Horseshoe buff

I cant understand why this 15% extra speed is not also applied to the movement when attacking camps? If all generals are affected (unlike Jog which is a singlular skill), then surely there is no reason not to speed up the attack speed as well?

It does speed up the attack speed and that was the main point of the horseshoe buffs in the first place.

it doesnt seem to speed up the walk to the attack camp, Ive just used one and it seems to travel at the same as the old speed...

I can't see any difference at all..

if it's the speed which they attack, why would you want to do that ? it could mess a block up

if all gens travel to the attack camp at the same speed, it wouldn't mess up a block, no difference to how they work now (would just be that they all walked 15% faster into those attacks)

Dont get me wrong, I can see a difference when transferring across the map and returning FROM an attack, just not the speed with which they walk into the battle...

Works for me. If you are just trying to eyeball the difference in short attacks you wont notice anything visually as the difference is so small.

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Originally Posted by dreaduk

if it's the speed which they attack, why would you want to do that ? it could mess a block up

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Not everyone use blocks or you cant block in all adventures. The speed increase might also allow new blocks. Also having it as a buff you can activate and disable it any time you want.

I believe they do walk faster to the camps, I checked on a clock and compared with my notes - the walk of combat generals through aggro zones is shorter than expected, but it was VLT with 2 blocks only, so maybe I'm wrong.

So when exactly do we get the 15% incrse in speed ?

When walking across the map ?

when sending an attack ?

or when attacks ?

It affects everything: attack, move, return. If you don't believe or think its not working just use a stop watch app from your phone to verify it. Compare the time between 2 landmark position that general passes before and after the buff.

ok i sent an attack without the buff then once he started moving, I applied the zone buff and he did speed up :)

I guess Im just used to seeing them travel faster on x3 jog across a map.

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Originally Posted by Mannerheim

Not everyone use blocks or you cant block in all adventures. The speed increase might also allow new blocks.

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It does not affect block at all, positively or negatively.

i just said it in Help Tab too, i hope they stick with this one at least, this is awesome. I was saying about [B]Jog[B] a few thousand times that they should keep the "[I]going faster to an attack[I]" but everybody wanted the "[I]safer[I]" blocks, which even disappeared in a very high amount after the [B]XP[B] boost and [B]Star Coin[B] collecting skill for [B]Generals[B] got tried out and hit the top of interests. Had to wait till more than one or two Generals had it and were [B]maxed[B] with the rest of the skills to get proven how [B]useless[B] many blocks became to a fair number of people.
Even if everybody would have sticked to max blocking everybody could still change the positions - change the flag counts - change the whole guide while they're at it? Or why the hell not simply upgrade them all the same, the exact way you want to upgrade them? Either zero speed in attacking or full speed for all Generals, or just watch out which General you use? Isn't it the same as using the un-upgraded Major with zero books on him against using the fully booked Major in an attack and losing all expensive troops?...

Anyway, just had to say it but added a spoiler below to the more direct comment on this topic.

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Now that we have this... let me guess. Too many people gonna start complaining [B]they can't get the effect of the buff in time[B] after a blocking General got hooked on the targeted Camp, or a blocking General has reached a point where now it's okay if he/she walks faster while the [B]final hit General[B] gonna be needing more speed than just the few last flags. That would make the [B]difference[B] of [B]nearly or totally impossible blocks becoming possible[B], but [B]only if[B] you apply the buff at right time. :)
You see? Since when did a buff apply in [B]real time[B]? Or at least, at any [B]predictable[B] [I](at least this one is not impossible. BB could cook something in the background for this one)[I] time at all? The [B]range[B] of the predictable time to get the effect of a buff you apply is just [B]too wide[B] to count it in on [B]tight tricky blocks[B] which most likely include [B]risks[B] of a cost quite [B]expensive[B]. Be that Barracks [B]time[B], expensive troops to build, or losing the chance to close the last few kills for the LS that has already been sold but no amount of Arrows and Assassins could finish the job in time as planned so you could be in a very very uncomfortable situation worth counting it as cost.

We just need maximum (always fair also) [B]options/opportunities[B] of playing a very [B]various type of gameplay[B] and while being [B]able[B] to completely succeed in a [B]fair rate of difference[B] from other types of gameplay. If you want to play by trading, be my guest, you'll be pushing the edge but it's your pleasure and that's good, but you can make a living (living=playing) with it, even XP is doable by loot spotting daily if you really run your trading very well. You can run production, you can run Adventures, you can mix between any of these, or include spending real money too, quite a few options to mix around, but all of them are fair enough and pay out as much as they are to be valued in this game, not too easy not too hard, everybody can do it but nobody can have too much of anything.

What i'm worried is that everybody wants more speed but too few seem to be willing to take the risks of "[B]non-pefection[B]" (fair concern that too) only for the sake of [B]monotonic comfort[B] such as not being okay with changing their guides to something much more [B]vivid[B] such as speed variation in their attacks, while every single other factor in their attacks and guides has [B]already changed[B], including even blocking positions maybe, just to make them 1-2 flags faster to get done, which the new version of [B]Jog[B] can do fairly well. But the [B]root[B] of all this is that it has [B]never required[B] to change the guides, it only [B]offers the option[B], that's the only part that ensured me of a fair opportunity if they would have done that with [B]Jog[B], but at least now we have that with a [B]buff[B], way much more limited, but [B]please[B], can we have this one at least? No matter how bad it seems it's just a [B]buff[B] that in worst case it'd cost too many resources for how much its worth for you or would simply stay out of your [B]Star Menu[B] and there you go, it's the same as you would have never skilled your [B]Generals[B] with an extra bit of the [B]old Jog[B] for just a limited time. :)

Sorry for the wall of text but tried to be as clear as possible without using any unnecessities. Happy Settling. :)

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Originally Posted by TheVictorious

It does not affect block at all, positively or negatively.

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It does affect blocks, positively.
General A starts fight (Block 1), general B walks 50 more seconds, start fight (block 2), general C walks 90 more seconds (or 40 more than gen B), starts fight (leader camp). Those 90 seconds of walk for general C, should become less than 80 seconds (with bronze horseshoe), thus "giving" you 1 extra round of blocking on camp A.

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Originally Posted by TheVictorious

It does not affect block at all, positively or negatively.

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It does and both way. For example it allows generals to pass interception zones faster while in very timed blocks the fast speed joined with send lag can make some blocks from hard to impossible.

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Originally Posted by Mannerheim

It does and both way. For example it allows generals to pass interception zones faster while in very timed blocks the fast speed joined with send lag can make some blocks from hard to impossible.

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Sorry, but that's just a myth from testserver forum.
Those blocks you're refering to wouldn't work at all if there were "send lag", regardless any horseshoe buff.

There is only one truth in this matter and to discover it you need to try it your self and see what the results are. What other players are saying in both the pro and con camps is the results of their tests. Only you have your device running your browser of choice connected via your ISP to your server.

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Originally Posted by SmurfAsH

Sorry, but that's just a myth from testserver forum.
Those blocks you're refering to wouldn't work at all if there were "send lag", regardless any horseshoe buff.

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If you are doing a multi general block that requires precise timing and delays the extra speed will of course slightly contribute to the process so its wrong to say it has no effect at all. Someone might have previously succeeded even the harder ones in bad conditions but might not with the speed buff. 15% is almost a second from 5 seconds. If a guide for example tells you to send a general when the other one is at specific position (flag) the timing has higher error margin than previously depending of course how tight the block is.

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Originally Posted by Mannerheim

If you are doing a multi general block that requires precise timing and delays the extra speed will of course slightly contribute to the process so its wrong to say it has no effect at all. Someone might have previously succeeded even the harder ones in bad conditions but might not with the speed buff. 15% is almost a second from 5 seconds. If a guide for example tells you to send a general when the other one is at specific position (flag) the timing has higher error margin than previously depending of course how tight the block is.

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That would be true IF combat round times also were affected by 15%. Here the time span is the very same and the margin are actually greater thanks to shorter time needed to pass aggro zone.

Also, it seems like you're confusing with complex multi general blocks containing intentional intercepts, but that's another deal - just some adjustments needed there.

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Originally Posted by Kris3457

It does affect blocks, positively.
General A starts fight (Block 1), general B walks 50 more seconds, start fight (block 2), general C walks 90 more seconds (or 40 more than gen B), starts fight (leader camp). Those 90 seconds of walk for general C, should become less than 80 seconds (with bronze horseshoe), thus "giving" you 1 extra round of blocking on camp A.

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Originally Posted by Mannerheim

It does and both way. For example it allows generals to pass interception zones faster while in very timed blocks the fast speed joined with send lag can make some blocks from hard to impossible.

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Actually when you send first attack, the general will walk more than the distance that he walks without buff, so as for example, if you send general A, then you went to general B, click, click attack, find camp and click on camp, the general A will be walked already 2 flags instead of 1 flag, so he will start block earlier, thats not problem because the attacker general will pass red zone faster, so, it is really does not affect the blocks at all, unless you super computer and you can send all generals with one click, then you can say the speed make blocks easier or opens more block options, add that really very few blocks options are tight like that, it is only applied to 1R blocks if it was possible anyway.

I'm so timing all* my blocks with horseshoe - I just need to know if it works (I don't play on test server).
Just did C8 + Leader 6 block in Princess (reverse order), where Major needs 64 seconds to start his fight after block starts. With horseshoe it was ca. 55 seconds.

I click to send generals at the same speed as I did before, my capacities in that matter haven't changed. While sometimes it takes indeed ca. 3-6 seconds to click, locate the target camp on the map with mouse cursor and click again, this delay was present there before. With horseshoe it means up to 1 second in some harder cases, but the walks through aggro zones - with single blocks - take usually 20-60 seconds, that's 3-9 seconds difference. And with double blocks it's really even better. You should try those double blocks on 1st Thief Final Attack that some guides have to see the difference.

* Not really "all" blocks, I'm not that crazy, just the interesting ones, where I can see the difference or have time look at the watch.

i think at best all current blocks will become "risky" for various reasons, delay while a blocking gen arrives at camp and actually engages the enemy and the classic lag being just 2 of them. i'm happy to use horseshoe on advs with no blocks and maybe wait for updated guides on advs with blocks.

your loss..

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Originally Posted by vigabrand

i think at best all current blocks will become "risky" for various reasons, delay while a blocking gen arrives at camp and actually engages the enemy and the classic lag being just 2 of them. i'm happy to use horseshoe on advs with no blocks and maybe wait for updated guides on advs with blocks.

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nope, the blocks, all blocks will stay as the same, nothing changed it is just like fast forward for everything.
I'm using bronze horseshoe and doing so tight blocks, nothing went wrong at all, everything still the same.

A bit disappointed with the speed buffs, I was hoping that you could use both horseshoe buffs to make a 35% increase in speed. Would be very useful for Ali Baba and the treasure of knowledge. 15% can't notice a difference.

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Originally Posted by neil666

A bit disappointed with the speed buffs, I was hoping that you could use both horseshoe buffs to make a 35% increase in speed. Would be very useful for Ali Baba and the treasure of knowledge. 15% can't notice a difference.

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Higher speeds will be available some time in the future as loot, with star coins and possibly gems.