[Guide] Old Ruins (event)

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Guide for Old Ruins. No Block, 200 Gen and 250 Gen version (without cannons). :D


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Croaker camp updated! TNX to SmogDude!
C4 camp update! TNX to Uruloki!
Skiping C6 updated with extra image! TNX to Tuustakas!

C1 - 60 Scavenger 60 Stone thrower
C2 - 60 Scavenger 70 Guard dog
C3 - 60 Scavenger 50 Ranger
C4 - 60 Ranger 1 One-Eyed Bert
C5 - 100 Wolf 1 Croaker
C6 - 80 Shadowsneaker 80 Fanatic
C7 - 80 Cultists 1 Swamp Witch
C8 - 1 Swamp Witch 80 Firedancers
C9 - 1 Night Spawn

MAX needed troops:
200 Gen - 371R, 1B, 175C, 193LB, 30M, 170S [max losses: 371R, 1B, 150C, 30M, 33S]
250 Gen - 443R, 1B, 238C, 193XB, 20S, 200E [max losses: 443R, 1B, 14S]

You can lower your losses with following the second image!

You can do a couple of 1R blocks on camp 2 to get to camps 3 and 4. The attacking general should be 3 flags behind the blocking general.

Superb guide - thanks mate

thx

C5 should be attacked with 5r 1s 244xb -> 5r loss

sdofmsdf -wouldnt the wolfes attack the xb's first?

yes it would

Thank you for the guide.

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Originally Posted by Metsjuku

yes it would

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Are you sure?

From the character library:

Crossbowman:
Cautious: Unit will only be attacked if all melee troops of this army are defeated.

Recruits are melee troops right?

I Think I'll give it a try :)

...and it worked, kinda... :D

5R 1S 244XB should do it.

I only had 200 XB and it wasn't quite enough so my losses were 5R 1XB

C6: skipped by placing generals down-right from it. Saving 100r.
C8: 53R 22S 1E 150C 24A (V) (53r22s)
C7: blocked with 85e (8-11 normal rounds). Saving 100r.
C9: 118r132e (118r) (6 fast rounds)

Just worth pointing out, incase people don't know, that you don't have to knock all the walls down. Just 1 in each row. This clears a path to Croaker. Killing Croaker kills the rest of the walls. Surprised me how many people I've told about this who didn't know.

Wolves do not have "attack weakest target".

Thus, you'd do better with these setups:

Normal and BHG:

60 Rangers, 1 One-Eyed Bert:
11R 1S 86C 102LB (0 - 2R - 11R)
86C 81XB (0)

100 Wolves, 1 Croaker:
5R 1S 1B 193LB (5R 1B)
5R 1S 1B 193XB (5R 1B)

80 Shadowsneakers, 80 Fanatics:
85R 115S (69R - 78R - 85R)

1 Witch of the Swamp, 80 Firedancers:
BLOCK: 102E 98C (100-200 seconds of fighting)
[1: 150R 50C 2: 101R 1S 54C 44LB (194R 50C - 235R 50C - 251R 50C)]
[1: 150R 50C 2: 76R 1S 51C 72XB (184R 50C - 210R 50C - 226R 50C)]

80 Cultists, 1 Witch of the Swamp:
BLOCK: 93S (220-280 seconds of fighting, 0.02% chance of 200 seconds)
Kill: 83R 1S 116LB (68R - 80R - 83R)
Kill: 68R 1S 131XB (57R - 66R - 68R)

1 Night Spawn:
200S (47S - 51S - 53S) (80 seconds of fighting with fast general)
53S 147E (47S - 51S - 53S) (80 seconds of fighting with fast general)
40M 160S (40M 20S - 40M 24S - 40M 26S) (80 seconds of fighting with fast general)
60M 13S 127E (60M 7S - 60M 11S - 60M 13S) (80 seconds of fighting with fast general)
39R 161K (35R - 38R - 39R) (60 seconds of fighting with normal general, 30 with fast general)

If you have a normal general and Cannoneers, consider the single block. If you have a fast general and Cannoneers, consider the two-way block. If you have a fast general, but no Cannoneers, consider the single block.

Please note: These setups are far from optimized. I recommend further simulating to see if you can get a setup better than these.

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Originally Posted by SmogDude

Wolves do not have "attack weakest target".

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But Croaker has!

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Originally Posted by Tuustakas

But Croaker has!

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Yes it does. But it does not have "splash damage", so it can only kill 1B at a time.

Thus, you have 5R 1S 1B 193LB/XB (5R 1B).

Nice SmogDude.

I'll steal them and add to my guide.

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Originally Posted by SmogDude

Yes it does. But it does not have "splash damage", so it can only kill 1B at a time.

Thus, you have 5R 1S 1B 193LB/XB (5R 1B).

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Good one!

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Originally Posted by SmogDude

Yes it does. But it does not have "splash damage", so it can only kill 1B at a time.

Thus, you have 5R 1S 1B 193LB/XB (5R 1B).

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Updated! TNX!

C4 If you attack with 20S 80CAV 100LB the losses are ZERO
Thanks for the guide

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Originally Posted by Jackaroo

sdofmsdf -wouldnt the wolfes attack the xb's first?

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no :)

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Originally Posted by Metsjuku

Updated! TNX!

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yeah.. tnx for mentioning me -_-

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Originally Posted by sdofmsdf

C5 should be attacked with 5r 1s 244xb -> 5r loss

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Here's another way to do it - 8r 192m -> 8r loss

The guide was perfect for me ... except ... you must clear C5 before you can reposition to avoid C6 :)

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Originally Posted by The_Sarmatian

C6: skipped by placing generals down-right from it. Saving 100r.
C8: 53R 22S 1E 150C 24A (V) (53r22s)
C7: blocked with 85e (8-11 normal rounds). Saving 100r.
C9: 118r132e (118r) (6 fast rounds)

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Thanks The_Sarmatian. I dearly love blocks and optimised attacks. :D

I need a guide without xbows elites and cannons, I do have a vet
can someone help? Or do I have to sim everything?

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Originally Posted by PopyJopy

I need a guide without xbows elites and cannons, I do have a vet
can someone help? Or do I have to sim everything?

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I hope to get my guide done tomorrow (Killste's thread)...
For the time being, if you want to kill every camp today (without any blocks), here you go:

Camp 1) 60 Scavengers, 60 Stone Throwers
VETERAN general: [13R 1S 236C (8R - 11R - 13R)]

Camp 2) 60 Scavengers, 70 Guard Dogs
ANY general: [43R 134S (37R - 41R - 43R 1S)]

Camp 3) 60 Scavengers, 50 Rangers
VETERAN general: [12R 1S 237C (7R - 10R - 12R)]

Camp 4) 60 Rangers, 1 One-Eyed Bert
VETERAN general: [1S 90C 120LB (-)]

Camp 5) 100 Wolves, 1 Croaker
ANY general: [5R 1S 1B 150LB (5R 1B)]

Camp 6) 80 Shadowsneakers, 80 Fanatics (skipped)
ANY general: [84R 84S (69R - 78R - 84R)]

Camp 8) 1 Witch of the Swamp, 80 Firedancers
VETERAN general: [62R 32S 138C 18LB (62R 12S - 62R 22S - 62R 31S)]

Camp 7) 80 Cultists, 1 Witch of the Swamp
VETERAN general: [68R 1S 181LB (57R - 66R - 68R)]

Camp 9) 1 Night Spawn
VETERAN general: [118R 132S (107R - 116R - 118R)]

Heres my guide
(the blocks are kind of difficult to achieve ... heider way here it goes)

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bw_7...it?usp=sharing


https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bw_7...it?usp=sharing

nice guide

can you just add version with block on c7 when attacking c9, with BHG or regular G?