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worried about PFB. will it mess up the normal prem treats or not?
might do something with it when I can be bothered to play - calendar maybe..
the rest is... meh and nothing here I feel the need to spend flowers, erm I mean gems, on
My feeling is that this whole event is a waste of time, so I will skip it :)
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it wont mess upQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnRo79
oh great, after all the negative response from dev blog you did nothing
has the event merchant been left out on purpose?
also, how does this work? when you start an adv or when you end it?
So why is the flower farm slower by 15 minutes as last year? And why are some items in the shop more expensive as last year?
I think it works the same as scouting post, observatory, weather control and the others like it, if you start the buff before the adventure it will be active on the adventure until the adventure ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnRo79
Your wrong the cards have to be activated before you finish the adv for the bonus to work and it must be ended while there active or you wont get the extraQuote:
Originally Posted by Xadro
also no point complaining over the farm time now the time to complain was when it was on the test server with enough voices might of had a chance for it to be changed now its too late
Still a bit of a newb to the game hence I don't have a good supply of many of the adventures needed for the event ie Buccaneer, Split City, Raiding raiders etc Any chance they will be in the merchant to buy for frags, gems, coins?
do the siege is easy fast and will have a decent flower refill drop plus all the other refills can be easily soldQuote:
Originally Posted by Michaelangelo
I think I already hate this event just after reading DD due to it's huge demand for co-operation and timing. Funny that only the so called "love" event creates such a massive negative reaction in me. :)
If you have prepared for this event, saving up millions of coins or valuable goods to trade for flowers, you can buy your way through this, and get the good stuff you want.
If you not want to buy the flowers with gems, and have not stacked up coins or goods, this will be a hard one:
1. get flowers from farms (if my math is correct) - 2592 flowers on 21 days, unbuffed. If you have alarm on every 1/3 hours to place cards and grinding enough adv's to get the refills needed, around 10k flowers max possible.
2. explorers - alarm clock on there too, to send them on medium searches constantly, and you better have 50 to 70 explorers to get flowers enough. (i dont have any calculation on this, so will be only rough guessing) maybe another 10k is possible.
So, without counting trade/gem use, max flowers is approx. 20k, and if i if i want to buy all stuff in merchant (not counting petty buff effects, decorations, recipes etc.) i need 100k - 120k flowers.
hmm... let me sum it up for you, if i want to choose between 1/6 of the good stuff, i need to stay awake 24/7 for 21 days, (at least) while my kids are running around my feet, smile to my valentine wife while i tell her i'll be busy the next 3 weeks, find some time to be at work, and get time for all the other annoying Real-Life stuff that keeps popping up. This, guys.... will be a fantastic event.
maybe the wifes and kids of tso players could go on a 3 week bootcamp journey :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarvar
If you get one thing or everything from the event is more than what you started with.. why do people think they should be handed everything for no effort or toil?
they changed the flower cycles!-yeah last year was 20 min but the event was 10 days and 2 days phase 2-so 12 days compared to 21-if you do the math its the exact same amount of cycles.... 864..last year was no PFB,only love crazed which you need to micro manage. Last year no love tree which can add 3 days @22 per cycle-123 cycles @22x3=8118-2952(what snow would have given for them cycles)=5100+ just from the love tree.
They added so many new things to buy with flowers compared to last year which makes the number high and yes they changed prices but like the first line says-you get what you get for playing the game-one thing, everything...more than what you started with and was free cost wise/no real life money used...you want all and not have to work hard or smart for it then it will cost you money...
Why do people not read ?Quote:
Originally Posted by cheethamhill
The problem with this event, as stated dozens of time on these forums and the test server ones, is that its tuned the way its mathematically impossible to get the things you want wihout paying. That is, no amount of organization and effort can get you the rewards. Its simply an insultingly obvious money grab.
The irony is though, if you could save millions of any particular good, it means its value is low. And in an event like this, unless people are brain dead, its unlikely theyd be selling limited goods for regular resources you can accumulate millions of.Quote:
If you have prepared for this event, saving up millions of coins or valuable goods to trade for flowers, you can buy your way through this, and get the good stuff you want.
So even if BB assumes youd be able to get event resources via trade etc, the point they make is self defeating with how scarce the resources are.
My approach will be: Login, pick up any collectibles and send geos out to find mine, do a few lakesides and 2nd thieves to keep the fields running, send the explorers out on prolonged searches and not worry about what they bring, buy what that gives me, open the calendar and enjoy those freebies. Mostly chat and laugh and joke with guild as what difference to a few new items make? Too much focus these days on getting new generals, geos, explorers etc all for what?
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Originally Posted by sparkz
no its not..will get all before phase two starts..
Have to agree with most here, pure moneygrab, changing field times is the worse they could do, no amount of prep could get you near everything in shop like previous events no matter how many hrs you put in.
Weakening scout/explorer drops have been diminishing every event & that has something to do with the excessive scouts released in the previous year.
New players need events to build their isles and grow, that's getting tougher now unless they get their bankcard out.
Care to share your plan and the math behind this statement cause it sounds completely unrealistic? or what does your 'all' mean because it can be really subjective.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheethamhill
For getting "all" the good old items, the new items and upgrading them is around 130-170k flowers. Even if you own all the explorers in game since 2011 and have them all booked to the max and keep the flowers farms running with the best buffs (including new tree and 2 friend buffs) you can barely get half of whats being offered in shop. If you were thinking of getting the rest of the flowers by trading then Sandycove must be really special place if people are willing to trade away their flowers in such quantity's as everyone else will be buying them too.
The event will be absolutely dreadful for many people who wont bet able to run the farms with friend buff or don't have a massive army of explorers. The actions made for
the event make it seem to be clearly a cash grab push compared to all the previous events in the game history.
nothing wrong with BB winning some too now and then. any event is welcomed in my books. as long as they are bug free, it's a personal challenge for everyone.
better then doing pathfinder anyway . Keep up the good work
I would bet all the coconuts I own that his plan is essentially the same as in the race to 80, which was, most likely, buying lots of stuff and being fed by other players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mannerheim
Still the point still stands, its impossible to do that off of your own effort, especially if playing on servers with less active populations. Unless you maintain few dozens of alt accounts on the same server.
The entire point of this discussion is theyre not winning, with the amount of people straight up saying theyre not going to play the event because its unrealistic for them to get any rewards.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnRo79
When he begins to actually calculate or just write it in more detail he might realize how bad or unrealistic it actually sounds among all the other players, like if he has bunch of whales lined up to gem flowers or guildie flower farms reserved for his use.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkz
I know bunch of people do this in Halloween events and did last Valentine as it's technically not breaking any rules. Its easy to grind tons of flower refills and drop em to other farms and keep em buffed 247 while the other person just sends the produced resources. Plenty of people are already exhausted with the event spam and this event might turn even more people away.
About this fairytale ...
European English server - no flower found by explorersQuote:
In rare cases explorer might bring back resources when directly sent before the Event starts and returning after the Event started!
Czech server - all explorers found flowers
Sent +- at same time.
It is not about "rare cases". It is about implementation bug and should be fixed (doesnt matter which way).
Do chocolate arrows do extra damage to Guard Dogs/Wolves?
After all, chocolate is poisonous to canines. :)
Can someone tell me why the wiki guide says the Love tree cooldown time is 60hours (2.5days)..but when you activate it, it says 5days( 120hours)
the wiki is fan made and not by BB, so can sometimes have mistakes in itQuote:
Originally Posted by Michaelangelo
if you check the official dev diary it says 120hrs cooldown
Here is my "confession" concerning this event:
1. I have a very limited amount of time to play. As such anything co-op or group adventures are off the table. This basically excludes me from the event entirely. It's not a fault of the event itself; I'm sure you've ran your statistics and decided that alienating the portion of your playerbase that does not do any co-op or multiplayer adventures will not have any tangible repercussions and that's ok, as that is your prerogative.
2. With that out of the way, the artificial scarcity of event currency was disproportionately increased. You simply attacked on all fronts: increased price for buildings, reduced intake from explorers, farms production cycle, adv refill drops, etc. For a single player with a life outside this game, the dedication needed to achieve a half-decent amount of event currency is not a simple affair that can be done with with an hour of playtime a day, or a few hours on the weekend. I'm not saying that everyone should get everything on a silver platter with minimum effort. I'm pointing out that to get even one of the "good" rewards, like the Chocolatier, demands a consumption of your time that, to me, is extreme. The message was clear: if you want stuff and have no time, buy them with gems. Which leads me to my next point.
3. The trend of adding buildings which will need multiple years to fully come into fruition continued. And while it may seem a good marketing strategy, BB's persistent lack of disclosure concerning the end of flash, or publishing a roadmap of the solution envisioned (if there's one at all) and in what stage are you in its implementation or in any way providing your consumers with useful information sabotages that very strategy. Why invest in a multi-year plan if there's no certainty regarding the continuity of the game itself? Or, if the solutions presented are half-baked concoctions that do not work for a lot of people, what are the alternatives?
Questions like these are not hard to answer, but you've been dedicated in drowning us in murkiness instead of being transparent.
At a week into the event my guild are unimpressed by this event, earning the flowers is very difficult, only 3 flower farms available, unlike Halloween where there were 9, low amount of flowers in adventure loot got a whole 4 flowers from one adventure I did. Explorers, even those with books, bring home between 2 and 15 flowers & the worth while items in the event merchant are next to impossible to obtain. not one positive feed back from members of my guild. One of my guild member calculated that to get the 17K flowers needed for one event merchant item at the rate his explorers and adventures were returning flowers they would only need the event to run for almost 290 days. The feedback from my high lvl, motivated guild members is all negative and it was similar over the Christmas 2019 event. I understand that it shouldn't be too easy to obtain the event items and rewards, but making them next to impossible for lvl 65 players who are doing several adventures most days is going way too far in the other direction. Players loose all motivation when the goals are seen as unobtainable.
well put. could not agree more
It seems that this will be the worst event ever.
Bad design, limited time, not much flowers, less than 50% of rewards for a user that will spend much time to game.
I'm going to say something becomign bit a cliche now. Modify your expectations. You can't get everything. Noone can. In a perverted sense of justice we are now equal, people like me who could coast several past events with mountains of stuff to work off. This is how events have been last few times, and always was for those just starting out. My first Halloween I could just about get Drac and Grim working hard at it and some help. Suddenly all of us are kinda at that place. We have to pick and chose what we think will be most important. I bet I can trawl this forum and find plenty of complaints from previous years events that were too easy and had not enough stuff to get. BB has a core goal of the game to be about choices and style of play. Getting everything is not that. And having to make choices has finally hit the longer time players too. Boo. Hoo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mousemaid
And for the record, yesterday I bought 17k pack and gotten couple of the explorers before that. Now I'm thinking I want the new QM, a chocolatier or 2, maybe new explorers, not sure I need so many adv searching explorers anymore. And I'm done getting moee area buff buildings I have to have in multiple nor do I need pop buildings, water or not. Priorities, choices, what works best for me? It is a damn sight more interesting than last Xmas (2019) where I got absolutely everything and could sell huge amounts of presents to boot. I thought that one was gonna be tough but it wasn't, and Xmas bakeries are totally useless.
Yes, for the first time the ask to "get everything" is effectively impossible for most of us. So modify your expactations. Think about what do you actually need considering your playstyle and act accordingly.
Yeah no, Some people can get everything, the real old players with gigantic stockpiles of resources can get everything, whales can get everything. not so old but veteran players will get half of everything, if they min max to oblivion, newer players will get shafted.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowBlizz
If anything, we are the most inequal as ever. To pull off the "But we have more things to buy now, that's why we can't get everything" argument, the rates that we get the event resources should had been the same as last time, so the prices, but they nerfed every front.
Making events nigh impossible to fully clear while offering a easy pass with real money is literally text book 101 how to manipulate your playerbase that gacha games have been using for a decade, it shouldn't be defended, it should be pointed and shamed.
So I have 17k flowers today. I spent: 1 Prestigious Friendship Buff (Tuesday morning 11.02.2020 , 1 day Premium Saturday 15.02, 17x Love Crazed (1x workday +10 over the weekend) and 17 Love cards. I did on average 4/day The Siege adventures on workdays and 14/day on weekend (Work and daily needs keeps be busy from 6am to 5pm on weekdays). On average I got 280 flowers/day from explorers (have 40 of them). I still have 150 flowers in farms and am planning to get at least 350 by the time deactivation phase starts.
Its a stressful event with a lot of (for this game) micromanagement but you can get a lot from it.
The prices for items are overpriced (gem shop prices/event prices) and the increase for last years items was not a happy change.
Its a good thing to see we are getting new items, except for the item packs. The item packs are a disappointment if you consider the useful/inventory clutter.
why would u use love crazed buffs? if you have PFB running they dont stack so there just wastedQuote:
Originally Posted by Tomislav11
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Originally Posted by Mannerheim
shop was bought day 9- others than things that are useless like another quartermaster and silo/farm/weather station
so basically Lovetreex3 and upgraded to level; 3 x1-same with chocolatier 3 and 1,bundle,Obs,SP,5 explo's,2 Geo ,41 water mansion and 11k flowers on hand and nearly 9 days left-so not unrealistic at all.
Explorers was less than 5%-about 75% of my flowers came from selling 2500/3000 refills per day.
fed by other players LOL never took 1 item of res from anyone in this game even from level1 or have any "family accounts or trades from any other accounts"..I do it all myself.....impossible done.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkz
do it look like I need to be fed? https://prnt.sc/r640tb https://prnt.sc/r641b3 I'd show the star menu with 40mill coin,2 mill beans the list goes on..I welcome any check on my account-41 mansions paid by mainly flowers to 35/40 other players...all legit...hard work yes..impossible no...
how is this discussion dev related?
You still miss the point, and in a kind of funny way you prove it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheethamhill
It is mathematically impossible to get enough resources on your own, buying them from other players is not getting them on your own, its utilizing the resources someone else has produced.
Plus it is only viable if people actually want to sell it, which is purely coincidental - so if for instance you were playing on my server, any attempt of selling regular goods for this kind of resources would only make people laugh at you, and you wouldnt buy jack.
The reason it is even brough up is that the original point still stands - the event is such absurdly balanced that you only stand a chance of buying alot of stuff if a dozen other people dont.