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13.05.17 15:29
Dorotheus

Paperwork guide

Should also work on bookbinder. I would also suggest RPH but can see why that would not be possible.
13.05.17 16:22
Mannerheim

+1
13.05.17 18:08
Rhylian

-1
13.05.17 18:26
Thejollyone

-1 cant see how it could work tbh, its a zone buff and those do not work on the normal prov houses..
13.05.17 19:23
Mannerheim

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Originally Posted by Rhylian

-1

Didn't you just hope for a second rarity prov house or a faster way to make books few days ago in the game chat? or maybe I remember the wrong name :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Thejollyone

-1 cant see how it could work tbh, its a zone buff and those do not work on the normal prov houses..

What? Zone buffs are just buffs and each one just has a simple list of buildings which they affect. It's not something they couldn't do and similar example already is recruitment guide which applies to barracks, also a self only buffed buildings.
13.05.17 19:56
DaisyDuke

-1 You have not stated your case - poor effort
13.05.17 19:57

indeed -1
13.05.17 20:08
Mannerheim

If you people say -1 you could at least explain why. With the new general skills and new increased specialist limits there is years of worth book production time required. Not everyone has enough levels to access the recipes.
14.05.17 03:36
Rhylian

Imp RPH or 2nd rph sure. messing with a buff: no.
One is actually a buff hat decreases TIME (the bookbinder one) the other is one that increases the AMOUNT of what you get (on other buildings).
That means making the buff do both which is ridiculous. Could have figured that out yourself.

So still -1
14.05.17 05:29
Qaw-Paw

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Originally Posted by Mannerheim

If you people say -1 you could at least explain why. With the new general skills and new increased specialist limits there is years of worth book production time required. Not everyone has enough levels to access the recipes.

every day we see people jealous because they are not at same level.
you will get there When you get there,thats how game is.
why does every thing has to be for lower levels, to have it easier, every day a new post from those players
i really could not care less.
14.05.17 08:40
Dorotheus

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Originally Posted by Thejollyone

-1 cant see how it could work tbh, its a zone buff and those do not work on the normal prov houses..

I had mentioned that I did not think the suggestion would not work on the Rarity Provision House, the reasoning behind that was because it's not as simple to code as the other guides due to fact that the RPH may be producing non-book items and this would also result in additional lag due to the constant need to poll the RPH production to see if the buff is applicable.
14.05.17 08:47
Dorotheus

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Originally Posted by Rhylian

Imp RPH or 2nd rph sure. messing with a buff: no.
One is actually a buff hat decreases TIME (the bookbinder one) the other is one that increases the AMOUNT of what you get (on other buildings).
That means making the buff do both which is ridiculous. Could have figured that out yourself.

So still -1

Buffs increase production amount, guides reduce the amount of time needed to produce items. As the suggestion is for the effect a guide has, it is intended only to do the latter and not the former.
14.05.17 09:04
Syltom1

If Recruitment Guide can work on 2 Barracks together with Drill buffs, there is no reason why Paper Guide can't work on Bookbinder together with Glue buffs.
14.05.17 12:40
Mannerheim

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Originally Posted by Qaw-Paw

every day we see people jealous because they are not at same level.
you will get there When you get there,thats how game is.
why does every thing has to be for lower levels, to have it easier, every day a new post from those players
i really could not care less.

Where did I say anything about low levels? you can't even get the paperwork guide below lvl 53 unless you trade. Highest recipe is behind a level 63 limit which I have personally have already passed, thank you very much.
14.05.17 12:57
Rhylian

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Originally Posted by Dorotheus

Buffs increase production amount, guides reduce the amount of time needed to produce items. As the suggestion is for the effect a guide has, it is intended only to do the latter and not the former.

Paperwork guide and Woodworking guide do not decrease time. It INCREASES amount. Which is why you are asking for the buff to both. And it is doing exactly as intended (increase amount) so claiming it is supposed to do the other is ridiculous. In fact the exception is the Barracks buff.
14.05.17 13:31
Mannerheim

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Originally Posted by Rhylian

Paperwork guide and Woodworking guide do not decrease time. It INCREASES amount. Which is why you are asking for the buff to both. And it is doing exactly as intended (increase amount) so claiming it is supposed to do the other is ridiculous. In fact the exception is the Barracks buff.

No one is claiming anything ridiculous. This is a suggestion and they have a full control of their game and how the buff modifiers work per building production type. At minimum it could be as simple that all they need to do is to add the bookbinder to the list of affected buildings and it automatically works.

The buff has a modifier value of 3, in resource production buildings (type 1) the value is used to multiply the output, in buff or troop production buildings (type 2) the value is used to divide the production time. Basic elementary math and the game "engine" already most likely supports everything based on existing buffs behaviors.
14.05.17 13:48
Rhylian

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Originally Posted by Mannerheim

No one is claiming anything ridiculous. This is a suggestion and they have a full control of their game and how the buff modifiers work per building production type. At minimum it could be as simple that all they need to do is to add the bookbinder to the list of affected buildings and it automatically works.

The buff has a modifier value of 3, in resource production buildings (type 1) the value is used to multiply the output, in buff or troop production buildings (type 2) the value is used to divide the production time. Basic elementary math and the game "engine" already most likely supports everything based on existing buffs behaviors.

No? read Dorotheus's post where he says he knows what the buff was intended to do (reduce time) Pretty ridiculous claim as he is not on the Dev team.
2nd it is actually quite possible the barracks buff doesn't use a multiplier but a %age. Aka reduce by X%. However you are still asking in any case for a buff to be changed so it does both multiplying and dividing. I can quite clearly see the epic fail resulting from that if it gets bugged.
14.05.17 14:05
Mannerheim

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Originally Posted by Rhylian

However you are still asking in any case for a buff to be changed so it does both multiplying and dividing.

No I'm not. I'm saying a buff only has a duration and modifier value. It's mathematical behavior is determined by the target building.
14.05.17 14:23
Rhylian

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Originally Posted by Mannerheim

No I'm not. I'm saying a buff only has a duration and modifier value. It's mathematical behavior is determined by the target building.

Oh and you coded the buffs yourself to know they do not have a divider or multiplier in the buff? Interesting .... seems we have 2 former TSO devs here now -_-
14.05.17 14:35
Mannerheim

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Originally Posted by Rhylian

Oh and you coded the buffs yourself to know they do not have a divider or multiplier in the buff? Interesting .... seems we have 2 former TSO devs here now -_-

... or one of us or both have seen in the past the game files where most of the stuff is partly defined? google settlers gamesettings.xml
14.05.17 14:42
Rhylian

Did that only shows for settlers IV -_-. Browser is not the same as the install game
14.05.17 14:54
Mannerheim

Try harder. Tip, premium looks like this (found from my old inbox messages):

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<Buff buffType="Instant" deletable="false" group="Productivity" id="119" name="PremiumAccount1Day" produceable="false" targetZones="Home" tradable="false">
<Durations>
<Duration applianceMode="Player" days="1" />
</Durations>
</Buff>

Since you are not in the dev team either plus you have 2 years younger account you don't have any more credibility to do counter claims than we do :rolleyes:

Anyways I'm done for this thread. The original suggestion is valid and its been suggested in other game regions too.
14.05.17 15:03
Rhylian

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Originally Posted by Mannerheim

Try harder. Tip, premium looks like this (found from my old inbox messages):

Since you are not in the dev team either plus you have 2 years younger account you don't have any more credibility to do counter claims than we do :rolleyes:

Anyways I'm done for this thread. The original suggestion is valid and its been suggested in other game regions too.

FYI I do not see this "multiplier/divider" you claim to have seen.
So, then if I cannot make counterclaims, then you cannot make claims as in only the devs know.

So it still comes down to messing with a buff (either changing it to affect more/other buildings or change a multiplier/divider) so
still -1
14.05.17 17:37
SmurfAsH

A guide for PH and Bookbinder should be named Sticky Fudge.
14.05.17 19:09
Dorotheus

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Originally Posted by Rhylian

No? read Dorotheus's post where he says he knows what the buff was intended to do (reduce time) Pretty ridiculous claim as he is not on the Dev team.
2nd it is actually quite possible the barracks buff doesn't use a multiplier but a %age. Aka reduce by X%. However you are still asking in any case for a buff to be changed so it does both multiplying and dividing. I can quite clearly see the epic fail resulting from that if it gets bugged.

Why would I be asking for a buff which lasts just 2/3rds of a production cycle ? What possible effect could I be asking for ? When has it been a rule that you have to be on the Dev team to make a player suggestion ?
15.05.17 05:25
Rhylian

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Originally Posted by Dorotheus

Why would I be asking for a buff which lasts just 2/3rds of a production cycle ? What possible effect could I be asking for ? When has it been a rule that you have to be on the Dev team to make a player suggestion ?

Wow putting words in my mouth now ... I am saying you cannot claim to know what a buff was intended to do which is exactly what you claimed in your post.
15.05.17 07:58
TheVictorious

+1 :)
Nice idea, but also, make no benefits if BB do not make a queue for bookbinder, yes, even with RPH, bookbinder still need to get a queue to not waste those buffs around, so even with paper guide applied, this is will be minor, and not giving a big benefits.
15.05.17 17:40
Dorotheus

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Originally Posted by Rhylian

Wow putting words in my mouth now ... I am saying you cannot claim to know what a buff was intended to do which is exactly what you claimed in your post.

I'm not claiming to know what it's intended to do, there is a very good reason why I'm not claiming what you say I'm claiming. That reason is there is no paperwork guide buff for the Bookbinder yet. I am requesting that it be added with a particular effect. As it does not exist yet there is no intended design yet.
15.05.17 20:05
Rhylian

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Originally Posted by Dorotheus

Buffs increase production amount, guides reduce the amount of time needed to produce items. As the suggestion is for the effect a guide has, it is intended only to do the latter and not the former.

here you explicitly state that the guide's effect is INTENDED to be time reducing. They are not. ONLY the barracks buff reduces time. All the other guides increase amount. So yes you claimed exactly what I said you did lol
15.05.17 23:31
vigabrand

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Originally Posted by Mannerheim

With the new general skills and new increased specialist limits there is years of worth book production time required. Not everyone has enough levels to access the recipes.

i hope u have thanked bb for giving u such longevity in the game. it seems most ppl want everything right now and it's a silly attitude. i dont want to complete settlers next week. i want goals and the need to put in some time and effort to achieve them
16.05.17 08:35
Urd123

I cant really see why. Most buffs on Bookbinder is a waste no matter what as long as you can only make one book at a time. Not many of us sit in front of computer 24-7 ready to start production of next book.
16.05.17 10:21
Qaw-Paw

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Originally Posted by vigabrand

i hope u have thanked bb for giving u such longevity in the game. it seems most ppl want everything right now and it's a silly attitude. i dont want to complete settlers next week. i want goals and the need to put in some time and effort to achieve them

+1
16.05.17 10:33
Xibor

Quote:

Originally Posted by vigabrand

i hope u have thanked bb for giving u such longevity in the game. it seems most ppl want everything right now and it's a silly attitude. i dont want to complete settlers next week. i want goals and the need to put in some time and effort to achieve them

+1
16.05.17 11:03
Mannerheim

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Originally Posted by vigabrand

i hope u have thanked bb for giving u such longevity in the game. it seems most ppl want everything right now and it's a silly attitude. i dont want to complete settlers next week. i want goals and the need to put in some time and effort to achieve them

If you read it again I talked about several years and did not say anything about people wanting everything immediately. Also this thread is about a suggestion that would have a minor positive impact on the book production and it's not about asking free books or a second rarity provision house. When you say most people, who are you referring here or are making your assumptions out of nowhere? is it the people on your server, someone in this thread or where?

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