Originally Posted by
MOD_Kioco
[removed] why don't you give BB some credit for once?
This is Completely. Inappropriate.
From a plaintext player there's a decent chance it would be edited, from a MOD... seriously? " [removed] "?
Players on Sandycove were recently read as "MOD bashing" for saying effectively 'We feel MODs have a different TSO experience than we do and we would feel more comfortable having a [plaintext] player in the line of communication to speak for us.' This observation is simply true, in the same way the volunteer security team at a festival have a "different experience" than the average festival visitor, and is in no way "bashing".
Posts like this only help to cement the view of those who don't feel MODs represent them. Even among those who may agree with your point of view Kioco, I sincerely hope most of them are would object to the phrase " [removed] " being used to describe those who disagree.
Originally Posted by
MOD_Kioco
I am sorry but that is not feedback, that is just plain negative and has been for ages now.
Moderators are still players and still have opinions on the game and those that play it, nothing wrong with defending the company that provides a free game to play and giving credit where its warranted.
When people feel, right or wrong, that things are bad - Feedback will be negative. It's still Feedback. While there certainly has been ire and frustration lately there have also been some very valid reasons for those feelings. Those reasons may not always be expressed calmly but they do exist. The giving of credit when it is due is also valuable, this is also best done calmly but clearly that is not always what happens.
Worth keeping in mind; If no-one cared, or believed their input might matter, no-one would say anything. In any tone.
Moderators are still players and as such are bound by the same anti-flaming rules [plaintext] players are.
Originally Posted by
MOD_Kioco
Perhaps some of us have just had enough of the complaints aimed at BB and we're just defending them against all the negativity that's been dished out, and maybe that is the example that's needed for the game, who wants to join a game where all the forums are littered with complaints and negativity with complements and positivity is almost non existent, just because I am a MOD do I need to hold back in saying the truth?, if its not complaints about BB, its stabs at our moderation team, but we have to always sit back and take it on the chin,we are always getting flamed, so what's your thoughts on that?
Frankly, posts like these help contribute to negative [plaintext] feelings. What can easily be read as a highly defensive lashing out may be a counterpart to "taking a lot on the chin" but it is not constructive. No doubt [in colour] put up with more than the rest of us know but that is by choice and while it may be underappreciated due to lack of firsthand knowledge, repeating how difficult it is doesn't really clarify much.
Personally, I've also seen, on all three servers, people who are happy to fall over themselves to support [in yellow] and [in blue] most every time [in colour] speak. This includes people who repeatedly come out of nowhere to greet MODs and BBs whilst ignoring the "Hi everyone" of a new player. On Sandycove there is also a crossover group, I don't spend enough time on Northisle and Newfoundland to know if they have their own, one more than happy to complain at length, no doubt they feel legitimately, when they are inconvenienced yet just as quick off the mark to smack down those not of the Approved Group and others for "moaning" when those other people complain or encounter difficulties and frustrations.
Originally Posted by
MOD_Kioco
Several players have had a few little niggles here and there but things keep getting fixed, I have had only the odd occasion where a general may attack for 5-10mins, and a little lag like several other players have had, and yet they have been able to play fine, there just has to be something to complain about, as that's how some of our community in TSO act each passing day.
Several? A few? A little lag? Good for you that your game is working better than a lot of people's, so is mine. That doesn't mean everyone's is only a tad bumpy.
Originally Posted by
MOD_Kioco
Wait till the new Barrack feature is added, despite how good it will be and how much better the game will be with it, there still will be complaints and the common line that ( BB never listen to us ) yet its something coming that's been asked to be added for a long time.
People have been asking for this for a long time, and it's grand it appears to be in the pipeline. However, telling us we'll just behave badly when/if it happens is, again, not constructive. And if other things continue unimproved yes, there will still be complaints.
Originally Posted by
MOD_Kioco
I am given the same information you are given each day, we are all the same just players in a game.
Again, no. We are not all the same, you are a player and a MOD. You are not "just a player." There is a difference. Acknowledging the difference is a helpful thing, denying it is just baffling.
Originally Posted by
MOD_Kioco
I myself have played BKs, RBs, DBs and FTs with blocks etc as of late and had very little problems, same as my guild members with sharing all their lootspots, as well as friends, other mods and players, I honestly don't know why your running into these problems as often as you say you are, if the game as in that kind of state don't you think there would be 1000s of posts that the game is not playable by any standard?, the forums would be lit up with posts everywhere, when the PVP patch was deployed there was lag issues, general issues and lots of other things, but there is a noticeable improvement in the game since then, if you cant see it then I don't know what else to tell you, the last problem I ran into up until yesterday was the generals attacking a camp for 5+ minutes, I have done a few advs this morning and several loot spots and I have no longer seen that happen since yesterdays patch.
Kioco, there were a pile of posts regarding the mass confusion over the population "fix". Sandycove was told they were the screaming of the technically unsophisticated. Is it really a huge surprise people give up posting? Though again - good for you and others who've seen improvements that your games are smooth. That is not the case for everyone.
Originally Posted by
MOD_Kioco
BB has given out gifts for all the downtime, but how many thanks have they been given for that?
The gifts from BB_Santa who saved us all from the Grinch? Those, so goes the party line, were not compensation but simple random free gifts.
Originally Posted by
MOD_Kioco
There's a big different between providing feedback in a positive and mature manner and a negative one
Originally Posted by
MOD_Kioco
[removed]
This is just awkward. It would be a help to everyone if [in colour] of all ranks would take a minute out of the whole "we take it all on the chin and do everything for you people because we love this community" and actually looked at how some of the current communication difficulties and choices of phrasing affect the community. Sure, players are a handful, always will be. Being told time and again we are also obnoxious, unappreciative, not terribly clever, and responsible for a surprising number of game errors has long since proven ineffective in raising our opinions or tempering our tone.
[plaintext] players do sometimes go overboard, so do [in colour]. Perhaps it's time to try a new approach, one that might be more positive and just possibly benefit everyone.
Originally Posted by
MOD_Kioco
Hopefully with some of the improvements that's been added and being planned (barrack slider bars, building timers, RBH blueprints, school house upgradeable, economy overview, gen/exp/geos skill trees, upgrading to level 6 and all the rest that's been added or being planned) that the players are seeing results coming from their feedback.
It would be lovely if more requests were added, it would also be helpful if BB kept a firm hold of the bigger picture when changing things.
Since this seems to have got lost somewhere - People want reasons to celebrate their game, we really do.
NB Apologies for the length, I came in to do something entirely different but saw this and am really just so tired of seeing the playerbase trashed, likely as tired Kioco as you are from the other side. The other thing can wait, if I get to it at all. Communication is, currently, broken to a degree I'm not sure I've ever seen before and while I'd really like to hope it can be improved, on both sides, right now, tonight, the hurdles really do seem... immense.