Using MMA for achievements

BB_Ravel confirmed in this thread that using MMA prevents the player from getting certain achievements. I have two questions regarding this bug:

• Can we use MMA just to send troops to the adventure?
• What is the list of achievements that are affected by the bug? Or at least which types of achievements? The following types are the possible candidates, but is this list complete, or even correct:
  • Complete X using only Y (eg. "Thousads of Them" in Traitors)
  • Complete X without using any Y (eg. "Overkill" in Witch of the Swamp)
  • Complete X without using any ranged units (eg. "Close-up Blessings" in The Dark Priests)
  What about the achievements that put restriction on lost troops, are they affected too by MMA:
  • Complete X losing only Y (eg. "Incorruptible Minds" in The Dark Priests)
  • Complete X without losing any Y (eg. "Precious Horses" in Traitors)

I was playing Outlaws this morning using MMA. Achivements - Adventures - Outlaws - completed 100%

Thanks for the reply. So, achievements of type "Complete X losing less than Y Z" are not affected by MMA.

Dark Priests, 2 players, both players took only recruits. Fails the "use no ranged units" test (achievement doesn't complete), even though none were even taken to the island, nevermind used. Presumably this is also due to mma as we both had one.

I think it is only where you can't loose (or use) any Cavalry i.e. the attack by the MA counts as a cavalry attack. It may also cause a problem where the task is to use no ranged units (as Eeyore confirms above).

Outlaws is ok as the task is just loose less than x Rs or less than x total troops.


Looking at the adv's I have done I had a problem using the MA on WOTS, Traitors and SFTR.

I red on other threads that MMA is treated as ranged or calvary unit so probably because of that some adventure achievements can not be completed 100%.
And one of the moderator mention that this is a known bugg

Achievement 'Expert Raid' (Complete "The Nords" without using any milita) was not counted despite neither me nor invited player on loot spot sent any milita. MoMA was used once by me (LS player used a veteran with 2R and 2C).
No S or ES was lost - achievements for that was counted for both of us.
LS player went offline before I finished the adv. Loki's Trickery got counted for me but (yet) not for LS player (still offline).

And now LS player has come online, the 'Expert Raid' achievement has been counted for him, but not for me, despite he's not been playing any other Nords than mine.

At 3rd attempt, leaving MoMA at home, 'Expert Raid' got completed.

Used MoMA and an Assassin in DB to get 'Cold Darkness' done.. Guess what.. Didn't work.. =D

MMA in a VtV does not work

IOTP use nothing but recruits - I used MMA and the achievement did not complete.

I also sent 2 x mma with 640 R to IoTP. Completed all but "thousands of them" achievements.

I used a MMA in Witch of the Swamp. Had no soldiers on me, but "Overkill - do not use soldiers" did not complete. I did have elites, but it specifically mentions those as being okay, so that can't be it.

I personally have had MMA fails with regard to "use" of: ranged* (DP); soldiers (WoTS); cavalry (SFTR) and today Militia (SA). This leaves only 2 types of unit personally untested, recruits and elites and frankly I am not going to bother to test these, I just won't use the MMA on any adv with a "use no" requirement.

Simply put, it seems that the use of the MMA will trigger the "use" of any unit type and fail any achievement that relies on it. It will not fail a "lose less than x" achievement.


*Which presumably means it will also fail any of the 3 archers and Cannoneers.

Used Martial Artist attacks extensively in a Secluded Experiments today...

All four achievements popped without a problem... which was nice! :-)

I finished 3 adventures (Island of the Pirates, Motherly Love and Dark brotherhood) I didn't accomplish last achiements (use only rec, don't use crossbow etc), I used MMA :(
I din't get reward for some achiement (Motherly love less than 2 hours)
I have also problem with red mountains :(.

Red Mountain achievement is not related to this topic, but you need to use a geologist with three points in skill Natural Copper Vein.

mountain problem: I know doesn't cause MMA, it's just a comment may be a correlation. Not enough 3 mines for me (and many players) have to 6 mines!

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Originally Posted by SmurfAsH

Used MoMA and an Assassin in DB to get 'Cold Darkness' done.. Guess what.. Didn't work.. =D

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Removed MoMAs and started again with an Assassin - managed to get 'Cold Darkness' done.

IOTP - I used MMA and the quest for Using just recruits did not complete ....

Is anyone knows if we use Cavalry for blocks, in an "No cavalry" achivement, if it works? :)

Achievement "The Joust" - Complete The Black Knights without using xb and K does not complete with MMA..

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Originally Posted by MonOlykos

Is anyone knows if we use Cavalry for blocks, in an "No cavalry" achivement, if it works? :)

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Sorry to miss this - no, using cavalry in blocks is still using them, so it wont work.

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Originally Posted by bobsie

Sorry to miss this - no, using cavalry in blocks is still using them, so it wont work.

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I think you're wrong. Technically no troops are used in blocks unless they fails and gives you a battle report.
I've done IotP using only R on MG but S and ES in blocks - I had all achievements done (even that "only use R").

hmmm, from what i can tell, the coding for the MMA has conflicts with many of the "use no 'x' troops".
I have been informed that the MMA counts/acts as ALL TYPES of troop attacks (dont know why,dont know how,:confused: but thats what i 'ere-tell amongst the grape-vines. lolz)
yet another piece of cowboy coding on behalf o BB :o

If you check the achievement descriptions, they are telling what troops ain't restricted - MoMA's firststrike splash is never mentioned there so logically it's not counted as "ALL TYPES" but plainly never counted as a "non-restricted troop type".

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Originally Posted by SmurfAsH

I think you're wrong. Technically no troops are used in blocks unless they fails and gives you a battle report.
I've done IotP using only R on MG but S and ES in blocks - I had all achievements done (even that "only use R").

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OK, I shall defer to you! I cant check as I did them all ages ago :)

If anyone else is able to report back with clarification, it'd be appreciated.

Made a new guide specifically for RB achievement, use no xbows or cannons. I used the MMA. Obviously it failed. My ls passed though. I wish they would announce these bugs, i havent had time to check forums these last 2 weeks so didnt see this until help channel pointed out that its a bug or working as expected because MMA is counted as all troop types.

I dont see the logic in an MMA being all troop types. Why isnt a VET or a BHG or any of the other special gens? This sounds like a bug plain and simple. Also the achievement does not mention MMA at all. It states quite specifically what troops u can and can't use.

Bleh anyways, wasted literally hours on this crap. First time I have been very annoyed at the shoddy dev work. My time is very limited recently, so was very disappointing to experience this. Honestly, that popup we get on login should mention bugs like this. How hard is it to pop in the bugs so everyone knows what they are as soon as they login, instead of having to trawl the forums all the time.

/end rant

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Originally Posted by BB_Ravel

UPDATE: The date of this deployment has been changed to the 5th of June 2014.

The changes above will not be visible (since the event will be inactive until the 12th of June to allow all instances to start at the same time), but some bug fixes should be included (the achievement bugs connected to the MMA general).

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According to BB_Ravel the MMA bug will be fixed.