Bookbinder Queue

[BobLurker]

I really don't understand what other players have to do with this... This is not a competition you know. It is about having an efficient island and an efficient Book Binder considering the slowness and costs of the books as a whole. It's okay that it is slow but it doesn't have to be flawed.

Explorers bringing Nords and BK? That's really laughable and funny that you pick those 2 specific advents considering the very low percentage they have. It's mostly Secluded and Sons and that takes a whooping 1 day (fast) or 2 days time which give no trouble.

I have been playing computer games for over 30 years - it has always been about competition. Competing with the computer, with myself and with others. It seems you are most interested in being efficient, which I referred to earlier, and that's fine, it's one of the ways Settlers set itself up, so they have to deal with the consequences. Clearly this matter aggravates you a lot, but a straw poll of my guild suggests it's low down on people's priority list. Each to their own.

The point of picking the two most valuable adventures to play was to point out how explorers can be very valuable and therefore a parallel to the bookbinder. You poured scorn on the suggestion that the two were comparable, but they clearly are. Take a moment to reconsider why you aren't at all bothered by downtime for your explorers, but you are so wound up by downtime for the bookbinder. If you're bothered by one, you ought to be bothered by the other. It's all about perspective.

[stefanceltare]

Take a moment to reconsider why you aren't at all bothered by downtime for your explorers, but you are so wound up by downtime for the bookbinder. If you're bothered by one, you ought to be bothered by the other. It's all about perspective.

You see, this new science system is a new feature coming after such a gap of content release. Is not only far from perfect, it is a waste... just look a few threads lower in this forum section. It looks to me that thought hasn't been given thoroughly to this implementation. If the implementation was not so poor maybe your guild mates would give it a higher priority.

I am only bothered because BB deliberately chose to dumb it down while also restricting my play style when it comes to this new feature. What is the point of adding in it in the first place if players are unlikely to bother with it or give it low priority, like you said about ur guild?

[BobLurker]

It looks to me that thought hasn't been given thoroughly to this implementation.

As I said earlier though, it clearly is not accidental, it is deliberate. This isn't a bug that has slipped through. It was pointed out on the test server too. It is deliberate by the devs. By all means tell them you don't like it and why, but you must see that this is not accidental.

What is the point of adding in it in the first place if players are unlikely to bother with it or give it low priority, like you said about ur guild?

You misunderstand. Having a production queue at the bookbinder is low priority, not the science system itself. You need to separate the two things.

As you can see from the relative lack of interest in this thread, this just isn't something that most players care about. Indeed, I've spent enough time on it myself now! Hope I've made things clear to you now.

[MrBranch]

Lol, two guys fighting for 13 hours straight over a good and valid game suggestion. If you don't see the fun in that, then I don't know what's funny anymore

I'm not playing games for 30 years yet, but I do know that the difference between a good game and a great game is in the details.
Since I want this to be a great game: +1

[MizMoneyPenny]

Think logically guys...... In time we may get a building cue, but i think the reason we don't atm is to slow us down, Those who are at higher levels can lvl our buildings up faster therefor make more resources that we can put into books....... by not allowing us to stack them it slows us, or we would have our geos at full lvl in no time.......

[stefanceltare]

Think logically guys...... In time we may get a building cue, but i think the reason we don't atm is to slow us down, Those who are at higher levels can lvl our buildings up faster therefor make more resources that we can put into books....... by not allowing us to stack them it slows us, or we would have our geos at full lvl in no time.......

in no time = months to a year as it is now...

[MizMoneyPenny]

Granted if we could stack them it will still take us ages, but this way they are trying to stretch us out the only way they can

[TotoMok]

Looking at the implementation of how books are made, it is extremely obvious that it was intended to not have a queuing system.
It is also obvious from this that the reason to not have a queue system is to introduce a 'lag' between book productions, thus potentially increasing the amount of time needed to build books.
The reason to increase the amount of time to build books is to make having books more precious (another reason why they can not be traded).
Having the books be more precious means that we are encouraged to put more thought into who/what we upgrade.
It can be easily inferred that the upgrading of specliasts via the skill tree is meant to be a slow, gradual thing we do with strategic care.

Those who plan, use strategy in their upgrades will best make use of the precious resource of time.
Those who are even more hardcore and are always around to pop in the next order will benefit even further.

The system looks well balanced, and looks to be working as intended. The only thing we should perhaps curb here is our 'expectation' that we should be able to upgrade 'everything' 'quickly'.

As for me, I've already determined ahead of time that upgrading will be expensive and time consuming, so am saving every book and every point as much as possible to make only critical upgrades.

(Side Note: For new players this is less an issue as they can build the books as they progress. It takes about 1 year for a new player to get to level 50 if they are playing casually, and during that time if they build books they will also have many with which to upgrade their specialists. In a way, level 50 players are '1 year behind' a new player)

[Baggis]

Seriously guys, there is no queue intentionally on the Bookbinder. It's akin to asking why we can't stack buffs or queue explorer searches. Not everything in the game is designed to be a set and forget exercise and this is just another example of a time sink of which there are many in the game. Why can we only order 2500 fishfood? Why can't we order more than 25 buffs at a time? Why can't we order more than 25 troops in one instruction? The game rewards you to login and login often, the more you're logged in the more you can catch these non-queue able activities finishing and put the building back to work. BB could design a game that plays itself but the point is, it wants you to be the one doing the work. Simply work out when you want the book to be finished by so that you're online normally at that time.

[Gerontius]

Seriously guys, there is no queue intentionally on the Bookbinder. It's akin to asking why we can't stack buffs

But when a buff runs out, the building keeps on working. It doesn't just stop.

or queue explorer searches.

Explorer searches are more regular times. eg 1 day. So if you log in about the same time each day, you'll be able to send your explorer off. The bookbinder times are really random.

Why can we only order 2500 fishfood? Why can't we order more than 25 buffs at a time? Why can't we order more than 25 troops in one instruction?

But you CAN queue multiple instances of all these things.

Simply work out when you want the book to be finished by so that you're online normally at that time.

Level 3 bookbinder takes 20 hours for a manuscript. Who logs in regularly every 20 hours? Every 24 hours maybe. Every 12 hours, maybe.

Yes a tome at level 3 takes 24 hours - great! - but at level 4 it takes 18 hours. So if you want to log in when it's ready, you need a a really weird schedule...

This is the main problem: the times have just been plucked out of thin air with no thought given to them whatsoever. If the timings on the bookbinder were more sensible, a queue would be essentially unnecessary.