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I understand nothing about the battle system, so a little advice will go a long way...
I'm using Mary for suicides and can see no other use for her. is it worth skilling Mary? atm i have juggernaut, jog and 1st aid on her. I dont want to use higher lvl books if theres not much point. are there any other uses for her? is the amount of xp she will give just not worth worrying about?
any thoughts?
Great uses in Ali's, see:
https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/...Mary-Christmas.
I used FastL, Charge, and ofc Annex & MP. Getting 300k (w prem) on YWC now.
Limited use in FT and small adv I'm afraid.
Was gonna post basically what HfoC did. Basically she doesn't repalce other generals but she can be used in some places to raise the XP total you get by a lot. I lowball estimate is 15-20k extra for no additional losses on the Alibabas, way more if you accept more Msw killed. I boosted a ToK to around 900k XP witouth prem.
Details in thread HFoC linked.
And yes it's sooo worth skilling her up as you get more camps you can attack with no losses.
To my mind it all depends how you intend to skill up your bhg class generals (BHG, Grim, Big Helm), like most high levels the majority of your usage of those types will be sac waves with only a few compatibly other camps where those generals get used to kill the camps. With Mary being readily identifiable in your star menu it makes sense to skill her up as the camp killer out of all the 200 troop carrying generals, leaving the others as the sac specialist's.
thx all, i'm sure i'm not the only 1 finds this helpful :)
As a insane test i ran BK using Mary skilled with hostile takeover, fast learner and bounty hunter. The results were 97086 XP, 338 Merc Recuits and 98 Star coins while on Prem. For the XP gained compared to say a VLT were acceptable.
Just curious how much time it takes to complete that version of BK?
About 2 hours, some of the pathing was very odd resulting in a couple of very weird intercepts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kris3457
Just a trivial question: can general Mery Christmas be used for locks/blocks like tavern generals?
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From mechanical perspective every single general can be used for blocks, but Mary (same as every single non-tavern general) is just worse than tavern ones.
Have to say all the negative info on mary had put me off but had no other use for the presents so grabbed her skilled her up and wish i had a few more of her..i hate doing adventures they have become a chore so anything that gives me more xp so less adventures is great..
because of her and i have only used her on YWC i am now getting 220612 xp plus prem thats a lovely boost for the sake of 151 recruits and 419 ms i can live with that
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couldnt agree with hades more. some other way of lvling up would be gr8, or cut out all the boring walking on gens.
instant move to new locations and back to garrison after killing a camp would maybe make the advs less tedious.
sry bb, i love settlers but the advs really are tedious
*hint**hint* ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by vigabrand
Spoiler
Big Mary doing every camp on young woodcutter. No blocks , no missed camps. MASSIVE exp.
( i now know what flanking means now ! )
http://prntscr.com/i1ysr7
yeah does depend on losses thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Grimhurst
that sounds gr8 Grim but can u post us a guide?
Its not really a guide , its more like showing whats possible. So for every camp with mary on YWC you have the possibility of getting 483k exp but the losses are equally massive ! So now its a matter of finding a balance between maximum exp/losses and speed of completion.
trying it now Grim :)
with a few pointers from Snow I'm starting to get a little understanding of the combat system.
My question is, do u get xp per unit killed or per camp? i.e. if i send a suicide wave then Mary will i get x2 xp for killing the camp, or just x2 xp for the units that Mary kills?
i hope i;ve explained my question well enuff lol, i think it may be a question for the devs!
gens get XP for what troops they kill not the camp. So using mary on suicide attacks will get u more XP. she is great to use as 1st wave instead of a 200 gen as she will kil more than a tavern gen and double ur XP. But she is also pretty good with 1 troop suicide waves as long as there is no 1st strike units in the camp. but she cant take on the stronger troops in 1 troop suicide waves like the sword masters or sword weilders. So fine for most addy but not much good on the southern isle or alli baba. Weak attack so she needs a lot of troops to kill the stronger camps. its the xp she gets that makes her worth using. even better if skilled up the same as ur big hitters.
Not a good idea to use for blocks though as her attack is better than a tavern gen so might end the attack too soon unless u adjust the troops u send with her.
She will most likely be added to the guides once the guide writers have worked out the best way to use her.
Actually the complete opposite of what is written here.Quote:
Originally Posted by cliff60
Guides for using Mary in Ali's: https://forum.thesettlersonline.com/...Mary-Christmas
It's not the fact that she has slightly better stats which is the problem, it's the fact that she is a fast general that's the problem so her rounds only last half the time of a tavern. For blocking Mary would be a even worse choice than a BHG/Log/Grim.Quote:
Originally Posted by cliff60
I'm getting good results with Mary with all cavalry or all mounted marksmen(typically MMA in FTs or MGs in Ali) - either no losses or minimal. She is skilled: 3 x juggernaut, 1st aid, jog, fast learner, unstoppable, frenzy - 2 overrun - 1 star coins. Lots of XP & coins.
Eggxactly! With my guide I get 193k XP (before prem) for 220MS & 420R do it in about 45 mins from landing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimhurst
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Has anyone found a Sim that includes Mary as an option? The ones I've seen don't have her added yet.
You can just sim with a BHG/Grim, Mary has slightly better stats, but the difference is negligible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wulfmeister
http://en.tsomaps.com/adv-calc/Quote:
Originally Posted by Wulfmeister
The only thing that differs her from BHG is that she gives 100% extra xp from what you kill, so just use this http://settlersonlinemaps.com/fastsim.php?LangCode=2 and sim with a BHG and ofc if you've skilled her add the skills you skilled her with, I have done so and it works well.
Mary has 100 hp vs 1 for BHG, Mary does 125/250 (80%) damage vs BHG 120/120. Will probably not make a difference in battle, but not the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordBosse
HP doesnt make a difference because the general is not attacked until all the players units die.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFoC
Not sure if she has splash damage as a baseline, but if she doesnt the extra damage does not give any advantage over any 120/120 general 99% of the time.
No splash dmg from the start , but maxing that skill on her seems to make a difference, not sure.
Won't make much difference no, but not entirely correct either: if general is weakest unit, it will get attacked first by flanking enemies.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkz
But with 3/3 on Juggernaut it sure does make a difference...Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkz
No. The General is always attacked last, after all troops are gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFoC
Either you're mistaken or the battle report is wrong, see screenshot. MMA killed first by flanking, MS still alive at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Areop-Enap
http://www.safeunderdark.com/img/TSO/TSO-208.jpg
It just seems that way because if you win the battle, the general miraculously revives...
Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFoC
Makes me wonder if there is some kind of inconsistency in generating the reports because back when I paid attention to them I remember with 100% certainty that even against any kind of cavalry units general was always attacked last.
This type of battle report is generated only when your entire army + general dies from the damage done by a "flanking" enemy. If you look at a report from a battle where flanking enemy didn't finish it, then they won't touch the general, just troops.