Ability to buy gems as a GIFT for players

Hi, BB . I am the leader of the BRAVOS GUILD , and we have a free prize draw for all its active members which is done every 2 months.
My question/Suggestion is i would like to offer some GEMS as a PRIZE. So I think it would be a great idea if any player could purchase gems as a gift voucher/ or directly as a gift ( using the VOUCHER method for the player recieving the gift ) for example having the ability to purchase 500,1000 & 1500 gems and then giving that voucher code to another player.

THIS IS NOT A PAY TO WIN !! ( the only pay to win is for BB yourself - people investing real cash into your game ):p

THANKS
LOLLOVER

It is not going to happen, why? because of the black market and bad use for this, as for example, people will ask about gems to sell their buildings, BB already canceled this in a direct way (yes trade was with gems one day, why you think BB canceled it, also, starter packs trades in very old days).

So, -1 from my side, also, even if most players did support, this is not going to happen.

BB have tried both Gems and Prems in the past, the resulting level of trade scams forced BB to withdraw trading in these items.

u could ask that person to make a list of items they would like from shop and gift those.
I know this isnt as good as what ur hoping for but after seeing currency being sold in other games I have to agree with previous comments

Look el numpty `o`s this isnt about the ability to trade gems, but its about purchasing gems via a voucher code - so that we have the ability to gift any other player gems. I cannot see any problem with that !!! . If i wanna use my hard earned cash and help a fellow player by gifting them gems , then this should not be a problem - BB gets essential money for the game and the player recieves kind donation ..... what is wrong with that ... it cannot be exploited nor can it be used to influence others ...... its no different to you or I buying gems for our own use ...... ?????

No difference to buying the pay as you go cards that was once available at supermarkets/game shops - sort of like all the other gamecards you can buy ....

Your suggestion can indeed be taken advantage of. People will try to offer in game resources in exchange for a gem voucher code and as before there will be scams. If you have the ability to gift gems to someone, there will always be people willing to scam others to get them.

I do see your point .... its sad that we let a few silly players spoil something that could have helped lots of players ..... BB are missing out on vital revenue .... maybe if BB made it clear in there TOS or rules that gem trading is forbidden and there is no protection from them if players tempting to abuse it get scammed.

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Originally Posted by Lollover

I do see your point .... its sad that we let a few silly players spoil something that could have helped lots of players ..... BB are missing out on vital revenue .... maybe if BB made it clear in there TOS or rules that gem trading is forbidden and there is no protection from them if players tempting to abuse it get scammed.

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You obviously missed the comment that this was tried before and was a disaster, just run your guild competition with a choice of what is already giftable I'm sure most of your members will be more than happy with whatever they get.

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Originally Posted by Lollover

I do see your point .... its sad that we let a few silly players spoil something that could have helped lots of players ..... BB are missing out on vital revenue .... maybe if BB made it clear in there TOS or rules that gem trading is forbidden and there is no protection from them if players tempting to abuse it get scammed.

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It is sad indeed. Unfortunately, the ability to trade gems just invites too much of this type of behaviour. Even if it is stated in the ToS that this is forbidden, the act of scams causes enough grief and frustration even before action can be taken by the person affected, and ourselves when reported.

However, as always: never say never! :)

You guys seem to mix up ingame trading and direct buying of gems from the shop on the homepage.
First was removed from game and will not come back. Second would increase BB revenue and be a benefit to all.

Lollover, if you are determined to go through with it there might be options available already. Around here you can make a virtual debit card with a fixed limit on your banks internet page and then that can be used to buy gems. Obviously you should never give out any of your real credit card info to anyone.
Probably more convenient way is to transfer some funds on an online wallet to the prize draw winner and s/he can then buy the gems.

I still think BB are shooting themselves in the feet by not doing this ... crazy how a business can turn down real cash ... especially nowadays .... would have been so simple to put a warning prior to transaction stating that BB or UBI dont endorse trading of gems - and that any player caught doing it was in breach of the terms and conditions of the game ... And the silly players who try and buy gems thru trading have no comeback because its in breach of the rules ..... & if they complain then tough - afterall they should learn to read the rules and not try and exploit them .......

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Originally Posted by Lollover

I still think BB are shooting themselves in the feet by not doing this ... crazy how a business can turn down real cash ... especially nowadays .... would have been so simple to put a warning prior to transaction stating that BB or UBI dont endorse trading of gems - and that any player caught doing it was in breach of the terms and conditions of the game ... And the silly players who try and buy gems thru trading have no comeback because its in breach of the rules ..... & if they complain then tough - afterall they should learn to read the rules and not try and exploit them .......

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What your study? you think BB not got educated and experienced decision makers?

Anyway, look at me as for example, I was here in old times and joined game for like 5 months or so, I quit after new trade system that makes scam worst issue, BB tried to control that, they made it worst, trades like 1 fish was enough reason to get you ban, so, some players was scam and get more good unfairly, another player was getting ban for nothing, I have no idea what happened later, simply I was so upset and quit, back after 3 years of that and I'm here for 1 year and a half, because I found game become a lot better, especially with less scam around.

Scam free loots that is now, better that scam a real cash that will make you feel unsafe, so you think players will pay more for gems to get them in risk of scam or prevent this risk at all, to make players in a safer environment with restriction and limitation?

Also, usually the real cash items that giftable for games that pay to win.

This game not play to win or pay to win, it is just having fun for free or pay to get things faster, so why you want to get real cash to gift, it will not make anything special to game, it just makes not big deal at all, what you gift can be some resources, or even jolly if you want something with real cash.

And most of other buildings that you can buy with gems, can be gifted using trade unless it is restricted like recycler.

So, no point of getting things like that giftable.

Also, make premium and gems giftable directly will make gifted "free" players get advanced on another "free" players with no reason, and no benefits really.

Look at another example, low level players joined our guild, he was asking a lot of freebies, he got tons of buffs and helps wth resources, he was even so gladful, he stayed for a good time, suddenly he left guild with no words when the freebies starting to be less, can you imagine how upset as player would be if your gems went to the wrong guy like this?

Last but not least, it is not about how BB "milk" players money, it is how to get the benefit as win-win with players, it is not like Chinese pay to win games, they want to keep their business running with good amount of benefits, but players be happy in a safe area.

Finally and again, BB tried, it already was implemented, and BB experienced bad behaviors, why you think BB must return it? if BB opens the chance for all players to get gems things for free during events, what you want more, you can gift your friends or guildies the event items like eggs, pumpkins, balls, or whatever during events, if you really have an issue with this.

simply gifting gems to players will not turn this game into a pay to win .... afterall what is there to win ????? this game and your island is safe from attackers, the only way to get new stuff is to level up ...... and to get to level 75 will take a long time - even if your very active .... so completely disagree on that point entirely .....

if you got scammed in the past then i am sorry for you .... sadly whatever game you play thats online there is always going to be a element of that. What matters is that you fell for it!!! . lootspots are traded for 1 fish - .

as you stated buildings can be gifted which is correct ... but my issue is that rather then limiting them to a few buildings/buffs/deposits it would be nice to be able to gift a player some gems to help towards a goal like a champion or mma etc ... what is wrong in wanting a fellow guild member to grow .... it helps them and also helps BB with much needed profits ... server costs and developement costs are very expensive ..... look what UBISOFT did with the duel of champions game - they canned after poor financial results .... the game was sound and solid - but due to economy reasons they couldn`t afford to keep it running .... do you want this great game heading this way .... dont think so ....... all BB need to do is be strict about trading of gems .... and if a player is daft enough to try and scam or trade, then let them get banned .... players like yourself shouldn`t have gone for the cheap option and its true what they say " too good to be true " .

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Originally Posted by Lollover

simply gifting gems to players will not turn this game into a pay to win .... afterall what is there to win ????? this game and your island is safe from attackers, the only way to get new stuff is to level up ...... and to get to level 75 will take a long time - even if your very active .... so completely disagree on that point entirely .....

if you got scammed in the past then i am sorry for you .... sadly whatever game you play thats online there is always going to be a element of that. What matters is that you fell for it!!! . lootspots are traded for 1 fish - .

as you stated buildings can be gifted which is correct ... but my issue is that rather then limiting them to a few buildings/buffs/deposits it would be nice to be able to gift a player some gems to help towards a goal like a champion or mma etc ... what is wrong in wanting a fellow guild member to grow .... it helps them and also helps BB with much needed profits ... server costs and developement costs are very expensive ..... look what UBISOFT did with the duel of champions game - they canned after poor financial results .... the game was sound and solid - but due to economy reasons they couldn`t afford to keep it running .... do you want this great game heading this way .... dont think so ....... all BB need to do is be strict about trading of gems .... and if a player is daft enough to try and scam or trade, then let them get banned .... players like yourself shouldn`t have gone for the cheap option and its true what they say " too good to be true " .

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You totally not understand anything from what the points that I want to say, If it does not pay to win, so what the point from giftable gems, it just increases the chances for real money scam for nothing, and no not got scammed but I saw many many cases, and a lot of rage chat and rage quit because of this, please just read what I'm trying to say, not me who decided to cancel trade with gems....

and again, BB is a big company, they not juniors opened a company! and again, BB experienced bad uses and behaviors and losing players and for sure a lot of players quit after gems scam, why you think BB canceled it? you think BB doesn't want money? let it be, what your problem with this, they like to lose their money, is it an issue for you? :D

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Originally Posted by TheVictorious

I saw many many cases, and a lot of rage chat and rage quit because of this

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I dont understand where you get this. Was very active for a very long time and saw almost none of what you describe. A few cases a month and most turned out to be misunderstandings. Compared to other online games scamming is non-existent in TSO. One of the reasons I keep coming back.

We never really saw or heard anyone actually getting scammed back then when gems were giftable in game. In regards of scamming it was really not much different than selling an expensive loot spot or a jolly geo (which is still possible today BTW) for a fish since the gem amount per gift was so low and could be easily split in to multiple trades for a safe trade. There was a talk about in the guild chats, global trade channels and various regional forums back then. I'm not saying it did not happen but at least it was not not as rampart as was given as "excuse".

The general consensus at least on our server was more of that the option was pulled of due negatively impacting BB business model and gem sales. Maybe also had a bad impact to the game economy too. Note that the premium tokens were tradable the exact same time in the trade office where there was a zero chance of a scam. Nothing would have prevented them adding gems to trade office except the reasons mentioned he. Those premium tokens were pulled off the same time and probably for the same reason. Majority of the people saw that gems and premiums were tradable so knowing about the possibility there was really no incentive to buy em with real money except by the small minority who that took the advantage to boost their in game progress with gem purchases turned in to tokens and gem gifts.

More on topic, ages ago there were also these settlers starter packs as voucher codes which were heavily traded in game and then pulled of from the sale most likely the similar reasons or maybe the packages were too good. Some of the retailers used the exact words that the packages were pulled off from the sale by the distributor :)