a negoctation botton in Trade Ofice

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18.02.15 23:12
SyKO_

a negotiation botton in Trade Office

some times there are offers that we can aford but in deffrent resources so i suggest to add a netiation botton in TO next to the desierd offer that gives a smal window where we put an alternativ price to the offer when done the item owner can check all the alternative offers he got for he's item and choses what he want that if no one did buy the item for the demanded price

for example

i want to sell a frozen manor for 100k coins others gives me the equivalent of it in granite maybe or weapons if i like it i take it

and here are some pictures to understand more ^^

http://forum.thesettlersonline.com/t...396#post275396
25.02.15 14:50
kaosbg

The "Negotiation button" is called "Whisper". You can use ingame email with the same success.
25.02.15 15:29
Dorotheus

This would require a new building using a separate trade mechanic. Then we have the problem of whom gets to set what the equivalent price is, would it be set by BB or by the player or by current market prices.
25.02.15 17:05
SyKO_

why do you complicated it ? sometimes i buy things in TO with an alternative price after i mail not whisper because most of the time the item's owner isn't in the game or so with this otion things are shorten i guve the price i can give for the item if he's okey with it i'll get no whisper no a lot of things and with a +option where he chose i don't want alternative prices !! and the basic code for it is already in the game it's called direct trade but without the need to be freinds and wait 24h hours !!
25.02.15 18:45
Brayarg

Cant this already be done in a fashion just by placing your own offer in to? again if the players likes it he can accept it.
25.02.15 20:55
SyKO_

you are right but it's a bit tiering to swap a resources into a nother one to buy an offer we've found in the TO so you give him the resources you have if he likes it he takes it and you won't need to seel your resources to get the demanded price with the risk of not findin that offer and wait more am wrong in that i know his game is about patience in lvling and building a good island not in buying a good deal ! and it shorts the way you won't have to speak with the seller to accept an alternativ price for it
25.02.15 21:08
Brayarg

That's not really what I was saying at all.
25.02.15 21:26
SyKO_

so what did you mean ?? Brayarg ??
25.02.15 21:30
Brayarg

example

if i offer a fm for 100k coin in the To.
you see my offer but don't have 100k coin, instead you want to offer 30k granite.

You can just put your 30k granite into the TO and request a fm.

That in itself is a counter offer, might not be a one 2 one personal offer, but still a counter offer that either myseld (seller) or anyone else if they like it can accept.

http://static.cdn.ubi.com/0034/int/g...hite_black.png
25.02.15 21:54
SyKO_

it's not an counter offer am givin it to u !! look my idea is the next ( in TO for example you are selling FM for 100k coins so that's offer 1 / i want to buy a FM for 90k coins so that's offer 2 why waist a lot of time waitin some one sells me a FM i link directly my offer to yours if you don't accept it i triy with some else or put my offer alone )

am not sayin it's the best idea ever but it can make tradin better !!
25.02.15 22:04
Brayarg

yep, you can do this now just by placing your own offer, and yep its a counter offer :)
25.02.15 22:17
SyKO_

well it's trading and it's calld negotiation !!
25.02.15 23:40
Dorotheus

Quote:

Originally Posted by SyKO_

why do you complicated it ? sometimes i buy things in TO with an alternative price after i mail not whisper because most of the time the item's owner isn't in the game or so with this otion things are shorten i guve the price i can give for the item if he's okey with it i'll get no whisper no a lot of things and with a +option where he chose i don't want alternative prices !! and the basic code for it is already in the game it's called direct trade but without the need to be freinds and wait 24h hours !!

I'm not making it complicated. What may sound like a simple idea may in fact be very complicated to implement in a way which leaves most users happy. You are also mistaken if you believe the current system of trade either directly or via trade office includes what you want as there is nothing to support that assumption.

When you place your initial offer you have no way of knowing before hand what possible counter offers may be offered, maybe they will offer granite or maybe beans or maybe event items, basically any item which can be traded.

Also it don't do you any good if they make a counter offer just before your offer runs out, by the time you see it because your off-line, buffing somebody or on an adventure or just a little slow, the trade has timed out and you have to start the whole process again.

What you want requires a different game mechanic from what already exists, the easiest way to do this is with a new building since to use the current trade office opens up the possibility of more bugs.

As for direct trade without the 24hr cool down there is a good reason for why it's not available and you can blame scammers for that.
25.02.15 23:42
Brayarg

yep already exists in the game in the form of the TO, offers negotiations and counteroffers are all present as it is. -1

I always check the TO before placing my offers, I look to see what the best offers are and price my offer accordingly I am counter offering.
25.02.15 23:55
Xibor

Seems to me a 'counter-offer' button would just confuse things. A person could get dozens (hundreds) of counter-offers, unless you limit it to only one counter-offer per offer and then people would 'tie up' the counter offer with a stupid offer just to be annoying.

I have also thought it would be nice to 'direct trade' with anyone (friends list or not), but the point is well taken about scammers and it while that would be the minority there would be enough that it's probably not a good idea overall.

Between the TO and the open trade chat seems to me that all the necessary options are there.
25.02.15 23:58
Brayarg

Direct trading is how it use to be Xibor, dark time back then :(
26.02.15 12:32
SyKO_

look when i've had the idea i was more thikin in a botton that links you directly to the seller ( whisper ) whiout trying to look for he's name in mail or chat (global . help ...ect) but it's ruined if the owner isn't logged in then thaught of this botton where you can propose a price for an item it will look like the auctions in the Global-3 but you aren't obliged to be logged in to have/give a price for an item !
26.02.15 12:41
matie2506

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xibor

Seems to me a 'counter-offer' button would just confuse things. A person could get dozens (hundreds) of counter-offers, unless you limit it to only one counter-offer per offer and then people would 'tie up' the counter offer with a stupid offer just to be annoying.

I have also thought it would be nice to 'direct trade' with anyone (friends list or not), but the point is well taken about scammers and it while that would be the minority there would be enough that it's probably not a good idea overall.
also think that it could be confusing, i always say make it good but easy

yeah the direct trade has been possible for a long time but due to scams BB_ made the (smart) decision to let it have a 24h CD which i think lowered the amount of Scams by 75% only scams which happen now are adventure trades like someone says he offers a VLT LS for 24k gc offer 1 fish for 24k gc on TO someone buys the ls so say that in whisper and buys the trade and never hears from that 1 person ever again.

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Originally Posted by Dorotheus

I'm not making it complicated <...> you can blame scammers for that.

indeed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brayarg

<...>I always check the TO before placing my offers, I look to see what the best offers are and price my offer accordingly I am counter offering.

yup same and than i dont mean those ... ppl who underbid each other with 1k, 5k, 10k :P just like 50gc depending on the offer ofc.
but i would suggest that ppl check TO before placing ^^

Quote:

Originally Posted by SyKO_

look when i've had the idea i was more thikin in a botton that links you directly to the seller ( whisper ) whiout trying to look for he's name in mail or chat (global . help ...ect) but it's ruined if the owner isn't logged in then thaught of this botton where you can propose a price for an item it will look like the auctions in the Global-3 but you aren't obliged to be logged in to have/give a price for an item !

i do agree with Brayarg that just placing ur own trade is easier :P (and if you want to sell it earlier i would announce that ur selling something in Trade chat)
And there is an special Auction chat where someone offers something and you call what you want to give for it etc... at least i thought there was (seen it on chat but dont remember the global number

so syKO_ if you could edit your first suggestion with exactly how you want it and maybe with an example/picture :) would like to see how you like to have it and why. but i think its not something nessesary as there are thing you can do just as easy :)

cheers,
me ;)
26.02.15 13:11
Ozzymandeus

Quote:

Originally Posted by SyKO_

look when i've had the idea i was more thikin in a botton that links you directly to the seller ( whisper ) whiout trying to look for he's name in mail or chat (global . help ...ect) but it's ruined if the owner isn't logged in then thaught of this botton where you can propose a price for an item it will look like the auctions in the Global-3 but you aren't obliged to be logged in to have/give a price for an item !

Your button idea won't be of much use if the person you are trying to negotiate with is not logged in and you might as well just send them a mail (for all the good it will do if someone pays their asking price in the mean time)... if they are logged in then you don't need to search chat to find them, you can just type the following into your chat client: /w <username> <message>
26.02.15 14:07
SyKO_

^^ ozzy i've said th seller will find a log thing when he checks he's offer that contains the the alternative offers and matie 2506 i'll make some pictures but will take a bit time so wait plz ^^
26.02.15 14:08
matie2506

np take ur time ^^
26.02.15 16:53
SyKO_

as requested for i've got some pictures hope they will sho what am thinkin of !

the 3 picturs next is what the seller is gone see !!

http://i62.tinypic.com/29o5qg2.png

http://i60.tinypic.com/2i0dkso.png

http://i57.tinypic.com/m8e5om.png

and this is the botton the buyer whill see if the seller wants to have alternativ offers !!

http://i58.tinypic.com/2zovfon.png

iit's not the best work but hope you'll understand it ^^
26.02.15 18:46
fishslice

If someone wants to sell (as an example) pinewood and they are willing to take 3 different types of sales - lets say coins, granite and fish. Then they should list (and pay for) 3 separate types of trades. The game already caters for this and to suggest more complex ways of doing it has the potential to add to server load and potential lag issues so no thanks.
28.02.15 15:05
SyKO_

load ? no one works in BB to know how things are rreally workin so you can't speak of what you son't know ! and counter offers are when to players ae sellin the same item for diffrent prices my botton is for two players one wants to sell an item and the second wants to buy that item that's a lot diffrent and trading is a lot simple in TSO !!!!