guild quests - lost for words

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Originally Posted by Urd123

Why pay to get the quest done- they can never be worth that ????

I agree that the quests does not fit the new system, many of them require more than the 6- 8 hours many players have on a normal weekday. But cant undestand why you simply skip the quest instead of paying gems. As you say, the coins are not worth that.

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Obviously I was not paying for each quest, but when i needed to due to a lack of time for completing one. There is huge pressure in my guild to do daily quest, so having the ability to skip the hard ones with gems, helped a lot.

I got The Way Home as guild quest today and it seems the one who designed that one thinks that all players are online at 1 in the morning. It includes building a codex, something that takes 17 hours. With only 24 hours to complete, no ability to queue things and the shortest production being 12 hours, I have no idea how they think that was a reasonable quest. It would have worked with the old quild quest system where you had some time to react. Now it basically assumes that you do not already have any books going as new guild quest roles over and that you have 5 tomes to spare. This quild quest needs to be removed. It is not even remotely realistic with a 24 hour time limit.

I have 'The Mapmaker' today. This requires, along with paying 200 printing press letters, producing 1000 Intermediate Paper. I have only a level 3 Intermediate Papermill, but I haven't seen a need to upgrade it yet. Despite that, I have buffed the papermill with a Badge (so 3x), and I am currently 2.5 hours into it (after I logged in). I have produced a grand total of 111 pieces of paper. There is not enough time to complete. Even at twice this rate, it would be close. So, I would submit this quest for the list of Guild Quests that need to be changed in light of the new 24 hour format.

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Originally Posted by FolquetTheGreat

I have 'The Mapmaker' today. This requires, along with paying 200 printing press letters, producing 1000 Intermediate Paper. I have only a level 3 Intermediate Papermill, but I haven't seen a need to upgrade it yet. Despite that, I have buffed the papermill with a Badge (so 3x), and I am currently 2.5 hours into it (after I logged in). I have produced a grand total of 111 pieces of paper. There is not enough time to complete. Even at twice this rate, it would be close. So, I would submit this quest for the list of Guild Quests that need to be changed in light of the new 24 hour format.

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Butbut but... you can put 20 Intermediate Papermills on your island, just to complete guild quests O.o

Agree. I also hate that one - when I log in at 7pm in the evening, it's impossible to complete even with a lv6 Papermill.

This is the 3rd day running I have recieved a Guild quest involving the buying and selling of cannons
As a Lv46 player - I cannot make cannons - so to complete the quest I have to trade
In total i returned 70 cannons to BB at a cost of over 2000 guild coins -
So what I would like BB to consider is

-is it reasonable for a player to be given a quest to surrender items that they cannot manufacture
-is it reasonable to have 3 consecutive GQ's that involve an item they cannot produce

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Originally Posted by Geordieman

This is the 3rd day running I have recieved a Guild quest involving the buying and selling of cannons
As a Lv46 player - I cannot make cannons - so to complete the quest I have to trade
In total i returned 70 cannons to BB at a cost of over 2000 guild coins -
So what I would like BB to consider is

-is it reasonable for a player to be given a quest to surrender items that they cannot manufacture
-is it reasonable to have 3 consecutive GQ's that involve an item they cannot produce

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Several in my guild have had to do the same, also for wheels.

I totally agree, but I think it would be better tp put this in one of the other treads about the guild quests.

This problem is a old one which predates xxl

This one is one of the worst so far.
http://prntscr.com/ae80ee

move 2 hunters :p

If I am to move those I have - it will cost me

500 marble 500 coins- all in all 1000 marble - 1000 coins.

and honestly - what is the point of moing building around.

http://prntscr.com/ae812a

I can build a new hunter - cheaper to move a 1 level hunter, then demolish it - all in all it is as meaningful as moving a pile of bricks from one place to another - then back again.
Who made these quest? Not someone who ever tried paying it - that is for sure, and not someone who have any thing close to imagination :p

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Originally Posted by Urd123

I can build a new hunter - cheaper to move a 1 level hunter, then demolish it -

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If you've got the building license to spare you can always keep the level 1 for the next time the quest reappears. :P

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Originally Posted by MorellaCarter

If you've got the building license to spare you can always keep the level 1 for the next time the quest reappears. :P

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yes- but why would BB want us not to upp buildings. And - you should think that BB would want us to use gems. One of my guildies have no hunters- only deerstalkers. He have no use of filling the depots - so it would all be just to do a very stupid quest.

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Originally Posted by Urd123

yes- but why would BB want us not to upp buildings. And - you should think that BB would want us to use gems. One of my guildies have no hunters- only deerstalkers. He have no use of filling the depots - so it would all be just to do a very stupid quest.

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You have to put your bk loot somewhere even if you have just deerstalkers.

More to the point with the loss of building spaces from the bush fix, just where are we supposed to move them to.

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Originally Posted by Urd123

yes- but why would BB want us not to upp buildings. And - you should think that BB would want us to use gems. One of my guildies have no hunters- only deerstalkers. He have no use of filling the depots - so it would all be just to do a very stupid quest.

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I wonder, would refilling a guildies meat deposit count? Anyone tried it?

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Originally Posted by MorellaCarter

I wonder, would refilling a guildies meat deposit count? Anyone tried it?

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That would give some meaning to that part- then you could fill it somewhere it is needed :) - The we are just left with moving buildings around.

guild quests to do adventures isn't so bad - you can normally find a loot spot, either from a guild member or in trade - and it costs nothing to ask in trade for a loot spot

the tome / codex quests are a pain and mean we need to keep 2 tomes and 5 manuscripts in store at all times, just in case - and it kinda means you should level up your bookbinder sooner rather than later - and make some small glue, it speeds things up

remember, you get guild quests cos you're in a guild .... your guild members should help each other .... if they can't or don't help each other, you're in the wrong guild ....

Geordieman...have you never heard of a round trade....you sell cannon to a guildie for a fish and they sell u back the cannons for a fish .....simple..if u don't have any do they trades they other way around...give them a fish for cannon then give them cannons for a fish...:)....you in a guild so some one must have cannons...

only time u lose is when the quest states "pay x" of something...else all buying and selling quests are done this way :)

The amazing thing is this thread, and several others, have been running since the changes yet BB haven't come back and said 'tough', or 'ok maybe we need to change these ones'. Just some idea of what is planned , or not, would be handy.

aththemaniac- these were pay quests - my guild always happy to do round trades

Had to post this one...

The quest immediately after the free move event ended, I got the quest to move two hunters.
Oh the irony....

I can accept funny coincidences - I have trouble understanding how anyone thought that setting up that quest made sense.

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Originally Posted by Dorotheus

Hate to burst the bubble on your good mood, but have you thought of what you would need to do if you got this quest two days on the trot.

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Or more! You know how the quests get fixated.
Whole gq system still needs a complete overhaul, too many adv demands (how the heck am I supposed to "complete 2 adventures" in 25 minutes?) and dumb anomalies like being asked to produce 50 cannons when you're only Level 45! or produce codices in less time than the game mechanics can actually allow.

Have to ''' love''' (Not) the make 750 advanced paper quest. Level 3 advanced papermaker, x3 buffed, will take about 18hrs to complete this. For the huge majority of players that simply isn't going to get done...

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Originally Posted by Vaargson

Posted this in another thread but thought would duplicate here (it covers both GQ and lvl75):

I have to say I really hate the new GQ. Broken for all but the really hardcore players.

Others will disagree - the system is now completely broken for anyone who plays casually (i.e. for less than 10 hours a day with the changes). I do about half of mine at lvl54. No way am I paying granite, mahogany or cannon to complete a quest. In fact, our guild has agreed not to. It takes thousands of G to build anything now, so to give away 100G for the privilege of a few guild coins..... really?

This also means that the lower level guild members don't get anywhere near as many coins as they should do. So they are being penalised.

Of course, this has knock on impacts - I have all that I need from the current list of items available to buy with guild coins. I will not be able to afford anything at the next change. Again, penalising the enjoyment of the casual player because the thoughts are only with uber players.

I'm all for change and challenge, but I have no chance. I would go as far as saying that the game is gradually being ruined for the more casual player.

I have already calculated that I will likely be dead before I get to lvl60, assuming I get to age 75. Part of me is asking why bother. I'm sure many others are thinking the same. So in all likelihood, the changes that have been made are having the opposite of the desired effect.

I'm sure some really enjoy them. I'm sure some have stayed because of them. There will be many many more that either stop paying (I haven't spent any real cash since the changes as the changes have made the game far less enjoyable for me) and plenty that stop playing as a result.

Yes, you can play the game at your own speed which is what sets Settlers apart from other online games. But apathy sets in when there is no longer a point to spending a few hours a day on a game when you need to spend three or four times that to achieve what you used to achieve before the changes.

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Even being online for less than hr a day i can finish 70% of the quests in periods that happens- So the argument of hard core is a bit exaggerated at best. If you are on in the eary morning u can start whatever is needed and u can usually finish it fairly easy at night - even stuff like do 2 adventures is not hard if youa re willing to just buy the lootspots (and ofc get loot)

In the end the value of coin gathered will make even fairly substantial investments in finishing the quests worthwhile. Ofc not playing hardcore, you will need to accept that you can not reach same levels as someone who does- which includes same rate of completion of guild quests

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Originally Posted by lordloocan

Have to ''' love''' (Not) the make 750 advanced paper quest. Level 3 advanced papermaker, x3 buffed, will take about 18hrs to complete this. For the huge majority of players that simply isn't going to get done...

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simple solution is to have the " waiting quest" used to show next days guild quest- that way people know exactly what to expect and plan accordingly. Would make revamp of the near impossible ones a whole lot less needed

And i prefer the system to not cater to the lowest common denominator but being an incentive to invest in improving production on your island to the maximum levels over the course of leveling up. Same way i liked the change where no weapons were included in loots anymore, just raw materials (and actually make it useful and needed to own the production buildings)

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Originally Posted by Qualan

simple solution is to have the " waiting quest" used to show next days guild quest- that way people know exactly what to expect and plan accordingly. Would make revamp of the near impossible ones a whole lot less needed

And i prefer the system to not cater to the lowest common denominator but being an incentive to invest in improving production on your island to the maximum levels over the course of leveling up. Same way i liked the change where no weapons were included in loots anymore, just raw materials (and actually make it useful and needed to own the production buildings)

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Totally agree, but also see need for some realism as to how much time the vast majority actually spend playing. Just doing some basic maths even a level 6 advanced paper smith would take 9hrs to make 750 paper. Fine for those of us with the time/chance to login early in the day and then end the gq later in the day, but not for those who cannot do that.

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Originally Posted by lordloocan

The amazing thing is this thread, and several others, have been running since the changes yet BB haven't come back and said 'tough', or 'ok maybe we need to change these ones'. Just some idea of what is planned , or not, would be handy.

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BB have already given you an answer

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Originally Posted by BB_Ravel

Some quests are just unbeatable in 24 hours!
We are aware that this could be the case. We are thoroughly collecting data to further improve this feature and re-balance the quests at a future date to make sure that they can be finished in time and everyone can enjoy this feature.

What are the plans for "the infamous quests that nobody wants to do"?
As previously stated, we will observe and evaluate thoroughly. With all the data we gather, we will determine which quests are not attractive enough to our players and worthy of their valuable time, and will be reworked in the future.

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Originally Posted by MOD_Daz

BB have already given you an answer

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We have progress, maybe. Do you have the link to where the section you pasted came from? I missed that in the maze of the forum.

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Originally Posted by lordloocan

Do you have the link to where the section you pasted came from?

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There is a link in the quote - press the blue arrows next to the original poster's name to go to the original post.

today's quest is "the good generals" and i'm sorry BB but u've really let urselves down! overall the reworked gq's are good and I don't mind skipping the odd 1 but...
make 500 gunpowder, really? my powder hut is lvl5 and this is gonna take 10 hours. while I enjoy settlers a lot I do have to go to work, spend time with wife and kids, eat and sleep. apparently lower lvls have to pay cannons and xbows!

after spending all that time and effort reworking the gq's and making players happy, how did this slip thru the net?

game suggestion: delete this quest from the game

just do not do GQ that day and everithing is right..... guild coins have no real value anymore as nothing special in the market :)

Yeah, that's what we did in the end, not worth it at all.

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Originally Posted by TabulaRasa

just do not do GQ that day and everithing is right..... guild coins have no real value anymore as nothing special in the market :)

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The fact that items got voted in implies that at least one group of players found them worthy of receiving a vote.

the main item is always gr8. I loved the farms this time around and I always buy the main item, don't know if any1 buys the other items tho

Some quests are just unbeatable in 24 hours!
We are aware that this could be the case. We are thoroughly collecting data to further improve this feature and re-balance the quests at a future date to make sure that they can be finished in time and everyone can enjoy this feature.

What are the plans for "the infamous quests that nobody wants to do"?
As previously stated, we will observe and evaluate thoroughly. With all the data we gather, we will determine which quests are not attractive enough to our players and worthy of their valuable time, and will be reworked in the future.

does this mean we can keep complaining here and not appear to be ungrateful trolls?

ok BB level 47 guildie has a guild quest to produce cannons, ???? how does he do that when u cant even get them till level 48, please correct me if im wrong

For my 2 cents today I'd like to mention the quest I received - the infamous 'move 2 hunters'. It must be the silliest one on the game. Why would I want to move buildings just for the sake of doing so? If I thought there was a more logical location I would have already moved them. I strongly suggest that quest should be removed entirely.

That's one of the easiest. You build a new one and shift it a couple of times.

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Originally Posted by BDM1975

That's one of the easiest. You build a new one and shift it a couple of times.

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Easily done, I agree. But incredibly pointless.

That is true.

Please can TSO stop giving cannon guild quests to those that can't even produce them!
I'm lvl 46 & it's lvl 48 for the cannon forge :-(