general: [66S 89E (-)] {180-320 seconds of fighting}

If your best general is a BATTLE HARDENED general, follow this:

From C to Camp 11) 60 Cavalry Deserters, 60 Soldier Deserters, 60 Longbowman Deserters, 1 Sir Robin, 1 Big Bertha
ANY general: [168R (168R)] {40 seconds of fighting}
BATTLE HARDENED general: [168R (168R)] {20 seconds of fighting}

From D to Camp 11) 12-30 Soldier Deserters, 60 Longbowman Deserters, 1 Sir Robin, 1 Big Bertha
BATTLE HARDENED general: [92R 22M 86K (68R - 92R 8M - 92R 22M)] {70 seconds of fighting}

If your best general is a VETERAN general, follow this:

From C to Camp 11) 60 Cavalry Deserters, 60 Soldier Deserters, 60 Longbowman Deserters, 1 Sir Robin, 1 Big Bertha
ANY general: [77R (77R)] {20 seconds of fighting}
BATTLE HARDENED general: [77R (77R)] {10 seconds of fighting}

From D to Camp 11) 0-10 Cavalry Deserters, 60 Soldier Deserters, 60 Longbowman Deserters, 1 Sir Robin, 1 Big Bertha
VETERAN general: [140R 8M 102K (102R - 130R - 140R 8M)] {60-70 seconds of fighting}

If your best general is a MAJOR general, follow this and kill camp 11 in one wave:

From C to Camp 11) 60 Cavalry Deserters, 60 Soldier Deserters, 60 Longbowman Deserters, 1 Sir Robin, 1 Big Bertha
MAJOR general: [155R 3M 112K (112R - 140R - 155R 2M)] {60 seconds of fighting}

If your best general is a MASTER of Martial Arts, follow this:

From C to Camp 11) 60 Cavalry Deserters, 60 Soldier Deserters, 60 Longbowman Deserters, 1 Sir Robin, 1 Big Bertha
MASTER of Martial Arts: [1R (1R)] {10 seconds of fighting}

From D to Camp 11) 60 Soldier Deserters, 40-45 Longbowman Deserters, 1 Sir Robin, 1 Big Bertha
BATTLE HARDENED general: [103M 97K (66M - 86M - 102M)] {60-70 seconds of fighting}
VETERAN general: [130R 4M 116K (87R - 115R - 130R 3M)] {60 seconds of fighting}
MAJOR general: [128R 10M 132K (84R - 112R - 128R 2M)] {50 seconds of fighting}

If your best general is a MASTER of Martial Arts, camp 11 can also be killed in one wave.
This is recommended if you do not have a veteran or major general in addition to the Master of Martial Arts:

From C to Camp 11) 60 Cavalry Deserters, 60 Soldier Deserters, 60 Longbowman Deserters, 1 Sir Robin, 1 Big Bertha
MASTER of Martial Arts: [118R 32M 70K (106R - 118R 18M - 118R 32M)] {80 seconds of fighting}
MASTER of Martial Arts: [160R 10M 50K (110R - 150R - 160R 9M)] {90-100 seconds of fighting}

It takes less than 40 seconds for general C to reach camp 11 from the moment when general A starts his fight on camp 10. Thus, in the worst case, if the first block would last only 160 seconds and the fight for camp 11 would last 40+70 = 110 seconds, you would have a margin of only 10 seconds. If possible, do use a battle hardened general for the first wave on camp 11 (general C).
17.11.14 15:33
Philos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tage

Philos, if you've got cannoneers, use the setup provided for cannoneers, hidden inside a spoiler.
With cannoneers, camp 11 can be killed fast enough to allow you to round block both camps 9 & 10.
Click the "Show" button to open the spoiler:

indeed my attention needs guidance sometimes :D

thnx!
25.11.14 14:39
Qingu

Do these guides and their blocks setups still apply now after the patch?
25.11.14 15:17
CrazyBat

Doing SE as I used to and its working fine
25.11.14 15:22
Jobol

it looks like all the fairy tale guides will need looking at as i was 3/4 of the way through VLT as the patch kicked in and i didnt read the changelog (silly me) and carried on as planned until i lost my vet including 12E 120k on a camp that was a simple wipe. Bears, wolfpackleaders, longbowman & militia all seem to do splash damage now.
25.11.14 15:32
topgearfan

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Originally Posted by Qingu

Do these guides and their blocks setups still apply now after the patch?

everything but fairytales should work as before and some parts of the fairytales also
09.12.14 16:33
Gerontius
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tage

http://static3.thesettlersonline.com...r/ornament.png Garrison Position G6 (BLOCK)
http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/th.../f/f4/Baru.png Back to Map

Move your veteran general, your battle hardened general and one normal general to garrison position G6:
Position A: NORMAL general

Position B: BATTLE HARDENED general

Position C: VETERAN general

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...SotVG6safe.jpg

Send all generals right after each other:

From A to Camp 9) 100 Thugs, 80 Guard Dogs
BLOCKING NORMAL general: [103S (-)] {160 - 340 seconds of fighting}
BLOCKING NORMAL general: [92E (-)] {180 - 360 seconds of fighting}

The attack on camp 11 depends on whether you have a Master of Martial Arts or not.
If not, or if you don't want your MoMA to be recovering for 2 hours, you will have to send 60 cavalry in the first, suicidal wave:

From B to Camp 11) 1 Metal Tooth, 60 Guard Dogs, 60 Roughnecks, 60 Rangers
BATTLE HARDENED general: [60C (60C)] {10 seconds of fighting}

From C to Camp 11) 1 Metal Tooth, 60 Roughnecks, 60 Rangers
VETERAN general: [45R 44M 6S 73C 82LB (45R 29M - 45R 39M - 45R 44M 5S)] {50 seconds of fighting}
VETERAN general: [65M 6S 73C 106LB (53M - 61M - 65M 5S)] {50 seconds of fighting}
VETERAN general: [109R 2S 73C 66XB (76R - 91R - 109R 1S)] {50 seconds of fighting}
VETERAN general: [109R 1E 73C 67XB (76R - 91R - 109R)] {50 seconds of fighting}
VETERAN general: [59M 1S 123C 67XB (45M - 52M - 59M)] {50 seconds of fighting}
VETERAN general: [102R 2E 82C 64K (75R - 88R - 102R)] {40 seconds of fighting}
VETERAN general: [58M 1E 117C 74K (45M - 52M - 58M)] {30 seconds of fighting}
MAJOR general: [100R 3S 1E 105C 61K (69R - 84R - 100R 3S)] {30 seconds of fighting}
MASTER of Martial Arts: [112R 5S 13C 90LB (82R - 101R - 112R 4S)] {40 seconds of fighting}
MASTER of Martial Arts: [98R 2S 55C 65XB (69R - 83R - 98R 2S)] {40 seconds of fighting}
Has something changed here? I no longer need to do the block. If I move my general a bit further south, he walks between the two bandit camps, straight to the leader, and doesn't get intercepted by camp 9.

Anyone else noticed this?

Also, in G9, camp 19 doesn't cause an intercept either.

I think it's an effect of the new popups.
10.12.14 20:14
Tage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerontius

Has something changed here? I no longer need to do the block. If I move my general a bit further south, he walks between the two bandit camps, straight to the leader, and doesn't get intercepted by camp 9.

And not being intercepted by camp 10? :confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerontius

Anyone else noticed this?

Not me... I will have to play SotV soon to check whether that would really be the case...
14.12.14 04:35
UltrasPlot

Hi Tage, I am a player on the American server, and I appreciate your guides very much. I have reworked Save the Christmas Feast in its new version (using your images, I hope you don't mind)

Anyways it's in a google doc here. When I have time I'll finish the Veteran version and start working on all the different troop levels... I have normal / bhg with Elites (me) and MMA with Elites / Cannoneers (guildies) along with a few sporadic Veteran attacks.

It's not perfect - it's a first attempt and I need to put in the strange bees... eventually.
27.12.14 12:11
Tage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerontius

Has something changed here? I no longer need to do the block. If I move my general a bit further south, he walks between the two bandit camps, straight to the leader, and doesn't get intercepted by camp 9.

I played SotV last night, but the only way to get that to happen would have been if you killed camp 10 and thus got your generals to walk between camps 9 and 12.

Quote:

Originally Posted by UltrasPlot

Hi Tage, I am a player on the American server, and I appreciate your guides very much. I have reworked Save the Christmas Feast in its new version (using your images, I hope you don't mind)

Anyways it's in a google doc here. When I have time I'll finish the Veteran version and start working on all the different troop levels... I have normal / bhg with Elites (me) and MMA with Elites / Cannoneers (guildies) along with a few sporadic Veteran attacks.

It's not perfect - it's a first attempt and I need to put in the strange bees... eventually.

Nice one, UltrasPlot! :)
02.01.15 08:21
Leyland05

I have used this guide for at least 100 times for Outlaws so I know what I am doing. For the last 2 attempts I have lost 31 Elite on camp 12 ( I use Elite rather than Soldiers) although nothing appears to have changed within the set up of the adventure. this has never happened before. Has anyone else had the same problem?
02.01.15 08:41
Fexno

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leyland05

I have used this guide for at least 100 times for Outlaws. for the last 2 attempts I have lost 31 Elite on camp 12 ( I use Elite rather than Soldiers) although nothing appears to have changed within the set up of the adventure. has anyone else had the same problem?

Assuming you mean this guide.
Which of the options do you use?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tage

Camp 12) 30 Scavengers, 30 Guard Dogs, 100 Stone Throwers
ANY general: [200R (80R - 91R - 102R)]

ANY general: [101R 99S (80R - 91R - 101R)]
ANY general: [100R 100E (80R - 91R - 100R)]

ANY general: [12R 1S 187C (7R 30C - 10R 30C - 12R 30C)]
ANY general: [11R 1E 188C (7R 30C - 10R 30C - 11R 30C)]
ANY general: [1: 30C, 2: 7R 1S 192C (4R 30C - 6R 30C - 7R 30C)]
ANY general: [1: 30C, 2: 7R 1E 192C (4R 30C - 6R 30C - 7R 30C)]
ANY general: [1: 96B, 2: 140C (96B)]
ANY general: [100R 1E 99K (80R - 91R - 100R)]

VETERAN general: [100R 105S (79R - 91R - 100R 1S)]

VETERAN general: [6R 1S 243C (2R 30C - 5R 30C - 6R 30C)]
VETERAN general: [5R 1E 244C (2R 30C - 4R 30C - 5R 30C)]
VETERAN general: [1: 30C, 2: 2R 1S 247C (30C - 1R 30C - 2R 30C)]
VETERAN general: [1: 30C, 2: 1R 1E 248C (30C - 1R 30C - 1R 30C)]
VETERAN general: [100R 25E 77K (79R - 91R - 100R)]

MASTER of Martial Arts: [76R 68S (57R - 66R - 76R)]

If you've got a master of martial arts, and are prepared to let him rest for 2 hours,
the cheapest way to kill camp 12 is to use your MoMA for a first suicidal attack:

Camp 12a) 30 Scavengers, 30 Guard Dogs, 100 Stone Throwers
MASTER of Martial Arts: [1R (1R)]

Camp 12b) 30 Scavengers, 65-70 Stone Throwers
ANY general: [3R 1E 196C (0R - 2R - 3R)]
ANY general: [4R 1S 195C (0R - 2R - 4R)]
VETERAN general: [1S 240C (-)]
MASTER of Martial Arts: [1S 185C (-)]
02.01.15 16:22
Leyland05

I always send 100R and 150 Elite
02.01.15 18:13
Fexno

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leyland05

I always send 100R and 150 Elite

Well that should indeed prevent your elite losses. Your result of losing about 31 elites, is a result you would get while not sending recruits at all.
Did you check the battle report and notice anything strange? (like the problem described here) If so, contact Support and send them (a link to) the screenshot while explaining what is wrong with it. If not, well then I'm out of ideas. Maybe link a screenshot in here to see if someone spots something else that might have gone wrong/weird
02.01.15 19:35
Leyland05

I will be going again tonight or in the morning so I will let you know
02.01.15 21:59
Leyland05

No Problems this time. perhaps I made a mistake with the recruits before. thanks for your time
04.01.15 10:16
CrazyBat

Outlaws

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tage

Camp 10) 30 Thugs, 80 Guard Dogs, 50 Rangers
ANY general: [200R (69R - 83R - 96R)]
ANY general: [92R 108S (69R - 83R - 92R 3S)]
VETERAN general: [82R 150S (62R - 72R - 82R)]
VETERAN general: [82R 65E 77K (62R - 72R - 82R)]
VETERAN general: [82R 5E 133K (62R - 72R - 82R)]
MASTER of Martial Arts: [76R 64S (57R - 66R - 76R 1S)]

I'm guessing this was supposed to be setup for Major including 55 ES? 82R55E and 133K
04.01.15 11:19
Fexno

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyBat

Outlaws
I'm guessing this was supposed to be setup for Major including 55 ES? 82R55E and 133K

I think the differences in setup is for those that do not own 133 cannons yet.
Both setups should work as described.

VETERAN general: [82R 65E 77K (62R - 72R - 82R)]

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Simulations: Won 2200 / 2200 (100.00%) Rounds: 1-1 (Ø 1.00000) Destruction rounds: 1-1 (Ø 1.00000) Allies killed: - Recruit: 64 - 81 (Ø 72.08318) Enemies killed: - Ranger: 50 - 50 (Ø 50.00000) - Guard Dog: 80 - 80 (Ø 80.00000) - Thug: 30 - 30 (Ø 30.00000)

VETERAN general: [82R 5E 133K (62R - 72R - 82R)]

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Simulations: Won 2200 / 2200 (100.00%) Rounds: 1-1 (Ø 1.00000) Destruction rounds: 1-1 (Ø 1.00000) Allies killed: - Recruit: 63 - 82 (Ø 72.06045) Enemies killed: - Ranger: 50 - 50 (Ø 50.00000) - Guard Dog: 80 - 80 (Ø 80.00000) - Thug: 30 - 30 (Ø 30.00000)
04.01.15 17:19
CrazyBat

I see. funny coincidence that its exactly 50 difference.
Ty
23.01.15 14:06
aniki

Max Troops needed For Vet: 785R 197C 55S 61XB 111K ...forgot 127E

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