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I was just wondering if any Irish players are gonna start complaining about free stuff on a day that most of us dont know much about?
thb i don't understand women and so i really dont understand why all the hassle over last free stuff we had.
maybe bb could put a refuse/accept button on these mails and see who actually doesn't want free stuff?
ty bb :)
well being welsh i'm miffed that St Davids got nothing and are they doing St Andrew and St George?, or is it that the Irish are known for there drinking, so hey lets give them brew, favouritism comes to my mind :( is that even allowed?
Thanks BB for the presents on St. Pat's Day! Cheers! :D
(as for those already moaning (and those planning to moan), feel free to put the gifts on the market for 1 fish or something if you don't want them, whatever, and just keep the moans to yourselves please.)
Happy St Patrick's Day!
Please continue with the tradition of free gifts and ignore the moaners. You can never satisfy all but a lot of people appreciate it and I am one of them. Thanks a lot.
I don't think anyone is 'moaning' about the free gifts, though some may make points re stereotypes etc as per Women's Day. What they are doing is pointing out that there are other ''National'' days such as St David's etc. That is very different to moaning, it is merely highlighting a discrepancy. As a Welshman I am not in the slightest worried that only St Patricks day is acknowledged, only a fool would turn away the free gifts when they come for whatever reason.
Lol Even if BB just called it `Happy Friday', someone would complain that it got more or less than the previous `Happy Thursday' and that Happy Monday wasn't recognised at all for its significant contribution to the start of the week. Thanks BB for the gifts with some thought for an accompanying theme to that real world I keep hearing about ;)
Thank you BB for the gifts - raising a glass (of milk) to you :)
Thank you BB for the gifts:)
This has been suggested before. ;) Still, "Take the free stuff and LIKE IT! ~or~ Chuck it in the bin and shut up about it! :D" is not really the best solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by vigabrand
Top of the morning to y'all
Funnily enough, I haven't seen any moaning about the event rewards but there sure seems to be a lot of moaning about moaning. Maybe for the next gift event, I should start a thread pre-emptively moaning about the moaner moaners?
It seems some would take free stuff no matter what the occasion, as long as it is free.
This lack of empathy with what a special day may mean to some of us, from both players and BB makes me depressed. If it does not mean anything to you then why insult other people.
I have nothing against Sct Patricks day, but the celebration of this day cant help making me wonder, about any other country's national day. If BB should celebrate them all they would have to be very busy.
I would think every country in the world have a national day. What about the Chinese new year ? where to start and where to stop ? Why is the Irish national day more important than the Danish, Spanish or Norwegian? Or any other country for that matter :p
You are entirely missing the point those women were trying to make. The point was not to complain about getting free stuff. The point was that the gifts could be viewed as reinforcing a sexist stereotype. A very real stereotype that holds real women back in their real lives in important ways. This is not a frivolous complaint. Reinforcing a power dynamic that disenfranchises women has, inadvertently or not, upset some PEOPLE. (Pro tip: Women are people as well as men.)Quote:
Originally Posted by vigabrand
Here is a (sexist) example that might help you understand. You get your wife a vacuum cleaner for Christmas. Now do you know why she is upset? You are telling her she is just good for cleaning the house.
Not that this is relevant, but -- My personal view is that BB did a very nice job of pointing out the powerful women in the game and adding more is a great step forward. It is a far cry from equal representation but I think it is great that they acknowledged this day and are taking steps to add more female characters to the game. I also personally believe any slight was inadvertent, but inadvertent ones matter too. (There is a word for it: microaggression.)
I don't see anyone connecting the two events because they are entirely different. Maybe it would be different if say, BB gave only Brew to everyone and reinforced a stereotype of the Irish as being useless drunkards. Not good, right? But you know, I am not Irish, so I could be wrong on this, and if an Irish person said the gifts given were offensive, I would like to learn about why so I can understand better.
You seem more interested in complaining about the complainers than trying to understand their experience and point of view. Everyone on this planet knows something you don't, just like you know things that I do not. Let's try and be friendly and have open minds and learn from each other.
nicely put fuseboy :)
Thanks for the goodies BB :)
ty bb :)
Thank you :) Very well said :)
It has made me really depressed to lean how many people just did not get it. I got even more depressed to see how you can get a discussion closed if you dont agree or just think it is fun to put stupid remarks.Quote:
You are entirely missing the point those women were trying to make. The point was not to complain about getting free stuff. The point was that the gifts could be viewed as reinforcing a sexist stereotype. A very real stereotype that holds real women back in their real lives in important ways. This is not a frivolous complaint. Reinforcing a power dynamic that disenfranchises women has, inadvertently or not, upset some PEOPLE. (Pro tip: Women are people as well as men.)
Here is a (sexist) example that might help you understand. You get your wife a vacuum cleaner for Christmas. Now do you know why she is upset? You are telling her she is just good for cleaning the house.
Not that this is relevant, but -- My personal view is that BB did a very nice job of pointing out the powerful women in the game and adding more is a great step forward. It is a far cry from equal representation but I think it is great that they acknowledged this day and are taking steps to add more female characters to the game. I also personally believe any slight was inadvertent, but inadvertent ones matter too. (There is a word for it: microaggression.)
I don't see anyone connecting the two events because they are entirely different. Maybe it would be different if say, BB gave only Brew to everyone and reinforced a stereotype of the Irish as being useless drunkards. Not good, right? But you know, I am not Irish, so I could be wrong on this, and if an Irish person said the gifts given were offensive, I would like to learn about why so I can understand better.
You seem more interested in complaining about the complainers than trying to understand their experience and point of view. Everyone on this planet knows something you don't, just like you know things that I do not. Let's try and be friendly and have open minds and learn from each other.
;):)That is SO true, and very well putQuote:
Originally Posted by Larili
You still dont get that it is not about the stuff we get or does not get. :p I could not care less about it. I never remember to use it anyway and it does not really matter. It bothers me more that we cant not get it by not accepting or declining it. I can delete it - but I would still have received it then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xibor
When BB decides to celebrate something they make a political statement that that day for some reason is important in some way. If I for some private reason does not agree with the signal they sent - I want to be able to say no.
That said I have absolutely nothing against st Patrick's day, or the stuff sent on that occasion, but I can understand why people from lots of other countries would say that their national day is just as important as the Irish.
Perhaps if people feel strongly about it, raise a suggestion to opt out of in-game promotions which includes these particular style of rewards.
I think you still don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Urd123
I can't believe people react so much about such things. It's the over reaction I'm mentioning.
Oh can you tell me when Xmas and New years day became political.Quote:
Originally Posted by Urd123
She's upset because her husband is a dim-wit, not because he is a sexist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuseboy
And if the Irish were worried about being stereotyped as drunks they wouldn't make a massive thing of St Patrick's Day, most celebrations all over the world seeming to involve drinking green Guinness in vast quantities.
It's always a good idea not to get offended on someone else's behalf. If they are offended, doubtless they will let us know themselves, unless you are stereotyping the Irish as too thick to be able to do so?
Incidentally, in order for your example to be one of sexism, you are making the assumption that the wife must be the wife of a man. Homophobia!!!!!!!!
The whole, entire (now defunct) Arabic server is one example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorotheus
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Originally Posted by Xibor
The *groan*ing above, the *eyeroll*ing of last year when this same subject was raised, and as I recall... your comment about pulling chairs out for your wife used as an example of equity, along with the absolute strawman of people "who hate flowers" raise some obvious questions about just who is missing the point and overreacting. Dismissiveness, played out in the manner of a petulant adolescent, contributes little to a conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xibor
It is absolutely exhausting trying to explain, in a reasoned manner, to people looking to deny problems, or to those more focused on defending themselves, that something may indeed be a symptom of a larger problem.
This is a casual response to a Trade issue:
This is an exchange that should never have been needed:Quote:
Originally Posted by AllIhadleft
The fact the Corporate Spokesperson's response to a question about the missing women was that the Devs are men and just never really thought of such a thing as women but the women on the team fought hard to get those same Science Building female settlers in-game....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kit_because this: http://www.safeunderdark.com/img/TSO/TSO-137.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by MOD_Daz
totaly makes up for this: http://www.safeunderdark.com/img/TSO/TSO-138.jpghttp://www.safeunderdark.com/img/TSO/TSO-139.jpg
:p
That last year the game's German Facebook page *blew up* with complaints about flowers for the girls...
All of this adds up. See "microaggression"
Trying to pin someone to the wall and labeling them "phobic", OleGit, for neglecting to include different marital combinations as a way of making a point in an otherwise very well thought out, calm, fair, and gentle post, in no way detracts from the history of "Derp derp... women? That's a thing? Wait... And they're people too?"
Is it the end of the world? No. No-one has said it is. Are flowers nice? Yep, when they're appropriate, like say in the Valentine's Day gift perhaps only there are no flowers in that gift. Is all of this symptomatic of a larger general issue? Yep. Yes, BB have made progress and that's grand but as the specific issue of the Women's Day gift has come up every year and has clearly been ignored it is irrational to be surprised, or put out, or snit-fitty, that it came up again this year.
That took a lot of time Iolanthe.
(btw pulling a chair out for my wife isn't a sign of equity, it's just a simple gesture of respect and courtesy)
But go ahead and keep the issue burning...
Aye, typing out something with more thought behind it than "groan" "rolls eyes" took a little time. I'm okay with that.
You have to be kidding me. You complain about that and miss the obvious chance to skewer me for assuming they are Christian? Or that they are monogamous? Come on now, if you want to throw up a straw man, try harder, there's lots more opportunities there.Quote:
Originally Posted by OleGit
Nowhere did I say I was offended on someone else's behalf. Straw man #2. *
It is one thing to take offense. It is another thing entirely to point out injustice. Just because someone might label one "offended" (the horror!) does not make the practice of pointing out injustice any less worthy. And to make a big stink about people raising those issues on a day specifically meant to increase awareness and work towards a more inclusive, gender equal world, is somewhere between tone-deaf and outright hostile.
When you're accustomed to privilege, equality can feel like oppression. Dismissing reasoned arguments without consideration is a weak thing done by weak people.
Could you not take a moment to cultivate some empathy instead of lashing out?
* I am offended, actually, I'm offended for all the women and the girls that have to put up with this nonsense.
Oh the injustice of BB sending everyone some virtual brew on St Patrick's Day to the offence of not a single Irish man or woman!
Thread is now closed due to the deterioration of civil discussion. This is the second time I've had to close a thread regarding a Community Event, both of which contain the same players resorting to petty bickering. Please don't let this happen again, as I don't want to progress to further moderation.