Giving back the improved storehouses

[Brayarg]

I think the ban part will be dependant on how many stores certain people had (i.e the seriousness of the "crime")

I would hope that the ban part was just a scare to get a lot of people to return their ill gotten gains.

However, as a serious cash playing player, I stand by my earlier post in that I hope there will be some retribution for thiose who still took the pi$$

Agreed, my only real concern is this could actually affect people who have bought stores from the TO and played no part in the exploit. I hope there is a contingency plan for these players, I doubt it thou

[Thejollyone]

I did say earlier in the thread that the play fair thing was at fault. IMO return all or nothing.

I do however stand by my previous posts - you knew you took advantage and you must pay it back on this occasion. I admit if I knew about it I would have done what a few have done. Would I have done it to such a level? No... Maybe...

We all want free stuff, we take it to the max. But you also know at that point you do it, you are "cheating" by getting something for nothing. Would I hand it back to BB? Hell yes cos I would know I was wrong and got caught...

[Dorotheus]

The protesters are revealing a picture of themselves and it ain't a pretty one.

[padster007]

@padster007 I can't speak for others, but I know I'm not upset over having to give them back. But when faced with the threat of being banned, I have opted to use what I have to help my friends and guildies come into compliance with the recall and accept the ban for myself, if that is what BB requires of me.

My issue with the situation is the arbitrary nature of them picking this one situation over all others to enforce their "Fair Play" while ignoring others that are just as egregious and/or on-going. For example...

When Dark Brotherhood could be taken out by nukes alone, you probably knew something wasn't quite right. Did you immediately stop doing that adventure when you found the exploit, or did you continue to spam them? And when BB said "this isn't as intended," they didn't recall all Dark Brotherhood loot and threaten with bans.

When people found that they could open all the calendar doors on the first day of the event, they knew they were doing something that wasn't intended. They haven't been threatened with bans nor asked to give back their prizes. In fact, many of those people are exempt from the SH recall/ban because they "only" got 2.

Guilds openly advertise that they will kick and readmit members in order to complete guild quests more quickly, to gain more guild coins. This certainly isn't as intended, yet BB ignores it. Certainly they haven't asked for those extra coins back nor threatened bans.

And goodness knows BB is well on record as saying that blocking wasn't intended.

So why exactly do some exploits get ignored and others allowed to continue, but this particular one generates a ban?

thing is i think i found that out about the DBs with a guild member but i didnt hide it i put it straight into the trade tab for sale, so i never tried to hide the DB easy route i was open about it and put it in the open for all to see. but then again i maybe wasnt the 1st to do the easy route on a DB and they was some other sneaky players keeping it for themselves, if you think your doing no wrong then what is there to hide?

and the thing about people who kick members for not doing guild quests thats up to them if they put it in the write up when recruiting for there guild,i blame the members for not abiding by the guild owners rules as surely they can read what is expected from them

[Brayarg]

Except that BB have been sensible enough not to play the money/value/profit card. Because they know these things are worthless.

Instead, they've played the "fair play" card.

I only mentioned the lack of value of these things because other people keep on equating exploitation of this bug with theft to justify their position that BB are in the right. This is an incorrect comparison and, I repeat, not one that BB have made because they know their own policy on this.

They've gone for "fair play" because they understand that people are buying entertainment and, for those people, someone else getting that same entertainment for free sullies their enjoyment. They don't need these things back and having a few extra storehouses on the market isn't actually going to change their profits one jot, I would guess.

What they are doing, and this is the argument I failed to see until a couple of pages back, is protecting the emotional wellbeing of the people who have invested money into this game.

Any argument about cheating/stealing etc is just wrong. It's not about punishing the cheaters, it's about making the gem-buyers feel better so they keep on spending.

None of us know how much, Even most BB staff wouldn't know how much, Information could be gained from the AGM or the annual financial report, Regardless of the exact amount, This content does have a value in one way or another. Its lost future revenue than anything more.

I haven't actually seen one of these emails, So I couldn't speculate on the contents of it. But if BB said it was because of "fair play" then I guess that's true, because I have 100% faith in BB, at all times

[Splotch]

The point is that there is no reason for anyone to get upset about people who exploited the bug and obtained something that has no value.

But they do have value!

Sit two mid-twenty level players down in a room together and give one of them four improved storehouses and give the other nothing. If what you're saying is true and they are completely valueless then the player that got them wouldn't mind giving the player that didn't get them all four of the improved store houses... Would they ?

If you think that they don't have any value at all then you wont mind if you go ahead and destroy all of the ones you have and put each of them on the TO for one fish. Will you do that ? If not, why not ?

[Brayarg]

Gerontious means value outside of the game Splotch, Well I think he does anyway lol

[Splotch]

Gerontious means value outside of the game Splotch, Well I think he does anyway lol

I get that and I kind of agree in a way, but that's a given. You can't sell stuff but if it were allowed you could, that's all. There's no legitimate connection between the money in to the game and the money available to withdraw because you can't withdraw any... On that level I agree completely.

We place a value on what we own and not so much achieved as we're non-competitive but the game keeps going because of that value, things aren't completely worthless to us. I'm not interested in who got however many via whatever method as that's covered by the extensive bug collection, I'm just trying to say that things have value and it's not impossible to find it a bit annoying that some have more of one of the intended high-end item than others. Bear in mind I got an extra one, but from the start of the event - I'm not entirely clean myself although that was a genuine mistake.

Just seems to be a fairly decent amnesty considering we play for time, basically... And getting up to 5 instead of 1 of those is fair beasty, it's not worthless.

[C__C]

Look, it's human nature to try and gain advantage. Within the construct of our societies we have rules we follow (mostly) but will always try to gain advantage within these rules (most of us). Same as in the 'society' here, but this a game people, a GAME. Give back what you knowingly took outside the rules, there are other more subtle advantages to be had and gain advantage, ones that aren't so blatant. It really isn't going to hurt, not life threatening, not imprisonment bringing.

Gerontius:

What they are doing, and this is the argument I failed to see until a couple of pages back, is protecting the emotional wellbeing of the people who have invested money into this game.

Any argument about cheating/stealing etc is just wrong. It's not about punishing the cheaters, it's about making the gem-buyers feel better so they keep on spending.

Got to admit it would seem there is an element of truth there...

[thedamsel]

so at the end of the day will they ban the cheaters ? they cant force them to return the imp store house's it seems so what other choice is there ?
this is a fiasco tbh....just like the start/stop event itself