please add a thread for feedback on your latest announcement on G3 auctions
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please add a thread for feedback on your latest announcement on G3 auctions
Ravel, please may we have a feedback thread for Namib's Auction Channel post in "Rules and Conduct"?
I am not happy for announcements for forthcoming auctions to be made in Help or Global tabs, think they should be restricted to Trade tab only otherwise things are going to get really messy.
Thanks.
I +1 this, restrict it to trade tab only
[ This post (and the one directly above) was moved here from "[Feedback] Change Log - 20/02/2014 (Next version)" ]
Since auction is a form of trading, it is just obvious that should be announced in trade channel. If I simply chatting on global-1-2-x, or I have problem, so I glean the help channel, I don't want meet with announcements. Further, if I'm intrested in auctions, I don't want scan more than one channel...
Since you guys already made this thread, I don't see a problem with having the feedback in here.
It is irregular to have feedback on rules, however, so I will ask you all to follow some simple rules.
1. Please phrase your ideas as suggestions. We are open to constructive criticism.
2. Stay polite. Whether you like the idea of an auction channel or not, our only goal is to keep players happy. Please remember that.
3. Please give arguments for the suggestions you offer. While this channel was created based on user feedback, we can obviously not have the unique perspective of every user.
Thank you for your feedback!
Ravel
Cheers Ravel, since this is more or less a new thing a feedback spot seems helpful.
After an introduction period so people get used to the idea of them and know where to look for info +1 on keeping the announcements confined to the trade tab. Even with all good intentions, if auctions grow popular things like that can get quickly spammy.
just have an auction tab simpIes :)
Thanks Ravel,
no problem with an Auction channel at all, as long as players realise that all dealings carry a risk. Caveat Emptor and all that.
The problem is with allowing "advertising" to me made on the non-trade tabs, global and help. Experience shows that this will be a nightmare even if it isn't abused, and would prove impossible to police. It would also undermine existing rule that trade related activity is confined to the trade tab.
The "Mods would adjudicate..." part also worries me, apart from occupying them from other tasks just monitoring this, we have had bad experiences elsewhere in similar situations. We regularly used to run quizzes on the French servers, which were a lot of fun if it hadn't been for a nasty quirk in the system. Depending how close the server believes you are to it (ie: ping times), the order in which chat displays messages is different for every player. Even without lag, disputes were many and screenshots proved that it was impossible to tell who had got an answer in first. With lag it descended into farce with answers appearing minutes after they were made. Cost me a 700 granite prize!
5. In the event of a dispute over which player made the last bid the auctioneer may ask a MOD (if MOD's are not present please ask a non bidding player) to copy/paste the winning bid showing on their chat screen to confirm the winnerQuote:
Originally Posted by Nogbad2
This is a point I messaged to Namib which was met with no reply. How can you have the above as a rule when each player sees the chat channel differently. When bidding its all about getting the last bid in seconds before it closes beating someone and this means lots of people writing their offer with in very short space of each other and on each persons chat log viewing it will show these differently as we have experienced on newfoundland before
My other point is what if someone who is on my ignore list but does not know it joins the auction, I would not even see the bids they make, meaning they are raising the price falsely as they actually stand no chance of winning because as far as I am concerned they are not even there.
There are to many bad factors to run this in a chat channel without getting a lot of problems. When one person every now and then had an auction it was fun but to turn this into something which is actually supported by BB but cannot be moderated properly I think is just asking for trouble.
Thank you guys for your feedback, it has been really helpful for me in trying to shape the auction channel.
The idea is that I am trying to create an official space for people who want to hold auctions.
Regarding spam and lag issue, so long as auctions are not popular, I do not think that there is any harm in advertising in global-1 and help and therefore it will be allowed for now. The reason is that auctions are so few that if they are only announced in trade, they are likely to be missed. Once auctions become more popular we can rework the rule again.
With the lag/ignore, the most efficient thing is to add rule that the winner is determined by what the auctioneer sees. In case of dispute the auctioneer provides a screenshot.
If you guys have any further feedback and suggestions please let me know, otherwise I will implement this in the auction rules.
Cheers
BB_Namib
Super, so we will be getting loads of new exciting features that will get me back to playing the game and not just scanning the forums?Quote:
Originally Posted by BB_Ravel
Loads of exciting new features does not mean players will be happy :)
Loads of new features, means loads of development & testing.
Loads of development & testing costs money.
Money comes from somewhere... usually players.
Given the pricing model of this game (free), its hard to up the income stream enough to be able to develop at that pace.
I suppose if enough end game players REALLY wanted loads of new features, they could all buy oodles and oodles of gems :P
Well, all the info I can disclose on new exciting features is usually in the Dev Diaries (and Sneak Peeks). But I am noting your request, Ryuisnod.
make an auction tab that way u can just go their if u want to fIick between and see if anything catches ur attention pIayers Iike myseIf used to Iove hoIding auctions and bidding on them aIso an exampIe if pIayers argue over Iag then u state in ur auction advert u go buy auctioneers watch i have had same probIems before but stating this at the start ends any confusion :)
Well, give us the option to remove som tabs then. In-game chats are in general terribly working. TSO chat is the worst ever - please stop think about expanding anything about it until you get it to work properly.
(BTW What's the point of blackening everything else when you can (and will) still lose cursor focus..)
not Iiking the new ruIes on trade reIated taIks in g-3 they are usuaIIy just spare of the moment chats that Iast a few mins at best and can offer information and heIp to other pIayers and u have moved that to g-3 a channeI that has noone in it 99% of the time and then u seem siIIy asking "who wants to go g-3 and have a quick convo about granite prices" etc and not being funny if i was to hoId an auction id Iike to do it where my customers are even if u can say "hey im hoIding an auction in g-3 come if u can be bothered" [once per hr IoIoI] which most ppI cant be bothered and ones that turn up dont probabIy have enough gcs to even get the starting bid so it faiIs and u have wasted ur time and others aII because ppI have nothing better to do then moan about a fun bit of the game now u have trade channeI and aII it consists of is Iootspot seIIing/swaping, basket swaps, price checks and ppI saying what res they seIIing in T0 or whisper WoW im ingrossed in the game whoever made these ruIes up needs to actuaIIy pIay the game and not Iistern to pIayers that get the hump because attention is not aII on them,
as a subjestion i wouId strongIy recommend another tab for auctions and generaI trade chat and not having to type /j gIobaI-3 everytime then everyone wouId be happy
I agree with imyourmum , anoter tab for auctions would be a lot easier. That way advertising is not needed and can be kept out of the other channels.
+1 for auction tab.
I have had G3 `open` for hours before now and no one saying anything in it. I have held an auction in g3 and it sold at a ridiculously low price (I know this is a risk) but if held in trade tab it would almost surely have made a decent price (it was 50k bread so everyone uses it) I for one will NEVER again use G3.
auctions in trade tab were always a good laugh and if the auctioneer provides a screenshot if any arguments ensue then all is settled very fast and calmly.
back in the good old days we used to have auctions in trade ( or g3 in the old days) , yes it used to get heated sometimes - but when you have an online game, you expect that with the multitude of different players from different cultures/nations. but it was FUN! or isnt that allowed anymore? maybe the whole point of the game is to build wells and fields and buff my masons?
This current suggestion is like saying to a guest in your house, if you want to do a number 1 please use the downstairs toilet, but for number 2 you need to go upstairs.
Just add a new tab for auctions - sorted.
There's no room for a new tab if you're an officer...so no, not sorted.
no room? its just pixeIs mate make em smaIIer make em bigger not 2 hard is it?
No, it's not just pixels. It's another chat channel doing server calls.Quote:
Originally Posted by imyourmum
Are you satisfied with how TSO chat is working? I'm not.
kicks me out sometimes but i dont get paid to fix it so im not gonna Iose sIeep over it im sure it wouIdnt make a massive probIem that cant be fixed maybe yes if they sort that bug out first then decide to add another channeI but i know it wont happen straight away just wouId Iike to know if they are thinking about doing it that wouID be a start