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Originally Posted by vigabrand
Horsemen have first strike, so you can't defend against them (30-32 MS killed) and even 215 troops won't be enough to kill Mysterious Thief before he makes his kill (8 MS).
Btw, it's still Skilled Mary, despite only 200 troops, so Planner + Charge in use.
thx Kris, this battle system is very complicated :)
Sinbad and the Sea Snake - up to 39.7k extra XP (51.6k with Fast Learner-3) and 449Rec 30Bow (or 367Bow) + 14MS extra losses.
Version "Light" (only 1-wave attacks) = 15.2k XP (19.8k XP with Fast Learner-3), 4MS extra losses.
Skilled Mary Christmas (Master Planner, Annex-3, Charge-3, Overrun-3).
An "add-on" to Evil_J's guide to Sea Snake (Skilled CoA guide):Before you move all generals to the opposite site of the map, you may use Mary to destroy one camp (from land zone).
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Land zone
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Not numbered Camp (150 Petty Off., 120 Cannon Master) = 5.8k XP
Mary 4MoS 211MoM
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Sector 1
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Below C1 there are 2 camps normally not attacked (you can attack them while other generals do their jobs):
Not numbered Camp (100 Sailor, 150 Petty Off.) = 4.6k XP
Mary 4MoS 211MoM [no loss]
Not numbered Camp (250 Cannon Master) = ca. 6k XP left for wave-2
wave-1 Any 110Rec /or/ 84Bow (must kill 25 Cannon Master)
wave-2 Mary 4MoS 211MoM
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Sector 2
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C7: 100 Sailor 90 Mounted Sailor 70 Petty Officer = 4.8k XP
Mary 25MoS 190MoM
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Sector 3
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off topic: C16 can be blocked
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C25: 250 Sailor = ca. 4.6k XP left for wave-2
wave-1 Any 119Rec /or/ 88Bow (must kill 27 Sailor)
wave-2 Mary 2MoS 213MoM
Leader 13: 270 Cannon Master 1 Steersman = ca. 13.9k XP left for wave-2
w-1 Any 195Bow /or/ Vet 220Rec 30Bow (must kill 60 Cannon Master)
w-2 Mary 12MoS 203ArM
Mary Christmas general is introduced like double XP general and with Fast learner skill, she brings 30% more XP.
I skilled her 3 jog, 3 juggernaut, 3 hostile takeover and 3 Fast learner and from YWC I got 30k XP over the top and 300 mercenary recruits.
Well, why not to try to reskill Anslem and one of MGs for hostile takeover as well. Traveling speed was sacrificed and was expected to get more mercs.
YWC, C2: 110 Desert Marksman, 100 Stone Cannon, and the result was completely confusing, MC brings 60 mercenaries , MG - 27. Not even half.
Anslem results were also skinny regarding same skill and for camps that have higher rank.
Since MC and MG are similar regarding combat strenght (difference in size of army) result should be the same for particular camp.
Obviously not, either there is mistake with MC or some hidden, not published math regarding hostile takeover skill.
Any explanation?
I got the answer from my guildies, number of mercs is calculated from xp general gain defeating the camp, so MC bring 130% more xp then any other general, 130% more mercs
Hi,
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/Ou...8UbGOky7WT2KDg
Been playing around with YWC a bit more ... and my Mary has slightly different skills.
***UPDATED 23/01/2018*** 2 versions added -
speed and full run. Up to 353k XP.
This is STILL work in progress for YWC using
Skilled Generals NUS, VAR, ANS, MMA's, MG, 2x TAV - check the skills before you follow this as the skills may be different to yours, and as a result attacks will need adjusting. Its a good guide at least to where Mary can be used to boost XP.
There are 2 alternatives presented here .. speed run and full run.
Please note Wiki's version claims to gain 139k xp (non prem) 262 MS + 52K losses. EvilJ similar XP for 166R + 208MS + 1 AM losses
Speed version …. 210K XP (non prem) or 316k XP (Prem) for 285 MS losses and a NET gain of approx 200 Merc Recruits for approx 1 hr adventure = better than wiki
Full version 235k XP (non-prem) or 353k xp (Prem) for 390MS losses - still a better xp/loss ratio than wiki.
Camps left could provde approx 75-100k xp more but I considered losses to be too great.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e...N0C_3qnUeo/pub
Thanks to other previous posters on here and guild members for pointing me towards more camps Mary could be used for and Stonewaller for a really nuts block idea in latest update.
Luckydiddy
Have been looking around for camps in the ventures where Mary can be usefull (refering to guides made by Evil's)
Sofar i found:
The fishermen and his wife: Camp C3 Mary 215 MM (zero kill). No further us of Mary in this one.
Hansel and Gretel: Camp C2 Mary 215 MM (zero Kill). No further us of Mary in this one.
to be continued and hope for other input on this
took forever and stupid losses. just had to try.
One step ahead
I'd not recommend trying this with unskilled generals. Mostly Mary can't do a lot without huge losses in suicides and loads of generals. However, check out the L9-L12 trick and use Mary to suicide 1-2 camps if nothing else. ~75.000 extra XP from killing the treasure alone..
C1 ~4600 XP after W1
Vet 250 Bows, Mary 25Msw 174MM, 250 bows ~25Msw loss
any 200 bows, skilled Mary 12 Msw 203 MM, loss 200bows 11Msw
C4 ~5850 XP after W1
RobinHood 250bows (Vet with 3x Rapid Fire), skilled Mary 2Msw 213MM, loss 250 bows ~2Msw
Vet 250bows, skilled Mary 20Msw 195MM, loss 250 bows ~20Msw
C5 < 5250 XP after W1
W1: Log/vet/mg/mma 5 rec 215 bows OR W1: RobinHood 185 bows
bowskillMMA 165bows 5recs, skilled Mary 215MM
C6 3800 XP
Mary 30Msw 10B 160+MM
C7 6500 XP
skilled Mary 43Msw 172MM
C9 ~4975 XP after W1
any 170 bows, skilled Mary 215MM (get it down to 98 sailors)
2 waves 290 bows, unskilled Mary 200MM, loss 290 bows
C10 ~5200 XP after W1
vet 250 bows, skilled Mary 215 MM, loss 250 bows
C11 ~7700 XP after W1
vet 250 bows, skilled Mary 50 MSw, 165 MM, loss 250 bows ~50Msw
C12
L3: 10.000 XP
skilled Mary 40Msw 175B, loss ~40 Msw
unskilled Mary 45Msw 155B, loss ~45Msw
C13 ~5800 XP after W1
W1: Vet 250 bows, skilled Mary 215MM, loss 250 bows
W1: Vet 250bows, unskilled Mary 36MSw 34MM 150 AM, loss 250bows 35Msw
C14 ~4600 XP after waves 1-2
Nus 180cav, MMA 1cav (or more), make sure all boatswains are dead before Mary attacks
skilled Mary 10Msw 205M
The camps for the long run C16-C23 are not really worth it with Mary IMO as you need to suicide them so much there's hardly any XP left, also uses up loads of generals. Though it's certainly possible. Much better to clear them with other gens and save generals and bowmen for suiciding extra fleet camps and using Mary there.
L9-L11, use Mary and 40cav (if unskilled, ie no Unstoppable charge) to suicide treasure for 20k XP each. Ie don't use MMA to clear treasure out.
Alternatively L9-L11: ~14.725 XP after wave 3
W1-W3 Any 200 bows x3 (ie 600* bows suicided) W4: unskilled Mary 15 Msw, 20 MM, 165AM, loss 15 Msw
W1-W3 600* bows suicided, W4 skilled Mary 10 Msw 40 MM, 165 AM, loss 10 MSw
*better generals and Rapid Fire cuts this down, target ~60 Battle Hardened Sailor, avoid using MMA, Nus or Ans in suicide due to Flanking killing treasure.
L12 ~11.100 XP after W1-W2
W1 MG 270bows, W2 unskilled Mary 15 Msw 80 AM 105 MM, loss <15 Msw
W1 MG 270bows, W2 skilled Mary 10Msw 80AM 125MM, loss <10MSw
TY for posting your guide, in your first attack with Mary you lose 58MS (Ouch!). Try it with 20MS 195MM losses around 18MS. Last sector instead of blocking with TavG you attack with Mary for 14.6k XP, I could only get 10k+. With those adjustments I'm 204.4k XP (before prem) for 250MS & 220R. Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by luckydiddy