Why you don't use Oil instead of Coal? We need Oil !

A lot of swamps around, seems there must be an Oil somehow :p I smell it :p

i just want to say Hi, first.

But I hope BB ::E:: take this suggestion seriously, because its become a gap in Historical Timeline specially after XXL or actually even before XXL, and since not a lot of players still even pass level 51 so there is a time to change buildings and its production needs??

Why we do not have Oil? :rolleyes:

I think with load of production line that use coal, the coal will become The BIG problem and serious issue later, most of chains for almost anything the coal is involved, I think its time to get something more interesting like Oil?

Or even the coal chain become so harder, think about that you need about 50% of buildings or more just to get coal? (pinewood + coking plants)


How even we do have advanced materials newer than Oil and we do not have the Oil? the Oil know even before AD , the Petroleum from like 347 AD, in modern history its around 1700's while we have platinum and titanium from 1800's?

I think you need to look at the following references to see and look into history timeline :

Petroleum:
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Edit: even links for Wikipedia not allowed! so Search for Petroleum history

Platinum :
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Edit: even links for Wikipedia not allowed! so Search for Platinum history

Titanium:
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Edit: even links for Wikipedia not allowed! so Search for Titanium history

What you think? :confused:

Anyway this is just a suggestion :) , and hopefully will be heard?


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Just for fun If you can add nuklear power too :p

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oil rigs off the coast, how bout wind farms too?

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Originally Posted by vigabrand

oil rigs off the coast, how bout wind farms too?

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I think the game must stay in the same age and style, I think wind farms is for power is so modern for the style of game.

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Originally Posted by TheVictorious

I think wind farms is for power is so modern for the style of game.

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DUUUUUUDE!!! how do u make flour? rofl.... apart from that, ye I agree :)

In the time period the game was set hydro power was used a lot as well.

Just because something is known does not imply it was used. Took about 1650 years for steam to be adopted as a power source.

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Originally Posted by Dorotheus

Took about 1650 years for steam to be adopted as a power source.

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..and wasn't connected to TSO until recently. :cool:

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Originally Posted by vigabrand

DUUUUUUDE!!! how do u make flour? rofl.... apart from that, ye I agree :)

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flour is from 6000 BC and mills that make flour is about 70-80 BC !!

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Originally Posted by Dorotheus

In the time period the game was set hydro power was used a lot as well.

Just because something is known does not imply it was used. Took about 1650 years for steam to be adopted as a power source.

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i agree, but with "primary" power source, i think it must be adopted, I think there must be a nerf for coal or find another power source instead of using coal, a lot of coal usage and i'm sure this is just battle nick and needed a solution here.

You do realize that coal is still used as a resource for power generation these days? Check the english wiki for Coal#Uses_today as well as Electricity_generation - it's not just an ancient way to power things, it's still a major resource for power. In the US (as for 2014) electricity generated by coal is about 38%, natural gas about 27%, nuclear about 20%. In Germany it's 43% coal, 26% renewable (solar, wind, water, etc), 16% nuclear and 10% natural gas. Other countries have similar values, depending on their access to certain resources.

Petroleum (crude oil) is mainly used for transportation fuel (81%), for chemical industry (12%, plastics, lubricants, pharmaceuticals, etc), for heavy fuel oil (4%) and for asphalt (3%). Transportation fuels are gasoline (46%), diesel (26%) and kerosene (9%). Heavy fuel oils - those are the ones that are used for power generation. So you want to add petroleum/oil to the game, because of those 4%? In most countries this is about 1-2% of overall energy production.

So if petroleum/oil was added to the game, in order to be a legit resource, you would have to add a lot more: cars, airplanes, modern ships, chemical industries that use petroleum to produce different products etc. And while you add all these, coal consumption will have to rise even more, because all of them need coal.

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Originally Posted by Colyx

You do realize that coal is still used as a resource for power generation these days? Check the english wiki for Coal#Uses_today as well as Electricity_generation - it's not just an ancient way to power things, it's still a major resource for power. In the US (as for 2014) electricity generated by coal is about 38%, natural gas about 27%, nuclear about 20%. In Germany it's 43% coal, 26% renewable (solar, wind, water, etc), 16% nuclear and 10% natural gas. Other countries have similar values, depending on their access to certain resources.

Petroleum (crude oil) is mainly used for transportation fuel (81%), for chemical industry (12%, plastics, lubricants, pharmaceuticals, etc), for heavy fuel oil (4%) and for asphalt (3%). Transportation fuels are gasoline (46%), diesel (26%) and kerosene (9%). Heavy fuel oils - those are the ones that are used for power generation. So you want to add petroleum/oil to the game, because of those 4%? In most countries this is about 1-2% of overall energy production.

So if petroleum/oil was added to the game, in order to be a legit resource, you would have to add a lot more: cars, airplanes, modern ships, chemical industries that use petroleum to produce different products etc. And while you add all these, coal consumption will have to rise even more, because all of them need coal.

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I agree, and we still use coal but not so much compared to Oil, but I don't say to replace coal at all, i just meant that we need another power source, and Oil not meaning lets go for Cars, airplanes ... etc because even with coal there was trains, vehicles , ships and so on.

And lets say its an idea :)

I'm just trying to understand your thoughts behind it. You argue that we need a res like oil because we have other advanced res. But oil is not more advanced/modern than coal and it is not used that much as coal. So if there was oil in TSO, what would you actually use it for? Using it in some production chains instead of coal doesn't make sense because it actually is not used in any of those. Oil is a resource that is used for transportation and advanced material industries - so you would have to create new production chains so oil makes sense - so what new production chains do you think the game needs to justify the presence of oil? ;)

Maybe you just don't like coal, idk, but coal always was and still is a major energy resource worldwide. The only thing that changed are the machines that convert coal into power. We now have a more advanced industry that are more efficient and generate more power compared to 200 years ago. So the only logic step would be to not introduce oil as a new resource but add new buildings that transform coal into a different energy source that is then used to power all other production chains.

Oil is all about transportation - I don't see any transportation in TSO atm. So adding oil as an alternative to coal is wrong - historically and scientifically. And since you wanted a more realistic approach, well, this is the reality, like it or not :)

I think we are getting confused about what is used for what. Coal in game is not used as a power source it's used as a source of heat. True oil was burnt but is was as a light source not a heat source in the time period we are talking about. As we are looking for a heat source this limits our possible candidates. All of the alternatives I can think of either don't generate enough heat to be useful for metal working or are too highly localized. I will list them in case somebody can think of another.
Fission (A natural reactor has been discovered in the Gobi dessert)
Solar (Any metal working civilization could have made them, bit hit and miss due to clouds etc)
Geothermal (It's use as a heat source may predate our species)

If you want more realism, you know that gunpowder also requires sulfur and coal.

Maybe I shouldn't have said that... :D